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shadeyinka:
You surely do not understand my argument.

You said "Only the body goes into the Lake of Fire!"
My argument is that the Body, Soul and Spirit of Man goes into the lake of fire.

Let me break it down for you starting from the definition of your soul which you say could mean three things:

* A living person or animal
* Life force or life of a person
* Faculty or reasoning or intellect of a person,mind,thoughts

At Resurrection, would
1. The person be living?
2. Would the person have Life force or life?
3. Would the person have the faculty of reasoning, or intellect, mind or thoughts?

If for each of the three questions above, your answer is YES, then it means that the person being cast into hell has a soul (by your definition).

You believe that the spirit of man returns to God at Death. Now, at resurrection, what happens to this spirit? Does this spirit return back to the body?

If the spirit returns back to man, doesn't it imply that the man is cast alive into the lake of fire with his spirit inside his body?

So you see why your argument is flawed

You are the one who is confusing yourself.

All through the article I never meant that it was the body that is sent to Heaven or Hell.

Rather what I did or wrote was to show that it is our living bodies or persons that is rewarded and not an imaginary soul or spirit as claimed.

To even proof this fact, I mentioned that there will be resurrection of the just and unjust. of course resurrection means a dead person coming back to life.
I also mentioned that the just receive new bodies but the unjust do not.

There is sufficient facts and evidence to prove that I meant a living body or person is what is rewarded in Heaven or Hell.

Image123:
Clearly stated from the beginning but you seemed very disturbed at it. The important questions like David asked should be "Who"?, "How?" What is the gain of knowing what if you don't know how? Who goes to heaven or hell, How can i go to Heaven or hell. Those are more pertinent than spending pages on unverified information.

Even during the time of Paul there were people who did not believe in resurrection or how it will be possible.

So also we have people today who do not understand the resurrection, its purpose and importance.

1 Corinthians 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? 15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.


If God found it worthy to inspire Paul and others to write and teach on the importance of the resurrection, body and reward, then who are you to question its importance to ones salvation.

Image123:
Clearly stated from the beginning but you seemed very disturbed at it. The important questions like David asked should be "Who"?, "How?" What is the gain of knowing what if you don't know how? Who goes to heaven or hell, How can i go to Heaven or hell. Those are more pertinent than spending pages on unverified information.

All this verses were written by men who are more inspired and annonited than you and they are all speaking on the resurrection and restoration of their bodies.


Your dead shall
live; together with
my dead body
they shall arise.
Awake and sing
you who dwell in
dust; for your
dew is like the
dew of herbs,
and the earth
shall cast out the
dead ( Isaiah
26:19 ).
Hosea said.
I will ransom
them from the
power of the
grave; I will
redeem them
from the earth. O
Death, I will be
your plagues! O
Grave, I will be
your destruction
( Hosea 13:14 ).

But when Paul
perceived that
one part were
Sadducees and
the other
Pharisees, he
cried out in the
council, 'Men and
brothers, I am a
Pharisee, the son
of a Pharisee;
concerning the
hope and
resurrection of
the dead I am
being judged!'
And when he had
said this a
dissension arose
between the
Pharisees and the
Sadducees; and
the assembly was
divided. For the
Sadducees say
that there is no
resurrection - and
no angel or spirit;
but the Pharisees
confess both
( Acts 23:6-8 ).
Paul also said.
And I have the
same hope in
God as these
men, that there
will be a
resurrection of
both the
righteous and the
wicked ( Acts
24:15 ).



For as the Father
raises the dead
and gives life to
them, even so the
Son gives life to
whom He will
( John 5:21 ).
He also said.
Do not be
amazed at this,
for a time is
coming when all
who are in their
graves will hear
His voice and will
come out - those
who have done
good, to the
resurrection of
life, and those
who have done
evil, to the
resurrection of
condemnation
( John 5:29 ).
And this is the
will of Him who
sent Me, that I
should lose
nothing of all
that He has given
Me, but raise it
up on the last
day ( John 6:39 ).

shadeyinka:
You made a long argument but arrived at a flawed conclusion.

