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I'd like to know how popular capital punishment is within Nigeria. I believe most arent in favor of abolishing it especially Muslims. It would say 55% in favor, 45% opposed and 5% no strong opinion. If you guys can at noipolls on Twitter and see if they will do a survey on it.

There’s a pressing need for criminal justice reform in Nigeria due to unaccountable executives, idle legislators, and faulty constitutional structures. The society must figure out if they believe the state should be trusted with the power to executive people. If the answer is yes, the process should be improved and governors delaying justice should not be tolerated. If the answer is no, reforms should be made to reflect that reality. There is a backlog in executions which increases prison congestion and unnecessary cost foisted on the federal government who must house and feed these inmates due to constitution constraints. State and federal legislators do have the option of solving these by simply removing redundancies or by eliminating the death penalty all together. The cost of housing prisoners should be left to the jurisdiction prosecuting the person hence the constitution should be amended moving prison out of the exclusive list.

Executions are currently being bottled necked by state governors who refuse to carry out the court’s judgements due to fears of wrongful convictions and suspicion of the court process as stated by Governor Ganduje. If they believed their own rhetoric on the subject, they would opt to commute the sentences or request their state’s assembly to abolish the capital punishment. The federal government should deduct those cost from the allocations those states since these altruistic governors are intentionally delaying justice and causing prison congestion. The best way to eliminate the bottle neck itself is to get the governors out of the execution process. Trial judges should simply be tasked with carrying out the process since they convicted the person after hearing all the evidence. They legislator will simply need to stipulate a time frame when execution date needs to be settled like 90 days after convictions barring any appeals in between.

The constitution needs amended so prisons are on the concurrent list. It will save the federal government money and to reflect the federal nature of Nigeria. Most capital crimes are state laws and not federal. It does not make sense to have a state courts, prosecutors and laws then send someone to federal prison when the federal government had no case with the person in question. States are increasingly passing laws that are not federal crimes like banning alcohol and open grazing. They are demanding a police force but not their own prisons oddly enough. The responsibility and cost of enforcing all these regulations should be on jurisdictions passing them. Doing this will free up federal funds for priority criminals.

Since Nigeria operates under federalism, it should be decided by the states whether to continue capital punishment. A national consensus on the issue isn’t necessary unless it is the federal government which is shared. It should also be up to the states how to figure out how to deal prison congestion since most of the prisoners are there for charges brought by their state. In the future states can set a recommended bail schedule for judges to use their discretion on. Since most prisoners are awaiting trial inmates it seems the system is flawed when it comes to getting out on bail for most accused persons. Lastly judges should give inmates time served while in jail during trial. Currently national assembly will need to take steps on this matter since prisons are in the exclusive list. The legislatures and courts can take a few proactive steps reform the justice system to make it more just and efficient.

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Why dont you guys vote to?

Anthropology says women prefer older guys because they looking for security. Older men offer than because they have resources. Its a time tested mating strategy to go after the men of higher status because they offer best benefits to them and potential offspring.

helinues:
Stop beating around the bush.. Meaning you have a contrary opinion

Blind man you have it backwards like usual. Baseless speculation means something not grounded on hard facts but on one's perceptions aka opinions. Now answer my questions you've been running away from helinues.

helinues:
Oya tell us the most peaceful region in the country according to you

Reread my last comment then answer my question.

helinues:
Logically , SW is the most peaceful region currently in Nigeria.

Mr Lai may be known as a liar , but this, he got it right with or without statistics. Except if you have contrary opinions

Logic based on what? Tell us what numbers you crunched in each region to arrive at your answer please. Personally I would assume the same but its simply a baseless speculation. The point is the stats are supposed so nobody isn't left with subjective opinions.

helinues:
Though statistics could make the statement more valid but that's still logical

Its just an unsubstantiated opinion from a known liar. He's also claiming the crime rate is going down and asking the media to spread propaganda for him. All everyone is going by is newspaper reports. If either claim is true it can easily be proven with the crime stats they have refused to release.

Lol Garba Shehu is out here asking the media to spread propaganda for him. Lol its funny how these claims are never quantified. If they're really interested in proving this they'd just show us how they year to year decline in crime. That in self would require they stop publishing these sloppy crime stats.

