To compare Old Major with Awolowo is laughable. That is where you went wrong. Herbert Macaulay would have been a better pick since he had a vision of a united Nigeria. The same goes for Nnamdi Azikiwe. Awolowo was simply a tribalist who only cared about his own region.

At least Old Major had a vision of a socialist utopia. What vision did Awolowo have? To starve innocent Igbos or the vision to care about only his people and not Nigeria as a whole?

[img]http://ochiogbuaku.files./2009/10/herbert_macaulay.jpg[/img]

9ijaMan:

@EzeUche,
I thought you were warned not to contribute. I implored you to simply what others are contributing. See how you come expose you demeaning level of ignorance. Are you sure you are actually responding to the contributions made on this thread! Shoo shoo. . . go away. Go look for kiddies like you in other threads.

You are probably someone who hasn't even read the book. As I said, I am going to refute this analogy, because it is a silly analogy.

If you haven't read the book, you can't comment. Understand?

EzeUche_:


Where is the naive working class that is found in Animal Farm?
Last time I checked, Nigeria's unemployment is very high. The Nigerian populace has not been put to work, like what is found in Animal Farm or Soviet Russia.

Nigeria gains most of its wealth from oil. Making the country rely on "rents."

People like you who live their lives oblivious to the damage being done to the country by the ruling class. People who sell their votes for a bag of rice.

Aigbofa:

People like you who live their lives oblivious to the damage being done to the country by the ruling class. People who sell their votes for a bag of rice.

My people already know the damage that was done to this country. Why do you think we Igbos do not give a damn about this country? Sorry, but speak for yourself.

We are actually laughing at you all. It took you all this long to realize that?

Aigbofa:

People like you who live their lives oblivious to the damage being done to the country by the ruling class. People who sell their votes for a bag of rice.

You are talking to a 20 yr old college student who most likely has never lived in Nigeria, let alone work hard for money.


Its best to ignore him. His level of ignorance is becoming ridiculous.

EzeUche_:

[s]To compare Old Major with Awolowo is laughable. That is where you went wrong. Herbert Macaulay would have been a better pick since he had a vision of a united Nigeria. The same goes for Nnamdi Azikiwe. Awolowo was simply a tribalist who only cared about his own region.

At least Old Major had a vision of a socialist utopia. What vision did Awolowo have? To starve innocent Igbos or the vision to care about only his people and not Nigeria as a whole?[/s]

[img]http://ochiogbuaku.files./2009/10/herbert_macaulay.jpg[/img]

Just so you know, the crap you typed up there is wrong.

You may need to ask your parents for the true picture of things. Just a piece of advice for your tiny whiny brain.

Please, dont bother to reply my post, I dont have time for your childish behavior.

fstranger

You are a fool .

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TO COMPARE ANIMAL FARM WITH NIGERIA IS LAUGHABLE.

You people have no sense of world history.

To compare a Communist revolution with Nigeria? That is laughable. To compare a socialist society with a ultra-capitalist society? That is laughable.

I am dying of laughter.  This is too funny.

EzeUche_:

My people already know the damage that was done to this country. Why do you think we Igbos do not give a damn about this country? Sorry, but speak for yourself.

We are actually laughing at you all. It took you all this long to realize that?

is that the same ibos who are asking for the presidency?

fstranger what kind of bush college did you go to?

I am not even sure if bk.babe went to college. To try and use this analogy.

To understand the novel, you have to understand George Orwell's hatred for Communism.

sbeezy8:

is that the same ibos who are asking for the presidency?

Just a misguided few. The average Igbo could care less about Nigeria and its political system.

Only a fool would think just because a member of your group is elected, means there will be development for you region. What did OBJ do for the South-West?

EzeUche_:

You are probably someone who hasn't even read the book. As I said, I am going to refute this analogy, because it is a silly analogy.

If you haven't read the book, you can't comment. Understand?

why are you here gan sef ?   Liars have no credibility.

Eko Ile:

why are you here gan sef ?   Liars have no credibility.

And bigots like yourself should commit seppuku.

bk.babe97y:

Thanks man!

On the "I SPOKE TO THE MOST INTELLIGENT NIGERIAN. . . . ."  topic,lol, what can I say? Lol. But, really, if that thread wasnt hijacked I would have shown (based on the discussion with the Ibo taxi driver) why I felt most of what Beaf was preaching at the time was "right". In hindsight, I'm happy the usual fights occurred before the thread could become meaningful because I now see that GEJ is the worst thing that can/might happen to Nigeria! Dude is a basket case!