From your writeup
1. At death, the body goes to the earth while the spirit of man goes to God.
Doesn't the reverse take place at resurrection?

If this is the case, your conclusion should be that an ungodly man's union of body and spirit is thrown (alive) into the lake of fire.

2. You defined the soul to mean three things:
* A living person or animal
* Life force or life of a person
* Faculty or reasoning or intellect of a person,mind,thoughts

At resurrection, are these three (definition of the soul) absent or inapplicable to the resurrected person?

If these are present, doesn't it imply that the union of the body and soul of the ungodly man is thrown into the lake of fire?

Your conclusion contradicts your argument

You really need to pray for understanding.

The word Soul can refer to any 3 of the things I mentioned.
At resurrection the the spirit which is the life force from God enters the body and it comes to live thus becoming a living Soul. just as it was in the beginning of creation of man.

Image123:
The response that i quoted.

Those verses I quoted instructs Christians to read, understand and establish the truth about God's word.
An that is exactly what I have done with this thread.

James 4:17
Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is
sin.

Any one who refuses to know or establish the truth about God's word has committed a sin.

Image123:
Clearly stated from the beginning but you seemed very disturbed at it. The important questions like David asked should be "Who"?, "How?" What is the gain of knowing what if you don't know how? Who goes to heaven or hell, How can i go to Heaven or hell. Those are more pertinent than spending pages on unverified information.

You are only talking from your little confused mind.

If it was not important why did God inform or inspire Paul to write it in the Bible?

Right now in Christaindom about 85% of Christians or more believe the soul is immortal and will be sent to Heaven or Hell.

There are several false doctrines and consequences that this false teachings and doctrine has created.

If you knew better you would have shown me how my article contradicts God's word.

If what I wrote is false, then prove me wrong but if it is right than let it be.
There are millions who are dieing to know the truth about God's word and purpose for humanity.

Rather than draw people away from God this thread reveal the true and justice nature of God and his word.

It will draw and increase people's faith.

If you are not willingly to humble yourself and learn about God's true word than am sorry Heaven is light years far from you.

Image123:
Good to hear that you now know that IT does not determine our fate in Heaven or Hell. You have almost overcome pride, remains little.

What's your problem with the truth been revealed?

The only person I know who is not happy with the truth been revealed is the Devil.

Am yet to know your problem with the OP.

Image123:
i meant that what you wrote was jumbled up and strenuous to read, little clarity.

Where, in my OP or responses?

Image123:
Your writing na wa. All these don't tell us that knowing the itinerary of souls and spirits is what takes us to Heaven. I can also quote 20 verses na. You don't need to work to discover and establish the soul and spirit routes to "make" Heaven. Period.

Am not writing to please Man but God.

2 Timothy 2:15.
15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a
worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly
handles the word of truth.


John 8:32
And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.


You can see it is the truth you know that sets you free.
Ignorance can never save you or help you.

Image123:
Your writing na wa. All these don't tell us that knowing the itinerary of souls and spirits is what takes us to Heaven. I can also quote 20 verses na. You don't need to work to discover and establish the soul and spirit routes to "make" Heaven. Period.

You are confused.

Because it does not determine our faith in Heaven or Hell means we should not endeavour to know the truth?

A federal corrections officer accused of holding hard-to-get feminine
hygiene products over inmates’ heads to sexually abuse seven women
took a plea deal Wednesday, prosecutors said.
Colin Akparanta, 43, pleaded guilty to abusing just one victim as
Manhattan federal prosecutors said they had evidence he stashed
feminine hygiene products in his lockers and also found a list of products
he was planning to give to the women he was abusing.
“During 2017 in the [Metropolitan Correctional Center] while I was working
as a correction officer, I sexually abused an inmate. I did so by touching
her Instruments,” Akparanta admitted. “I deprived that inmate of her right to
be free of that contact.”
Prosecutors alleged in a nine-count indictment back in May that Akparanta
smuggled contraband — including personal hygiene items, makeup and
food — into the jail as a means to coerce his victims into keeping quiet
and cooperating with the abuse.
Throughout the majority of Akparanta’s alleged abuse between 2012 and
2018, feminine hygiene products were difficult to acquire because inmates
were forced to purchase them from the commissary.
In August 2017, the Federal Bureau of Prisons changed that and made
tampons, pads and panty liners free for inmates

