₦airaland Forum

garfield1:
But you agree that the yorubas dominate 12 lgas and Nupes 4?

Lies, Kwara is not all about Nupe and Yoruba. The biggest ethnic group in the state by population is Fulani followed by Yoruba then Nupe. But when it comes to land mass it is Nupe followed by others.
Below is the local Government dominated by yoruba. I even included ifelodun that is shared with Nupe oh.
You can count it yourself

Christistruth00:
Sorry the truth pains but that is the truth the Yoruba Chief's retook Ilorin after removing the Emir in 1896.

Google Emir Momoh of Ilorin and how he was defeated.

The Emir position in Ilorin is a purely British reimposition just as they did in Makurdi and Southern Kaduna.

Liar!
The emir of Ilorin from 1896 to 14th January 1914 was Sulaymanu dan Aliyu ( a fulani).
The emir of Ilorin from 1915 to November 1919 was Shuaybu
Bawa Dan Zubayr (a fulani).
The emir of Ilorin from 17 February 1920 to June 1959 was Alhaji Abdulkadir dan Shuaybu Bawa ( a fulani).
So which years were you saying that you mysteriously defeated fulani, took over Ilorin and ruled again?
One thing you yorubas are good at is trying to change history to suit your ego. Ilorin has never fallen out of fulani hands before and it will never fall.
You yorubas just wake up one morning and make up imaginary histories of how you guys were Spartans in the ancient times forgetting that some history in Nigeria are documented. But we know you guys very well. Currently, reasonable people are beginning to doubt you guys imaginary OYO empire because you can't be a lion in the past and a chicken in the present. The yorubas we see everyday are not capable of conquering anybody, talk more of having and holding an empire

chibuzorAbia:
Chinese come with capital and real money, Igbos run out of Igbo land with their nylon bags!

Where did you see the Chinese selling fanyogo? Ndi ala!

Selling what ? But aren't you ashamed that a man came with nylon bag and make enough money to build in that your land while you sit in the gutter wailing and hating.
Guy you made me feel so proud. We make the impossible possible. We came with nylon bags and return with cars.
We are even better than the Chinese. They came with money to make more money while we came with nothing and made more money.
We too much.
Igbo Amaka! mehn

Christistruth00:
The Emir of Ilorin was soundly defeated by the Ilorin Yoruba Chief's and removed in 1896 and 1937.

When the Niger Royal Company troops took Ilorin the Balogun Yoruba was the ruler of Ilorin it was him the British fought the Emir of Ilorin had already been defeated and removed by the Ilorin Yoruba's in fact after being defeated Emir Momoh killed himself.

The reinstatement of the position of Emir of Ilorin is completely Political by the British to please the Northern Emirs Just as Okunland being in the North is a completely Political arrangement.

I am not interested in make believe history though there was never a time the yoruba Chiefs took back ilorin from the fulani, I am talking about what is on ground ie what is happening at the moment. The only thing that favours the yoruba in the emir cabinet is that each quarters in the emirate have their own paramount chief, so you guys can call the yoruba own Oba if you like.
I care less if you guys get ilorin back or not. If left for me I've never seen the ilorin yorubas complain. Infact the Emir is a blessing to them, it's not like they are part of the so called igbomina yorubas. The Emir is the reason why Ilorin is not like other yoruba cities (dilapidated structures).
Please you guys should stop sowing revised history to these people because it won't end well.
If you've been to Kwara you will know that the Fulanis there are always battle ready. You can never see a fulani in Kwara without his Dane gun or Matchet, it's their trademark there.

Yobabad:
Expect members of YMM (Yoruba Muslims Miscreants) on this thread

Better, "expect yoruba world Congress to discuss their own imaginary killing".
Haven't you noticed that these people try to do catch up with Ndigbo.
Who would have believed that a group of people that laughed at Ndigbo for ipobs March in Germany will be planning to March in Canada and they are celebrating. Speaking of shamelessness

Christistruth00:
12 out of 16 Local Govt of Kwara are Yoruba.
.Share is YORUBA with an OBA so what is your problem?

Hope Uzodima is busy selling Imo State to your enemies you are arguing over Kwara?