The President, Major General Muhammadu Buhari (retd.), has urged the media to address the tone, content, and standards of reporting into security and safety measures.

In a statement signed by the Senior Special Assistant to the President on Media and Publicity, Garba Shehu, on Monday, Buhari said the term “rising insecurity” should be replaced with the “reality of declining insecurity.”

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Who knows nobody keeps track of crime statistics in Nigeria. NBS stopped tracking it 2017. Even when they did it was lazily done because they didn't adjust for population. It should be reported on per 100k basis.

The last measure the NBS could improve is actually reported victimization rates by tribe, perpetrator by tribe, and if they're foreigners. Reporting race is pretty common in a lot of countries but since 99.9 of Nigeria are same race that be pointless.

https://www.nairaland.com/6470395/why-did-buhari-stop-tracking

onumadu:
I abandoned this thread because simpletons took it over. lol
There is a reason Economics is classified as a SOCIAL SCIENCE.
The world is NOT white or black. The world is a place of SHADES OF MANY COLOURS.
The greatest lie ever told is that COMPULSORY MONOGAMY= WEALTH AND DEVELOPMENT.
BTW what is "wealth"?

First you complain statistics aren't trustworthy now its economics is social science and not cant see grey when its literally all it does. Economics if you dont know is the study of how humans react to scarcity and the trade off that occur within. Lol COMPULSORY MONOGAMY= WEALTH AND DEVELOPMENT as compared to polygamy which has been proven with the numbers by what ever category you're going by. Lol its stated in the article polygamy is only one factor in poverty so you're making a strawman argument. Nobody sad MONOGAMY by itself will make you a wealthy society see all the 3rd world nations listed.

You don't even understand basic ideas like what is wealth is. I'm surprised you didn't ask what development is as well. Its really shocking you haven't figured this out yet or bothered to look it up.

The findings of Tertilt confirm this observation: “Enforcing monogamy reduces fertility by 40%, increases savings by 35%, and raises output per person by 140%. This suggests that although the practice of polygyny is certainly not the sole cause of poverty it might be an important contributing factor for the continuing underdevelopment of Sub-Saharan Africa.”

Abohboy:
It never specified an area most polygamous families live in rural villages and depend on subsitent farming meanwhile most monogamous families tend to live in the city and be middle class so unless the study specifies the wages or the area that each family lives in and the government facilities available to them e.g. Schools, hospitals, good roads, electricity then it isn't an actual based study but rather one clearly made to propagate an agenda

Did you read the study he was citing before making these claims on the main website. He sources and cited these things for you. Even when you account for them living in rural areas the monogamous couple still comes out on top. The study controlled for the factors you mentioned. You guys just make these lazy retorts even when some goes through the trouble of giving you all the sources to study.

We control for three groups of factors consistent with the multilevel structure of the data and the analytic strategy used in this study. First, we control for two country-level factors: gross domestic product (GDP) per capita and the proportion of a country’s population that is Muslim. It is expected that the country-level factors will have an independent effect on child mortality and will account for a substantial portion of the overall between-country variation in mortality levels and in the effect of polygyny. Second, we control for household socioeconomic status
(SES), education, and place of residence because polygynous families face potential dilution of resources, women in these households are more likely to be less educated, and most live in rural areas. Finally, the analysis includes four childlevel factors: gender, interbirth intervals, birthorder, and maternal age at child’s birth. These factors may affect child survival differently depending on the type of family structure. Regarding child’s gender, the data used here comprise countries of diverse cultures, and there may be child-care practices in different types of families that could result in mortality differentials by gender (e.g., Gillett-Netting & Perry, 2005).

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/249406242_Family_Structure_and_Child_Mortality_in_Sub-Saharan_Africa_Cross-National_Effects_of_Polygyny

Abohboy:
Try and learn about correlation and causation because clearly whoever wrote that article doesn't understand those things

Do they live in a rich area as most monogamous people do?
Is there an abundance of food in the areas where polygamy is practiced?
Are there schools where polygamy is mainly practiced?