Prosecutors said in court Wednesday that all seven of Akparanta’s victims
were prepared to testify against him if the case went to trial — but they
accepted two guilty pleas on charges of abusive sexual contact and
deprivation of civil rights for assaulting an inmate, identified as “Victim 2,”
sometime around September or October 2017, court records show.
Akparanta, a New Jersey resident, is accused of abusing Victim 2 through
the slotted door of her cell while she was locked up in solitary
confinement, court records show.

The corrections officer touched the inmate’s breasts and digitally
penetrated her vagina as her body was pressed up against the cell’s door,
causing substantial pain, records show.
Akparanta also fondled her while escorting her to the shower and
requested she touch his penis over his pants, which she did, records state.
He faces a maximum of 12 years in jail and will be sentenced July 8.


https://nypost.com/2020/03/04/federal-corrections-officer-pleads-guilty-to-sexually-abusing-inmate/

[quote author=fairfora post=87250687]their own pass 4G oo. Na 50G dem dey use . Unfortunately, they couldn't use their own version of technology to better the lots of Africans na to dey do evil. By viewing an ordinary mirror, they could tell what's happening to their victims anywhere they're in the world.

Have you ever walked in a open space where hundreds of people pass hourly and you felt a spider web crossed your face? That's the village people's network to locate whom they're dealing with. The network strong pass glo

Some achievements aren't supposed to be made public. Once you broadcast it, that's the end. [/quote


I concur. Thats while Africa will remain poor and undeveloped till they change their wicked mindset.

Image123:
I'll say it clearly again. Right theology on soul or spirit is not a prerequisite to make heaven. Stop being comical.

Really?

Hosea 4:6 King James Version (KJV)
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou
hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be
no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I
will also forget thy children.


Hebrews 5:12
For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that
one teach you again which [be] the first principles of the oracles of
God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong
meat.

Hebrews 5:13
For every one that useth milk [is] unskilful in the word of
righteousness: for he is a babe.

Peter-1 2:2
As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may
grow thereby:

Corinthians-1 3:2
I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not
able [to bear it], neither yet now are ye able.

Image123:
But you were asking me where you wrote such. SMH for you. Don't swell your head with matter bros. Please God by living in His fear and doing His will.

What I meant is that,there is no were i wrote that knowing what is rewarded is a criteria for entering Heaven.

We are instructed to proof God's word to diligently search at the truth in God's word. You failing to know or search out the truth about God's word is a great of fence before God.

2 Timothy 2:15.
15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a
worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly
handles the word of truth.



Acts 17:11.
11 Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than
those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great
eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what
Paul said was true.


1 Thessalonians 5:21
But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good;

John 5:39
39 You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in
them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that
testify about me,

John 17:17.
17 Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth.

Revelation 1:2.
2 who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God
and the testimony of Jesus Christ.

2 Timothy 3:15-17.
15 and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures,
which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in
Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for
teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17
so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every
good work.

Do you think to enter Heaven requires you to sit around all day without you putting effort to discover and establish the truth of God's word?

Maximus69:
He is a TEACHER who will TEACH his folks what's in the Bible but the one foretold to be a WONDERFUL TEACHER never came to TEACH but to die!

Walahi Talahi i thank God for the opportunity Seun gave me to hear the views of this misinformed churchgoers on Nairaland, how can someone know that they're this stupid and full of fallacies?

No wonder they can't go from house to house to preach and teach like Jehovah's Witnesses, is this crap worth changing the hearts of people to make any real change?

