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SWORD419:
Merciless set of people, buhari is weak tbh, with the number of unemployed graduates NASU is replaceable

Indeed all these lectures are easily replaceable. Buhari is a weak leader which is why he's being pushed around even though he has the leverage. The tens of thousands of unemployed master degree holders that can easily replace them. All Buhari has to is give them an ultimatum comply or be fired and banned from civil service.

Total unemployment by degree: 
BA/BSc/Bed/HND - 1,492,365
Masters degrees - 91,249
Doctorate Degree - 9,832

zikter:
Mayne, that is why they are not. NO RESOLVE is an added reason your SACK CANNOT HAPPEN.
You can bring more reasons to strengthen my stand.

Lol do you think everyone spineless liar that can't see the governments leverage? Maybe they actually believe in the imaginary shortage of lecturers you claimed. Anyway since you dont understand conditional statements there's no point going on. You honestly believe there's nobody in present or future can make the change so it's a wrap.

zikter:
Here we go again, WHY THE SACK CANNOT HAPPEN

The sack can happen if they have the resolve. Lol do you think everyone is spineless like you?

zikter:
Do not forget the subject matter. It is sacking all the lecturers. You remind me of my secondary school debate days. I said they can't sack, you say they should, but went ahead to give series of reasons why they can't. You are only debating to strengthen my points. Any reason you give as to why the government will not sack them is the exact reason they can't (my initial position). So be it weakness, political etc is just strengthening my point. Exactly how we used to box an opponent into strengthening our position invariably those days.
Conclusion: After a long debate, you see reasons why the suggestion is impossible here. Nigeria is not USA, USA is not China, China is not Angola. There is no one fit all approach in this.
I expect you to come back with more reasons why your suggestion CANNOT ever happen, to strengthen my point more. Waiting

Lol all you did was lie shortages, illegallity and contracts being the reason. The fact is the can fire them and has the leverage if it choose. The political will isnt there because they're weak not because they're incapable. The government can sack snd easily replace all the lectures like I proved with the unemployment numbers.

If leaders and mentally weak like yourself it wont. If they're have backbone and common sense they will. I gave a conditional statement on when they will fire them. Unless you believe all leaders are weak like yourself it can't happen. Fortunately there's enough people with common sense to see the obvious.

zikter:
You have all the reasons why they cannot sack everyone and you are still suggesting it. Can you agree with me now that it cannot happen? Due to what you said and several other factors.
If the leaders are not weak but strong as we wanted, me and you will not even be talking of ultimatums and sack here. Their strong policies would have benefited all satisfactorily, and hence no agitations here and there.
Summary is, the situation being what it is now, the sack option is not viable and will never happen as you suggested. Once the situation changes and things are normalized, you will not see this bickering between ASUU and FG.
For now, ASUU will still have their way.
The FG can decide to force pay them on IPPIS, making errors, paying dead people. ASUU will on the other hand collect the payment, not resume work until their grievances are settled.

I dont agree with you. Lol with weak leaders on like you it can't happen. Every leader tested like Ronald Reagan in the united states. He fired 10k of his striking workers who refused his ultimatum. Insubordination doesn't need to be tolerated. The can register while issues are wirked out with software.

If you have no else to say the conversation is done. Facts are the FG has all the leverage. The imaginary shortage you spoke if doesn't exist. There's also plenty of qualified professionals to replace them likes I correctly pointed out.

zikter:
keep disgracing yourself.
Audio 10k, distributed in what disciplines? And do they want to teach? The decision makers in government are not dumb, if anything, they are well exposed, educated and intelligent. They know things don't work the way you think. There are legal contractual agreements between an employer and employee. You don't just order someone around because you employ him.

Replace from private sector or government establishments indeed. Then, robots will replace those you have taken. Quite funny.

In any case, you can free your mind now. Because your day dreaming of ultimatums, sack etc is just what it is, day dreaming. Wake up from it because it is not going to happen.
We may be cursed with bad leaders but at least they are not block heads to try to crumble all sectors if the economy using your alternative model.
Do a little research about your "saner climes" and see what is obtainable there in their education and compare to ours, before you will come and start your sack marathon.
Sack ko bag ni

Lol do you think everyone is like you citing numbers they can't back up? You should take your own advice research and keep up to date. I'll link you to NBS stats since you didnt bother to look it yourself. What in the employee contract says they're exempt from IPPIS? There's no nothing in the labor law that gives these lecturers that right. You're just making up nonsense.