The problem isn't polygamy but the government failing to provide fair development for all people

Lol your argument is more ridiculous than his. Its the government fault polygamy leads to lower economic outcomed compared to their monogamous peers even when adjusting for income. If the monogamous couples are more successful under the same conditions you're clearly wrong.

The three questions are you asked are silly when both live in the same country and areas. They aren't segregated from each other. Nobody said polygamy is the sole cause of poverty and social ills BTW.

Research reveals that in sub-Saharan Africa children in polygamous families are 24.4 times more likely to die when compared with children in monogamous families. Similarly, a study comparing the outcomes of children in polygamous families in Mali to their peers in monogamous families found that children in polygamous families are less likely to be enrolled in school. Furthermore, in Tanzania polygamy is a risk factor for poor nutritional status among children even when controlling for household wealth.

Abohboy:
When you're going to quote me later on i'd like to make it clear that Chief Timothy Adeola Odutola already had 2 wives before becoming extremely rich through his businesses this was when he was still trading damasks and fish in Lagos before expanding to Ogun and then manufacturing tyres and retreading tyres then came gold, palm oil, cocoa and the rest of the things but ultimately polygamy doesn't equate poverty

Lol so you're going to use the life of one man as refutation to the general trend? Lol the exception doesn't disprove the rule. The study with bigger sample sizes over multiple countries shows monogamy simply leads to better outcomes economicly. Again did you read the part that says polygamy isn't the sole factor in poverty?

Because under monogamous arrangements men are unlikely to pursue multiple women, they can divert more resources to productive investments, thereby boosting capital formation and economic growth. The findings of Tertilt confirm this observation: “Enforcing monogamy reduces fertility by 40%, increases savings by 35%, and raises output per person by 140%. This suggests that although the practice of polygyny is certainly not the sole cause of poverty it might be an important contributing factor for the continuing underdevelopment of Sub-Saharan Africa.”

SarkinYarki:
Nonsense the problem is not polygamy but Buhari ..Dig deep and figure

Typical foolish response from the guy who doesn't read before commenting. Lol I know you're trolling but whatever.

Research reveals that in sub-Saharan Africa children in polygamous families are 24.4 times more likely to die when compared with children in monogamous families. Similarly, a study comparing the outcomes of children in polygamous families in Mali to their peers in monogamous families found that children in polygamous families are less likely to be enrolled in school. Furthermore, in Tanzania polygamy is a risk factor for poor nutritional status among children even when controlling for household wealth.

BlackBaron:
Fantastic case study.
This thread should be pinned at the top of the page.

Emphasis especially should be the fallout that happens when the patriarch passes away.

That would be interesting especially considering alot these nations don't have welfare state to fall back on. If they don't have life insurance they'll have to depend on extended family system. Lol the mods ignored this thread since its not really gaining much natural traffic but it would great grounds for a flame war if brought to the front page.

Bluffly:
It is not about itemizing the hurdles but resolving the issues to making achievements realistic. Thailand solved theirs not that they lived with it, we can solve ours as well

You can't solve a problem you don't understand. Even your government now see that the lack of mechanized farming is the problem now. Farmers can't borrow because they poor and can't use land as collateral for said money. Governments can incentive importing farm equipment or manufacturing by making it easy to do so. If Nigeria has the same yield per acre as India the price would come down naturally and imports would decrease.

ArcSEMPECJ:
What's so special about foreign rice that our own rice farmers can't be equiped with to give the same quality??
Or are they of different species?
Can't those ones grow favourably in Nigeria?
Do those countries buy our own rice as well?

We claim we are independent but our brains and main power are still not independent of a neighbouring environment.....
Our Government is busy chasing clowns and shadows .

Bluffly:
If Self sufficiency is unrealistic, how is Thailand meeting up with these request from more than 4 countries

einsteine:
Nigeria can never be sufficient in rice production. Believe the FG propaganda at your own peril. Not in quantity, definitely not in quality can Nigeria meet up.

I'll give you guys a few hints. Ask yourself what percentage of farming is mechanized, how much of farming subsistence farming, how does the land use act effect farmers ability to borrow? These factors effect rise production. I could go but I already have threads I talked to boredom about the topic.

allthingsgood:
The problem is not polygamy per SE. The problem is how it's currently being practiced in this century. On the contrary, polygamy was a vehicle for wealth creation and growth in the past. Today, polygamy is practiced without discipline or responsibility.