LOL, the Oba that answers to the Emir of Tsaragi. You make me laugh.
Do you know how many people that claim Oba in share?
Where did you make up that 12 out 16 Local Govt from anyways?
The map below shows yoruba in Kwara, and Yoruba shares ifelodun with Nupe and significant amount of ilorin east and west with fulani

Sammy07:
Kwara isn't a Yoruba name.
BUT in all Wikipedia, government sites.

you'll always see (Ipinle Kwara) not written in any other language apart from Yoruba.

even the government seal is Yoruba design

Chai see confusion. Kwara is simply the Nupe name for River Niger and Nupe and even your yoruba there are ruled by fulani which the Nupe have no problem with for now.
Now you know who has more claim to the state in general

banjo022:
this guy is an illiterate Sha. is emir of lafiagi the Paramount ruler of the nupes or Estu of Nupe?

There is a difference between this terms, "Nupe in Kwara" from "Nupe" one is used to describe part of the larger group that are trapped in a particular state known as Kwara. To stop the nonsense, the Nupe are actually seeking for their own state known as Edu state.
The paramount ruler of all Nupe is the Etsu which is also a Fulani. Even the Emirs in Kwara also go by the titla Etsu. Example, the Emir of of Lafiagi can be addressed as the Etsu Lafiagi, shonga, Etsu shonga and so on.
There are some things you can't know from the Internet alone, you have to travel for some things. So man up and leave your hut

Christistruth00:
95% of Ilorin is Yoruba. Get over it.

Even the Yorubanized Kwara Fulani speak strong Oyo dialect Yoruba and can't speak Fulfude at all.

Governor Hope Uzodima is busy selling Imo State to your enemies you better go and deal with him before it is too late , instead of belly aching over Kwara and Okunland !!!

Nothing concerns me with your okunland and Kwara. Just go and claim the whole of kwara and see what recently happened in Share repeat itself.
Mind you am having a reasonable discussion not the hate and bittered one you are accustomed to

Am I reading this right?
The same yorubas laughing at Igbos in their thread for marching in the streets of Germany for Biafran independence are celebrating their supposed March in Canada.

https://www.nairaland.com/6115513/breaking-ipob-march-through-streets

God of mercy you lots are shameless chameleons in Human form.
The worst is that Ndigbo don't care about you guys to return the hate. Take a look at this thread

Sammy07:
Oga, I've told you Lafiagi, Kaiamo, Baruten, and Pategi. are not Yoruba speaking people.
I go to kwara border very well, I left there when Benin republic began to take some of kwara lands and it led to conflict.

if fulanis are millions how many are Yorubas then?
you ain't chatting with a toddler here.

in every Yoruba town in kwara, give me the ratio or percentage of fulanis wey dey there.

I am tired of going in circles, is the map below not yoruba in Kwara? Yoruba land mass in Kwara is a little above 30% and fulanis are found in every town and most remote villages in Kwara at glaring significant numbers although their population in the yoruba axis tend to decline as you move from ilorin east to ekiti local government.
Moreover is the etymology of the state's name "Kwara" a Yoruba name?

Sammy07:
Lol, and what is the population of those in every town?

Mr. Man sacrifice 1500 and visit just Lafiagi, on your way it will be as if you wandered into 12th century middle east. You'll see more Fulanis than you have ever seen in your life, you'll see their thatched settlements, markets, and you'll see them traveling on their camels. That is just edu oh, then if you have more money visit Kaiama, baruten or simply take a cab and drive through ilorin east and west.
You people are living with millions of fulani in that kwara state if you don't know

Sammy07:
if I'm arguing based on sentiment, I won't ask you to prove.
I won't typed those towns.

I'm just asking you to prove your statement (cos I knew you agreed to the blogger) since you have also lived in kwara state.

I'm from Ondo state.
there are significant of Edos in Ondo, does the mean they are the largest?

kwara is over 2m population.
Offa and Omu aran are the next biggest towns.
fulanis don't have up to a thousand in each of them

It is clear you only stayed in the yoruba axis of Kwara state.
Guy let me shout this to your hearing; "Fulanis are in every town in Kwara state even up to Baruten, they mostly live side by side with the Nupe, they are the Emirs even in Nupe land, the emir of pategi is fulani, the emir of Lafiagi is fulani, the emir of shonga is fulani, the emir of ILORIN is also fulani and so on, all the emirs in Kwara state are fulani".
Which proof do you need again?