Yes the leaders are weak like yourself we established this fact. They don't take hard stance for political reasons not legal. In rising unemployment environment it's not political expedient to fire them. Lol it's the same foolishness that makes them continue other bad policies until their hand is forced.

Lol lectures shortage ni lecture shortartage ko. Why cant they find a job outside of the university if they're in such high demand. They have zero levage if the government got tough of them. There easily replaceable but you cant see this because they're sacred cows in your mind.

FYI Total unemployment by degree:
Masters degrees - 91,249
Doctorate Degree - 9,832

zikter:
okay, since the sacking of the lecturers is not going to happen as you agree, you should also move on.
1. How many professors or doctors of medicine, agronomy, microbiology, food science, engineering etc do you know are unemployed and can replace lecturers you sack?
2. How many south Africans, Ghanians, etc lecturers do you think can leave better work environment and pay to come to the very poor conditions obtained in our universities?
3. In your warp knowledge you think a university is a secondary school that anyone can go and start lecturing. This really shows how a smart leader you will be. With this your mentality, you will make history as the world's worst leader. No wonder, the Chinese and Indians have a field day in this country, with this kind of employer slave mentality

Nah I dont need to. I can always suggest good alternative maybe a better leader will do it.

1. After the ultimatum most wont quit knowing they get a job elsewhere. There's enough people with masters degrees. Lol nigeria has nearly 10k unemployed PhD holders..

2. Enough to replace anyone dumb enough to lose job over petty insubordination. You're also assuming there's nobody state or private sector wont want to replace them.

3. Lol weirdos like you claim it's slavery to obey simply directives. Why not seek your freedom in the private sector.

zikter:
Well, I showed you where to look for proof. I wonder why the tough leaders did not sack them as you clamour. May be they are all dumb or smarter than what you think. But as all of them did not take the sack option, it means they know what you don't know and see what you don't see. It is as simple as that.

Ok You made wild claim you can't back up. There's no shortage unless you can prove it. You cant and wont so move on. They aren't tough like Reagan that's why I used him as the example. Nope it means they dont have the resolve necessary. Insubordination is enough to fire them. There's plenty of qualified talent in academia to replace them. Lastly they dont have leverage considering the current labor market.

zikter:
you are quite funny. Just wait for schools to reopen and see who will teach the students. Not like it is a good thing, but the government's policies on education are generally too poor. By the way, try keeping yourself up to date with information. I don't like giving information here as you would want simply because you can look it up yourself. It discourages mental laziness.
Again, for your information, ASUU grouse with the government is not even on IPPIS, this is just a side distraction. There are key agreements they signed which government has not fulfilled. Government is just grand standing on all these things. No ASUU members will be sacked, they will not enroll on IPPIS, and no school will resume until all the issues are sorted. If you think government can wake up and sack any of them, think again. ASUU is not like any other union. Ask OBJ and the rest, they did more than this but it didn't result to anything.

Ok I you dont have proof. All you can do is make wild claims you cant back up. It's that simple your excuses dont matter. Buhari is weak leader so he probably wont get tough.

Lol mumu I know it's your culture to be foolish but you have all the time. The FG can but chooses not to. After being having all your stupid arguments debunked all you can do is cry now. I'll do as please as usual thanks. You do the same mumu.

jmaine:
Lol... You are trying too hard to be an idiot..

Since the FG cannot do that, what will a nonentity like you do? Continue to scream sack them...

If you were remotely sensible, you won't be clutching at straws....

jmaine:
Unfortunately, your noise ends here... Go and sack them...

Mumu did I say I'm going to sack them? I know foolishness might be a family trait but try to make sense.

Mumu dont cry now. If they dont want to comply with legal lawful directives they're free to go. There's nothing unreasonable about sacking insubordinate employees. Lol where in the labor laws does it say they're exempt from IPPIS or can't be fired for insubordination.

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jmaine:
You are the inconsistent turd... You can't sack them...

I am sure that is a painful reality for you to live with...

Eyah! Pele.....

We have a stretched tertiary education system and a idiot somewhere thinks sacking is a reasonable thing to do..

No wonder we have a certificateless merchant leading a learned generation...

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What's wrong with you mumu? You just from one foolish arguement to the other. It is easy if your tough like Ronald Reagan. Insubordination is a fireable offense. You pretending there's no qualified replacements in the workforce is laughable. If they're in such demand they can go thrive in the private sector.

jmaine:
Continue existing in a fools paradise....

You think it's easy to sack/punish Union members due labour conflicts?

When the acts establishing labour unions in Nigeria forbids such.

