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WINDSOW:
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ENEMYOFGOD6:
The useless hopeless worthless God, made the woman poor in the first place.

Thunder fire your mouth.

Maximus69:
It's only Jehovah's Witnesses that i know globally that will NEVER carry a weapon to kill no matter what you do to them!

So if you're truthful with what you just typed up there, please who are those fighting and killing people today?

Weather you choose to kill or not what matters to God is adherence to his word the 10 commandments.

Lukuluku69:
My question was: how do you treat it in your Church? There is a punishment prescribe in your bible, do you still carry it out as the muslims do according to their quran? Do you? If no, then why are you saying God's can not be changed?

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First you fail to understand that God's ten commandments are different from the Levitical laws which prescribed punishment for those who transgressed the 10commandments.

When the adulteress woman was brought Before Jesus to be stoned to death according to the Judicial laws or Levitical laws.
Jesus refused to consent to the demand of the people who wanted to stone the woman rather Jesus offered the woman grace which he offers to every one of us.

When the people left Jesus instructed the woman to go and sin no more. (not to transgress the law or break the law)
You can see that the 10commandments is still valid because Jesus asked the woman not to commit adultery.

God does not demand that we stone people to death or flog people in this present time, those laws were done away with through the death of Christ. but the 10commandments still stand because the define what is sin, what we can do and what we cannot do that is not pleasing to God.

And as Paul said are we now allowed to sin or continue in sin because we are all be given grace?

Paul's answer is no rather we uphold the law.

Romans 3:31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God
forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Note.
God allowed those who broke the law to be stoned to death to demonstrate to the Israelites that the wages of Sin is death.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death ; but the gift of God is eternal
life through Jesus Christ our Lord

Maximus69:
He's got your time Sir, i'm not interested in your fruitless arguments.

The Watchtower has proved their worth by making the one and only group that's able to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshippers globally, with one single line of thought! Micah 4:3-4 compared to 1Corinthians 1:10, Ephesians 4:3

If you can't point to such achievement, then it means that both your God and the Faith you're having is DEAD? James 2:26

Crap.

Even Muslims and non Christians also have the same achievements.

Lukuluku69:
Are you saying you still keep God's Law? So, tell me how you treat Adultery and Forniction in your Church?

Why not.

Is Adultery and fornication no longer Sin?
Are they now acceptable to God?

Lukuluku69:
Oga, it is now the Mede's law that can't be changed and not God's Law?

Let me ask, do the Persians and Medes believe in God of Israel?

I wonder what you people learn in Watchtower.


I compared the 2 laws, just as the Mede's and Persians had laws that could not be changed even by their king, so also God's law is unchangeable even by God.

Maximus69:
Just admit that the Muslim knew the story better than you do Sir, as for further argued you can continue with him if he wish.
I'm not interested in arguing with novice full of arrogance!

What has Muslims knowing has to do with the issue at hand?

If you knew the truth like the Muslims why can't you stand firm and refute my facts or points.
Show me that it was Darius that freed Daniel, don't run from your mess.


I just exposed your lies and you are running away.

You were bragging how your six year old knows that it was the Mede's that freed the Jews.
After I exposed your lies and falsetower you are now taking a bow.
What happened to your confidence and boosting which you used in type that response, of me not knowing that it was the Mede's that freed Daniel?

Maximus69:
Just Stories upon Stories upon stories It's the point that we're talking about here Sir!

Which point? I have proven to you that it was the Mede's that Daniel served under.

Lukuluku69:
Typical deflection. The Laws can not be changed? Well I say you have not heard of a certain Apostle Paul and the wonders he did to your God's Law.

You are the one deflecting, you were the one that raised the argument that Daniel was held by the Babylonians and not the Mede's something I never hinted at nor was it necessary for the issue at hand. now that I have exposed you,
you have returned to the law.

For your Information Paul never changed the law of God. if so tell me which law was Paul referring to in the following verses

Romans 3:31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God
forbid: yea, we establish the law.


Romans 7:12
Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment
holy, and just, and good.

Romans 2:13
For not the hearers of the law are just before
God, but the doers of the law shall be justified


1 Corinthians 7:19 ►
Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is
nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of
God.

