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JMAN05:
I ve heard that position before. however, I think that is not consistent with the rest of the scriptures. For example, talking about the law being done away with, see what Roms 7:6,7 says

"But now we have been released from the Law, because we have died to that which restrained us, in order that we might be slaves in a new sense by the spirit and not in the old sense by the written code.
7 What, then, are we to say? Is the Law sin? Certainly not! Really, I would not have come to know sin had it not been for the Law. For example, I would not have known covetousness if the Law had not said: “You must not covet."

Paul gave the example of the law we were released from. it includes the ten commandment.

All the commandments in the law are still part of the law that if you fail one, you fail all. Jesus did mention that the second greatest commandment is love for neighbor (matt 22:39). Is that command part of the 10 commandments? So, you are implying that in the future, love for neighbor, the second greatest, will be done away with? That is just one, their many beautiful commandments in the law that are not of the 10.

All these are part of the commands done away with. like, i said before, it does not mean that its principles are not relevant today. it is.

matt 22:39

JMAN05:
verse 27 answers, "Law of faith". Christians are declared righteous by this law of faith, which is also the law of Christ. verse 28 explands by stating that it is not by works, ie, works of the mosaic law, but by faith. verses 29, and 30 shows that it is by this law of faith that someone uncircumcised is declared righteous. That would be against the law had the law been in force.




I know, and part of James point is that they were not obeying the love of neighbor law. (see verse but that law is not part of the ten. It is even more important than the others mentioned there. Yet, you cant observe neighborly love in isolation of the other laws mentioned there.

JMAN05:
God's requirement for christians.

MuttleyLaff:
10000% bet your bottom dollar correct

Peacefullove:
read the underlined and educate yourself on why animals have spirit too . Spirit in Man and animals is their breath. So spirit doesn't prove afterlife, same way animals having spirit doesn't mean they live on after death .


The 1. Is uncalled for , Soul can't mean Soul that's dubious and wrong . Just stop at 2 and 3. Apply it to everything else.

Maximus69:
Have you ever been specific for once?

Since your Church has adopted the TRINITY, you've become a fugitive with no specific FAITH!

So can you give a better explanation about the destination of the righteous?

Because God created humans and said earth is their home {Psalms 115:16} and Jesus promised to take his friends to heaven {John 14:1-4} So Mr fugitive, present a better correlation between the two ideas if you're saying Jehovah's Witnesses aren't 100% correct.

Peacefullove:
Psalm 104:29 is still there for you. Infact Ecc 3:19 says man and animals have the same spirit.

To burst your lies , Some translation uses breath but went ahead to indicate in their footnotes that it means *Spirit



God himself have soul

Isaiah 42:1 Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth;

I guess another entity lives inside God ?

Peacefullove:
You only successfully proved spirit means breath. NASB isn't wrong either.

Peacefullove:
Man has a physical being is a Flesh and Blood creature. In a statement of Yeshua he said To Peter Flesh and Blood did not reveal it to you which means no human reveal it to you .

So the same Bible says Flesh and Blood cannot inherit Kingdom of God, is the new heaven a Kingdom of God or not ? How will ressurection now mean giving dead people fresh body of flesh and blood to live in heaven ?

shadeyinka:
Interestingly, both the good and the evil, the righteous and the unrighteous will be ressurected.

The reason is because God had designed man to be a trinity of Body, Soul and Spirit and live as one eternally. Otherwise, if consciousness exists after death, there wouldn't be a need for another resurrection.

Maximus69:
I love the you use of that word,

THEORY!

And it's THEORIES that leads to PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS then BENEFITS follows immediately!

The only group having theories that's working are the Jehovah's Witnesses.

All what you typed up there are based on Credulity and the tradition of men that's why it's not working out what is beneficial in any religious group mimicking it!

All of you are saying heaven is your home because you are faithless and since you're going to die anyway you people console yourselves with the heavenly ideology, but what makes it obvious that you people have no FAITH, none of you can pick a specific date or time you'll like to go to heaven!

