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Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op):
Valkrie:
Control and nothing more bro..

You think people go to church and mosque because they love Mohammed and Jesus? Nope..they go there so they don't get burnt in everlasting fire on the last day and also reap reward at the end should they abide by the rules set...!!

Discount the fire from religion and you would see what happens ..
Thats not true.

If any, it is a positive one imagine what would happen without religion?

Religeon is as old as Man
Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 9:54pm On Mar 01, 2020
TATIME:
If God will declare some people righteous WITHOUT THE TEACHING OF JESUS, then what did Jesus send his followers to go and TEACH people in the MOST DISTANT PART OF THE EARTH? Matthew 28:19-20;Act 1:8 undecided
And if God would give people probation, why will he bother people to go and die while preaching the gospel?
Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 9:42pm On Mar 01, 2020
Valkrie:
I would simply just re-emphasize, religion is man made and no religion is more truthful than the other, all are created to achieve certain purpose and nothing more....
Religion is not man made.

What is the purpose?
Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 9:44am On Mar 01, 2020
TATIME:
Peter is talking about Christians who will teach others God's righteous decrees after this generation is wiped out! But anyone who doesn't know what Jesus (God's son) taught can't gain everlasting life because it's ONLY on the basis of Jesus' teachings that all must be saved! When God's word said "at the mention of Jesus' name every knee MUST bow" this means whoever is going to live forever in Paradise must BOW to Jesus' orders! Please how can those who only live by their own conscience gain that?

THAT'S WHY THERE IS GOING TO BE A PROBATION under which they'll be given the opportunity to exercise faith in what Jesus taught or they'll return to non-existence! Revelations 20:13-15
God will judge according to the light they have been given. The
Scriptural principle if someone lives up to the revealed truth
God has already given, no matter how small, he will give them
more to pursue until they come to a saving knowledge of him.
Light obeyed increases more light. Obey what you know and
he will give you understanding of what you don't know. God's
grace is great and he does use a supernatural means to
rescue people, whether it is an angel or by a missionary sent
or directly by Himself. The purpose is to bring people to a
saving faith for their sins to be forgiven
Mt.13:12: “ For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he
will have abundance; but to whoever does not have, even what
he has will be taken away.” If we are teachable, it is profitable,
“more will be given .” The condition of increase is by our hearts
openness. If you do not respond correctly what light you have
been given will be taken away. He who lays hold of truth and
uses it will receive more enlightenment, but he who refuses to
appropriate truth will lose even the understanding of truth he
once had been given. But if someone does not live up to the
light given there will be enough to judge them. When they have
rejected the light already given, they will not receive any more
light instead blindness sets in. John 12:46-48: “I have come as
a light into the world, that whoever believes in Me should not
abide in darkness. ” And if anyone hears My words and does
not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge
the world but to save the world” He who rejects Me, and does
not receive My words, has that which judges him-- the word
that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.” They who
have rejected God's salvation message have made themselves
objects of God’s wrath by refusing the truth, they loved a lie in
its place.
What you think might happen or might not happen to someone
else does not relieve your responsibility on Judgment Day.
Although we might not be able to answer the question about
those who haven’t heard to the satisfaction of everyone, there
are certain things that the Bible has made clear.
People who have never heard the gospel will not be judged by
God because of the gospel, they will be judged because they
are sinful. The gospel is there to cure their sin. It can be seen
that God will fairly judge all mankind and that no one can
claim that he or she received an unfair hearing. Therefore, the
people who ask this question should be very careful not to use
this as an excuse for themselves not coming to Christ. It is a
fact that people willfully blind themselves.
One person put it this way, “Many things in the Bible I cannot
understand; many things in the Bible I only think I understand;
but there are many things in the Bible I cannot
misunderstand” (Anonymous). Mark Twain said, “Its not the
things that I don't understand in the Bible that concerns me,
but the things I do understand.” We will not be judged on what
we do not know as much as we will be judged on what we do
know. James 4:17: “Therefore, to him who knows to do good
and does not do it, to him it is sin.” We are held accountable
for what we do know by what we have seen in nature, His
creation.
So, what of the question of those who have not heard? Are
they any less responsible than those who have heard? This
cannot be used to relieve the individual of any personal
responsibility to God and place it on someone else. To say
“what if” is no excuse . Most of the people who say what of
the other people have already heard the message of the
gospel and rejected it' so they want to find a flaw in the
character of God. When one understands there own true
position, then the objection falls beyond debate. The writer to
the Hebrews remarks, “How can we escape if we neglect so
great a salvation?” (Heb. 2:3) Rom. 10:17-21: “So then faith
comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God But I say,
have they not heard? Yes indeed: “Their sound has gone out to
all the earth, and their words to the ends of the world .”
But I say, did Israel not know? First Moses says: “I will
provoke you to jealousy by those who are not a nation, I will
move you to anger by a foolish nation.” But Isaiah is very bold
and says: “I was found by those who did not seek Me; I was
made manifest to those who did not ask for Me.” But to Israel
he says: “All day long I have stretched out My hands to a
disobedient and contrary people.” Israel who was given the
oracles, the prophets will be held to a higher standard than
those on a remote island. To whom much is given much is
required.
Deut.29:29 says, “The secret things belong to God but those
things revealed belong to us and our children.” 2 Cor.2:10-11:
“But God has revealed them to us by his spirit, for the spirit
searches all things, yes the deep things of God…Even so no one
knows the things of God except the Spirit of God.”
Again, God has not revealed all but we can trust His judgment
completely because it is founded on mercy and motivated by
love. Whatever He does will be perfect and just.
Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 9:33am On Mar 01, 2020
TATIME:
Peter is talking about Christians who will teach others God's righteous decrees after this generation is wiped out! But anyone who doesn't know what Jesus (God's son) taught can't gain everlasting life because it's ONLY on the basis of Jesus' teachings that all must be saved! When God's word said "at the mention of Jesus' name every knee MUST bow" this means whoever is going to live forever in Paradise must BOW to Jesus' orders! Please how can those who only live by their own conscience gain that?

