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djon78:
The reason he will be judged according to his conscience was because he did not hear about Jesus

So God being a God of justice judges him based on moral code like did he kill, commit adultery, steal etc.


But for those that heard of Jesus, God judges them based on Jesus, that is why Romans 8 vs 1 says that there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus

So if my ancestors partook in killing of twins, they will go to heaven.

After all killing of twins was a moral code in that society.
Those who did it saw nothing wrong in it.
It was practice to purge the society of evil and please the gods.

djon78:
God is a God of justice.

He sent his Son Jesus to pay the price.
He was scourged, whipped, nailed and crucified.
Jesus paid the price for humanities sin with His own life.

So when people reject God's only remedy for salvation. What will be another remedy?

It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living GOD.

It is only by His mercies that we are not consumed

How is eternity in hell fire a worthy punishment for sin.

How does finite offences befit infinite punishment

djon78:
There is no other name given under heaven where men will saved except the name of Jesus.

People always have opportunity
There are a lot of Muslims that have personal revelation of Jesus and believed.

Do you know that there are many secret disciples of Jesus in the Islamic world? As far as Saudi Arabia. There is one Christian Chanel on television that they wrote from the palace of king of Saudi Arabia that they receive the Chanel and hear the gospel on the television. Likewise in India and many parts of the world.


The gospel is spreading all around the world.
Many are believing and accepting Jesus secretly

What is the ratio of Muslims converted to devout Muslims in the whole world

For every 1 non Christian you converted there are a 100 more devout Muslims, Buddhist, Hindus who will never leave their religion.

Do you know how difficult it is for one to abandon the religion of his parents and society.

For every major religion one grows up with there is 95% chance of sticking with that religion till death.

If you were raised in a Muslim family in a Muslim country like Saudi Arabia, what are are the chances of you leaving Islam for another religion

It seems you don't understand how religion works.
You are underestimating the sentimental value of religion to one's life.

That is why you must never castigate a man for not leaving his religion.
You sef never leave your religion, so there is no need judging a man or writing him off to eternal punishment simply because he didn't convert.

djon78:
What I imply is those that didn't hear the gospel like our forefathers, and those in our present world who never heard about Jesus.

The issue is those that never heard about Jesus

But if you have heard of Jesus and never accepted Him, then you have rejected life.


People need to understand that it is only in Jesus that there is life.
Jesus was the Lamb that took away the sins of the world.
God judges sin. But the judgement that was supposed to come to the world, Jesus took it as the Lamb.
Jesus tasted death for all that believe in Him.
If you believe in Jesus that he died for your sins, then when you stop breathing you will never taste death because Jesus tasted death for you.


People don't know the gravity of what Jesus did for us. When you understand it, you will even live above Sin. You will fall deeply in love with Jesus.

If that is how it works then Muslims, Hindus, Buddhist and non Christians who heard the gospel are all going to hell.

That is over 4.5 billion people to perish, Jesus death was pretty useless after all.

Technically, heaven is for Christians only.

But do you realize not everyone can be Christian.
It is impossible.

Environment and circumstances influences one's religion.

If Arabs colonized the entire Nigeria, you would be a devout Muslim.

So you can't really blame those non Christians, can you.

You are no different from them.

Your God sending people to eternal punishment just because they were not Christian is very unfair, don't you think.

djon78:
Those that never heard the gospel will be judged according to there conscience. Every society has a moral code, for example, sleeping with someone's wife is an abomination that sometimes carried death penalty.

Likewise stealing etc were punishable. If so cities then had moral code how come?

So there is possibility of non Christians going to heaven

Any bible verse to prove this

Jayhazard:
If that's the case, then I guess there shouldn't be atheists around. Evidentially, our actions are results of what we set our hearts to believe. Why do you think unbelievers today live as if God does not exist? In truth, it's not that they haven't heard about God or His son, Jesus Christ of Nazareth, they just haven't chosen to believe. Despite the numerous evidences, they still do not believe. Why? Because of pre-conceived notions birthed from proud hearts. Based on these points, that's how it was in the time of our ancestors -- We practise what we believe. Please read the article whose link I pasted in my previous message.
By the way, talking about history, I have a question.
How do you know whether a historical account is true or not?