In olden days men weren't marrying more women just cos of sexual urges, more women meant more children and more hands on the farm. Which equals greater wealth creation for the family.

Lol alot of things were useful before the industrial revolution. How would doing it your way get rid of resource delusion issue. The only way to remedy it would be getting very rich like Sanusi II before engaging in alot of wives.

SlyDev:
Polygamy is not the problem, a woman will give birth to same number of children as second wife or the only wife. You are looking at it from a man perspective

What's the benefits for women the author neglected to mention? He already mentioned the issues.

Perhaps a major reason for the diminished nutritional status of children in polygamous families is status inequality. First wives of polygamous husbands enjoy an elevated status and their children have access to better nutrition and are usually taller.

a review of ethnographic data from 69 non-sororal polygynous societies from around the globe reveals no case where co-wife relations could be described as harmonious, and no hint that women’s access to the means of production had any mitigating impact on conflict.”

onumadu:
Honestly this topic is way above your head, believe me.
You think the author is after some economic goal? lol
BTW you say the author is "libertarian"; show me an AFRICAN society that is libertarian.
You cannot talk about economic development without dealing with socio-cultural foundations first. Economy does not grow on trees!
The reason Western countries are progressing is because they first built everything on THEIR OWN socio-cultural foundations: they did not copy those basis from anyone. Heck, before the Europeans (Romans and others with Helenic basis) could even accept and convert to Christianity, they first forced polygamy practiced by the Israelites of the time out. They even coopted pagan culture into Christianity before they could accept it.
The English for example couldn't even accept ROMAN Catholicism; they had to form their own church.
What have all these to do with economics, you may ask?
EVERYTHING.
We are poor because we keep copying what others painstakingly built FOR THEMSELVES.
By 14 century, an African king was recognized as the richest man in the whole world. I bet you that his Mali was not a monogamous society.
And they were NOT poor.

The topic is above my head but you can't answer a basic question like where's the lie present without deflecting. Your asking me if the author is libertarian after making baseless accusations about his article? Asking if African society is libertarian is irrelevant. Adopting free markets doesn't require you to change every aspect of anyones culture. See Japan and the other Asian tiger economies. The most important factors geography, free markets, property rights and relative peace. Theres others obviously.

Lol but let's circle back to polygamy vs monogamy and ask what produces the better economic outcome and why. Tell us what lie was told by the author.

onumadu:
A famous Nigerian politician and Senator by the name of Dr Chuba Okadigbo made a quotable quote that has outlived him.
He said and I quote "Statistics is like a bikini. What it reveals is interesting; but it is what it does not reveal that is intriguing".

You are quoting statics dished out by people with an agenda. You can make statistics say whatever you want.

How to judge these things, as an AFRICAN, is to ask yourself a simple question:
Is your society which is getting more monogamous getting better: more - caring//kinder/more righteous; or is it getting worse: more -wicked/immoral/selfish/greedier/violent/intolerant?
I remember when I could go into my neighbors house and eat whatever any of his wives prepared and be sure that nothing will happen to me.
Today, I can't try it with my monogamous neighbor.

You can't point to any lie that you claimed were present. You're simply doubling down on claims the author has some nefarious agenda because he pointed out facts you don't like. The author is libertarian so the agenda is most likely spreading the ideology. Let's not pretend like you actually read about the author.

The society has been getting better economicly so there's nothing to debate there. It's interesting you want us to use subjective criteria we can't verify instead stats. Only crime can be measured easily. The rest is opinion that would have to be polled. Lol maybe you live in bad neighborhood. I dont feel unsafe around my neighbors or fear they'll steal my packages.

onumadu:
This is the greatest lie ever told.

What lie was told specifically? All the data is sourced and cited if you want to read the studies comparing monogamy to polygamy. Lol why do you guys like switching the argument to the low bar between polygamy and degeneracy instead monogamy itself?

• economic development is greater access to resources, increased productivity and increased standard of living. These pretty much amount to individuals gaining more options than would exist before said growth.