THAT'S WHY THERE IS GOING TO BE A PROBATION under which they'll be given the opportunity to exercise faith in what Jesus taught or they'll return to non-existence! Revelations 20:13-15
There is no proof of this in the Bible.

Here is the truth on how God will judge those who have heard about Jesus and those who have not.

In Romans 2:12-15 it states, “For all who have sinned without
the Law will also perish without the Law; and all who have
sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; for not the
hearers of the Law are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified. For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law unto themselves, in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness, and their thoughts ultimately accusing or defending them. In the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel. ”
Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 9:30am On Mar 01, 2020
Peacefullove:
If your postulatiom that doctrine isn't important is correct, Jesus won't have told his disciples to be careful of the doctrines of the Pharisees. Lesson: what you belief matters.


In fact, if you believe in an undying human soul, You can't believe Jesus died for mankind.
Very true.
Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 9:28am On Mar 01, 2020
orisa37:
All of us are made of FOUR LIVING CREATURES OF GOD. THEY'RE FOUR SPIRITS AND ALL HAVE ETERNAL DAMNATION OR LIFE AS THE LORD PLEASES.
Says who, God or man?
Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 9:17am On Mar 01, 2020
TATIME:
This is where you're getting it wrong!

God sent out his servants to WARN wicked people, for what purpose?
To repent of their evil deeds!
Who will tell them God's standards for right and wrong?
His appointed servants!
On what basis will they be evaluated?
On the basis of God's righteous decrees!
Now if someone never knew God's righteous decrees but lived only by what he feels as good or bad, how do you think such a person can qualify for the righteousness of God? undecided undecided undecided
Romans 2:12

Contemporary English Version
Those people who don't know about God's Law will still be
punished for what they do wrong. And the Law will be used to
judge everyone who knows what it says.
Good News Translation
The Gentiles do not have the Law of Moses; they sin and are
lost apart from the Law. The Jews have the Law; they sin and
are judged by the Law.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
All those who sinned without the law will also perish without
the law, and all those who sinned under the law will be judged
by the law.
International Standard Version
For all who have sinned apart from the Law will also perish
apart from the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law
will be judged by the Law.
NET Bible
For all who have sinned apart from the law will also perish
apart from the law, and all who have sinned under the law will
be judged by the law.
New Heart English Bible
For as many as have sinned without the law will also perish
without the law. As many as have sinned under the law will be
judged by the law.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
For those who have sinned without The Written Law are also
destroyed without The Written Law, and those who sinned with
The Written Law will be judged by The Written Law.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
Here's the reason: Whoever sins without having laws from God
will still be condemned to destruction. And whoever has laws
from God and sins will still be judged by them.
New American Standard 1977
For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish
without the Law; and all who have sinned under the Law will
be judged by the Law;
King James 2000 Bible
For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish
without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be
judged by the law;
American King James Version
For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish
without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be
judged by the law;
American Standard Version
For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish
without the law: and as many as have sinned under the law
shall be judged by the law;
Douay-Rheims Bible
For whosoever have sinned without the law, shall perish
without the law; and whosoever have sinned in the law, shall
be judged by the law.
Darby Bible Translation
For as many as have sinned without law shall perish also
without law; and as many as have sinned under law shall be
judged by law,
English Revised Version
For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish
without law: and as many as have sinned under law shall be
judged by law;
Webster's Bible Translation
For as many as have sinned without law, shall also perish
without law: and as many as have sinned in the law, shall be
judged by the law,
Weymouth New Testament
For all who have sinned apart from the Law will also perish
apart from the Law, and all who have sinned whilst living
under the Law, will be judged by the Law.
World English Bible
For as many as have sinned without law will also perish
without the law. As many as have sinned under the law will be
judged by the law.
Young's Literal Translation
for as many as without law did sin, without law also shall
perish, and as many as did sin in law, through law shall be
judged,
Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 9:17am On Mar 01, 2020
Image123:
Oh, brainy theology of whether spirit or soul go to Heaven is what determines eternal destiny?
Am sure you did not know the truth on this issue till you read this post.
Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 9:16am On Mar 01, 2020
TATIME:
This is where you're getting it wrong!