At the emboldened...so you are saying my ancestors who died before missionaries came to Africa heard about Jesus but refused to believe because of pre-concieved notions and they already set out out their hearts to believe what they want

Can you prove that they knew about Jesus before Christian missionaries came to Africa

Jayhazard:
Lol you didn't live with them, you were not there when they were born or at any stage in their lives. Even the people you know personally, you don't spend ALL of your time with them, you don't know what goes on in their minds. Thus, you can't always tell what goes on around people.
God has diverse ways of revealing Himself to people. The thing is, many of us don't consider Him well enough, to believe. When God reveals Himself to people and they show a willingness to believe Him, seek and get to know Him more, He will continue to reveal the multifaceted nature of Himself to them.
Please read this article for detailed explanations
https://www.gotquestions.org/never-heard.html

So you are saying that God revealed himself to our forefathers before the missionaries came

Do you have any historical fact to prove this.

I didn't live with my ancestors but I know how they lived, their way of life, their culture, their beliefs.

These are things we find in history books.
Stories about your ancestors were also passed down through word of the mouth from generation to generation.

I'm sorry if you don't know anything about your ancestors but I know mine.

They did not worship the Christian God cuz they don't know anything about him.

alBHAGDADI:
Jesus came to die for sinners, even the worst of them all. If someone like shekau or Osama bin laden suddenly believed in Jesus Christ the right way it ought to be, he will make heaven irrespective of the magnitude of his sins.

Isaiah 1:18
Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

Now, for you born into a Christians home, that doesn't make you a Christian. Being a Christian is believe in Jesus only. With that, you are not condemned.

John 3:18
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


Search your heart and believe in Jesus alone.Please read the OP again because salvation cam be found in it.

A serial rapist who rapes hundred people can accept Jesus on his death bed and he goes straight to heaven.

But a born again Christian who spends most of his life serving God can commit one sin on his death bed and he goes straight to hell.

So this is how fuçked up Christian morality is..

alBHAGDADI:
I came across a thread on Nairaland where people debated the case of hellfire. Many wondered why God will send a liar or a pencil thief to the same fiery furnace as a mass murderer like Osama Bin Laden. To them, this is unfair and doesn't show God to be a just God. They say earthly judges don't even do such because they give sentences according to the degree of offence. They say "how come a loving God can't do the same but lumps every sinner with the same punishment?".

What do we know as sin? Lying, stealing, formication, adultery, murder etc. But do you know that those sins are not what actually send people to hell fire? If they are what send people to hell fire, then all humanity will end up there. But you say "what about the Christians?". They will end up there as well because they also commit the same sins.


Romans 3:23 - For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Romans 3:10 - As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

Can anyone show me that Christian who hasn't committed sin in the past one week? You can never find such a person, only a liar who thinks he's perfect. Now, since we are all sinners and are deserving of hell fire, why do Christians say they won't end up there but will be in heaven? Aren't we all committing the same sins?

As Christians, we have been made righteous by one man, the man Jesus Christ. That man has saved us from our unrighteousness and has taken upon himself our sins.

2 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

The simple thing we did to receive this free gift of salvation unto eternal life was our believe in Jesus Christ who was given by God to save mankind from their sins

John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

Mathew 1:21
And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

That single act of us believing in his word has kept us away from the condemnation of hell fire. We have eternal life because of Jesus Christ.

John 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

We became sons of God because we believed in his name. And as sons of God, our Father's home in heaven is our home.


John 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Yes, we may sin from time to time because we are in the flesh which is weak, but our spirit is saved for all eternity. Those sins cannot make us condemned or sent to hell fire, because Jesus said nothing can ever make him cast out all those who have come to him.

John 6:37
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Nothing can make us lose that salvation. Nothing we do can ever separate us from God. Even if we want to leave God, he will not allow us to go because he's a mighty saviour. He is not like earthly Banks were whatever is saved can still get stolen or missing. Even thieves can hack banks and still your money. With God, you are totally safe and nothing, not even sin can pluck you out of his hands.

John 10:27-30
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.

Verse 29 says no man is able to pluck anyone Jesus saves out of his hand. This means you are forever saved and can't pluck yourself out no matter what you do. He's stronger than you.

You might say "does that mean I can go about sinning anyhow I like because heaven is guaranteed?" You can only go about sinning if you want to keep getting chastised and scourged by God. Remember he loves you because Jesus has given you the power to be his son.

Hebrews 12:6-11
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.


