₦airaland Forum

Gwazah:
Moving police from exclusive to concurrent list without creation of state police?
How does it work?
More explanation from u guys pls cos I don't know much about government policies.

If policing is moved to concurrent list states can establish them without federal permission.

MondayOsunbor:

under buhari

this will never happen

Buhari doesn't get a vote. Pressure your representatives.

BlueAngel444:
dude you want them stripped of almost everything valuable in the economy

No I didn't. It would actually make these assets more valuable in the long term.

orisa37:
All Resources, sourcing and application, should go to the States too so they can uniformly contribute say ten percentage of each State Resources to run the FG for the balance of the Responsibilities left for it.

Lol that's not happening. Both entities have taxing authority. The FG will collect their portion abd state will do theirs. It would be stupid for anyone to wait on the other to fund it. It didnt work for the United States under the failed articles of confederation. It was replaced with the current constitution for that reason.

In the US for example both Federal and state government can collect income taxes. If you live in California for example you'll pay both enties. It's that easy.

anonimi:
Ordinarily, the south and middle belt can pull 2/3rd votes in the two chambers of the NASS to override the president's veto.
However, that won't happen without intense pressure from the streets.
The big question is- can we give our senators and representatives sustained intense pressure to deliver?

Lol South and North central dont add up to 2/3. We'd only have to get one vote from NW or NE to get amendment passed. It's better to go talk then them in person lobbying them. That's essentially what not to young to run did. If that doesn't work protrest away and hope media covers it.

anonimi:
Ha, there it is in the last line.......................I was thinking that you won't put that line there.................. I for lambast you ehn

Lol Im always telling people to call the representatives. Unlike the United states you have a great chance to takk directly with them on the phone. In the USA you'll just speak to their aid. Nigerians represented are just terrible at responding to emails unlike us representatives.

In the absence of any dissenting view, the bill was put to vote and got the support of majority of the members in plenary.

The most interesting part of all this is we'll see if presidential assent is necessary for constitutional amendment. It's not since in my opinion because it's passed by veto proof majority. We'll see if Buhari pressures Senate.

freeze001:
Oh! You do not realise that the stupid centrality of the Nigerian federal system is hinged mostly on the natural resources? Once you touch FG central ownership of natural resources especially oil and gas, you will wake up the angry, demonic leeches feeding fat off what should be regionally or state owned resources.

It wouldn't make difference in reality? The FG will still eat your taxes and have regulatory power. Btw it shouldn't be regionally or state owned. It should be owned by the entity that purchased said mineral rights or whoever already owns said land. What are your thoughts on the land ownership vs occupancy?

freeze001:
Ah! You have divided almighty one Nigeria be dat o! What else is left?

Lol what do you mean? The state will still eat at the end of the day. This just gives the tax cows more space be productive. Tax law doesn't require constitutional amendments afterall.

Simplyleo:
It helps somehow.

But don't be offended, I learn better with very simple language. I'm still seeing the expressions I don't understand in the explanation.

However, the last statement of the second portion almost rang a bell, but I don't want to assume.

That is; the Legislative arm of the govt can legislate on one of the lists. Which of them?

And what exactly does that mean in layman's language? As in the meaning of "legislating on them".

Thanks in anticipation of the explanation.

The exclusive list are items only the Federal legislature can make laws on. The concurrent list are items both state and federal legislature can make laws on. Moving an item exclusive to concurrent gives more power to the states. If this bill were to pass state assemblies could pass their own holiday's without federal input.

Simplyleo:
I hate making comments on what I don't understand

Pls which one be Exclusive Legislative List again?

Also, which one be Concurrent List?

And what is the impact of swapping the list to which the aforementioned agencies belong

Just a sincerely innocent question.

Does this help?

section 4 of the 1999 constitution empowers the National Assembly to make laws with respect to matters to the exclusion of any other tier of government included in the Exclusive Legislative List.

“This bill seeks to de­volve some items on the Ex­clusive Legislative List to the state. The implication, therefore, is that the items will be transferred from the Exclusive Legislative List to the Concurrent Legislative List. In other words, both the National and the state Assemblies can legislate on them.”

They should futher reduce federal power by eliminating the land use act and exclusive ownership of all minerals. Individuals should own their own the land and minerals associated with it. If state needs land they acquire it via the eminent domain.

I hope this scales through quickly. Most the items of the exclusive list are unnecessary. The federal government should be pragmatic and reduce their burden. Police and prisons should both be put in concurrent list together. Let the states pay to house the inmates.