Sammy07:
pls stop saying nonsense.
since you stayed in kwara state for long, prove to me that Fulani are the majority in
ilorin, Offa, omu aran, oro, share, Oke Ero, Oke ode, ganmo, jebba, Ijagbo, igosun, ilemona, Ajase, Ajase IPO, isin, Erin Ile, Ipee, kere Aje, ijara Isin, Amberi, eleyoka, Ekiti kwara,


I've been to all these towns and I will lost you.
now prove to me that fulanis are the majority

LOL, I never said that Fulani are majority in every village. Just that there is significant presence of fulani in most towns and villages even in Ilorin especially ilorin east and west (they are too much there) hence the report, read it and stop arguing based on sentiments.
That is it below in case you missed it. Fulanis are majority in Kwara.



https://www.propertypro.ng/blog/kwara-state-facts-history/

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Yorubas just dey claim majority for Kwara because kwara Nupe and Fulani no dey nairaland

Sammy07:
lol, landmass doesn't equate with numbers

70-80% of kwarans speaks Yorubas

Only God knows where you got those numbers from.
This site below says otherwise, they said that Fulani is the majority in Kwara which is not far from the truth because I noticed their significant presence in every local government in Kwara.

https://www.propertypro.ng/blog/kwara-state-facts-history/



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Sammy07:
kwara is a Yoruba state only 4lgs out of 16 doesn't speak Yoruba
I'm even there currently

You mean this kwara below is a Yoruba state? The local government circled are yoruba, remember that yoruba share ifelodun with Nupe.
Forget the number of local governments yoruba have in Kwara, number doesn't equal land mass

shobroy10:
Ilorin to oshogbo 2k u must b high on something cheap and if u must know I waka pass u. Far and Wide

So you don't know. Forget the distance, transport cheap for una side if you no know

Sammy07:
Anyways, stop saying somethings you don't know, cos you didn't spend up to 15 years there.

I ignored your talked on biggest market and largest town after ilorin not being credited to Offa or omu aran

Ask anybody around. By the way have been to Gbugbu?

Sammy07:
I'm not from Offa.
I said tell me any part of kwara that speaks Hausa.
You just said Hausa residents not indigenes.

I would have burst your lies up to kwara border with Benin

OH you think I am claiming parts of Kwara for hausa . Sorry I interacted with the hausa there to know they are permanent residents not indigenes

shobroy10:
Guy abeg stop all this uve been saying since u are just saying nonsense if someone from OFFA catch u with all this trash uve been typing ur life will not remain d same. U can say alot of rubbish about kwara but remember don't mention hausa or North in the same sentence with Offa u are committing atrocity be warned. If u like say patigi hold the state Capital na u know that one. IGNORAMUS

I wonder how you yorubas manage to stay put in your houses and imagine how neighboring states and towns look like. I mean from oshogbo to Ilorin is roughly 2000 naira on a normal day but you people can't defeat the travel phobia and attempt it.
Guy ilorin dey your backyard oh, no allow foreigners dey tell you stories about her

Sammy07:
I dey kwara, Offa to be precise.
tell me any part of kwara that speaks Hausa

God of mercy, even you from offa don't know fulani lives with Nupe and the language they communicate with is Hausa and Nupe. Some Hausa are even permanent residents in Nupe villages and one thing about the Hausa residents in Nupe villages is that them and their kids speak Hausa, the Fulanis also speak Hausa with their language.
Guy travel more around your state

Coronabirus:
My lineage form a true Northernern Nigerian heritage from Fulani father born by Kanuri mother and speak Hausa language.

The fulani most times have a common attitude and approach on things like this. I can see my best friends reasoning in you, that's why I said I miss the attitude

myobjective:
Telling me about Kwara that I go more than three times a year?
Kwara is like my second home. I didn't just marry from Kwara alone, my mom is also from Ilorin. The second most populous town in Kwara after Ilorin is Offa, after Offa it is Omuoaran. Man, you know nothing about Kwara.

No part of Kwara speaks Hausa as a lingua franca. Yoruba is spoken in all the local government and 12 are poor Yorubas while 2 are baribas and 2 are Nupes.

The two Baruba local government are Baruten and Kaima. In these two local government, Yoruba is the second most widely spoken language after the language of the indigenous. While the two Nupe local government are Edu and Pategi, these two local gov't have Yoruba as their second language after Nupe.

Try again my Ipob.