No matter how much God chastise and scourges you on earth, your salvation forever remains secured. Heaven is certain for you because Jesus already saved you. Can we all see how easy it is to receive Jesus? Isn't this the Good News we haven't heard in a while, that no matter what, we will make heaven if only we believe in Jesus Christ? Believe in Jesus is as simple as drinking a glass of water. It is as simple as smiling and having fun. Why would anyone now think it is difficult to the point that he now embraces the torment of hell fire for all eternity? Don't you know that rejection of Jesus Christ means condemnation for all eternity in the fiery furnace?

John 3:18
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Now, some people might want to play smart by saying they believe in Jesus. But do they know what believe in Jesus entails? They think believing in Jesus which gets you to heaven also entails their own personal works of righteousness. That's why they are led astray by the false gospel that says once you've accepted Jesus Christ, you have to keep going to church, stop smoking, avoid fornication and adultery etc. Don't get me wrong, these things are good but are not what get you to heaven. They don't even play an inch because Jesus Christ paid it all, he did it all on the across all by himself. Moreover, our works of righteousness are filthy rags before God.

Isaiah 64:6
But we are all as an unclean thing , and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags

Don't tell me you are banking on filthy rags to get you to heaven, a holy and clean place where God lives. Relying on your works makes you no different from the people that built the Tower of Babel. They thought their handwork could get them to heaven, that's why they built the Tower in an attempt to reach heaven. You are also no different from Cain who relied on his work of tilling the soil to produce what he will sacrifice to God, unlike his brother Abel who relied on the blood of the lamb alone, which is a representation of Jesus Christ. Mixing your works of righteousness with believe in Jesus also makes you no different from a Muslim who will say he also believes on Jesus, yet he mixes it with Islam.

Jesus paid it all and to him we owe it all. He gave us the gift of eternal life in salvation. It is nothing we ever did but simple believe in him.

Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Verse 9 says works doesn't save us. This means if you do all manner of good works without having faith in Jesus, you will still end up in hell fire. Otherwise, Rich men will be able to buy their way into heaven. All they just have to do is use their money for charity works like Bill Gates does. Your works don't get you into heaven, Jesus does. Not that works are not good, but works without faith in Jesus is dead works. If you have faith in Jesus and do good works, you will be rewarded here on Earth and also in heaven.

If you don't do works at all, you will still make heaven as long as you hold faith in Jesus Christ which is in itself righteousness.

Romans 4:5
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Friends, the horror of hell fire is real. Don't let anyone deceive you. I was deceived by Jehovah's Witnesses that hell fire doesn't exist. I held that false believe for years until I got saved and my eyes became open to the truth. If hell fire is not real, then what is Jesus saving you from? As seen above, it is easy to accept Jesus and live with him. Please do that now to secure your eternity. May God touch your heart. Amen.

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What about our forefathers who died before the Christian missionaries came to Africa

Are they burning in hell for not accepting a Jesus they never heard of

sod09:
I think the host ish had to do with the symbiote choice, venom said I found you you didn't find me.
That mean it prefer Brock and also allow the dog and Michelle for the main time.
As for riot, it also said to venom your host is strong so I think they are conscious of there hosts

Some host are strong enough to carry the symbiote and some are weak...good.

So how did Riot know how to keep selecting strong hosts but those human trials failed.
Is being a strong host written on the face cuz Riot only had to look at a new host, touch it and voila.... He finds a strong host again.
Riot's hosts didn't show any pain or struggle.
It was a clean process which Riot ends up controlling the host like a robot.

How is this possible?

How did Riot always know how to choose the right host ?

Moneyboyz:
I don't think the issue is compatibility here.

What happened is these creatures are getting hungry creatures and they eat their hosts from the inside out making then tear up..

Where there is need for action, these creatures tend to remain calm and use the hosts capabilities

The issue is compatibility.

Don't get it wrong.

Human trials in that lab failed.
The hosts died not because the symbiote ate them from the inside but because their body was not compatible.

Its as simple as that.



Compatibility is the problem.

The host body rejects the symbiote and in doing that often ends up dead.

Venom

5/10

Take away Tom Hardy's excellent performance and this movie would have been worse.

It's very unfortunate he alone couldn't save this movie from mediocrity.

Pros...

Tom Hardy.

Cons....

1. A character which had so much potentials in a R rated blockbuster was wasted on bland PG 13 money grabbing scheme.
Venom is very violent character through and through.
It's not a surprise that he talks about eating human heads and he has teeth to tear victims apart and create a bloody scene.
But instead of giving us a scary symbiote, the PG13 gives us a pussy cat with sharp teeth for fancy.

