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Valkrie:Thats not true. If any, it is a positive one imagine what would happen without religion? Religeon is as old as Man |
TATIME:And if God would give people probation, why will he bother people to go and die while preaching the gospel? |
Valkrie:Religion is not man made. What is the purpose? |
TATIME:God will judge according to the light they have been given. The Scriptural principle if someone lives up to the revealed truth God has already given, no matter how small, he will give them more to pursue until they come to a saving knowledge of him. Light obeyed increases more light. Obey what you know and he will give you understanding of what you don't know. God's grace is great and he does use a supernatural means to rescue people, whether it is an angel or by a missionary sent or directly by Himself. The purpose is to bring people to a saving faith for their sins to be forgiven Mt.13:12: “ For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but to whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away.” If we are teachable, it is profitable, “more will be given .” The condition of increase is by our hearts openness. If you do not respond correctly what light you have been given will be taken away. He who lays hold of truth and uses it will receive more enlightenment, but he who refuses to appropriate truth will lose even the understanding of truth he once had been given. But if someone does not live up to the light given there will be enough to judge them. When they have rejected the light already given, they will not receive any more light instead blindness sets in. John 12:46-48: “I have come as a light into the world, that whoever believes in Me should not abide in darkness. ” And if anyone hears My words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world” He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him-- the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.” They who have rejected God's salvation message have made themselves objects of God’s wrath by refusing the truth, they loved a lie in its place. What you think might happen or might not happen to someone else does not relieve your responsibility on Judgment Day. Although we might not be able to answer the question about those who haven’t heard to the satisfaction of everyone, there are certain things that the Bible has made clear. People who have never heard the gospel will not be judged by God because of the gospel, they will be judged because they are sinful. The gospel is there to cure their sin. It can be seen that God will fairly judge all mankind and that no one can claim that he or she received an unfair hearing. Therefore, the people who ask this question should be very careful not to use this as an excuse for themselves not coming to Christ. It is a fact that people willfully blind themselves. One person put it this way, “Many things in the Bible I cannot understand; many things in the Bible I only think I understand; but there are many things in the Bible I cannot misunderstand” (Anonymous). Mark Twain said, “Its not the things that I don't understand in the Bible that concerns me, but the things I do understand.” We will not be judged on what we do not know as much as we will be judged on what we do know. James 4:17: “Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin.” We are held accountable for what we do know by what we have seen in nature, His creation. So, what of the question of those who have not heard? Are they any less responsible than those who have heard? This cannot be used to relieve the individual of any personal responsibility to God and place it on someone else. To say “what if” is no excuse . Most of the people who say what of the other people have already heard the message of the gospel and rejected it' so they want to find a flaw in the character of God. When one understands there own true position, then the objection falls beyond debate. The writer to the Hebrews remarks, “How can we escape if we neglect so great a salvation?” (Heb. 2:3) Rom. 10:17-21: “So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God But I say, have they not heard? Yes indeed: “Their sound has gone out to all the earth, and their words to the ends of the world .” But I say, did Israel not know? First Moses says: “I will provoke you to jealousy by those who are not a nation, I will move you to anger by a foolish nation.” But Isaiah is very bold and says: “I was found by those who did not seek Me; I was made manifest to those who did not ask for Me.” But to Israel he says: “All day long I have stretched out My hands to a disobedient and contrary people.” Israel who was given the oracles, the prophets will be held to a higher standard than those on a remote island. To whom much is given much is required. Deut.29:29 says, “The secret things belong to God but those things revealed belong to us and our children.” 2 Cor.2:10-11: “But God has revealed them to us by his spirit, for the spirit searches all things, yes the deep things of God…Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God.” Again, God has not revealed all but we can trust His judgment completely because it is founded on mercy and motivated by love. Whatever He does will be perfect and just. |
TATIME:There is no proof of this in the Bible. Here is the truth on how God will judge those who have heard about Jesus and those who have not. In Romans 2:12-15 it states, “For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law; and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; for not the hearers of the Law are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified. For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law unto themselves, in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness, and their thoughts ultimately accusing or defending them. In the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel. ” |
Peacefullove:Very true. |
orisa37:Says who, God or man? |
