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bashr4:
your on point ,but why worry yourself ? let them be abeg . the most ridiculous analogy ever

What was the last book u read? And when?

blackgucci:
nah. somewhere in the animal farm watching pigs walk upright, lol

You quoted urself! lol

I posited this yesterday! And I sincerely believe PDP plants those bombs to incite fear and gain sympathy! Nuff said.

blackgucci:
to constrain animal farm to the marxist era, is to frustrate the immortality of a legend. long live orwell

Jesus!

Dude, are you in the NY area?

You deserve the whole bar tonite!

DRlulu:
The HensTHE IBOS)

The hens are among the first to rebel against Napoleon: in response to their being forced to give more eggs, they destroy their eggs instead of handing them to the higher powers (the pigs), who want to sell them to humans. Napoleon then uses fear and starves them until the pigs get what they want.


The Cows: (THE NIGER DELTA)

Their milk is stolen by the pigs, who learn to milk them, and is stirred into the pigs' mash every day while the other animals are not given any such luxuries.


The Cat THE HAUSA?)

Never seen to carry out any work, the cat is absent for long periods, and is forgiven because her excuses are so convincing and she "purred so affectionately that is was impossible not to believe in her good intentions".[12] She has no interest in the politics of the farm, and the only time she is recorded as having participated in an election she was found to have actually "voted on both sides".[12]



THE WORST INTERPRETATION EVER , YOU OBVIOUSLY DONT KNOW HOW THINGS RUN IN NIGERIA.


AND ITS IGBO NOT IBO

Whether its Ibo or Igbo is the only thing u could pick out from all of this. . . . ?

Wow! Still a lotta work to be done, I guess.

SEFAGO:
Actually cap28, I could analyze the works of Marx, Plato, Machiavelli at age 2. Just because you were sucking your thumb at that age does not mean all of us should.

Roflmao!!!

spade:
But seriously guys, why all the bickering? No, the body of analogies ain't perfect, but I don't remember the OP ever claiming it was.
If I'm to be honest with you, I thoroughly enjoyed reading it, because most of the elements rang quite true.
I see no reason why this should generate so much bitterness and rage between the TXT Warlords we have in here.

Yeesh! You guys take the internet waaaayyy too seriously.

Now we can "lmao" together. . . . .  lol

^^^All I can say for the likes of Wesley and PapaBrowne is:WOW!!!

Poverty is a bityych!

spade:
LMAO!!!!!

No need to "LMAO"!

Hes used that same weak line for almost two years, surprisingly, BEFORE YOU NOONE HAS EVER PAID THAT LINE ANYMIND. Dare I say "Like-minds"?!

And ure in Nigeria where the lights could go out at anytime. . . . Dont you think u'll be doing yourself, and ur nation, some justice by  using the 3 hrs/week electricity you get to read up on things that could benefit you/her instead of cackling around like a Jackal?!

[quote author=tpiah! link=topic=616372.msg7853709#msg7853709 date=1299369521]maybe because specific names were mentioned?[/quote]Nope! Its just the way of man!

They'll fight just for the fxcuk of it!

cap28:
bkbabe you are not intellectually equipped to analyse or discuss animal farm because you have no understanding or knowledge of world history, do you know anything about marxist leninism? No

do you know anything about the russian revolution? No

do you know anything about trotskyism versus stalinism? no

how then can anyone in their right mind have a meaningful discussion with you about the book?

If you have not understood the book (which i know  you have never read) where is your analysis coming from, where is your well thought out argument coming from?

let me guess - OUT OF YOUR BACKSIDE - lets face it man you are an anti- intellectual philistine - go and look it up cos i know you don't know what it means.

ROFLMAO!!!

Dude, u have a score to settle, Me v Cap28. . . and once again YOUVE FAILED!!!

Again, you succeeded in looking like a mo>ron! So, I guess we'll be fighting forever, cus u'll always try to get even and I'll always crush u!

Know what? Show ur mother ur posts (dont tell her u wrote them), the ASK HER WHAT SHE THINKS OF THE AUTHOR.

Dont kill urself afterwards. . . . actually if u can, do so. U'll be doing ur part for mankind!

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=616372.msg7853665#msg7853665 date=1299368951]Did anyone read the title on the front page? Ouch!!
Mukina was having her laugh with this one lol
Naughty gyal![/quote]Oh, yeah I did see it!

Lol.

You do know in life, imbe*ciles have to exist for intellectuals to flourish?

So, no surprises there. . . . .

[quote author=EzeUche_ link=topic=616372.msg7853600#msg7853600 date=1299367989]^^^

What is your problem with correcting others in how they write in English?[/quote]Freaking hypocrite!