WHY?

Because you're enjoying life here on earth! Ecclesiastes 3:11 compared to Psalms 115:16

Keep deceiving yourself by following the faithless crowds whose form of doctrines is NOT YIELDING ANY FRUIT!

MuttleyLaff:
"¹⁷The reason the Father loves Me is that I lay down My life in order to take it up again.
¹⁸No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of My own accord.
I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again.
This charge I have received from My Father.” "
- John 10:17-18

"²⁵Jesus said unto her,
I AM The Resurrection and The Life
(i.e. I AM the one who brings people back to life, and I AM life itself)
he that believes in Me, though he is dead, yet shall he live;
²⁶Everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die--ever. Do you believe this?"
(i.e. And everyone who lives because of faith in Me will never really die. Do you believe this?)"
- John 11:25-26

"¹²If we have told you that Christ has been brought back to life, how can some of you say that coming back from the dead is impossible?
¹³If the dead can't be brought back to life, then Christ hasn't come back to life.
¹⁴If Christ hasn't come back to life, our message has no meaning and your faith also has no meaning.
¹⁵In addition, we are obviously witnesses who lied about God because we testified that he brought Christ back to life. But if it's true that the dead don't come back to life, then God didn't bring Christ back to life.
¹⁶Certainly, if the dead don't come back to life, then Christ hasn't come back to life either.
¹⁷If Christ hasn't come back to life, your faith is worthless and sin still has you in its power.
¹⁸Then those who have died as believers in Christ no longer exist.
¹⁹If Christ is our hope in this life only, we deserve more pity than any other people.
²⁰But now Christ has come back from the dead. He is the very first person of those who have died to come back to life.
²¹Since a man brought death, a man also brought life back from death.
²²As everyone dies because of Adam, so also everyone will be made alive because of Christ.
²³This will happen to each person in his own turn. Christ is the first, then at His coming, those who belong to him [will be made alive].
²⁴Then the end will come. Christ will hand over the kingdom to God the Father as he destroys every ruler, authority, and power. "
- 1 Corinthians 15:12-24

First and foremost, for the above comment somebody give blueAgent a chilled bottle of orijin plus a truckload of kolanuts and make blueAgent governor of his/her state of origin

Now about the thread's heading and question. Why there is a resurrection, in simple terms, is because the resurrection of our Lord and Saviour of the world Jesus Christ plays a pivotal role in propping up our faith in and/or assurance of victory over death. The resurrection bears testament to John 10:17-18 seen above. It proves that the whole essence of Jesus Christ, is not some empty talk, and that the resurrection serves, as a typical example of walk-the-talk.







"¹Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the old heaven and the old earth had disappeared. And the sea was also gone.
²And I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven like a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.
³I heard a loud shout from the throne, saying, “Look, God’s home is now among his people! He will live with them, and they will be his people. God himself will be with them"
- Revelation 21:1-3

In light of Revelation 21:1-3 above, you still have the guts, to be proof-texting again, with you comparing Ecclesiastes 3:11 and Psalms 115:16 to make a quasi point with, hmm Maximus69

Maximus69:
The resurrection is God's plan to reward the loyal ones (righteous) and those who only lived by conscience without formal knowledge of the true God, these ones God referred to as unrighteous!

Both will be resurrected back to life on planet earth NOT heaven! Act 24:15

God's original purpose for mankind is to live FOREVER on this planet, that's why all those faithful servants of God always talked about their hope of living again ON EARTH! Psalms 37:9-11, 29, Proverbs 2:20-21, Isaiah 65:21-25

But why did the story changed after the coming of Jesus the one called (Messiah)?

God's plan is for a government to be led by a PERFECT incorruptible human who will lead all obedient humans back to God {Isaiah 9:6-7} there is none of Adam's descendants who qualifies for this {Psalms 49:7-9} so God has to transform one of his angelic sons into an embryo and put him in the womb of a Jewish virgin.