TATIME:Romans 2:12 Contemporary English Version Those people who don't know about God's Law will still be punished for what they do wrong. And the Law will be used to judge everyone who knows what it says. Good News Translation The Gentiles do not have the Law of Moses; they sin and are lost apart from the Law. The Jews have the Law; they sin and are judged by the Law. Holman Christian Standard Bible All those who sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all those who sinned under the law will be judged by the law. International Standard Version For all who have sinned apart from the Law will also perish apart from the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law. NET Bible For all who have sinned apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law. New Heart English Bible For as many as have sinned without the law will also perish without the law. As many as have sinned under the law will be judged by the law. Aramaic Bible in Plain English For those who have sinned without The Written Law are also destroyed without The Written Law, and those who sinned with The Written Law will be judged by The Written Law. GOD'S WORD® Translation Here's the reason: Whoever sins without having laws from God will still be condemned to destruction. And whoever has laws from God and sins will still be judged by them. New American Standard 1977 For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law; and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; King James 2000 Bible For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; American King James Version For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; American Standard Version For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without the law: and as many as have sinned under the law shall be judged by the law; Douay-Rheims Bible For whosoever have sinned without the law, shall perish without the law; and whosoever have sinned in the law, shall be judged by the law. Darby Bible Translation For as many as have sinned without law shall perish also without law; and as many as have sinned under law shall be judged by law, English Revised Version For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned under law shall be judged by law; Webster's Bible Translation For as many as have sinned without law, shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law, shall be judged by the law, Weymouth New Testament For all who have sinned apart from the Law will also perish apart from the Law, and all who have sinned whilst living under the Law, will be judged by the Law. World English Bible For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without the law. As many as have sinned under the law will be judged by the law. Young's Literal Translation for as many as without law did sin, without law also shall perish, and as many as did sin in law, through law shall be judged, |
Image123:Am sure you did not know the truth on this issue till you read this post. |
TATIME:The answer is given to us in, Romans 2:12. For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; |
Valkrie:https://www.nairaland.com/4746846/lets-find-out-true-religeon |
Valkrie:Christianity is the only true religion. A lot people ask which religeon is the true one or do all religeons lead to the same God? how do we know which religeon is the true religeon? to answer this questions we will examine the beliefs & Views of 6 of the World largest religeons we then apply Logic/reasoning and physical and scientific evidence to know which of the religeons has the most truth and its Diety is the true one. 6*Buddhism:Is the 6th largest religeon with about 376million adherents. Buddhism teaches that the World was not created once upon a time but that the World has been created millions of times every seconds and will continue to do so by itself until it breaks away by itself They believe the begining of the World & life is inconceviable. questions about the eternity and infinity of the Universe are counted as unaswerable questions which the Buddha see as unproductive and useless for one to acheive enlightement. Buddha's believe in re-incarnation. 5*Chinese Traditional Religeon or Taoism(394million) : This is the World 5th largest religeon it has its origin in China. In Taoism creation account , in the begining of time there was only chaos, the Heavens mixed with the Earth organization in the Universe was sleeping in the chaos in the form of an egg. after about 18000yrs of incubation the egg hatched into pure elements called Heavens or Yang and less pure element called the Earth or Yin from the Yang & Yin a great gaint Pan Ku was born who with the assistance of a Phoenix ,Tortoise,Dragon & Unicorn shaped the World the way we know today. 4*Hinduism:Hinduism is the World 3rd largest religeon with 900million adherents in Hinduism there are no clear or consistent account of the origin of the life or the Universe some creation theories are life coming from the cracking of an enormous egg which is the life from which the Universe is born to accounts like Brahman seperating a flower into 3parts Heavens,Earth & Sky,In the hymn of creation from Rig Veda it is concluded that nobody knows how the Universe came into being and even questions weather Brahma knows. 3*Non-religeous group(secular,Agnostic,Atheist): This is the 3rd largest group With about 1.1billion adherents this group lacks a founder,religeous laws,or written scriptures no Diety is worshipped or recognised, non-religeous people support liberal views and believe that Man can over his challenges. non- religeous adherents believe the Universe came into existence through bigbang, while life originated through several natural process that later evolued to Humans they believe that Matter and Universe were always existing thus they are eternal. 2* Islam: is the World 2nd largest religeon with over 1.2billion adherents Islam was founded by prophet Muhammad.Islam is a monotheistic religeon, in Islam it is believed that the Universe was created by Allah it is also believed that Prophet Muhammed was influnced by Jews living in Arabia, this had much impact on his writings and stories in Quran, hence the source of some similarities with Bible stories. 