Were you blind to the below. . . . .?

cap28:
You are an example of why it is important for people to stay in school, first of all you have the reading and comprehension ability of a 2 year old , therefore to attempt to even discuss and analyse a work as complex as animal farm is like expecting a mentally handicapped 2 year old to analyse Das Kapital, YOU ARE A FUNCTIONAL ILLITERATE, LEAVE INTELLECTUAL DISCUSSIONS TO YOUR BETTERS AND CONCENTRATE ON WHAT YOU KNOW BEST GANGSTA RAP AND GANG BANGING.

Yup! He hits me but I shouldnt reply!

Reminds me of some people's take on the events of Jan.'66!

Yes, I think the society is too harsh on him.

Here in the United States we honor anyone that embezzles over $100million of govt. funds with an Ambassadorial post!

In England I hear you get Knighted!

Idiotas. . . . .!!!!

[quote author=EzeUche_ link=topic=616372.msg7853600#msg7853600 date=1299367989]^^^

What is your problem with correcting others in how they write in English?

You are not someone who is known to use "proper" English so get out of here with that nonsense.

And for most people on Nairaland, English is not our first language.[/quote]I guess its safe to say the "Sheep" have come out!

". . . .they'll fight what they dont know. Shout down others just because they feel they are required to"

Who says Animal Farm does not fit into the life of Nigerians?!

cap28:
You are an example of why it is important for people to stay in school, first of all you have the reading and comprehension ability of a 2 year old , therefore to attempt to even discuss and analyse a work as complex as animal farm is like expecting a mentally handicapped 2 year old to analyse Das Kapital, YOU ARE A FUNCTIONAL ILLITERATE, LEAVE INTELLECTUAL DISCUSSIONS TO YOUR BETTERS AND CONCENTRATE ON WHAT YOU KNOW BEST GANGSTA RAP AND GANG BANGING.

And you, the literate Phd holder, cannot even write a proper sentence!

Why are your commas misplaced? Ive never seen so many commas in one sentence; EVER!!!

Where are your full stops?

How come your apostrophe went on an unscheduled hiatus?

Man, get the fuxck outta here. . . . .

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=616372.msg7853554#msg7853554 date=1299367453]This in a nutshell is why the Animal Farm analogy is so apt.[/quote]On some real ish, if EzeUche, cap28, and Drlulu are the likes of those who we hope will make Nigeria, and the black race, great. . . . I think we'll be waiting for eternity!

cap28:
first of all a literary work can only have a universal appeal if it deals with basic themes which apply to ALL people irrespective of race, culture language etc for example themes like, love, courage, hatred, greed.
.

So, Corruption, Greed, Nepotism, tribalism, abuse of power, violation of human rights (all of which the book discusses) do not fit into this "theme" of urs?

Man, go kill urself. . . .

You just, annoyingly, always try to prove your intelligence, but always end up sounding like a nutcase!

cap28:
Yes i would agree with you on that because you are the living embodiment of it.

first of all a literary work can only have a universal appeal if it deals with basic themes which apply to ALL people irrespective of race, culture language etc for example themes like, love, courage, hatred, greed.

Animal Farm does not fit into that mode it is a thinly disguised account of Stalin's brutal dictatorial regime  - it deals with a specific issue - the failure of marxism.

Wooow!

Anyways, dude, we hear you!

Youre Intelligent!

Youre the big kahuna!

Youre the only one that understands the book and only your analogies rule. . . .

COULD YOU PLEASE NOW LEAVE THIS THREAD FOR US TO DISCUSS ISSUES? YOU CAN START A SEPERATE ONE ON "LITERARY WORK" IF YOU SO WISH!

Geez!

SEFAGO:
True My bad. But the framework for that corruption was that of communism while that for Nigeria is a mixture of other things one of them being the exploitation of ethnocentrism and religious fanaticism.

Yeah, but my view is that, like Animal Farm, Nigeria is being run by a cabal that are no different from the one they fought out of power! Indeed, in Nigeria's case, they chased themselves "Out into" Power! Get it?

They all pretend they chased the military out, but in reality, all they did was discard the Military Uniform for civilian clothing; just like the pigs. Corruption reigns, absolutely! Theres utter inequality! Tribalism (Dogs, Pigs and Man on one side, the sheep, hens, horses and co on the other. Even the birds are marginalized by both groups). . . . If the rest of these dudes are so blind and immature that they cant open up they minds to "see" and make up analogies for themselves. . . . . I can only say, maybe we do like GEJ and pray to God cause hope seems to be fading fast!