Maximus69:
If we tell you that these people ARE NOT CHRISTIANS, you'll start arguing furiously against the TRUTH.

Now how do you feel seeing a self acclaimed social media evangelist who didn't even know that it was the Persians King Cyrus that freed Daniel with the rest of the Israelites?

This is what my grandson (six years old) will tell you because it has been discussed times without number in our Watchtower Magazines and even in most Watchtower publications!

Zechariah 1:1 In the eighth month, in the second year of Darius, came the word of the LORD unto Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, the son of Iddo the prophet, saying, 1:2 The LORD hath been sore displeased with your fathers. 1:3 Therefore say thou unto them, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Turn ye unto me, saith the LORD of hosts, and I will turn unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. 1:4 Be ye not as your fathers, unto whom the former prophets have cried, saying, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Turn ye now from your evil ways, and from your evil doings: but they did not hear, nor hearken unto me, saith the LORD. 1:5 Your fathers, where are they? and the prophets, do they live for ever? 1:6 But my words and my statutes, which I commanded my servants the prophets, did they not take hold of your fathers? and they returned and said, Like as the LORD of hosts thought to do unto us, according to our ways, and according to our doings, so hath he dealt with us. 1:7 Upon the four and twentieth day of the eleventh month, which is the month Sebat, in the second year of Darius, came the word of the LORD unto Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, the son of Iddo the prophet, saying, 1:8 I saw by night, and behold a man riding upon a red horse, and he stood among the myrtle trees that were in the bottom; and behind him were there red horses, speckled, and white. 1:9 Then said I, O my lord, what are these? And the angel that talked with me said unto me, I will shew thee what these be. 1:10 And the man that stood among the myrtle trees answered and said, These are they whom the LORD hath sent to walk to and fro through the earth. 1:11 And they answered the angel of the LORD that stood among the myrtle trees, and said, We have walked to and fro through the earth, and, behold, all the earth sitteth still, and is at rest. 1:12 Then the angel of the LORD answered and said, O LORD of hosts, how long wilt thou not have mercy on Jerusalem and on the cities of Judah, against which thou hast had indignation these threescore and ten years? 1:13 And the LORD answered the angel that talked with me with good words and comfortable words. 1:14 So the angel that communed with me said unto me, Cry thou, saying, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; I am jealous for Jerusalem and for Zion with a great jealousy. 1:15 And I am very sore displeased with the heathen that are at ease: for I was but a little displeased, and they helped forward the affliction. 1:16 Therefore thus saith the LORD; I am returned to Jerusalem with mercies: my house shall be built in it, saith the LORD of hosts, and a line shall be stretched forth upon Jerusalem. 1:17 Cry yet, saying, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; My cities through prosperity shall yet be spread abroad; and the LORD shall yet comfort Zion, and shall yet choose Jerusalem.

Maximus69:
If we tell you that these people ARE NOT CHRISTIANS, you'll start arguing furiously against the TRUTH.

Now how do you feel seeing a self acclaimed social media evangelist who didn't even know that it was the Persians King Cyrus that freed Daniel with the rest of the Israelites?

This is what my grandson (six years old) will tell you because it has been discussed times without number in our Watchtower Magazines and even in most Watchtower publications!

More facts and evidence.
It was the time of Zechariah that the king's command  to rebuild the temple was given.

In Zechariah1:7-12. A vision was shown unto Zechariah and in that vision an Angel asked God how long would God leave Jerusalem and the cities of Judah desolate which God has had indigination on for three score and ten yrs. Which is the same number of yrs that was revealed to Daniel in book of  Daniel9:2. that the Jews will spend in captivity.
Note this vision was revealed to Zechariah at the end of the 70yrs also note that God also promised that he has returned to show Jerusalem mercy.
Zechariah1:14-17


Daniel  9:2  In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.

Lukuluku69:
Daniel was held captive by the Babylonians and not the Persians. The Persians set him and his Nation free as they did other Nations under the rulership of Babylon.
The jewish Temple was also rebuilt by a decree of king Cyrus who commanded that all images, Idols be returned to the nation they originated from.

No where in this OP did I mention how Daniel or who held him captivity.

Your inability to provide logical facts or evidence to refute the main point of the OP, which is that God's law cannot be changed is the reason for all this beating about the bush looking for excuse and fault where there is none.