This perfect man will
©Teach humans what God had in mind for creating them.
©Assemble a governing body in Jerusalem (the city where God chose for the sit of his government)
©Lay down his perfect human life as a ransom sacrifice for the sin brought upon humans by Adam.
©Resurrected and go back to his own home in heaven where he came from.
©His government will see to it that the earth is filled with the accurate knowledge of God.
©Disobedient ones will be exterminated by the resurrected Christ who will lead the angels in heaven to come and destroy all the enemies of God.

But Jerusalem has been profaned with the blood of so many faithful servants of God, the Jews kept killing all those sent to help them return to God's favour of having this government on their soil. Matthew 23:37-38

So Jesus begged his father for him to secure a place in heaven for this governing body who will be selected amongst his loyalists. John 17:1-26

Even Jesus' followers were devastated when he pronounced woe on Jerusalem (the place where they expected to stay and rule with him) that's why he revealed them the new plan! John 14:1-4, 15:15

That's how the idea of going to heaven became part of the plan, God will select only amongst the Christians who have been taught by his only begotten son to rule in heaven with the Christ.

Jesus said "of all those born by women there has never risen a man greater than John the baptist but the least in the kingdom is greater than John"
Matthew 11:11

This is so because John the baptist was the last prophet who saw and baptized the promised Messiah, but since he was not oppotuned to live as one of his students he can't be part of those going to heaven, his reward will be that of all other faithful servants of God before him which is a resurrection on planet earth.

John will be the greatest for two main reason!

First he is the one and only prophet who saw God's anointed one (Messiah) face to face, secondly John will be the only person who will tell us how Jesus really look like, his behaviour, his mother, brothers and sisters and so many other things we might wish to know about the man Jesus, because all the first century Christians who walked with Jesus were BORN AGAIN, meaning they're all going to heaven.

And none of those who live with him yet failed to believe in him will be resurrected back to life, they have been judged already {John 3:18} except the THIEF with whom Jesus personally made a promised of living in Paradise!

Thanks!

JMAN05:
Understand my position. I said that while christ was alive, the law was still in force. Jesus lived by the law, although he keep emphasizing the principles behind the law. Such principles are still valid. But after Christ's death, the law ended. Col 2:14 helps us see this, 'Christ nailed it through his death'. verses 16 to 17 stated that none should be judged on the requirements of the law again. It is just a shadow. Christ is the realty. It was after his death all these happened.

When someone has fulfilled the law, what need is there for the law? Will christ come back to refulfill it? Jesus didnt come to destroy the law, but to fulfill it. Yes, while Jesus was alive, he didnt disobey the law. He lived by it, that was the was to fulfill it. The principles found in the law is still good for us all. However, it has lost its authority as a means to weigh righteousness. But we can learn something from it even today.



There are principles in the law that is of interest to us all. However, had that man continually followed Jesus, he would come to know when the law finally ended. Jesus could even at that time state that any who follow him be circumcised. But later, that was no longer required. why? because Jesus death ended the law. Remember if you adhere to the law as a means for justification, you are obligated to keep every single pin of that law. Not just the weekly sabbath, but even other more that 7 sabbatical system. Do you keep all those?

JMAN05:
Thats true, telos does not only mean termination. but Vine's Dictionary that the above mentioned did not agree with the writers application of telos. The definition of telos that was taken is the fifth one. In Vine's work, he explained Rom 10;4 with Gal. 3:23-26 as the best explanation for that Romans 10:4. And verse 25 of that Galatians is in support of the law being out of the way. I understand the point the reference you quoted is making, I only wonder why the writer is not seeing the point since he read Vine's dictionary.

Paul stated that Christ is the end of the law, he continued by saying that anyone exercising faith may have righteousness. If you check verse 5, you ll notice that Paul quoted the law. That portion quoted conveys the sense that you can be righteous if you observe ALL the laws. However, the law of faith has a different slogan. That by such confession of faith in Christ, one can be saved. Now, not saved by obeying the Law, but saved by the law of faith. Paul drew a contrast from the law and faith. He was not linking the two. This agrees with the conclusion that telos there should be translated "end".