Exclusive Legislative List:

39. Mines and minerals, including oil fields, oil mining, geological surveys and natural gas

Moving mining from the exclusive list would include oil and gas. They're both covered by the same section of constitution. Besides the constitutional amendment would never pass without including it.

Make sure you contact your representative to support this bill.

https://www.nassnig.org/mps/members
https://www.nassnig.org/mps/senators

ABUJA – Barring any unforeseen de­velopment in the proposed amendment of the 1999 con­stitution by the National Assembly, the Police Force as well as generation and transmission of electricity will leave the exclusive leg­islative list and be part of the concurrent list.

This follows the passage through second reading an amendment bill seeking to liberalise internal securi­ty and power generation, among other things, by the House of Representatives on Tuesday.

The bill is being spon­sored by the Chief Whip of the House, Rep. Tahir Mo­nguno, from Borno State and is titled, “A Bill for An Act to Alter Part 1 of the Second Schedule to the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, 1999 to Devolve to State Some Items on the Exclusive List, and for Related Matters”.

Leading debate on its general principles during plenary, Monguno said some items such as the police, power generation, public holidays, and mining activ­ities needed to be moved to the Concurrent List to be legislated upon by both the federal and state govern­ments.

Citing the police as an example, Monguno said de­volving power would guar­antee effective policing of the nooks and crannies of the society.

He said: “Hon. Speaker, Hon. Members, we all know that section 4 of the 1999 constitution empowers the National Assembly to make laws with respect to matters to the exclusion of any other tier of government included in the Exclusive Legislative List. “The 1999 Constitution came into force on May 29, 1999 and since then, series of challenges have been noticed with regards to the exercises of powers vested in the National Assembly, which is seen as concen­trating powers in the centre. The concentration has led to agitation for devolution of powers to the states in order to achieve true federalism.

“This bill seeks to de­volve some items on the Ex­clusive Legislative List to the state. The implication, therefore, is that the items will be transferred from the Exclusive Legislative List to the Concurrent Legislative List. In other words, both the National and the state Assemblies can legislate on them.”

Also contributing to the debate, Rotimi Agunsonye and Nkem Abonta from Lagos and Abia states, re­spectively, spoke in favour of the Bill.

In the absence of any dissenting view, the bill was put to vote and got the support of majority of the members in plenary.

Source: https://www.independent.ng/constitution-amendment-reps-want-police-power-generation-to-leave-exclusive-list/

Why wouldn't they?

Im tired of wu flu threads news. Itsboring at this point. The memes are pretty funny though. Who cares if they come or go. Let them get their elected reps to speak on the matter.

knowledgeable:
Pure transformation.

Brother Udo, please don't listen to 'them' backward Africans commenting o..

Akwa Ibom have gotten the right infrastructural foundation going for her. One gigantic project one step at a time.. and watch the magic few years down the road.

Yes Udom the progressive African budgeting billions for a worship center. Akwa Ibom infrastructure would be much better if the state got it's priorities straight.

Gerrard59:
So it's now 5BN, I thought it was 9BN?

Well, I asked someone who works for the government who said the government wasn't the lead contributor rather various churches in the state are amongst the lead contributors. Now, I see something different?! At this stage of my life, nothing done by a Nigerian government surprises me anymore and I'm largely unfazed by their actions. I only thought that Udom would be different considering his profile but here we are.

Youre right it's actually more than the figure I posted. I made a mistake on the initial post. What's crazy is the stste government refused to reveal how much they recieved in donations. Even in court the declined to give the amount. The only impediment to these sort of projects is lawsuits from groups Athiest society of Nigeria.

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9jaRealist:
You simply keep repeating your incomprehensible and increasingly crude gibberish, so there’s not much else to add here...

*Ignore function activated*
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Lol even you get tired of lying and dancing over pennies unlike. I wouldn't expect considering your background. Send my best wishes to your family chief.

9jaRealist:
Will continue to decline to join you in the gutter of family insults...
It not only betrays your unsurprising lack of substance, but is ironically a poor reflection of your own family and the upbringing your suffered.
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Your family aren't the rent seekers your ranting about? Tell them to chsbge if you dont like their ways.

9jaRealist:
This dude keeps posting information that’s self-damaging...

Your own chart shows that electricity exports just to one country is the third-largest export item to that country...
But you’d rather we keep that electricity “stranded” (since we cannot distribute it), because you don’t know the value of an honest dollar? SMH
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Niger Republic is tiny fraction of overall trade even within Africa. Lol your dancing over few pennies you get from them really? Dont assume I your lame family that doesn't know the value of a dollar. The charts show it's pretty insignificant overall.