2. The pacing in this movie is terrible.

The first part was slow and good. We got to know Eddie Brock, his work, his motivation, his personal struggles and the transition from a average guy to Venom's host.

The second part of the movie was rushed.
The director was more interested in jumping from one plot point to another in so little time with the cheap action flicks while paying little attention to proper character development.
Little wonder Riot turned out to be a big pile of poo.

3. The action sequences were rushed, boring, disorganized and all over the place.
Especially that Riot vs Venom fight which felt like a painter throwing different colours on the wall to see what sticks.
The motorbike/car chase was cheesy as well.
I've seen better chase before.

4. The CGI is average and sometimes just piss poor.
SONY is very capable of doing a better job but NO.. They rather do some cheap action flicks.

5. Character development was just piss poor.

Michelle Williams is just an average typical good girl.
She is also boring and can't even act like she's seen a monster. Her dialogues were crap as well.

Venom is just average.
We barely understand him cuz the story was rushed.
Funny how he went from "let's eat his head" to "let's save the world " under 24 hours.

Rid Ahmed is a typical corporate villain.
Super boring and barely intimidating as a villain.

Riot... I got nothing much to say about this one.
We barely know a thing or two about him.
Plain rubbish.
The worst comic book villain I've seen in a long time and the worst thing about this movie.

6. Lazy writing and plot holes/unanswered questions.

Carlton Drake tries to get host after host to bond with the Symbiotes with zero luck but Riot miraculously manages to find a series of perfect hosts during his trip from Malaysia, all of whom seem to be perfectly fine after he moves on from them. It's never explained how this happens or how the Life Foundation CEO just so happens to also be a match for Riot; again, this is shitty storytelling.

We never get much of an explanation for how the Life Foundation came across that asteroid full of Symbiotes, how they managed to just steal a few, or how far from Earth it was supposed to be.
So, with that in mind, how did Riot intend on flying a spaceship out into the unknown to find his people? For that matter, when did Carlton Drake find time to learn how to operate that by himself and how would they have kept thousands of Symbiotes alive on the way back to Earth? It makes zero sense.

Riot planned on going home and returning with an army of symbiotes. However, he didn't have a plan to get back. The symbiotes were forcibly brought to Earth so they didn’t know the planet's coordinates or have a big enough vessel to bring them back. In fact, how did they even have a plan to invade Earth if it wasn’t even their plan to be on the planet in the first place?

Venom is just an average movie.

It is not as bad as critics say it is but it is not good enough either.

5/10

dippleee1:
My predication starting from tomorrow is ready, runs down till sunday. One risk n carefully analysed game..I staked the game on Nairabet site

Any plans for the weekend?

ollah2:
That was the old God. The new God has rebuilt Shiloh and embraced it in its entirety.

Can you prove this with a scriptural backing.?

Deepfreezer:
Honesty mate. This last minute calculation would have been avoided if we defeated redstar

We literally had the a last 16 slot on our hands before facing red star but we threw it away with that loss.

We missed our chance to qualify through the easy way and now we have to do it the hardest way.

dominique:
As it stands now, even Youropa is not sure for the reds. Should red star defeat PSG and they lose to Napoli next month, they're on their way out or las las they'll come and join us on Thursday night

I'm a Liverpool fan but I prefer we finish last in the group and forget European competition this season.

And rather channel all our strength on premier league.

No Shaqiri in the starting lineup.

Henderson starts despite a very poor performance last Saturday.

Lovren starts and Gomez is playing out of his best position.

Trent on the bench.

Wetin Klopp smoke abeg....

hulk616:
That's what they always say before the movie comes out, but when it comes out, we will be looking for touch light to see the final fight

You want to start a fan war just because a critic said Aquaman is tied for best superhero movie of year.

The name of the critic is Umberto Gonzalez.
Go to twitter and battle it out with him.

I won't reply you again...

hulk616:
soooo, people did not buy tickets for useless movies like BvS, green lantern, Catwoman.

If DC films were useless like you think.
Why did those people bother buying tickets in the first place

Not only did they buy tickets, they bought so much that WB made 3.7 billion dollars with DCEU first five movies.

Oops...

Nairalanders abeg can anyone explain how the ball ended up behind Lukaku

hulk616:
in the nonsense JL, what did Aquaman do that people should waste their money watching his useless movie

JL failed to market the character well.

But it's not a big of a problem that James Wan can't fix.

People are already buying tickets to see fish boy and there's nothing you can do about it.

hulk616:
stupidity is when someone thinks a fish movie with very bad effects can beat infinity war with goddamm fantastic special glorious effects.