God sent out his servants to WARN wicked people, for what purpose?
To repent of their evil deeds!
Who will tell them God's standards for right and wrong?
His appointed servants!
On what basis will they be evaluated?
On the basis of God's righteous decrees!
Now if someone never knew God's righteous decrees but lived only by what he feels as good or bad, how do you think such a person can qualify for the righteousness of God? undecided undecided undecided
The answer is given to us in,
Romans 2:12.
For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish
without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be
judged by the law;
Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 9:13am On Mar 01, 2020
Valkrie:
Guy don't get confused...the concept of heaven and hell came totally from the Abrahamic religion to keep people like you in check 24/7 so you don't misbehave and question what they are teaching you....

From the African perspective and religion, what we have is the ancestral planes and got nothing to do with burning anybody inside fire because they don't believe in one European character is their Lord and saviour..

Let me stop here for now...
https://www.nairaland.com/4746846/lets-find-out-true-religeon
Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 9:12am On Mar 01, 2020
Valkrie:
Guy don't get confused...the concept of heaven and hell came totally from the Abrahamic religion to keep people like you in check 24/7 so you don't misbehave and question what they are teaching you....

From the African perspective and religion, what we have is the ancestral planes and got nothing to do with burning anybody inside fire because they don't believe in one European character is their Lord and saviour..

Let me stop here for now...
Christianity is the only true religion.