DRlulu:
flawed indeed unless its just for fun.

No! Not fun at all!

Open ur damn mind!!!

cap28:
Buhari as Trotsky (snowball) - i dont think so - in as much as Buhari may be less corrupt than the likes of GEJ, obj and co he[b] has never sought to overthrow the ruling elite[/b] and is not a revolutionary, that makes him a member of the ruling elite.

1. If Gen.Buhari has "never sought to overthrow the ruling elite", what do you call his '83 coup?

2. You say he's a "member of the ruling elite", is that in dispute? What was Snowball? What are the Pigs? Did I not label all of them, good or bad (depending on ur views), as members of the ruling elite?

I really hope you dont think of reproducing in the future!

SEFAGO:
Low IQ is definitely a major problem in Nigeria  

@cap28
There is something in literauture called universalism of a body of work. This universalism indicates that some works are so timeless that they could find application and meaning to any society and to any time. Animal farm is one of those books. When drawing an analogy it is not required that the characters should be fit for fit in characteristics, I think its fairly ok, if there are some general similarities in the characteristics and ideologies of constructed character parallels.

The fact that most people are seeking a match for match parallel between the book (one written to satire communism) and the Nigerian situation (one of deep rot and corruption) is quite to put it bluntly daft.

And, dont forget that the underlying theme of the book was also corruption!

cap28:
the idea that Awolowo could be compared to Karl Marx (old major ) is beyond ridiculous, what was his ideology?  
Is there such a thing as Awoism, i would welcome a defintion of what it is.

GEJ as Stalin (Napoleon)  probably if you were living in a parallel universe - GEJ is a puppet and a servant of neo liberal capitalism - how then can he be compared to a socialist revolutionary (Stalin)  

Buhari as Trotsky (snowball) - i dont think so - in as much as Buhari may be less corrupt than the likes of GEJ, obj and co he has never sought to overthrow the ruling elite and is not a revolutionary, that makes him a member of the ruling elite.

If ever anyone were to be compared to Trotsky it shuld be Major Chukwuma Kaduna Nzeogwu - like Trotsky he was intelligent, articulate, innovative but an IDEALIST,   traits shared by Trotsky.

perhaps the only comparison that might be halfway accurate would be that of squealer and the nigerian media who lie, bamboozle and mislead the nigerian people with propaganda and fake stories.

Wow! Some folks will do whateva in a desperate bid to sound intelligent!

I ignored him the first time but like a maggot in a pit full of feces he still had to rear his head!

Okay lets play a lil game:

IF URE ON TWITTER, FOLLOW:

@GBAGAUNDETECTOR!!!


Lol. This should be fun!

kasiem:
Yorubas can go plunge into an abyss, we dont care, what we know is that we are greater than them in all ramifications. Or if they like, they can stir up a mayhem and we will show what we've been showing the garrulous hausas

So, u cant wait to take another human's life just because he's from a different tribe than urs?

Alj Uche:
bk/babe you are the best

good story, good analysis but i do not like you refering to us a cat

Thanks Alj.Harem, um, my bad, Uche!

I referred to yall as the cat cus, c'me on, arent the Hausas the "pretty things that seat around purring doing nothin" ?

lol. Seriously tho, I did my best not to denigrate any tribe in my post. Glad u liked it tho!

Aigbofa:
That's right. That is how popular you've become. Except with some ibos of course.

Lol. . . .

[quote author=EzeUche_ link=topic=616372.msg7853192#msg7853192 date=1299363790]Flawed Attempt To Equate Nigeria With Animal Farm

Well at least[b] I am not only one [/b]who thinks this is a flawed attempt.[/quote]You think there was only one sheep in the book?

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=616372.msg7853025#msg7853025 date=1299362187]Tinubu isn't/wasn't a drug dealer. Money launderer of drug money, yes.[/quote]Dude, Tinubu was a drug-dealer!Major one too!


p.s: I feel like putting up my twitter name on here. see me get like 20,000 hits in 5 mins!!! lol

I hope they listen to u.

[quote author=EzeUche_ link=topic=616372.msg7852975#msg7852975 date=1299361654]Now it is time for me to attack it from point to point.[/quote]No, what u need to do is attack your brain by pointing a Ruger to your head and squeezing the trigger.

[quote author=EzeUche_ link=topic=616372.msg7852920#msg7852920 date=1299361016]. You can't even compare Animal Farm with Nigeria.[/quote]Right! What should i have compared it to? "Venice:The City"?!

Yup, the beautiful, utopian Nigerian society only you live in in ur head!