It's akin to folks, screaming seasoned Military Generals and top officers be sacked to recruits idiots baying for blood online...

Your points were baseless and stupid...

zikter:
Please google is always available for this kind of things. Just google the subject. More over, try to read about ASUU issues with the IPPIS system before swallowing anything whole from the government. What of numerous complaints those already on the system are bringing out.
Moreso, how do you sack an entire work force as you claim and still sustain the sector? It implies you are even worst than the Buhari you are castigating

You're judt making statements you cant back up. There's no shortage of university lecturers in Nigeria. Lol university lectures are already complying only the stubborn ones would be fired. If you dont like the system you dont have ro work for the government take your talents to the private sector. You can register while bugs are worked out.

Lol mumu stop rambling nonsense. You're making strawman arguements because you're too dumb to argue point I made. If you dont register for IPPIS you can be fired end of story. The government didnt say adjuncts and sabbatical arent allowed like you're foolishly pretending.

On payment to sabbatical and adjunct lecturers, the official said these categories of lecturers are duly recognised by IPPIS.

However, he said this was dependent on the submission of the particulars of the affected lecturers, including their IPPIS number, primary institution, the start date of the sabbatical or the visiting and the end date.

While all staff on sabbatical are entitled to 100 per cent of their salaries as sabbatical allowances, he said visiting and adjunct lecturers would get 50 per cent of their salaries as visiting allowance.

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jmaine:
Stop being an idiot..

You don't have the requisite experience to replace the senior lecturers and Profs in the employ of the Federal universities....

To you, medical consultants should no longer be recruited to tutor medical students, cos they are comfortably employed in the hospitals.. You did rant they be sacked to recruit who? You.

A fresh PhD needs at least 3 years research experience to tutor postgraduate students...

To idiots online, Seasoned professionals should be sacked for clowns to be recruited.

Lecturers are not the reason for the high employment rate in Nigeria. Study hard, perhaps you could be considered.

On a sad note to some you... Proponents of IPPIS has come to understand that Sabbaticals and Adjunct lecturing is here to stay... No rants can change that...

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zikter:
with all this grammar you are blowing, there are no enough lecturers in the university system. Why is the government not employing the so many talents roaming the street? Let them start from there first. Some comments here give an insight of how incapable some people will be, given Buhari's position

Who told you there's a shortage of university lecturers? I haven't seen any report claiming this. If there's a shortage schools would hirer real lecturers instead of paying ghost. Lol you're making erroneous statements because you can't defend your rights arguement. Lol you'd be weak like Buhari always complaining but you dont see audits or prosecutions.

The government job isnt to hire everyone. They need to improve their economic policies so private sector hires these unemployed people. Nigeria already spends too much on recurrent expenditures.

jmaine:
They will fire them to employ you right.? .

This is the same silly approach we tell striking doctors when they push for their rights .. No wonder our leaders said Drs can take to farming if they were unsatisfied or that Nigeria has more than enough doctors..

Now see what is happening during the pandemic.


Even the rugged Abacha tried it and it ended no where... Continue cutting off your nose to spite your face...

Lol stop rambling nonsense. There's enough talent in the workforce with masters degress to replace these workers. If need be the workers in public sector can be poached along with talent from other African countries. If they dont wish to oney lawful directive they can try their hsnd with state universities and private sector.

The unemployment rate is high over 20 percent. They dont hsve much leverage in this situation. You're doctor example is a lame apples and oranged comparison.

They're still arguing when they could just take my simple advice.

This whole situation is nonsense give them a simple ultimatum. Either register or be fired for insubordination. Buhari should copy Ronald Reagan's example by firing these striking federal workers. They're refusing to comply with a lawful directive. After firing them ban them from civil service.

The statement did not add what the government was doing to rectify the payment errors or if there would be sanctions for managements of such universities.

Lol ofcourse they'd forget to address the obvious. If they committed fraud you'd expect prosecutions and audits of these universities. It's just funny how the dead have an easier time getting paid than the living.

The federal government on Monday said it was deliberately misled by the managements of some Nigerian universities into paying salaries to some deceased members of the Academic Staff Union of Universities (ASUU) through the Integrated Personnel Payroll system (IPPIS).

The Accountant-General of the Federation, Ahmed Idris, was reacting to ASUU’s criticism of the IPPIS and accusations that the government ended up paying dead members of the union.

The official said the affected university managements were to be blamed as they sent in lists containing deceased personnel for payment.

He also said ASUU was engaging in “cheap propaganda to denigrate IPPIS for obvious reasons.”