Maximus69:
If we tell you that these people ARE NOT CHRISTIANS, you'll start arguing furiously against the TRUTH.

Now how do you feel seeing a self acclaimed social media evangelist who didn't even know that it was the Persians King Cyrus that freed Daniel with the rest of the Israelites?

This is what my grandson (six years old) will tell you because it has been discussed times without number in our Watchtower Magazines and even in most Watchtower publications!

Really.

You have amazing Bible skills.

If you had Knowledge of the Bible as you claim you would have known that Daniel was not alive when the decree for the Israelites to go back and build the temple was given.


The Bible said Daniel prospered and reigned under the King Darius.

Daniel 6:28 So this Daniel prospered in the reign of Darius, and in the reign of Cyrus the Persian.

Scondly In chapter 9 of the book of Daniel we find that during the reign Darius the son Ahasuerus of the seed of Mede's that Daniel was given a vision or revelation of the freeing or release of the Children of Israel from captivity.

In God's plan shown to Daniel the Children of Israel were to spend 70yrs in Captivity.
This can be found in Daniel 9:1-27.
As you can see Daniel was still in Mede's and Persians and did not go back to Israel but died yrs before the fufillment of the prophecy.

I guess thats So much for your falsetower to know.

Lukuluku69:
Daniel was held captive by the Babylonians and not the Persians. The Persians set him and his Nation free as they did other Nations under the rulership of Babylon.
The jewish Temple was also rebuilt by a decree of king Cyrus who commanded that all images, Idols be returned to the nation they originated from.

No where in my OP did I write that Daniel was held by the Mede's.

Daniel 6:14 Then the king, when he heard these words, was sore displeased with himself, and set his heart on Daniel to deliver him: and he laboured till the going down of the sun to deliver him. 6:15 Then these men assembled unto the king, and said unto the king, Know, O king, that the law of the Medes and Persians is, That no decree nor statute which the king establisheth may be changed.

The important fact I wanted to convey in my OP is that the law of the Mede's and Persians cannot be changed.

That I also wrote in my article.

Lukuluku69:
Daniel was held captive by the Babylonians and not the Persians. The Persians set him and his Nation free as they did other Nations under the rulership of Babylon.
The jewish Temple was also rebuilt by a decree of king Cyrus who commanded that all images, Idols be returned to the nation they originated from.

I guess you know better than the writers of the Bible.

Daniel 5:30 In that night was Belshazzar the king of the Chaldeans slain. 5:31 And Darius the Median took the kingdom, being about threescore and two years old.

Daniel 6:1 It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom; 6:2 And over these three presidents; of whom Daniel was first: that the princes might give accounts unto them, and the king should have no damage.

Lukuluku69:
Take a good history book on The Medes and The Persian and educate yourself and stop posting rubbish on here.

And what did the history book say? that Daniel never existed ?

jcross19:
you are confusing yourself in order to prove your lack of bible understanding.

When you run out of lies you resort to insults.

Its a shame you could not refute even your own argument.

JMAN05:
I dont condemn them. Its there decision. Although I wish they see what am seeing, they are still not me. They have there decision to make just like i have mine to make. I respect that.

I hope you worship on the sabbath day? otherwise you fallowing pagan tradition of Sunday worship.

Valkrie:
All these people work with powers beyond this spectrum..

It could be his personal djinn taking his seat when he moved out..!!

The gesture was like to something he is familiar with or friendly with...!!

I Concur..

Majority of them are Satanists.

jcross19:
ahahahah you confused ! if the new covenant is still contains old law then is not a new covenant anymore. am asking you are you frying buns and making of unleaven bread for alter sacrifice? hope you pray you face the wall ?

Each response from you show that you are getting more confused.

There is no sense or logic in your statement.
God never said he was going to add a new law to the new covenant rather he said he was going to create a new covenant that contains the same old law but with different terms.

Click and read.

www.the-ten-commandments.org/does-the-new-covenant-abolish-the-commandments.html


https://www.ucg.org/bible-study-tools/booklets/the-new-covenant-does-it-abolish-gods-law/does-the-new-covenant-abolish-the-commandments

JMAN05:
The Bible recommends physical training. (1tim 4:

There are things that have pagan origin and up till now still maintain that significance. I feel that engaging in such activities will soil my relationship with God. For that will mean that am engaging in worship unacceptable by God.