Didnt say you cant export power. It would be more beneficial to sell it domestically.

9jaRealist:
Not sure why this dude keeps editing his posts after response - to add even more self-defeating information...

Even merely looking at the numbers that you posted...
That’s about $130 million from Benin Rep and Niger in 2018 (excluding Togo).

How much are you getting from places like Zamfara State? SMH
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Lol you dont know these exports are pennies compared to other things Nigeria exports? In Niger Republics case it's less than tobacco. These exports to chump change Nigeria gets with other non oil exports. If Nigeria stopped wasting billions your ideas would be implemented faster. This walking over dollars to pick up pennies.

Zamfara is the poorest state with the smallest economy. I don't know how zamfara provides to Federation account.

9jaRealist:
Hang on to that Strawman...

I will ignore the childish insult directed at my family...
It merely betrays a lack of substance and a crude personal upbringing. SMH
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If you your mother is not a Nigerian rent seek? Who are you referring to then your father or siblings?

9jaRealist:
Yes, just about $100 million (N30 billion at official rate) is “pennies”...

Nigerian rent-seekers will never know what it means to earn an honest dollar! SMH
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Compared to billions the country is spending on fuel subsidy and defending currency yes. It's tiny compared to other imports Nigeria has. I agree it's a good chunk of change.

Lol you must be talking about your rent seeking mother.

NBS electricity exports data.
Benin Republic electricity exports: 
2016: 22,837,248,612.40
2017: 25,905,582,963.6
2018: 30,673,446,313.68
2019 Q1: 8,000,015,624.00

Niger Republic electrity exports:
2016: N6,474,560,157.81
2017: N8,376,834,776.72
2018: N9,745,275,417.55
2019: Q1 N2,243,558,858.50

9jaRealist:
Talk about the classic Strawman Argument...

Meanwhile, it takes droplets to add up to a flood...
Every bit of forex helps. If you have ever honestly earned money, you would know. SMH
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9jaRealist:
I must have a lot of spare time today, because I am here actually attempting to enlighten someone who actually think that a country that cannot domestically distribute all of the electricity it generates and transmits would be better off just adding to its so-called “stranded” electricity (that us, generable power that is not evacuated or distributed) rather than exporting some and earning even if small amounts of valuable forex. SMH

Too many Nigerians have never had to earn an honest living.
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Lol you're walking over dollars to pick up pennies. I agree every bit helps which why you dont waste what you already have. That's jow you achieve goals faster.

Lol you're too fond of strawmen liar. How does saying suppyling Nigerians would be more beneficial mean dont ever export? Maybe your mother is one people who never earned an honest living i dont know.

Next excuse.

9jaRealist:
Before you repost more gibberish...
As we have now understood your limited capacity for basic comprehension.

Nigeria reportedly has a nominal (theoretical) installed generation capacity of 13.5K MW of on-grid power, but it only have a generating capacity of about 7K MW of readily-evacuatable on-grid power. Further, Nigeria reportedly has a nominal transmission capacity of about 5-6K MW of on-grid power but has on average only been able to transmit in the region of 3-4K MW of power. Meanwhile, the DISCOs are usually able to take on average about 2-3K MW (the highest-ever reportedly being about 4K) from the transmission company (TCN). Accordingly, SELLING power to our neighbors is not why we do not have enough to go around domestically.

But know what we need to invest in needed generation, transmission and distribution upgrade badly needed in Nigeria: [b[HARD CURRENCY![/b]
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The tiny amounts of hard currency you're salivating over from these nations wont achieve your goal. If Nigeria stop wasting cash on fuel subsidy and defending currency with billions of dollars in hard currency it would achieve the same result. Supplying power to Nigerians wont stop Nigeria from achieving goal. As we agree Nigeria can walk and chew gum.

Next excuse.

Benin Republic electricity exports:
2016: 22,837,248,612.40
2017: 25,905,582,963.6
2018: 30,673,446,313.68
2019 Q1: 8,000,015,624.00

Niger Republic electrity exports:
2016: N6,474,560,157.81
2017: N8,376,834,776.72
2018: N9,745,275,417.55
2019: Q1 N2,243,558,858.50

9jaRealist:
Yet more unintelligible gibberish...