The official equally gave reasons why some lecturers did not receive salaries paid to them recently through the banks.

ASUU has been opposed to the implementation of the IPPIS as it argues it does not take into consideration its unique operations. This has led to confrontations between it and the Nigerian government over the last few months.

Deliberately Misled?

Mr Idris, in a statement, on Monday, said the government was misled into paying deceased ASUU staff.

He then accused the authorities of the unnamed universities of fraud.

“On the alleged payment to dead university staff, it means the Institutions deliberately forwarded to IPPIS the list containing dead ASUU members as being part of their personnel, to get more personnel fund,” Mr Idris said.

“When President directed that ASUU be paid, the OAGF sent a letter, through NUC Executive Secretary, requesting for the list of ASUU members through their VCs. We run BVN (Bank Verification Number) test on the list forwarded to us as we are aware that we cannot use the old nominal roll because of changes that might have likely taken place.

“It is the responsibility of the Institutions or Agencies to inform the IPPIS office about death, resignation or exit from service before due date. We sent payroll analysis to the tertiary institution Bursars for review of any omission or names to be excluded.

“This issue is a cheap propaganda by ASUU to denigrate IPPIS for obvious reasons,” Mr Idris added.

The statement did not add what the government was doing to rectify the payment errors or if there would be sanctions for managements of such universities.

‘Non-receipt of paid salaries’

On why some lecturers did not receive their salaries,Mr Idris blamed it on lack of uniformity between the names in banks’ databases and on the payrolls sent by the institutions.

He said “since salary payment through the IPPIS platform was personal and does not recognise joint accounts operated by two or more persons, about 1,180 Bank Verification Numbers (BVNs) sent for validation and confirmation of account details failed the test and were rejected.”

Those not paid, he said, were lecturers who failed to update their bank details to conform with their names on the payroll, “including those who got married.”

On the request by ASUU for tertiary institution workers’ unions to be exempted from certain taxes through IPPIS, Mr Idris said granting such a request would violate the extant laws on tax.

Recently, some university workers lamented what they said were huge deductions from their salaries when the salaries were paid using the IPPIS.

But, the accountant general said the deductions were statutory taxes paid by all salary earners.

He said the IPPIS applied the correct rate in computing the taxes in compliance with Section 34 of the 6th schedule on personal income tax (Amendment) Act of 2011.

Further insight

Giving more insight to the issue, Mr Idris said prior to the migration to IPPIS, the rate of tax applied by tertiary institutions was not correct, leading to underpayment of PAYE Tax.

As a result, he said, all state governments filed claims to the federal government to pay the differential that arose from the underpayment of tax by those institutions.

He said the federal government has “since paid several billions on behalf of those institutions to the state governments.”

Also, he said the deduction of 2.5 per cent of basic salary for the National Housing Fund (NHF) is another statutory contribution backed by the Act of National Assembly, “which the lecturers cannot be exempted from.”

The Fund, he said, is a saving contribution by all federal employees to enable them have access to short life loans to own their personal houses.

These savings contributions, he said, are refundable with interest either at retirement or exit from service as an employee of the federal government.

Jabs

Mr Idris said it was unlawful for ASUU to request that those laws should not be applicable to its members, or the deductions made optional for them.

“The request for breach of Act of Parliament is not within the ambit of the IPPIS or the OAGF,” Mr Idris said. .

He said ASUU has already been advised to approach the National Assembly for amendment of the Act before their request could be considered.

On the 7.5 per cent deduction for employees’ pension contributions, Mr Idris faulted ASUU’s claims that it should be based on basic salary and not on consolidated salary.

He said the consolidated salary was applicable when determining the contributions of all federal employees by the Salaries Income and Wages Commission (SIWC).

The actual amount contributed by the employee, he explained, determines what the government also contributes in line with the Pension Contributory Act.

Allowances

On payment of allowances, Mr Idris said it is based on the salary structure approved by the SIWC.

Consequently, Mr Idris said the university unions have been advised to approach the commission to formalise any agreement approved for them on salaries and allowances.

“This is because the Salaries, Incomes and Wages Commission (SIWC) is the only body authorised by law to prescribe salary structure and issue circulars for all federal government employees in Nigeria.

“Besides, the Revenue Mobilisation, Allocation And Fiscal Commission is the sister body authorised by law to issue circular on payment of salary and allowances to political office holders,” he said.

He said any other salaries and allowances approved by any other agency in Nigeria which are not formalised by these two agencies will amount to illegal payments.

On payment to sabbatical and adjunct lecturers, the official said these categories of lecturers are duly recognised by IPPIS.