A lot people ask which religeon is the true one or do all
religeons lead to the same God? how do we know which
religeon is the true religeon? to answer this questions we will
examine the beliefs & Views of 6 of the World largest religeons
we then apply Logic/reasoning and physical and scientific
evidence to know which of the religeons has the most truth
and its Diety is the true one.
6*Buddhism:Is the 6th largest religeon with about 376million
adherents. Buddhism teaches that the World was not created
once upon a time but that the World has been created millions
of times every seconds and will continue to do so by itself
until it breaks away by itself They believe the begining of the
World & life is inconceviable. questions about the eternity and
infinity of the Universe are counted as unaswerable questions
which the Buddha see as unproductive and useless for one to
acheive enlightement. Buddha's believe in re-incarnation.
5*Chinese Traditional Religeon or Taoism(394million) : This is
the World 5th largest religeon it has its origin in China. In
Taoism creation account , in the begining of time there was
only chaos, the Heavens mixed with the Earth organization in
the Universe was sleeping in the chaos in the form of an egg.
after about 18000yrs of incubation the egg hatched into pure
elements called Heavens or Yang and less pure element called
the Earth or Yin from the Yang & Yin a great gaint Pan Ku was
born who with the assistance of a Phoenix ,Tortoise,Dragon &
Unicorn shaped the World the way we know today.
4*Hinduism:Hinduism is the World 3rd largest religeon with
900million adherents in Hinduism there are no clear or
consistent account of the origin of the life or the Universe
some creation theories are life coming from the cracking of an
enormous egg which is the life from which the Universe is born
to accounts like Brahman seperating a flower into 3parts
Heavens,Earth & Sky,In the hymn of creation from Rig Veda it
is concluded that nobody knows how the Universe came into
being and even questions weather Brahma knows.
3*Non-religeous group(secular,Agnostic,Atheist): This is the
3rd largest group With about 1.1billion adherents this group
lacks a founder,religeous laws,or written scriptures no Diety is
worshipped or recognised, non-religeous people support liberal
views and believe that Man can over his challenges. non-
religeous adherents believe the Universe came into existence
through bigbang, while life originated through several natural
process that later evolued to Humans they believe that Matter
and Universe were always existing thus they are eternal.
2* Islam: is the World 2nd largest religeon with over 1.2billion
adherents Islam was founded by prophet Muhammad.Islam is
a monotheistic religeon, in Islam it is believed that the
Universe was created by Allah it is also believed that Prophet
Muhammed was influnced by Jews living in Arabia, this had
much impact on his writings and stories in Quran, hence the
source of some similarities with Bible stories.
1*Christainity:Is the World largest religeon with over 2.2billion
adherents Christain beliefs and doctrine are based on the
inspired word of God called the Bible Christains believe that
Jesus is Son of God who died as a sacrifice for the sins of
humanity, christains believe that God created the Universe by
his power & wisdom & that Humans were made by God in his
image. evil & suffering is seen as the consquences of sin.
Adherents believe that God who is love,mercifull & just will
destory evil & restore the Universe to one of peace & love
Points to consider.
We will now consider some established facts and evidence.
1.Matter & Universe
2.Origin of Life
3. Law & Order
4. Self Evidence and revelation
5. Authority
1. Scientists have discovered that our Universe has a begining,
this implies that it was caused to exist and it is not eternal.
This raises the question of weather mind (conscouisness)
proceeded matter or matter proceed the mind.
Applying logic will tell us that mind proceeded matter for
nothing can come from nothing this point disqualifies the
religeons & dieties of Taoism,Hinduism and non-religeous
group as the true religeon or god since they hold the view that
matter proceeds mind and the Universe and matter is eternal.
2.Origin of Life: The law of Abiogenesis states that life can
only come from an existing life.
Since mind proceeds matter the true diety must be self
existent thus it does not require a source of life. This
disqualifies the gods of Taoism,hinduism,buddhism & non-
religeous religeons as the true god since they were either born
(have a beginning) or got life from matter(non-living thing)
This is illogical and Scienctifically impossible.
3.Law & Order:Scientist have observed that the Universe is
controlled by certain set laws e.g the law of gravity,force,
energy Atomicity, laws of space,e.t.c and constants that make
life possible this is called The Anthropic Principle by Scientists.
Law & order can only be insistuted by a mind or
conscouisness who is the lawgiver, be it moral laws or natural
laws This point disqualifies the gods of
Taoism,budahism,hindisum since they have no laws or written
scriptures it also disqualifies the non-religeous group as the
true religeon as they lack written scriptures,a founder(mind or
law giver) or established laws & Norms matter cannot insistute
laws & order.
4.Self evidence & revelation:
A major way to know and understand the real diety is by self
evidence or revelations given to us by the diety, in Hinduism
there is no clear or consistent account of the existence of a
diety, in Taoism & Shinto there are no inspired written
scriptures by the diety identifying himself and revealing his
Character, nature,Power and its purpose for mankind
This point also disqualifies non-religeous group as natural
processes reveal/ show evidence of design rather than
random events.
5.Authority: As a supreme being a true diety would excerise its
authorithes over the entire Universe and its inhabitant,the true
god will claim ownership, issue commands and decree as well
as pass judgements.
In Shinto & Taoism the diety Pan ku after 18000yrs of creating
and building the World died and their are no written scriptures
that express the authority and power of the diety Pan Kung
and Shinto this point also disqulifies the gods of buddahism &
hinduism.
Another argument against buddhism & hinduism is that the
Universe undergoing an infinite series of births and death is
impossible as each cycle must have less energy avialable than
the last and if it has been happening for eternity everything
and person would have been dead.
Examining the Christain Diety(God)
*Matter & Universe: Since the Universe have been proven to
have a begining then it must have been started by an
uncaused mind or being
Isaiah 57:15 For thus saith the high and lofty One that
inhabiteth ETERNITY, whose name is Holy.
Colossians 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all
things consist.
Secondly We all agree that nothing can come from nothing
then matter must have been made from invisible things and
not from things seen The bible God gives us the answer.
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the
earth. Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning
and the end, the first and the last. Romans 1:20 For the
invisible things of him from the creation of the world are
clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made,
even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without
excuse.
1 Timothy 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible,
the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever.
Amen.
*Law & Order:this requires a law giver the Christain God gives
us the answer.
Isaiah 33:22 For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our
lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us.
In Jeremiah 33:25 Thus saith the LORD; If my covenant be not
with day and night, and if I have
not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth;
Job 38:33 Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou
set the dominion thereof in
the earth? and also in Jeremiah 31:35 Thus saith the LORD,
which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of
the moon and of the stars
for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves
thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name.
*Origin of Life:The law of Abiogenesis has never been
disproved that means life must have come from an uncaused
life
The Christain diety reveals itself as the only being who has life
inherently. John 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light
of men. John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so
hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
*Self evidence & Revelation. The bible the inspired word of
God reveals several scientific facts about the Universe
thousands of years before science could have known them eg
water cycle,Job 36:27-28, expanding Universe, Psalms
104:2 ,Earth suspended in space,Job 26:7, Shape of the Earth,
Isaiah 40:22
Wind cycles,Ecclesiastes 1:6, genetics, Genesis 30 ,Laws of
the Universe, Size of the Universe Jeremiah 31:37, Number of
Stars, Jeremiah 33:22, Space travel.
The bible also fortells of future events thousands of years
before they were fufilled it also declear how the Universe was
made. All through the Bible the character of God is been
revealed as merciful,kind,Righteous and just.
Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from
ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My
counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
*Authority: God through the Bible declears himself as the sole
creator and sustainer of the Universe and commands his
creatures to Worship and adore him.
Exodus 34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the
LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:
1 Chronicles 16:26 For all the gods of the people are idols: but
the LORD made the heavens. Isaiah 45:12 I have made the
earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have
stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I
commanded.
1 Chronicles 16:26 For all the gods of the people are idols: but
the LORD made the heavens. Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the
LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the
earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in
vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is
none else.
*Consistent & verifiable:The bible writings and record are
consistent (every part of the bible agrees with each other)The
bible is the only book that provides answers to man's problem
& questions, many stories events and personalities in the bible
have been verified and confirmed to have happened or existed
by Archaeologists and historians
In Conclusion
After considering the facts with the physical and scientific
evidence available it becomes clear that Christainity is the
only religeon that meets and fufills all the points we raised only
christainity has absolute truth in it, while islam and Quran
share certain Christain views, it is known to have many
inconsistent and unproven facts.
God is the only true God who alone made the Heavens and
Earth every other gods and their religeons are nothing but
myths and human inventions.
Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 9:11am On Mar 01, 2020
TATIME:
Peter is talking about Christians who will teach others God's righteous decrees after this generation is wiped out! But anyone who doesn't know what Jesus (God's son) taught can't gain everlasting life because it's ONLY on the basis of Jesus' teachings that all must be saved! When God's word said "at the mention of Jesus' name every knee MUST bow" this means whoever is going to live forever in Paradise must BOW to Jesus' orders! Please how can those who only live by their own conscience gain that?