Try to convince someone that has not been to Kwara. The yorubas in Kwara try to project offa as the second biggest city in Kwara but those that have been there knows better, after visiting all of them I realized that Lafiagi is actually the second biggest just that Nupe people don't like to make noice, they prefer action. And saying that yoruba is spoken in all the Local governments, you made me laugh big time. Yoruba is not even used in tsaragi that shares boundary with share talk more of the entire local governments including the almighty Lafiagi that Nupe don't joke with.
The only thing I give to the yoruba kwarans is that they are more educated than there Nupe counterparts, but when it comes to influence, don't underestimate the Nupe influence because an average Nupe man cares less of what he can gain from the yorubas but the yorubas depend on the Nupe for food which is a primary necessity, now tell me who needs to learn and speak the others language

wizzakosh:
Oga, I know igboman that travel when I see one. I bet it you never been to oyo, talkless of Kwara.

Point of correction, an Igbo man is a Voyager by birth. So there is nothing like an Igbo man that travels

wizzakosh:
Oga, I know igboman that travel when I see one. I bet it you never been to oyo, talkless of Kwara.

Have you seen me before?

geosegun:
Please what are you saying? Lingua Franca and culture is mainly Yoruba. The Hausas you meet there are mainly economic migrants from sokoto, kano and Katsina. You only travel down. I am full blooded kwarans. 80% population is Yoruba followed by Nupe. The core Ilorin are Fulani who have been fully assimilated into Yoruba culture and traditions.

Yoruba owns Kwara followed by Nupe. Pure Fulanis are less than 2%.

You are from kwara and you say yoruba make up 80%. Guy hmmm. How come Gbugbu market is the biggest market?
As for population, I can't say much on that one but land mass wise, Nupe controls more than 65%

wizzakosh:
Shut up, I put it to you that you have never been to Kwara. You are only deluding yourself which is a common trait of typical OSU man.

Speak for yourself

wizzakosh:
So what is chasing you if not poverty.

LOL. the same thing that is chasing the Chinese, more money.

myobjective:
You know nothing about Kwara.

Yoruba are the overwhelming majority in Kwara. Ilorin is a pure Yoruba town, a town where you can't do anything without the Yoruba language. A Yoruba from southwestern states like Ondo, Ekiti, Oyo and Osun easily migrate to Ilorin and marry Ilorin indigenes than even Nupe that a minority in Kwara.

My wife is an Ilorin indigene and the first time I bring she came with me to even Suleja(not core-north) she was complaining about the custom of the people and how she missed Yoruba land.

Don't get yourself deluded, Ilorin people are of pure Oyo stuck but for politics sake, some may claim northerners but that doesn't stop them from being Yoruba.

Ilorin Muslim marry Christians, tolerate their Christians neighbours, drinks and socialized like every Yoruba. Listen to Bari, listen to Saheed Osupa, Pasuma, migrate to Lagos, watch Yoruba film in huge numbers. Even Nupes in Lafiagi are been Yorubazed.

The current governor of Kwara state is an Ilorin man marries to a Lagos Christian Yoruba. The Yoruba never lost Kwara to anyone, in fact, they are gaining Nupe and baruba territory in Kwara state.

Please ask your wife again, you are confusing things here. When it comes to land mass Nupe controls up to 65 percent or more of Kwara state that I can't say for population because as an Igbo man I know what population density is and the Nupe I know tend to have sparsely populated and extremely small villages. Edu local government which is a nupe local government is the biggest local government in Kwara state and their market Gbugbu market is the biggest in the entire state followed by tsaragi market (nupe) before share which of yoruba. Nupe land produces 90 percent of the food that comes from Kwara.
As for the case of yorubanization of Lafiagi which is arguably the second biggest city in Kwara after Ilorin is a damn lie. The Nupes are extremely proud people and don't joke with their language and customs. They only cohabit with Hausas and share the same settlement with Fulanis, as for playing second fiddle to yorubas, it's a big lie. Have you forgotten the share and tsaragi conflict? Ask your wife how Nupe men trooped from Lafiagi and other Nupe towns to chase the yorubas out of share. Guy, Nupe no dey fear fight o.
The language of trade in Kwara is Nupe and Hausa. If you want to buy bags or trailer of food which Kwara state is known for, if you can't speak Nupe or Hausa nothing for you

middlebelter:
How is this argument of interest to the Okun Yorubas who are marginalised than any part of SE or SS? Look at the landmass of Okunland and compare to many states, infact it is twice the size of many. Interns of population, because of successive marginalization from various governments the citizens are spread into Kaduna, Kwara etc. Should anyone be offended that we call ourselves Yoruba or how has that changed the fact about us?

I feel your pain, but know this the guy has no grudges with okun people, he was returning the south west yorubas favour.
Me personally, I believe any group has the right to identify with people of common ideology and culture