JMAN05:
Understand my position. I said that while christ was alive, the law was still in force. Jesus lived by the law, although he keep emphasizing the principles behind the law. Such principles are still valid. But after Christ's death, the law ended. Col 2:14 helps us see this, 'Christ nailed it through his death'. verses 16 to 17 stated that none should be judged on the requirements of the law again. It is just a shadow. Christ is the realty. It was after his death all these happened.

When someone has fulfilled the law, what need is there for the law? Will christ come back to refulfill it? Jesus didnt come to destroy the law, but to fulfill it. Yes, while Jesus was alive, he didnt disobey the law. He lived by it, that was the was to fulfill it. The principles found in the law is still good for us all. However, it has lost its authority as a means to weigh righteousness. But we can learn something from it even today.



There are principles in the law that is of interest to us all. However, had that man continually followed Jesus, he would come to know when the law finally ended. Jesus could even at that time state that any who follow him be circumcised. But later, that was no longer required. why? because Jesus death ended the law. Remember if you adhere to the law as a means for justification, you are obligated to keep every single pin of that law. Not just the weekly sabbath, but even other more that 7 sabbatical system. Do you keep all those?

JMAN05:
Thats true, telos does not only mean termination. but Vine's Dictionary that the above mentioned did not agree with the writers application of telos. The definition of telos that was taken is the fifth one. In Vine's work, he explained Rom 10;4 with Gal. 3:23-26 as the best explanation for that Romans 10:4. And verse 25 of that Galatians is in support of the law being out of the way. I understand the point the reference you quoted is making, I only wonder why the writer is not seeing the point since he read Vine's dictionary.

Paul stated that Christ is the end of the law, he continued by saying that anyone exercising faith may have righteousness. If you check verse 5, you ll notice that Paul quoted the law. That portion quoted conveys the sense that you can be righteous if you observe ALL the laws. However, the law of faith has a different slogan. That by such confession of faith in Christ, one can be saved. Now, not saved by obeying the Law, but saved by the law of faith. Paul drew a contrast from the law and faith. He was not linking the two. This agrees with the conclusion that telos there should be translated "end".

JMAN05:
Thats true, telos does not only mean termination. but Vine's Dictionary that the above mentioned did not agree with the writers application of telos. The definition of telos that was taken is the fifth one. In Vine's work, he explained Rom 10;4 with Gal. 3:23-26 as the best explanation for that Romans 10:4. And verse 25 of that Galatians is in support of the law being out of the way. I understand the point the reference you quoted is making, I only wonder why the writer is not seeing the point since he read Vine's dictionary.

Paul stated that Christ is the end of the law, he continued by saying that anyone exercising faith may have righteousness. If you check verse 5, you ll notice that Paul quoted the law. That portion quoted conveys the sense that you can be righteous if you observe ALL the laws. However, the law of faith has a different slogan. That by such confession of faith in Christ, one can be saved. Now, not saved by obeying the Law, but saved by the law of faith. Paul drew a contrast from the law and faith. He was not linking the two. This agrees with the conclusion that telos there should be translated "end".

JMAN05:
So, you are saying that there morning and evening in heaven, and that God has a cloth in heaven? These exist only in the physical universe, not in heaven. If the sabbath law was to hold in heaven. know that it is not just the weekly sabbath that law recommends, there are others.

The writeup of Isaiah is prophetic. Dont think that God is going to use the jewish calendar with its lunar months.

JMAN05:
Are you saying that in heaven, there will be Saturday in God's heavenly calendar? And that the calendar will cater for about 11 sabbatical systems? I don't think so. The statement is figurative of constant worship of God even in His new system of things.