However, he said this was dependent on the submission of the particulars of the affected lecturers, including their IPPIS number, primary institution, the start date of the sabbatical or the visiting and the end date.

While all staff on sabbatical are entitled to 100 per cent of their salaries as sabbatical allowances, he said visiting and adjunct lecturers would get 50 per cent of their salaries as visiting allowance.

He said the government would no longer incur unnecessary expenditure on pension, National Health Insurance Scheme (NHIS), “or such allowances that are not part of universities pensionable salaries.”

On the 2 per cent deduction from consolidated salary as union dues, Mr Idris said this was done to save the government “from being accused of denying ASUU their dues.”

He, however, said the remittance of union deductions could only be legally made when the tertiary institutions and their union members forward the list of their members and their IPPIS numbers.

‘Unfair accusation’

Describing as unfair, the accusation that IPPIS was withholding funds deducted from lecturers’ salaries, Mr Idris said until January 2020, the tertiary institutions were in charge of the payment of their salaries.

He said considering that the IPPIS commenced the payment of salaries to tertiary institution in February 2020, the

tertiary institutions “owed their staff explanations why they refused to pay them up to January 2020.”

Their refusal, he noted, contravened the presidential directive that all consequential arrears due to federal employees be paid on or before December 31, 2019.

Source: https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/393492-ippis-nigerian-universities-misled-us-into-paying-dead-lecturers-accountant-general.html

How did you make this list and forget opperstion fast and furious and National defense authorization act.

What a foolish system. They should just mail it instead of asking people to collect it.

Hunchogee:
You sound stupid already , I didn't waste my time reading all those nonsense you typed ...... Nextime say what you know

Lol ok clown thanks for admitting your foolishness. I shouldnt waste of time reasoning a mumu anyway.

Hunchogee:
Is funny when you become against your people today and join them tomorrow playing two sides...I don't really know where your from but don't say what you don't know ok

Stop your inane ramblings. Its clear you have nothing intelligent to retort with so you bore me with nonsense. Instead of being sycophantic weirdo praising every foolish action by the government criticize them with they're wrong and praise them when they're right.

The politicians are whining over gifts like exxon mobile owes them. They pay their taxes and employ people and opperate legally. If you actually care about the people you'd ask what the state is doing with tax revenue they earned.

While many will applaud and appreciate these
apparent kind gesture from a Multinational that
is exploiting our mineral resources and
contributing less to the development of the core
oil producing communities, as a Representative
of the people from this region in the National
Assembly, it is important to state that these
provisions from ExxonMobil is another way of
insulting the sensibilities of Akwa Ibom people.

Hon. Patrick Ifon
Eket/ Esit Eket/ Ibeno/ONNA

olmoRoc:
who are they going to be worshiping in that building? misplaced priorities

It's very dumb but that's their priority. What's sad is they'll rather rant about exxon than demand better governance. They're no different from the religious zealots in Jigawa building mosques.

No issue if they dont like Exxon mobil donation they're free to get their own stuff. They found billions to fund a church there's no reason to cry about a gift. Lol these politicians just use foreign companies to distract from their own actions.

Akwa Ibom did end up rejecting the vehicles but the kept the other donations.

The politician is an entitled idiot. Exxon Mobil doesn't owe you anything. The legally acquired the right to drill oil, pay taxes and employee people. The idiotic politicans switch the conversation to the companies so they dont have to answer what they did with all the tax revenue they generate.

They donated used equipment in united states. If anyones feels they deserve the best just buy it yourselves. What are you doing with the taxes that you dont already have these things to begin with? Lol these clowns can find billions to build a church but cry over ExxonMobil gifts.

ZooMontana’s good fortune continued today when ExxonMobil donated a lightly used Honda four wheeler to the Billings based nonprofit.  The vehicle came equipped with a snow plow, helping the Zoo clear their 2 miles of paths after a snowfall.  During the summer months, the vehicle will be utilized by the zoo keeping staff to haul supplies.

Dreal1247:
Why not reduce the cost of governance. They need to take lectures from Mr Peter Obi, the former Governor of Anambra State. When the Senate President has about 300 aids to be paid from the taxpayers' found should not be sustained under the present reality.

They not seriously considering that because it's not politically expedient to. Its the first thing Buhari should of done.

They been saying this since 2016. What have they sold off so far? Nigeria issues are being overly dependent on oil revenue revenue and most of the budget going to recurrence expenditures. They need to cut down government and raise tax revenue. That's the permanent solution.