1*Christainity:Is the World largest religeon with over 2.2billion adherents Christain beliefs and doctrine are based on the inspired word of God called the Bible Christains believe that Jesus is Son of God who died as a sacrifice for the sins of humanity, christains believe that God created the Universe by his power & wisdom & that Humans were made by God in his image. evil & suffering is seen as the consquences of sin. Adherents believe that God who is love,mercifull & just will destory evil & restore the Universe to one of peace & love Points to consider. We will now consider some established facts and evidence. 1.Matter & Universe 2.Origin of Life 3. Law & Order 4. Self Evidence and revelation 5. Authority 1. Scientists have discovered that our Universe has a begining, this implies that it was caused to exist and it is not eternal. This raises the question of weather mind (conscouisness) proceeded matter or matter proceed the mind. Applying logic will tell us that mind proceeded matter for nothing can come from nothing this point disqualifies the religeons & dieties of Taoism,Hinduism and non-religeous group as the true religeon or god since they hold the view that matter proceeds mind and the Universe and matter is eternal. 2.Origin of Life: The law of Abiogenesis states that life can only come from an existing life. Since mind proceeds matter the true diety must be self existent thus it does not require a source of life. This disqualifies the gods of Taoism,hinduism,buddhism & non- religeous religeons as the true god since they were either born (have a beginning) or got life from matter(non-living thing) This is illogical and Scienctifically impossible. 3.Law & Order:Scientist have observed that the Universe is controlled by certain set laws e.g the law of gravity,force, energy Atomicity, laws of space,e.t.c and constants that make life possible this is called The Anthropic Principle by Scientists. Law & order can only be insistuted by a mind or conscouisness who is the lawgiver, be it moral laws or natural laws This point disqualifies the gods of Taoism,budahism,hindisum since they have no laws or written scriptures it also disqualifies the non-religeous group as the true religeon as they lack written scriptures,a founder(mind or law giver) or established laws & Norms matter cannot insistute laws & order. 4.Self evidence & revelation: A major way to know and understand the real diety is by self evidence or revelations given to us by the diety, in Hinduism there is no clear or consistent account of the existence of a diety, in Taoism & Shinto there are no inspired written scriptures by the diety identifying himself and revealing his Character, nature,Power and its purpose for mankind This point also disqualifies non-religeous group as natural processes reveal/ show evidence of design rather than random events. 5.Authority: As a supreme being a true diety would excerise its authorithes over the entire Universe and its inhabitant,the true god will claim ownership, issue commands and decree as well as pass judgements. In Shinto & Taoism the diety Pan ku after 18000yrs of creating and building the World died and their are no written scriptures that express the authority and power of the diety Pan Kung and Shinto this point also disqulifies the gods of buddahism & hinduism. Another argument against buddhism & hinduism is that the Universe undergoing an infinite series of births and death is impossible as each cycle must have less energy avialable than the last and if it has been happening for eternity everything and person would have been dead. Examining the Christain Diety(God) *Matter & Universe: Since the Universe have been proven to have a begining then it must have been started by an uncaused mind or being Isaiah 57:15 For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth ETERNITY, whose name is Holy. Colossians 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. Secondly We all agree that nothing can come from nothing then matter must have been made from invisible things and not from things seen The bible God gives us the answer. Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse. 1 Timothy 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen. *Law & Order:this requires a law giver the Christain God gives us the answer. Isaiah 33:22 For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us. In Jeremiah 33:25 Thus saith the LORD; If my covenant be not with day and night, and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth; Job 38:33 Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth? and also in Jeremiah 31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name. *Origin of Life:The law of Abiogenesis has never been disproved that means life must have come from an uncaused life The Christain diety reveals itself as the only being who has life inherently. John 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; *Self evidence & Revelation. The bible the inspired word of God reveals several scientific facts about the Universe thousands of years before science could have known them eg water cycle,Job 36:27-28, expanding Universe, Psalms 104:2 ,Earth suspended in space,Job 26:7, Shape of the Earth, Isaiah 40:22 Wind cycles,Ecclesiastes 1:6, genetics, Genesis 30 ,Laws of the Universe, Size of the Universe Jeremiah 31:37, Number of Stars, Jeremiah 33:22, Space travel. The bible also fortells of future events thousands of years before they were fufilled it also declear how the Universe was made. All through the Bible the character of God is been revealed as merciful,kind,Righteous and just. Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: *Authority: God through the Bible declears himself as the sole creator and sustainer of the Universe and commands his creatures to Worship and adore him. Exodus 34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God: 1 Chronicles 16:26 For all the gods of the people are idols: but the LORD made the heavens. Isaiah 45:12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. 