As per the characters (okay lemme explain this is as best as I can), I believe, in Napoleon, you'll find little bits of every Nigerian thas has ever led the country. Notice that I made Old Major into Mr.Awolowo---- bottom-line the pigs are the elite, the rich, the ones dividing up the national pie amongst themselves etc whether you feel your man/their man  fought/fights for good or not; its now up to you to see the bottom-line: THE WAR IS BETWEEN THE RICH AND THE POOR; NOT TRIBES, RELIGION OR RACE!!! Its between those that will push a $350,000 Rolls Royce while the average Nigerian probably wont ever save enough to buy a steering wheel even if he lived to be 95yrs old, to talk of even buying a BRAND NEW car fresh off the lot!

So, seeing this, why would anyone vote in a man that has been the number two, then number one, in a govt that cannot provide electricity or a safe enough environment that is conducive for business. . . . business that would uplift the welfare of his people? How can you live seeing you people starve? Suffering?! I can just imagine (and I'm pretty sure my imagination is 900000000000000000000000000000000000000000 milder than the reality on ground!) a society with no electricity; HOW THE FUXCK AM I SUPPOSED TO FUNCTION??! Schools? Hospitals? Street Lights? Offices? No electricity in all those places? Are you fucxking kidding me? Then no drugs in the hospital! No books! Jesus! I watch the African Channel all the time and everytime the show focuses on Nigeria I'm just so disgusted! Then you see people on NL and other sites hailing incompetents like GEJ just because he's from their village? Are you kidding me?!

Ive read on all the aspirants and the only sane vote should be to Gen.Buhari. He has shown his hands at least three times, why cant Nigerians fuxcking see this?He had the chance to become a billionaire, probably, 5 times over in more than 30yrs but this man chose integrity and love of mother-land over anything else! Rumors have been spread about him being a religious fanatic; he has repeatedly refuted them. His household---even is wife---- is said to include christians, he chose a christian as running mate; A FREAKING PREACHER, what more is he supposed to do to show that he is not a religious fanatic as being falsely spread?! Maybe he needs to appeal to God to send down Jesus to campaign on his behalf!!!

He abhors corruption, he has shown he wont bow down to the west if it means his people will be trampled upon. What more do Nigerians want?!

Mr. Ribadu is another terrible choice. He cavorts with the same criminals supporting GEJ. Gen.Obasanjo is his puppeteer; he'll never prosecute him. GEJ pardoned him; will he ever prosecute him? His sponsor is a known major drug dealer, is he going to send him off to jail? For these reasons I believe he's just a pawn and he doesnt know it. GEJ, OBJ and co brought him back to Africa in order to split the votes in the North while I believe Mr.Bola Tinubu is using him in the same capacity---- and also to use him as a bargaining chip with Gen.Buhari since this election might very well be settled via a Run-Off.

Anyways, thats how I saw the characters in the book, and thats my stance for now. Like I said though, you can decide who is who in the book; depending on your outlook of events currently occurring in your country.

Yes, GEJ deserves to be Napoleon in my depiction; he's "quiet but has a way of forcefully and deceitfully getting his way" doesnt he?! Yup, GEJ is Napoleon!

Beautiful Analysis Akogun Ibukun.

It is the reason why I support Buhari-Bakare Ticket.

eku_bear:

Nigerians are religious and ethnic bigots. Many southern Nigerians will never vote for Buhari in 1 million years, because he is a Muslim Fulani.

I think religion is now playing less and less role in Southern politics, is now more about people.

Most Southerners are just tired of the personalties the North kept throwing up for leadership

When Southerners find a courageous, transparent and intelligent  Northern leader, they will support him

EzeUche_:

Just a misguided few. The average Igbo could care less about Nigeria and its political system.  

Only a fool would think just because a member of your group is elected, means there will be development for you region. What did OBJ do for the South-West?

Come to the SW and see it for yourself. I will personally take you on a tour of Ogun-State, if you are really serious about finding the truth.

bk/babe you are the best

good story, good analysis but i do not like you refering to us a cat

EzeUche_:

fstranger what kind of bush college did you go to?

I am not even sure if bk.babe went to college. To try and use this analogy.

To understand the novel, you have to understand George Orwell's hatred for Communism.