• Free market survive black swan events pretty well since they're self adjusting. That's not to say economic collapse is impossible.

horsepower102:
Polygamy and underage marriage of children is the root cause of Almajiri crisis in the north. You see extremely poor northerners with multiple children from various wives.

I think that has more to do with the cultures weird version of Islam. The Almajiri crisis is a west African phenomenon that isn't replicated in other Islamic nations. Those ones have the common sense to send their kids to school or hiring a tutor to learn Islam instead of turning them in dirty beggars.

Detuner:
While you fancy such society, their way of life is not based on moral or economic factor as you insinuate, it's just an European culture influence. Unlike in China, western countries do not have limit to the number of bastards a woman or man could beget, infact the govt encourages it.

If polygamy is a factor for poverty, then All countries where polygamy is practiced would be dirt poor. I think you are beating the wrong bush. Good leadership and corruption is our problem, not polygamy.

omoalaro:
What is the difference between polygamy and serial monogamy as practised by people like Pastor Okotie and FFK?
Who are those donating sperm for single mothers and pretending to be practicing monogamy.

Lol so you're arguing Monogamy > Polygamy > out of wedlock relationships in an economic sense. That's pretty true when u see the societal issues and economic effects of each when u compare it to each other. Polygamy is factor in poverty not the sole factor. You can also look at the prevalence by country. Even when comparing people in the same nation you see similar results.

Again why are you guys sensitive to empirical data? Its like you guys skip past the last paragraph to defend your lifestyle.

Corporate2020:
The writer is mad.

UAE, Saudi, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, e.t.c. practice polygamy, they are all successful nations. Even the writers has many brothers slaving in the Arab nations and sisters prostituting there. Polygamy kee you there.

aremuforlife:
Another data and thread to discredit polygamy and exonerate a society of man to man and woman to woman.
Same way they demonized our religion, just to exonerate theirs.

Lol why are guys mad when ever someone brings data against your world view. If you read the first paragraph you would know even though its allowed in alot of nations its mostly concentrated in few. Even among muslume countries its not that common according to pew research.

Do you really think the libertarians at the mises institute care what consenting adults do? The author even said its up to African to decide if the benefits of polygamy are worth the cost.

Many of the countries that permit polygamy have Muslim majorities, and the practice is rare in many of them. Fewer than 1% of Muslim men live with more than one spouse in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Iran and Egypt – all countries where the practice is legal at least for Muslims. Polygamy is also legal in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates and other neighboring

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/12/07/polygamy-is-rare-around-the-world-and-mostly-confined-to-a-few-regions/

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Lol it seems nairalanders who said polygamy leads to poverty in northern Nigeria were correct. They didn't need a study to but empirical data is always great to have. This study should be conducted by Nigerian universities aswell. I'm pretty sure productivity and wealth is higher among Muslims who choose monogamous relationships on average.

Though a rarity in most places, polygamy is pervasive in a batch of countries situated in West and Central Africa, including Burkino Faso (36 percent), Mali (34 percent), and Nigeria (38 percent). Economist James Fenske in a 2011 paper discussing polygamy in Africa provides some shocking statistics: “Of the nearly half a million women included in the data for this study, roughly 40% who first married in 1970 share their husband today, while for women who married in 2005, that number is closer to 15%.” A crucial observation is that the percentage of women in polygamous relationships has declined; however, at 15 percent this figure is still relatively high.

As such the persistence of polygamy in Africa has attracted the attention of economists who argue that polygamy is negatively associated with development. Michèle Tertilt (2003) observes that sub-Saharan African countries where polygyny is widespread are the poorest countries in the world, with their per capita gross domestic product (GDP) being 25 percent lower than those of other countries in the region and a mere 40 percent of the GDP of other monogamous countries located in the same latitude range. The explanation is that in such societies purchasing wives is indicative of high status and moreover the families of women gain financially when their suitors pay the bride-price. Hence reliance on the bride-price as a business strategy crowds out investment.