Bad visual effects .

I don't blame you, maybe you watched the latest trailer in 3gp format 140p

The critics who saw the movie are saying the visuals are spectacular.

Sit your ass down joor...

According to analysts... When it comes to box office projections, Aquaman could be the first movie since June to open with $100m or more this year.

The last movie to achieve this feat is Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom with $143m and that was way back in June.

These projections are not set in stone and therefore should be taken with a pinch of salt.

We will wait and see...

hulk616:
its a DC for God's sake it will fail, I can bet my house, car everything it will fail

And I will save this page to quote you later if Aquaman turns out to be a success.

I just hope you won't deactivate your account before then.

hulk616:
are you kidding me there is no movie in 2018 that can beat infinity war not even this aqua useless man.

A movie you haven't watched.
Just go back to your Marvel thread

MJBOLT:

was he high when he said that?

I don't know but I'll take it with a pinch of salt.
When I see the movie I will make my own judgement .

Minemrys:
n0w u get me. That's why i say critics aren't the go to squad for films being g0od in its sense of entertainment or significance. They have this idea that super hero films are meant to be cart0onish. I thank the fox films for having the balls and bringing abt an era of superhero films being agenda based.

One thing I know is....

The entire DC universe will not become cheesy like Marvel films.
Matt Reeve's Batman will be an exception.
It will carry on the dark, gritty nature that Zack Snyder used in BVS.
The director confirmed it himself.

Other future DC movies might be cheesy to an extent cuz its obvious that Warner Bros don't wanna risk the wrath of critics anymore.

Minemrys:
i wasn't talking abt the critics. I was talking abt fans pre the m0vie release.

Yes fans praised the film after those early screenings.

Aquaman has had 3 early screenings and fans praised it as well.
But I didn't want to post it here cuz I was waiting to see what critics would say.

You know those situations where critics would thrash a movie that fans love... Vice versa.
Venom is a testimony to that.

I thought Aquaman would suffer that fate but it turned out differently.

Fans were praising it after 3 early screenings and critics are now praising it after the world premiere yesterday.

The critical reception is gonna be like WW.

I can't wait to see the movie for myself and make my own judgement.

Minemrys:
am n0t speaking of the films just being lighthearted mind you. Am speaking of the films bearing deeper meanings than it been just pop corn flicks. WW was a generic film that had n0thing new to it. I think the only reas0n it wasn't trashed was the feminist thing it had going which to be truthful wasn't even present. The film barely showed the essence of why the world needed w0nder w0man, it only pushed to audiences lungs that they needed w0nder w0man. If you call that s0mething great, then i guess WB going generic is the way to go for you. Shazam needs to be lighthearted, true but the film also needs to have meaning and a sense to it. I trust the director, but WB? They'll ruin it. And, we d0n't want a harlequinn m0vie. Seriously. That's catw0man sloppy. If a film like that manages to be a hit at the BO expect trashs like that henceforth.

But come to think of it.

DC has already done movies with deep meaning.

Zack Snyder's Watchmen was really deep and had some sense to it.

Also BVS wasn't a generic action flick.

At the end of the day critics thrashed these movies because it was too depressing, dark and gritty.

It failed bro..

Shittaakeem:
Batman v Superman Dawn of Justice

BVS early reactions were overwhelmingly positive but those reactions were from fans who saw the early screening.
The movie even got a standing ovation at one early screening.

Critics never praised BVS.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Aquaman is getting positive reactions from both critics and fans who saw the early screenings.

Minemrys:
trust me, you'll be the 1st to c0mplain down the line once the films start being formulaic. I aint tr0lling. Am a Dc guy at heart. Its only if these films fail that Wb will realise they need to go by a blue print and hunger for quality n0t quantity. Watch how shazam, harlequinn and ww1984 bec0mes, and by then reply me to tell me if i was right or wrong.

Shazam is pure lighthearted comedy, no surprise there and that tone is perfect for Billy.
WB wouldn't have done it any other way.

Harley Quinn was always light, crazy and fun. We already saw that in Suicide Squad.

Wonder Woman 1984 will never use the Marvel formula.
The tone will be just like the first movie, WB is not crazy enough to change something that already worked the first time.
Patty Jenkins is still in charge.

So count out WW84.

hardwerk:
Never said they did but simply beat it first before talking to me ...Can't hear you from the top jigga

Beat what exactly....the box office numbers