Jesus is NOT a teacher but the same Jesus said "what i teach is not mine" John 7:16

Please i'm out of here!

Number 1 purpose of Christ coming to Earth was to die for humanity and not to teach.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that
whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life

2 Corinthians 5:21 King James Version (KJV)
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that
we might be made the righteousness of God in him.


Romans 5:10.
10 For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to
him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been
reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!

Hebrews 9:27
27 Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to
face judgment,


You are yet to show me were it is written that Jesus came to Earth to teach.

Philippians 3:20-21
20 But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a
Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who, by the power
that enables him to bring everything under his control, will
transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious
body.

Change and Next level.

englishmart:
The only independent arm of government in Nigeria is the executive arm. Any other arm or leg is useless

True.

Jack500:
The useless PDP and senseless ipob youth will be wailing now, but the nonentities were rejoicing when they heard Bayelsa ruling.

Dont worry, APC is coming, they will start from Abia to take the governance away from the kerosene distributor, and from the fat toad of Enugu whose the only thing he does is to commission bill board, Ebonyi is already APC, Dave Umahi is obviously pro-APC.

IMO has been conquered by APC, Abia and Enugu next, by 2023

If u are pained, dont bother quote me, drink sniper and sleep gently.

SE is APC.

Idiot watch your back for herdsmen.

Maximus69:
blueAgent, please explain what you mean by "what Bible said"

People have been living on this planet for thousands of years before Jesus came to start teaching his own lessons on how we can enter God's kingdom.

Now that you're now saying God will declare some people qualified for what Jesus left heaven to come and teach, then what is the essence of saying people will perish if they don't believe (trust) Jesus' teachings when our conscience can do the job?

During the 1000yrs of Christ rule the Bible says no one will teach another to know God, for everyone will know God.
I wonder were and when you guys will teacher your own.

Hebrews 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Maximus69:
You can never grasp the underlined unless a true Christian teach you!

Paul was talking about what God gave the Israelites (the Mosaic laws) which will be their guidance to lead them to Christ! Galatians 3:24
Israelites were taught to be hospitable to strangers {Leviticus 19:34} this will be of great help to them when preachers of the good news come to them as strangers {Isaiah 52:7 compare to Romans 10:15} but this people weren't kind to strangers to the extent that by the time Jesus visited them with his disciples, they treated him badly! Luke 9:51-55
Now if the people of the nations who never had all those laws (that was supposed to lead the Israelites to welcome Jesus and his followers hospitably) now welcomed the Christians who are total strangers to them because this ones came in the name of God, is that not a good reason to count them worthy of his grace than faithless and stubborn Israelites?

So Paul is saying those people have displayed the attributes God's law meant to impress in the hearts of the Israelites as if it's written IN THEIR HEARTS!
But they must first accept Jesus' teachings before they can enter into life everlasting! Philippians 2:10

That's the meaning of what you are quoting Sir!

There is no room for probation. that is the word of Jesus.

People will be judged by the light or grace they have been given.

1. According To The
Truth They Have Received
Each will be judged
according to the
information they have
received. Jesus said.
Woe to you,
Chorazin! Woe to
you, Bethsaida! For
if the mighty deeds
done in you had
been done in Tyre
and Sidon, they
would have repented
long ago in
sackcloth and
ashes. But I tell you,
on the day of
judgment it will be
more tolerable for
Tyre and Sidon than
for you. And you,
Capernaum, will you
be exalted to
heaven? No, you will
be brought down to
Hades. For if the
mighty deeds done
in you had been
done in Sodom, it
would have
remained until this
day. But I tell you
that on the day of
judgment it will be
more tolerable for
the land of Sodom
than for you
(Matthew 11:21-24 ).
The Scriptural truth is that
to whom much has been
given, much will be
required.
But the one who did
not know it, and
committed deeds
worthy of a flogging,
will receive but few.
And from everyone
who has been given
much shall much be
required; and to
whom they
entrusted much, of
him they will ask all
the more ( Luke
12:48 ).