Nigeria can proverbially chew gum and walk at the same time...
Earning forex from electricity exports is NOT mutually-exclusive with supplying power to Nigerians. SMH
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I didn't claim it is mutually exclusive liar. Are You attacking strawman arguements because your previous lies got boring? I didnt say Nigeria shouldn't export power to countries keeping to the agreements you mentioned. Niger Republic does so the country under no obligation to supply them like you claimed.

I said it's more beneficial to supply Nigerians more power. The excuses you gave are dont cut it. It's the Nigerian government that choose to sell power at low prices domestically. Its no different from what they did in the fuel market. They just have adjust the policies.

Now lets hear your new excuses.

9jaRealist:
While repeating unintelligible gibberish is apparently your own mission in life?
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I can edit my post. You cant refute my facts. Again tag everyone in the thread so everyone can hear your lies. Your hard currency excuse doesn't cut it either. Nigeria could benefit more simply supplying power to Nigerians.

9jaRealist:
Well, the way you keep regurgitating and reposting the same gibberish, your EXPERTISE is undoubted...
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Repeating your lies to anyone who swallows them is your mission in life? Lol the agreement is not an exuse in Niger Republics case. Tag everyone in the thread so they all know hear.

Lol your hard currency excuse doesn't cut it either. Nigeria could benefit more simply supplying power to Nigeria domestically.

Only heathens eat bat soup. Dont @ me bst eaters.

9jaRealist:
Perhaps I just because I don’t understand gibberish...
But don’t get the point that you are struggling to make by posting and highlighting a post that reaffirms what I wrote. SMH
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9jaRealist:
Problem is that Nigeria agreed to provide some of these countries with electricity in EXCHANGE for them agreeing not to dam the River Niger upstream (which would adversely affect river flow to our major hydro plants).
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Lol maybe you're not playing dumb afterall. Take your time you'll eventually figure it out. You lied claiming the agreement is what forces Nigeria to sell power. The agreement is no longer a factor since they're violating every term of it. That excuse no longer makes sense.

If Nigeria wants to cut them off to supply Nigerians they can do so. They simply dont wish to at this time.

The Kandadji dam will be constructed on the Niger River, 187 and 489 kilometers upstream from the capital city, Niamey, and the Nigerian border respectively, and 60 km downstream from the Malian border.

https://www.worldbank.org/content/dam/photos/780x439/2020/jan-2/kandadji-project-04-780x439.png

According to Mamman, the power sale from Nigeria to Niger Republic was based on bilateral agreement on basis of the construction of dams along River Niger.

He noted that some concessions were given to some countries along River Niger for Nigeria to supply them power, adding that these countries are not allowed to construct dams along the waterways to allow Nigeria's hydropower plants to continue to function optimally.

Minister of Power, Mr. Sale Mamman

9jaRealist:
Not sure I am getting your point...
But can clearly see that you badly fail to understand my post.

Of course, one can always terminate or revise agreements as conditions warrant or change...
But I fail to see how that vitiates my clarification to those commenters wondering why we supply electricity to our neighbors. SMH
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Dont play dumb. Your excuse to why is false. Nigeria has no to obligation since they're not keep their end of the aggreement. They haven't paid bills and they're building a dam. Nigeria is simply doing this because they feel it's economically beneficial to supply them.

@9jaRealist edit post

According to Mamman, the power sale from Nigeria to Niger Republic was based on bilateral agreement on basis of the construction of dams along River Niger.

He noted that some concessions were given to some countries along River Niger for Nigeria to supply them power, adding that these countries are not allowed to construct dams along the waterways to allow Nigeria's hydropower plants to continue to function optimally.

Minister of Power, Mr. Sale Mamman

9jaRealist:
These agreements were made in the 1970s and 1980s when Nigeria had only 1 thermal and more than half of our power came from Kainji...
Accordingly, it is not rational to bemoan that we are supplying electricity to our neighbors without first satisfying our own domestic demand.

Furthermore, as I noted, these payments are made in HARD CURRENCY (and likely at more commercial rates than Nigerian domestic tariffs).
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They're free to break agreements because it was made in the 1970s. Lol was that written in the agreement? They clearly not paying up as you see with that bills snd they're building a dam.

According to Mamman, the power sale from Nigeria to Niger Republic was based on bilateral agreement on basis of the construction of dams along River Niger.

He noted that some concessions were given to some countries along River Niger for Nigeria to supply them power, adding that these countries are not allowed to construct dams along the waterways to allow Nigeria's hydropower plants to continue to function optimally.

Minister of Power, Mr. Sale Mamman