THAT'S WHY THERE IS GOING TO BE A PROBATION under which they'll be given the opportunity to exercise faith in what Jesus taught or they'll return to non-existence! Revelations 20:13-15
you are twisting Bible verses to suit your false doctrine.

Something as important and significant like this would have been mentioned clearly by God.
Why did God destroy Sodom and Gomarrah?
Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 9:08am On Mar 01, 2020
sonmvayina:
Why do you think so,?
There are no facts or evidence to back the statement just blind comment.
Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 9:08am On Mar 01, 2020
Peacefullove:
He go still argue, tell am say going by his words, it means everyone either good or wicked will go to heaven, or does Eccl 12:7 differentiate Good from bad spirit ? Isn't that enough for a reasonable person to know spirit there is breath ?
True.

Their ignorance and blind argument is epic.
Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 9:06am On Mar 01, 2020
sonmvayina:
Well, this defines me..
Keep fooling yourself.

A bird claiming that it is a lion even for 10000yrs will not make it become one.
Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 6:41am On Mar 01, 2020
sonmvayina:
I won't be drawn into this with you... Just keep wallowing in your ignorance..
Are you running away from the question?
Mr god.
Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 6:41am On Mar 01, 2020
Maximus69:
UNRIGHTEOUS means those who ignore or don't know God's righteous decrees, God's word said "human's righteousness is like filthy rags before God" so no one can be declared righteous on the bases of such filthy rags! sad

Of course they're all alive and NOT dead because they've been resurrected to be ruled by those who are serving as their priests and kings in heaven! smiley

But when the word of God said "the rest of the dead did not come to life until the 1,000 years ended" this means they have been resurrected but they can only be said to be living after Satan has been destroyed and he is no more around to mislead them!

As long as Satan has not been destroyed, Jesus classified all humans as DEAD {Luke 9:60}

WHY?

Because the deceiver and killer is still very much around to lead them to the part of DEATH!

Remember it's this same Jesus that's revealing what we're studying now to John {Revelations 1:1} so before you can fully grasp what he is saying you must be very conversant with his use of metaphors! Matthew 8:22 smiley
There is no probation after death.


Ezekiel 3:18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 3:19 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul. 3:20 Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumbling-block before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 3:21 Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.
Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 6:36am On Mar 01, 2020
Maximus69:
UNRIGHTEOUS means those who ignore or don't know God's righteous decrees, God's word said "human's righteousness is like filthy rags before God" so no one can be declared righteous on the bases of such filthy rags! sad

Of course they're all alive and NOT dead because they've been resurrected to be ruled by those who are serving as their priests and kings in heaven! smiley

But when the word of God said "the rest of the dead did not come to life until the 1,000 years ended" this means they have been resurrected but they can only be said to be living after Satan has been destroyed and he is no more around to mislead them!