Because under monogamous arrangements men are unlikely to pursue multiple women, they can divert more resources to productive investments, thereby boosting capital formation and economic growth. The findings of Tertilt confirm this observation: “Enforcing monogamy reduces fertility by 40%, increases savings by 35%, and raises output per person by 140%. This suggests that although the practice of polygyny is certainly not the sole cause of poverty it might be an important contributing factor for the continuing underdevelopment of Sub-Saharan Africa.”

Another pathway by which polygamy inhibits development is the cost of childrearing. Analyses show that 20.3 percent of GDP is expended on producing children in the polygamous economy, whereas only 3.5 percent of resources are devoted to childrearing in the monogamous economy. Families are usually larger in polygamous societies, so raising children is a more expensive endeavor. Some scholars also posit that polygamy can result in resource dilution considering that a greater number of adults and children are being supported on a limited budget.

Research reveals that in sub-Saharan Africa children in polygamous families are 24.4 times more likely to die when compared with children in monogamous families. Similarly, a study comparing the outcomes of children in polygamous families in Mali to their peers in monogamous families found that children in polygamous families are less likely to be enrolled in school. Furthermore, in Tanzania polygamy is a risk factor for poor nutritional status among children even when controlling for household wealth.

Perhaps a major reason for the diminished nutritional status of children in polygamous families is status inequality. First wives of polygamous husbands enjoy an elevated status and their children have access to better nutrition and are usually taller. Closer analysis of polygamy indicates that its impact on growth operates via several channels. Health is associated with productivity; therefore, the subpar nutritional status of children raised in polygamous families suggests that this is a possible channel by which polygamy impedes growth.

Secondly, polygamy has the potential to increase intrahousehold conflict. In numerous African languages, the term cowife is equivalent to jealousy. Intense competition among cowives can create a ripple effect by inducing greater sibling rivalry and stress. Joseph Henrich, Robert Boyd, and Peter J. Richerson present a wealth of information articulating the propensity of polygamous unions for conflict: “From anthropology, a review of ethnographic data from 69 non-sororal polygynous societies from around the globe reveals no case where co-wife relations could be described as harmonious, and no hint that women’s access to the means of production had any mitigating impact on conflict.”

Unsurprisingly, a 2015 review found more mental health problems, social problems, and lower academic achievement for children and adolescents from polygamous than monogamous families. Social problems resulting from polygamy reflect deadweight costs. Resources spent to correct social ills or improve the academic performance of students could have been deployed elsewhere. Due to the prominence of polygamy in Africa, there is a possibility that its negative effects are magnified on the continent.

Indeed, using the economic approach pioneered by Tertilt, Africa will be better off without polygamy. However, ceasing polygamy must be the decision of Africans. Only Africans can decide if the pleasure derived from polygamy is worth the cost of lower economic growth.

https://mises.org/wire/polygamy-problem-economic-development

Click the link above to access the hyperlinks to all the sources cited.

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Enjoying his fabulous pension after leaving office.

Take custody of your kid and let her live her life. She clearly unstable and can't take of herself.

tonyson010:
More Nigerians who r not graduate supporting NYSC adds a debatable relevance to the research. Amongst 20 of my friends who did NYSC recently, more than 80% will see it as risk n waste of time.

We don't need fraud research to give credence to something that should either be stopped or remodeled to fit the present situation of the country.

I find it funny you can't understand why a high percentage people want to keep the program when you say it should be scrapped or remodeled. The second option is probably most peoples thoughts. Even if you disregard non graduates the opposition drops to 70% instead of 80%. Surveying them is revelant because they vote, pay taxes, and may want to engage in the program in the future.

The survey wasn't about changing your mind to begin with. BTW judging national opinions based on your 20 person friend group would lead to bigger bias. I agree it should be scrapped but it doesn't make our opinion the popular one especially when middle of the road options exist.

How is the study fraudulent? You never answered what changes are needed to be meet your expectations.

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tonyson010:
the research scope n methodology still remains faulty .
My questions were pointing to the fact that the research was not properly done and included non relevant samples.....it doesn't merit the inference *Nigerians* (except Nigeria start n end only in North East ).

Next time understand the point.

Lol your defense is makes less sense surprisingly. They sampled all parts of Nigeria so your last sentence is nonsense. What non revelant samples were included did they interview Brazilians? How was it conducted improperly and what improvements should be made?

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