If George Orwell was only as smart as you are, he probably would have said to himself; Animals can't govern themselves, therefore there's no point comparing them with any notion of self government.
Why is it so far fetched for you to compare Nigeria with The Animal Farm.

analogy (e-nàl´e-jê) noun
plural analogies
Abbr. anal.
1. a. Similarity in some respects between things that are otherwise dissimilar. b. A comparison based on such similarity. See synonyms at likeness.

EzeUche_:

To compare Old Major with Awolowo is laughable. That is where you went wrong. Herbert Macaulay would have been a better pick since he had a vision of a united Nigeria. The same goes for Nnamdi Azikiwe. Awolowo was simply a tribalist who only cared about his own region.

At least Old Major had a vision of a socialist utopia. What vision did Awolowo have? To starve innocent Igbos or the vision to care about only his people and not Nigeria as a whole?

[img]http://ochiogbuaku.files./2009/10/herbert_macaulay.jpg[/img]

guy what do you know

first of all herbert was a yoruba man although he was been british

secondly awolowo is one of the greatest men that even lived whether you like it or not

go and ask even white people adimtted to it

a great man who's name will live on so long as there are humans on earth

if you no like am go jump for lake chad

Old Major: (MR. AWOLOWO)
what revolution did Awo inspire? to my knowledge we haven't really had a revolution in this country

NapoleonGEJ)
interpretation of napoleon sounds more like OBJ; he seems more in control of things than GEJ, besides i don't see GEJ as autocratic, i think he's just been lucky

Snowball: (Gen.BUHARI), Mr. Jones: (THE NIGERIAN MILITARY)
if mr Jones is the military then how is Buhari snowball seeing that he was part of the military when he ruled the country
In fact if Buhari's snowball then IBB would have to be Napoleon and therefore the military can't be Mr Jones

personally don't think nigeria quite fits into the mould of animal farm

Flawed Attempt To Equate Nigeria With Animal Farm

Well at least I am not only one who thinks this is a flawed attempt. Look at the front page if you don't believe me. Either way, as I said before, it was a nice try though.

EzeUche_:

Flawed Attempt To Equate Nigeria With Animal Farm

Well at least I am not only one who thinks this is a flawed attempt. Look at the front page if you don't believe me. Either way, as I said before, it was a nice try though.

analogy (e-nàl´e-jê) noun
plural analogies
Abbr. anal.
1. a. Similarity in some respects between things that are otherwise dissimilar. b. A comparison based on such similarity. See synonyms at likeness.

eku_bear:

Tinubu isn't/wasn't a drug dealer. Money launderer of drug money, yes.

Dude, Tinubu was a drug-dealer!Major one too!


p.s: I feel like putting up my twitter name on here. see me get like 20,000 hits in 5 mins!!! lol

bk.babe97y:

Dude, Tinubu was a drug-dealer! I could regale you with stories about New York, Chicago, Florida. . . . True, most of them are "hear-says"; but some hearsays are weightier than other hearsays!

Besides due to my former job I was privy to a lot of info i.e interrogation reports ect. . . . . I was gonna post, a while ago, a topic on how I KNOW the occupation of alot of Nigerian businessmen is nothing more than narcotics distribution. Each time I tried posting it, my account got banned cause the site thought it was spam! Maybe some other time tho.

Besides, I know quite a few Nigerians. Dont forget Ive been rolling with them all my life. From your Indimis, to your Gwadabes, Tukurs , Nwafors, Hassans and Babalolas. . . . I know your elite. Ive stated this in the past. Even your Dokpesis. . . . .

My point is not to boast about who my family knows, my point is Ive heard and seen much that you might never be privy to, who's involved in what, and all Ive come to know is that Nigeria is in a complete, total, bleeping rot, and its needs some deep cleansing before sanity can return and there's only ONE duo that can pull it off: BUHARI/BAKARE!!!

Theres a few folks Mr.Tinubu was rolling with that I'm pretty sure if I mentioned they names--- even if you didnt know them--- youd know someone that has heard of them and what they were involved in. My boy is not picking up his phone any longer (he helps me with the proper spellings of the names); as soon as he picks up I'll probably do a lil "snitching" for your delight! Maybe not tho. . . . .

Anyways, Mr.Tinubu was a dope dealer! Major one too!


p.s: I feel like putting up my twitter name on here. see me get like 20,000 hits in 5 mins!!! lol

That's right. That is how popular you've become. Except with some ibos of course.

EzeUche_:

Flawed Attempt To Equate Nigeria With Animal Farm

Well at least[b] I am not only one [/b]who thinks this is a flawed attempt.