As long as Satan has not been destroyed, Jesus classified all humans as DEAD {Luke 9:60}

WHY?

Because the deceiver and killer is still very much around to lead them to the part of DEATH!

Remember it's this same Jesus that's revealing what we're studying now to John {Revelations 1:1} so before you can fully grasp what he is saying you must be very conversant with his use of metaphors! Matthew 8:22 smiley
That not true..

Imagine the Bible says that the righteous will be scarcely delivered how much more the unrighteous.

You can see their is no probation.



◄ 1 Peter 4:18
And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 6:29am On Mar 01, 2020
sonmvayina:
Because I was created in the image and likeness of God..
This is the dumbmest. answer I have ever heard.
Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 6:27am On Mar 01, 2020
Valkrie:
Guy don't get confused...the concept of heaven and hell came totally from the Abrahamic religion to keep people like you in check 24/7 so you don't misbehave and question what they are teaching you....

From the African perspective and religion, what we have is the ancestral planes and got nothing to do with burning anybody inside fire because they don't believe in one European character is their Lord and saviour..

Let me stop here for now...
Thats the reason why Africa was undeveloped and still a 3rd World Continent.
Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 6:23am On Mar 01, 2020
Image123:
Oh, brainy theology of whether spirit or soul go to Heaven is what determines eternal destiny?
Where did I write such?
Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 8:26pm On Feb 29, 2020
sonmvayina:
Nothing,... It is the mumu called blueAgent that I am trying to educate..
What makes you a god?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Bournemouth Vs Chelsea (2 - 2) On 29th February 2020 by blueAgent(m): 8:21pm On Feb 29, 2020
Olusola101990:
Little things I notices from this game
1) Lampard can only survive with quality players.....his not really a tactical genius ..his good no doubt but the prowess of his kind of game hinges on strong quality which Chelsea doesn't just ave at the momentarily
2) Jorginho isnt the right crop Chelsea needs in DM...I keep asking pple around me wat jorginho really adds to any team....through out the game I didn't see him win only one second ball or aerial duel....there was even a particular spot he was within Bournemouth player and baba didn't even contest...." a DM for bleeps sake" ....JORGINHO IS A DISASTER
3) Chelsea should zero there mind....this team will go to champions league but I believe but they will need a full squad quickly...pulisic and loftus cheek should be introduced into the team. wen fit....we need players of diff ideas...Pedro wasn't so bad today...William should stay on the bench...his no more near anything close to positive recently...mount should also sit the bench...his just so awkward as an attacker...and that quality is not just there...if Alonso can get to goals today den this team is so poor...
Your coaching skills sucks.
Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 8:38am On Feb 29, 2020
Maximus69:
UNRIGHTEOUS means those who ignore or don't know God's righteous decrees, God's word said "human's righteousness is like filthy rags before God" so no one can be declared righteous on the bases of such filthy rags! sad

Of course they're all alive and NOT dead because they've been resurrected to be ruled by those who are serving as their priests and kings in heaven! smiley

But when the word of God said "the rest of the dead did not come to life until the 1,000 years ended" this means they have been resurrected but they can only be said to be living after Satan has been destroyed and he is no more around to mislead them!

As long as Satan has not been destroyed, Jesus classified all humans as DEAD {Luke 9:60}

WHY?

Because the deceiver and killer is still very much around to lead them to the part of DEATH!

Remember it's this same Jesus that's revealing what we're studying now to John {Revelations 1:1} so before you can fully grasp what he is saying you must be very conversant with his use of metaphors! Matthew 8:22 smiley
The Bible mentions only 2 resurrection.
1 for the just and the other for the unjust.

No where does the Bible mention resurrection for probation.

Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.


12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.



Either one awakes from death to everlasting life or one awakes to shame and contempt.

There is no middle ground.
Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 8:32am On Feb 29, 2020
sonmvayina:
Well, maybe that is you.. Like I have always maintained.. I am a divine being just having a human experience.. A god walking a human path..
You are not gods.
Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 8:31am On Feb 29, 2020
Maximus69:
The underlined is where we are having issues now!

Because DEATH is the judgement God pronounced as the wages for sin! Romans 6:23; Genesis 2:17

So when God's word said "after death is judgment" it's another kind of judgment altogether, NOT the one having to do with what someone did when he was alive. WHY?
Because at death the sinner has paid for his sins! Romans 7:6 undecided

Jesus explained this different form of judgment when he said "those who believe in him WILL NOT BE JUDGE, but whoever fail to believe is JUDGED ALREADY" John 3:18

If they're JUDGED ALREADY, and the wages of sin is DEATH and they're already DEAD, what business does God have with the dead again?