From above we can see that Sodom and Gomarrah are not going to receive any probation.

Maximus69:
You can never grasp the underlined unless a true Christian teach you!

Paul was talking about what God gave the Israelites (the Mosaic laws) which will be their guidance to lead them to Christ! Galatians 3:24
Israelites were taught to be hospitable to strangers {Leviticus 19:34} this will be of great help to them when preachers of the good news come to them as strangers {Isaiah 52:7 compare to Romans 10:15} but this people weren't kind to strangers to the extent that by the time Jesus visited them with his disciples, they treated him badly! Luke 9:51-55
Now if the people of the nations who never had all those laws (that was supposed to lead the Israelites to welcome Jesus and his followers hospitably) now welcomed the Christians who are total strangers to them because this ones came in the name of God, is that not a good reason to count them worthy of his grace than faithless and stubborn Israelites?

So Paul is saying those people have displayed the attributes God's law meant to impress in the hearts of the Israelites as if it's written IN THEIR HEARTS!
But they must first accept Jesus' teachings before they can enter into life everlasting! Philippians 2:10

That's the meaning of what you are quoting Sir!

According To The
Truth They Have Received
Each will be judged
according to the
information they have
received. Jesus said.
Woe to you,
Chorazin! Woe to
you, Bethsaida! For
if the mighty deeds
done in you had
been done in Tyre
and Sidon, they
would have repented
long ago in
sackcloth and
ashes. But I tell you,
on the day of
judgment it will be
more tolerable for
Tyre and Sidon than
for you. And you,
Capernaum, will you
be exalted to
heaven? No, you will
be brought down to
Hades. For if the
mighty deeds done
in you had been
done in Sodom, it
would have
remained until this
day. But I tell you
that on the day of
judgment it will be
more tolerable for
the land of Sodom
than for you
(Matthew 11:21-24 ).
The Scriptural truth is that
to whom much has been
given, much will be
required.
But the one who did
not know it, and
committed deeds
worthy of a flogging,
will receive but few.
And from everyone
who has been given
much shall much be
required; and to
whom they
entrusted much, of
him they will ask all
the more ( Luke
12:48 ).
2. Judgment Will Be Fair
We must note that
judgment will be fair. The
psalmist wrote.
They will sing before
the LORD, for He
comes, He comes to
judge the earth. He
will judge the world
in righteousness
and the peoples in
His truth ( Psalm
96:13 ).
The Apostle Paul also
emphasized this truth.
Because He has
fixed a day on
which He will have
the world judged in
righteousness by a
man whom He has
appointed, and of
this He has given
assurance to all by
raising Him from the
dead ( Acts 17:31 ).
Jeremiah quoted God as
saying.
I the LORD search
the heart and
examine the mind,
to reward a person
according to their
conduct, according
to what their deeds
deserve (Jeremiah
17:10 ).
3. According To One's
Works
The Bible says that each
of us will be judged
according to our works.
Paul wrote.
For He will repay
according to each
one's deeds: but
glory and honor and
peace for everyone
who does good, the
Jew first and also
the Greek. For God
shows no partiality.
(Romans 2:6 , 10 , 11 ).
In the Book of Revelation
we read.
I will strike her
children dead. Then
all the churches will
know that I am He
who searches hearts
and minds, and I will
repay each of you
according to your
deeds (Revelation
2:23 ).
Lest we might think that
God will weigh our good
deeds against our bad
deeds, He has told us
what the work of God
consists.
Then they said to
Him [Jesus], "What
must we do to
perform the works
of God?" Jesus
answered them,
"This is the work of
God, that you
believe in Him
whom He has
sent" (John 6:28 , 29 )
.
The work of God is to
believe in Him whom He
has sent - Jesus Christ.
4. According To God's

TATIME:
That's why the Governing Body asked us not to waste our precious time with stubborn and obsolete churchgoer on their blind arguments!