Olympic is pagan and I still see it maintain that significance till date. Notice they always have that flame, without which the Olympic won't hold. I don't watch nor participate in Olympic games.

Thats OK if that is your belief. but don't condemn others who celebrate new year to appreciate God for see them through a year.

jcross19:
that's the new covenant and the law!

You are really confused.

What is the new covenant and law?

The new convenant contains laws, and my question is which law is that?

JMAN05:
Of course you can make your own decision.

Personally, I feel it will offend my God to copy pagans while serving Him. The encyclopedia shows how this whole thing came up.

Are there things in life unconnected to pagans? Yes. God has a way He outlined He is to be worshipped just like false gods have their's. God's ways can be gleaned from the scriptures.

The remembrance of Christ's death is originated by him. Christian assembly is not from pagans. To mention but a few.

You still did not answer my question.

There are things the bible are silent on, which are up yo our discretion to know if it is right or wrong.
Example in the Bible there was nothing like football and some sports which will participate in, are you saying that because some of those sports have pagan origin than those involved in them are going to Hell.
Do you know that Olympics have pagan Origin?
same with most of the products you use daily most have pagan or occult logo and symbols?

jcross19:
am asking you how many fowls and turtle dove have you used to clean your sins? how many people have stoned to death because of adultery?

None because we do not need those things again, Christ has paid the ultimate price by his own blood.

Those sacrificial laws have been done away and abolished by the death of Jesus.

Paul referred to them as shadows.
Colossians 2:17 King James Version (KJV)
Which are a shadow of things to come; but the
body is of Christ.

jcross19:
you did not see "new covenant" don't hide under gospel to mislead people you are just like wolf under sheep skin.

You craftily dodged to answer my question

Did the new covenant mean that it was a new law?

The bible said God will make a new covenant with them that will involve him putting his law in their hearts.
The question is which law is God talking of?

Even if we assume it was a new law, which law was that?

Hebrews 10:16
This is the covenant that I will make with them after those
days, saith the Lord, I will put my LAWS into their hearts, and in
their minds will I write them;

Jeremiah 31:33
But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of
Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My LAW in
their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God,
and they shall be My people.

JMAN05:
We should be happy that we survived to the next day, not just a single day, 31st December.

The new year is not the problem, but this festivities originated from somewhere, and much the same significance is still maintained till date.

The pagans originated the new year festivity. They did so because of false belief about a new year.

As a Christian, I feel that even if I want to start up a celebration, I wouldn't want to copy the pagans nor associate myself with there superstitions. Also, the Jews and Christians in the first century must be aware of these festivities, yet neither Jesus nor his disciples engaged in this pagan festival.

Read more..https://www.britannica.com/topic/New-Year-festival

Is there anything in this life that you can claim is totally free from pagan influence?

For me there is no big deal in one thanking God for a New Year and sharing compliment on that day.

jcross19:
Jesus did not die to uphold the law! Jeremiah 31:31-34-the lord says,coming when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah. 32 It will not be like the old covenant that I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand and led them out of Egypt. Although I was like a husband to them, they did not keep that covenant.
33 The new covenant that I will make with the people of Israel will be this: I will put my law within them and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. 34 None of them will have to teach a neighbor to know the Lord, because all will know me, from the least to the greatest. I will forgive their sins and I will no longer remember their wrongs. I, the Lord, have spoken. Am asking you how many goat have you killed to wash your sins.

Good, and which law was God saying he was going to put in their hearts? was it a new law?

JMAN05:
Thanks for remembering me. No doubt you are well meaning. However, I don't celebrate New year.

What is the sin in celebrating New year.

Are you saying that we should be sad or grief that we saw the new year?

Idiot leader.

MuttleyLaff:
No one has accused you of contradicting yourself, but jcross19, after you typed: "... Jesus had to die because the 10 commandments could not be abolished," was asking you that "ah, Jesus wanted to abolish the ten commandments before?" then abi?

There is no meaning to your question.
How would he want to abolish it if he offered himself to die in order to uphold the law?

MuttleyLaff:
Your very own fingers typed that underlined emboldened

How did I contradict myself?