1 Chronicles 16:26 For all the gods of the people are idols: but the LORD made the heavens. Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else. *Consistent & verifiable:The bible writings and record are consistent (every part of the bible agrees with each other)The bible is the only book that provides answers to man's problem & questions, many stories events and personalities in the bible have been verified and confirmed to have happened or existed by Archaeologists and historians In Conclusion After considering the facts with the physical and scientific evidence available it becomes clear that Christainity is the only religeon that meets and fufills all the points we raised only christainity has absolute truth in it, while islam and Quran share certain Christain views, it is known to have many inconsistent and unproven facts. God is the only true God who alone made the Heavens and Earth every other gods and their religeons are nothing but myths and human inventions. |
TATIME:you are twisting Bible verses to suit your false doctrine. Something as important and significant like this would have been mentioned clearly by God. Why did God destroy Sodom and Gomarrah? |
sonmvayina:There are no facts or evidence to back the statement just blind comment. |
Peacefullove:True. Their ignorance and blind argument is epic. |
sonmvayina:Keep fooling yourself. A bird claiming that it is a lion even for 10000yrs will not make it become one. |
sonmvayina:Are you running away from the question? Mr god. |
Maximus69:There is no probation after death. Ezekiel 3:18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 3:19 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul. 3:20 Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumbling-block before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 3:21 Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul. |
Maximus69:That not true.. Imagine the Bible says that the righteous will be scarcely delivered how much more the unrighteous. You can see their is no probation. ◄ 1 Peter 4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? |
sonmvayina:This is the dumbmest. answer I have ever heard. |
Valkrie:Thats the reason why Africa was undeveloped and still a 3rd World Continent. |
Image123:Where did I write such? |
sonmvayina:What makes you a god? |
Olusola101990:Your coaching skills sucks. |
Maximus69:The Bible mentions only 2 resurrection. 1 for the just and the other for the unjust. No where does the Bible mention resurrection for probation. Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. Either one awakes from death to everlasting life or one awakes to shame and contempt. There is no middle ground. |
sonmvayina:You are not gods. |
Maximus69:More false teachings as usual. |
Maximus69:You are twisting Bible facts and meanings to suit your false doctrine. What you wrote totally contradicts God's word. |
Maximus69: Back to News Archives Have you heard of the millennium—the 1,000 years of peace prophesied in the Bible to happen at the end of time? There are a lot of viewpoints on this period of time, but only one is biblical. Is there peace on earth? Are the wicked converted? Where is Jesus? Let's dig into the Word and find out! Question: What happens at the start of the 1,000-year period? "These came to life again and reigned with Christ for a thousand years" (Revelation 20:4). Answer: A resurrection begins the 1,000-year period. Question: What other events mark the beginning of the millennium? "Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him" (Revelation 1:7). "The Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, ... and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air" (1 Thessalonians 4:16, 17). "There was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent [58 to 100 pounds] " (Revelation 16:18, 20, 21). Answer: At the start of the 1,000 years, the most devastating earthquake and hailstorm in history strike the earth; Jesus returns in the clouds for His people; and all the saints are caught up into the air to meet Jesus. Question: Many believe the unsaved will have an opportunity to repent during the 1,000 years. What does the Bible say about this? "The slain of the Lord shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground" (Jeremiah 25:33). Answer: It is impossible for any person to repent during the 1,000 years because there will not be a person alive on earth. The righteous will all be in heaven. All the wicked will be lying dead upon the earth. Revelation 22:11, 12 makes it clear that the case of every person is closed before Jesus returns. Those who wait to accept Christ until the 1,000 years begin will have waited too long. |
Maximus69:You have changed the meaning of unrighteous. Unrighteous has no other meaning than someone who is unholy or lives a sinful life. The 2nd resurrection occurs at the end of 1000yrs not during it. Revelation 20:5. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were FINISHED. This is the first resurrection. So they cannot be the subjects during the 1000yrs. |
Maximus69:People will be judged based on their conscience. Romans 2:12, ESV : "For all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law." The bible says after death is judgment not probation. The problem is that you just lift a bible verse and use it to make your conclusion rather than look at all the Bible verses that are related to the matter before you make your conclusion. https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/study-guide/e/4989/t/1000-years-of-peace |
Maximus69:God is not interested in how popular an opinion is, what matters to God is his word. The bible is filled with prophecy of God's word been set aside for teachings and doctrines which are not true. Prophets like Jeremiah, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Hosea, and many others had difficult changing the mind of people to the true word of God. Stop deceiving yourself by believing that a teaching will be true because it is popular. A teacher is only true be cos it is in line with God's word. |
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