Now you're seeing the reality life and direct, when a processed Christian is saying Jesus of Nazareth did not come to teach yet his contemporaries were calling him "TEACHER"!

So Jesus main reason of coming to earth was to teacher?

Maximus69:
You can never grasp the underlined unless a true Christian teach you!

Paul was talking about what God gave the Israelites (the Mosaic laws) which will be their guidance to lead them to Christ! Galatians 3:24
Israelites were taught to be hospitable to strangers {Leviticus 19:34} this will be of great help to them when preachers of the good news come to them as strangers {Isaiah 52:7 compare to Romans 10:15} but this people weren't kind to strangers to the extent that by the time Jesus visited them with his disciples, they treated him badly! Luke 9:51-55
Now if the people of the nations who never had all those laws (that was supposed to lead the Israelites to welcome Jesus and his followers hospitably) now welcomed the Christians who are total strangers to them because this ones came in the name of God, is that not a good reason to count them worthy of his grace than faithless and stubborn Israelites?

So Paul is saying those people have displayed the attributes God's law meant to impress in the hearts of the Israelites as if it's written IN THEIR HEARTS!
But they must first accept Jesus' teachings before they can enter into life everlasting! Philippians 2:10

That's the meaning of what you are quoting Sir!

Twisting bible verses as usual.

Paul is talking about judgment not teaching.

There is nothing relating to what you wrote here with what Paul said.

Maximus69:
So pathetic!

My friend come and let us TEACH you what is in our book!

The Bible belongs to Jehovah's Witnesses, if you don't humble yourself before us you'll continue to wallow in ignorance!

Just listen to yourself "Jesus did not come to teach" yet he called himself TEACHER! Matthew 23:8

Pharisees referred to him as TEACHER and he confirmed it! Matthew 22:34-36; John 13:13-14

Have you ever heard of a TEACHER whose assignment is NOT TO TEACH? John 7:16

Your Church pedigree does not help your claim.
All your False prophecy and doctrines does not help your claim.

Maximus69:
blueAgent, please explain what you mean by "what Bible said"

People have been living on this planet for thousands of years before Jesus came to start teaching his own lessons on how we can enter God's kingdom.

Now that you're now saying God will declare some people qualified for what Jesus left heaven to come and teach, then what is the essence of saying people will perish if they don't believe (trust) Jesus' teachings when our conscience can do the job?

Jesus left Heaven to die for our sins and not to teach.

His purpose of coming was to die for Sins.

Genesis 15:6.
Abram believed the LORD, and it was credited to him as
righteousness.

The same way God credited Abraham for his faith, is the same way God would credit people for living according to their conscience and good works.

Maximus69:
Bible said God will declare some people of the nations righteous by conscience but other people from the same nations must believe in a Jewish teacher!

My friend, you're funny Walahi Talahi

So a Muslim, Buddhist, Pagan and so on need not accept the teaching of Christ so far he has good conscience shey?

In Romans 2:12-15 it states, “For all who have sinned without
the Law will also perish without the Law; and all who have
sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; for not the
hearers of the Law are just before God, but the doers of the
Law will be justified.

For when Gentiles who do not have the
Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having
the Law, are a law unto themselves, in that they show the
work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience
bearing witness, and their thoughts ultimately accusing or
defending them. In the day when God will judge the secrets of
men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel. ”



Its amazing how you deny clear bible verses for false doctrine that has no proof in the Bible.

TATIME:
What exactly did the Bible say?

That people of the nations will be declared righteous by fine works based on conscience or by faith in Christ Jesus?

Note that this people have so many customs that God's law forbids amongst his own people! So what exactly are you saying?

That God will overlook their worthless traditions, customs, abominable deeda and declare them righteous or they must come to learn about God's righteousness from the Bible (Jewish story book) that you're now quoting?

Argue with the Bible.
Thats what the Bible says not me.