So presently a form of judgment is ongoing globally, whoever refuse to accept the teachings of Jesus is judged and never coming back to life again! John 3:19

But as for those who had no opportunity of hearing what Jesus taught, their own Judgement begin after they've been resurrected from the dead. That's when they will be introduced to the teachings of Christ which is the only means to everlasting life!

Their conscience only works for them to gain a resurrection when they chose not to do evil but they're not yet qualified for everlasting life, because they've not received training from the teacher whose only teaching can make anyone to qualify for everlasting life! John 3:16 smiley
More false teachings as usual.
Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 8:30am On Feb 29, 2020
Maximus69:
UNRIGHTEOUS means those who ignore or don't know God's righteous decrees, God's word said "human's righteousness is like filthy rags before God" so no one can be declared righteous on the bases of such filthy rags! sad

Of course they're all alive and NOT dead because they've been resurrected to be ruled by those who are serving as their priests and kings in heaven! smiley

But when the word of God said "the rest of the dead did not come to life until the 1,000 years ended" this means they have been resurrected but they can only be said to be living after Satan has been destroyed and he is no more around to mislead them!

As long as Satan has not been destroyed, Jesus classified all humans as DEAD {Luke 9:60}

WHY?

Because the deceiver and killer is still very much around to lead them to the part of DEATH!

Remember it's this same Jesus that's revealing what we're studying now to John {Revelations 1:1} so before you can fully grasp what he is saying you must be very conversant with his use of metaphors! Matthew 8:22 smiley
You are twisting Bible facts and meanings to suit your false doctrine.

What you wrote totally contradicts God's word.
Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 1:31pm On Feb 28, 2020
Maximus69:
You see where the problem is now! huh

You quoted the scriptures and i also quoted the scriptures, you explain (interpret) and i also did the same thing. What matters now is how applicable is the interpretation you're giving what you read!

John never said "all those who are not part of the first resurrection will suffer the second death" what he said is that "only those having part in the first resurrection have no business with the second death"

You said my interpretation was formulated by my church, of course that's what i learnt in my church, just as you also learnt what you are saying from your church! cheesy

As regards the trial of those who have died and we're resurrected, please explain what John saw @ Revelations 20:11-13, before you present your understanding please bear in mind what Jesus said @ John 3:18

"whoever did not believed have been JUDGED ALREADY" whereas there are thousands of dead people who never heard nor knew anything about Jesus!

On what bases will such persons be RIGHTEOUSLY judged when they never had the opportunity to hear what Jesus taught? undecided

So explain what will become of millions of people who never heard of Jesus, and what Satan is coming to do after the 1,000 year reign of Jesus and the 144,000?

My church said "Satan is coming to tempt resurrected ones here on earth after they've been trained to perfection by the Christians in their midst"

My church said "Satan was locked up means there will be no false religion throughout the earth during Christ's 1,000 years reign, so no distractions will hinder people from learning the truth about Christ"

My church said "Those who have been taken to heaven as first fruit of the Kingdom will not experience Satan's final test"

So tell me what your church said about the Bible book of Revelations 20! smiley
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Have you heard of the millennium—the 1,000 years of peace
prophesied in the Bible to happen at the end of time?
There are a lot of viewpoints on this period of time, but only
one is biblical. Is there peace on earth? Are the wicked
converted? Where is Jesus? Let's dig into the Word and find
out!
Question: What happens at the start of the 1,000-year period?
"These came to life again and reigned with Christ for a
thousand years" (Revelation 20:4).
Answer: A resurrection begins the 1,000-year period.
Question: What other events mark the beginning of the
millennium?
"Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see
him" (Revelation 1:7).
"The Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout,
... and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are
alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in
the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air" (1 Thessalonians
4:16, 17).
"There was a great earthquake, such as was not since men
were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
And every island fled away, and the mountains were not
found. And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven,
every stone about the weight of a talent [58 to 100 pounds]
" (Revelation 16:18, 20, 21).
Answer: At the start of the 1,000 years, the most devastating
earthquake and hailstorm in history strike the earth; Jesus
returns in the clouds for His people; and all the saints are
caught up into the air to meet Jesus.
Question: Many believe the unsaved will have an opportunity
to repent during the 1,000 years. What does the Bible say
about this?
"The slain of the Lord shall be at that day from one end of
the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not
be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be
dung upon the ground" (Jeremiah 25:33).
Answer: It is impossible for any person to repent during the
1,000 years because there will not be a person alive on earth.
The righteous will all be in heaven. All the wicked will be lying
dead upon the earth.
Revelation 22:11, 12 makes it clear that the case of every
person is closed before Jesus returns. Those who wait to
accept Christ until the 1,000 years begin will have waited too
long.
Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 1:30pm On Feb 28, 2020
Maximus69:
You see where the problem is now! huh

You quoted the scriptures and i also quoted the scriptures, you explain (interpret) and i also did the same thing. What matters now is how applicable is the interpretation you're giving what you read!