You think there was only one sheep in the book?

bk.babe97y:

You think there was only one sheep in the book?

LOL Zing!

Aigbofa:

That's right. That is how popular you've become. Except with some ibos of course.

Lol. . . .

Alj Uche:

bk/babe you are the best

good story, good analysis but i do not like you refering to us a cat

Thanks Alj.Harem, um, my bad, Uche!

I referred to yall as the cat cus, c'me on, arent the Hausas the "pretty things that seat around purring doing nothin" ?

lol. Seriously tho, I did my best not to denigrate any tribe in my post. Glad u liked it tho!

bk.babe97y:

Thanks Alj.Harem, um, my bad, Uche!

I referred to yall as the cat cus, c'me on, arent the Hausas the "pretty things that seat around purring doing nothin" ?
lol. Seriously tho, I did my best not to denigrate any tribe in my post. Glad u liked it tho!

LOL

Another remarkable thing about cats; They sit quietly, pretending like they are not paying any attention, it's a lie. They pay a lot of attention.

the idea that Awolowo could be compared to Karl Marx (old major ) is beyond ridiculous, what was his ideology?  
Is there such a thing as Awoism, i would welcome a defintion of what it is.

GEJ as Stalin (Napoleon)  probably if you were living in a parallel universe - GEJ is a puppet and a servant of neo liberal capitalism - how then can he be compared to a socialist revolutionary (Stalin)  

Buhari as Trotsky (snowball) - i dont think so - in as much as Buhari may be less corrupt than the likes of GEJ, obj and co he has never sought to overthrow the ruling elite and is not a revolutionary, that makes him a member of the ruling elite.

If ever anyone were to be compared to Trotsky it shuld be Major Chukwuma Kaduna Nzeogwu - like Trotsky he was intelligent, articulate, innovative but an IDEALIST,   traits shared by Trotsky.

perhaps the only comparison that might be halfway accurate would be that of squealer and the nigerian media who lie, bamboozle and mislead the nigerian people with propaganda and fake stories.

Okay lets play a lil game:

IF URE ON TWITTER, FOLLOW:

@GBAGAUNDETECTOR!!!


Lol. This should be fun!

cap28:

the idea that Awolowo could be compared to Karl Marx (old major ) is beyond ridiculous, what was his ideology?  
Is there such a thing as Awoism, i would welcome a defintion of what it is.

GEJ as Stalin (Napoleon)  probably if you were living in a parallel universe - GEJ is a puppet and a servant of neo liberal capitalism - how then can he be compared to a socialist revolutionary (Stalin)  

Buhari as Trotsky (snowball) - i dont think so - in as much as Buhari may be less corrupt than the likes of GEJ, obj and co he has never sought to overthrow the ruling elite and is not a revolutionary, that makes him a member of the ruling elite.

If ever anyone were to be compared to Trotsky it shuld be Major Chukwuma Kaduna Nzeogwu - like Trotsky he was intelligent, articulate, innovative but an IDEALIST,   traits shared by Trotsky.

perhaps the only comparison that might be halfway accurate would be that of squealer and the nigerian media who lie, bamboozle and mislead the nigerian people with propaganda and fake stories.

Wow! Some folks will do whateva in a desperate bid to sound intelligent!

I ignored him the first time but like a maggot in a pit full of feces he still had to rear his head!

Low IQ is definitely a major problem in Nigeria  

@cap28
There is something in literauture called universalism of a body of work. This universalism indicates that some works are so timeless that they could find application and meaning to any society and to any time. Animal farm is one of those books. When drawing an analogy it is not required that the characters should be fit for fit in characteristics, I think its fairly ok, if there are some general similarities in the characteristics and ideologies of constructed character parallels.

The fact that most people are seeking a match for match parallel between the book (one written to satire communism) and the Nigerian situation (one of deep rot and corruption) is quite to put it bluntly daft.

SEFAGO:

Low IQ is definitely a major problem in Nigeria  

@cap28
There is something in literauture called universalism of a body of work. This universalism indicates that some works are so timeless that they could find application and meaning to any society and to any time. Animal farm is one of those books. When drawing an analogy it is not required that the characters should be fit for fit in characteristics, I think its fairly ok, if there are some general similarities in the characteristics and ideologies of constructed character parallels.

The fact that most people are seeking a match for match parallel between the book (one written to satire communism) and the Nigerian situation (one of deep rot and corruption) is quite to put it bluntly daft.

And, dont forget that the underlying theme of the book was also corruption!