In Romans 2:12-15 it states, “For all who have sinned without
the Law will also perish without the Law; and all who have
sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; for not the
hearers of the Law are just before God, but the doers of the
Law will be justified. For when Gentiles who do not have the
Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having
the Law, are a law unto themselves, in that they show the
work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience
bearing witness, and their thoughts ultimately accusing or
defending them. In the day when God will judge the secrets of
men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel. ”

Image123:
I said are we going to heaven or hell because you know the intricacies of soul and spirit? You said "How can you be with God when you do not have the true knowledge of who he is and what he says?
Can 2 work together if they do not agree?"

Yes it matters. the bible says faith cometh by hearing God's word and without faith no man can please God.

Image123:
So i now know the truth on this issue? You've got jokes braa

If you are honest you will admit that you thought it was the Soul that is rewarded.

Maximus69:
Why are you now quoting the Bible if God will declare people righteous based on CONSCIENCE?

j

Because that what the Bible said.

Maximus69:
(1) The law that leads to salvation is based on Jesus' thoughts, words and actions. The previous Mosaic laws was to guide the Israelites to this PERFECT law of Christ so that they'll be the nation to teach other nations about the law of Christ!

(2)There is! If you don't ask thought provoking questions you won't know! That's why i asked you of what happens to those who never knew God's laws? If God declare them righteous based on their conscience then why are you quoting the Bible as means to attain righteousness? If God declare virtuous people of the nations righteous then all of them should be judge NOT by what God gave the Israelites in the Bible but on conscience!

(3) That is true and it's applicable to those who don't understand God's righteous decrees but trying to establish their own righteousness. Romans 10:2-4
All i've been telling you is that NOBODY gets into God's kingdom without first passing through his righteous decrees and you're here saying it doesn't matter!

There is no proof of what you wrote here in the Bible.

The only sure word is God's word and it says people will be judged by their conscience.
In Romans 2:12-15 it states, “For all who have sinned without
the Law will also perish without the Law; and all who have
sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; for not the
hearers of the Law are just before God, but the doers of the
Law will be justified. For when Gentiles who do not have the
Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having
the Law, are a law unto themselves, in that they show the
work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience
bearing witness, and their thoughts ultimately accusing or
defending them. In the day when God will judge the secrets of
men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel. ”


Stop adding to God's word.

Maximus69:
Probation is meant only for those who had not been warned!

From the time of creation there has never been a time God deliver his Judgement on any generation WITHOUT FIRST SENDING HIS SERVANT TO GO AND WARN THEM!

So the intended PROBATION is for people of the nations who lived virtuous lives in wherever they may be by conscience but knew nothing about God's law.
The gospel of Christ must be preached to them first before God's final judgement, after they've been resurrected as UNRIGHTEOUS (for not knowing the righteousness of the true God) they'll be taught God's righteous decrees during the 1000 years reign of Christ, whoever refuses to yield despite having no alternative form of worship to cause distraction will die naturally at a hundred years of age as a youth {Isaiah 65:20} those who agreed to live as Christians will survive for 1000 years, it's after they've been trained to perfection that Satan will be released to test everyone living on planet earth for the last time {Revelations 20:7-8} by then the grace of Jesus ransom sacrifice can't save anyone again because each will be standing as a perfect man just like Adam!
That's why the Bible said whatever each person does that time will serve as the basis to judge them whether they'll live or die forever! Revelations 20:13-15

The 1,000 year reign of Christ is also referred to as the day of judgment, because that's when all the resurrected ones will have to prove before God that if there is no fear of sickness, suffering, poverty or death they will remain loyal to God unlike our first human parents who rebelled against God when they had no reason to do so!

Jesus' rulership ends when everyone living on earth by that time have become perfect and after the final test all those who still fell for Satan's tricks will be destroyed with Satan, then after his assignments has been completed, Jesus will hand over everything back to his/our Godand King! 1Corinthians 15:24-28

Which law, I thought you said the law was abolished?

No where in the bible is a hint or evidence of probation ever given in the Bible.

its is a grevious sin for one to add to God's word.