John never said "all those who are not part of the first resurrection will suffer the second death" what he said is that "only those having part in the first resurrection have no business with the second death"

You said my interpretation was formulated by my church, of course that's what i learnt in my church, just as you also learnt what you are saying from your church! cheesy

As regards the trial of those who have died and we're resurrected, please explain what John saw @ Revelations 20:11-13, before you present your understanding please bear in mind what Jesus said @ John 3:18

"whoever did not believed have been JUDGED ALREADY" whereas there are thousands of dead people who never heard nor knew anything about Jesus!

On what bases will such persons be RIGHTEOUSLY judged when they never had the opportunity to hear what Jesus taught? undecided

So explain what will become of millions of people who never heard of Jesus, and what Satan is coming to do after the 1,000 year reign of Jesus and the 144,000?

My church said "Satan is coming to tempt resurrected ones here on earth after they've been trained to perfection by the Christians in their midst"

My church said "Satan was locked up means there will be no false religion throughout the earth during Christ's 1,000 years reign, so no distractions will hinder people from learning the truth about Christ"

My church said "Those who have been taken to heaven as first fruit of the Kingdom will not experience Satan's final test"

So tell me what your church said about the Bible book of Revelations 20! smiley
You have changed the meaning of unrighteous.

Unrighteous has no other meaning than someone who is unholy or lives a sinful life.

The 2nd resurrection occurs at the end of 1000yrs not during it.
Revelation 20:5.
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand
years were FINISHED. This is the first resurrection.

So they cannot be the subjects during the 1000yrs.
Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 1:23pm On Feb 28, 2020
Maximus69:
You see where the problem is now! huh

You quoted the scriptures and i also quoted the scriptures, you explain (interpret) and i also did the same thing. What matters now is how applicable is the interpretation you're giving what you read!

John never said "all those who are not part of the first resurrection will suffer the second death" what he said is that "only those having part in the first resurrection have no business with the second death"

You said my interpretation was formulated by my church, of course that's what i learnt in my church, just as you also learnt what you are saying from your church! cheesy

As regards the trial of those who have died and we're resurrected, please explain what John saw @ Revelations 20:11-13, before you present your understanding please bear in mind what Jesus said @ John 3:18

"whoever did not believed have been JUDGED ALREADY" whereas there are thousands of dead people who never heard nor knew anything about Jesus!

On what bases will such persons be RIGHTEOUSLY judged when they never had the opportunity to hear what Jesus taught? undecided

So explain what will become of millions of people who never heard of Jesus, and what Satan is coming to do after the 1,000 year reign of Jesus and the 144,000?

My church said "Satan is coming to tempt resurrected ones here on earth after they've been trained to perfection by the Christians in their midst"

My church said "Satan was locked up means there will be no false religion throughout the earth during Christ's 1,000 years reign, so no distractions will hinder people from learning the truth about Christ"

My church said "Those who have been taken to heaven as first fruit of the Kingdom will not experience Satan's final test"

So tell me what your church said about the Bible book of Revelations 20! smiley
People will be judged based on their conscience.
Romans 2:12, ESV : "For all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law."

The bible says after death is judgment not probation.


The problem is that you just lift a bible verse and use it to make your conclusion rather than look at all the Bible verses that are related to the matter before you make your conclusion.

https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/study-guide/e/4989/t/1000-years-of-peace
Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 1:23pm On Feb 28, 2020
Maximus69:
Do you think people in your neighborhood knew any of your rules in that your church as different?

How many times have you being in the midst of others and at the mention of your church name questions began coming over what you believe?

Well that's what it means to be a true Christian! Matthew 9:14, 15:2; Mark 9:14; Act 24:5

If your beliefs easily blend with others so that there is no sharp contrast, then your church can't be popular no matter the number of adherents! John 17:14-16 smiley
God is not interested in how popular an opinion is, what matters to God is his word.

The bible is filled with prophecy of God's word been set aside for teachings and doctrines which are not true.

Prophets like Jeremiah, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Hosea, and many others had difficult changing the mind of people to the true word of God.


Stop deceiving yourself by believing that a teaching will be true because it is popular.

A teacher is only true be cos it is in line with God's word.

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