Of course, Jesus course on Earth was to fulfill the law. After his death the law had been fulfilled. If the law is not out of the way now, we would wonder if Jesus would be coming to fulfill it a second time.

Romans 10:4 says that Christ is the end of the law. What do you understand by that?

JMAN05:
Are you saying that in heaven, there will be Saturday in God's heavenly calendar? And that the calendar will cater for about 11 sabbatical systems? I don't think so. The statement is figurative of constant worship of God even in His new system of things.




Of course, Jesus course on Earth was to fulfill the law. After his death the law had been fulfilled. If the law is not out of the way now, we would wonder if Jesus would be coming to fulfill it a second time.

Romans 10:4 says that Christ is the end of the law. What do you understand by that?

JMAN05:
Are you saying that in heaven, there will be Saturday in God's heavenly calendar? And that the calendar will cater for about 11 sabbatical systems? I don't think so. The statement is figurative of constant worship of God even in His new system of things.




Of course, Jesus course on Earth was to fulfill the law. After his death the law had been fulfilled. If the law is not out of the way now, we would wonder if Jesus would be coming to fulfill it a second time.

Romans 10:4 says that Christ is the end of the law. What do you understand by that?

JMAN05:
Are you saying that in heaven, there will be Saturday in God's heavenly calendar? And that the calendar will cater for about 11 sabbatical systems? I don't think so. The statement is figurative of constant worship of God even in His new system of things.




Of course, Jesus course on Earth was to fulfill the law. After his death the law had been fulfilled. If the law is not out of the way now, we would wonder if Jesus would be coming to fulfill it a second time.

Romans 10:4 says that Christ is the end of the law. What do you understand by that?

JMAN05:
Now that will take us to whether Christians should observe the mosaic law. I believe the law is out of the way.

For now, the Bible didn't stipulate any rest day for Christians, nor a special worship day as we can see in Judaism. We worship our God any day depending on the land you find us. Some do there's on Saturday and on Thursdays per week others Sunday and any other day.

We don't view our worship on weekends as more important than the one on week days. They are all worship.

Remember my point: I don't think we should join in any festival that has pagan origin and still maintains that significance till date.

Maximus69:
That's exactly what i've been telling you since!

Jesus is the new law that all earthly servants of God must keep in their hearts! Romans 10:4

If you can't find LOVE actively working in your midst, it simply means your religious group have failed woefully in keeping God's commandments that's in Christ Jesus our Lord! Romans 8:38-39

So stop and have a rethink because Satan has BLINDED billions making them think they're keeping God's LAW, yet that sign "LOVE" which is the proof of what they claim is missing in their midst! 2Corinthians 4:4

JMAN05:
Pls check that link I gave above. I have edited it. I have not seen your prove of pagan origin of Sunday worship.

Can I get the biblical reference of the day to worhip God you were referring to?

Maximus69:
You claim to be a Christian, so apply the logic to the church you attend FIRST. If your Church isn't in harmony with that then know that you're NOT worshiping in the midst of TRUE Christians!

LOVE is the predominant attribute of the Almighty God! 1John 4:8
There are other attributes like POWER, JUSTICE, WISDOM.

So you may found religious groups practicing the HYPOCRITICAL LOVE, but it can never be as sound and widely notable like those practicing the LOVE taught by Christ!

People may have reasons for avoiding wars, but it can never be widely notable like that of Christ's followers!

POWER is the ability to do WORK. So God's people will be noticed by their activeness and efficiency in God's work!

JUSTICE is doing things orderly without nepotism. God's people will treat all adherents equally no matter their financial status, physical capability or race.

WISDOM means the ability to convince other right thinking persons to willingly join you in doing what is beneficial for all. So God's people will attract faithful people to join them in doing God's work!

JMAN05:
I don't think so. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Sunday-day-of-week.

However, we do worship God irrespective of the day.

Maximus69:
You're 100% correct Sir, it's just that your logic is neither working anywhere nor with any group!

1Sharon:
We wuz kangs. Das rite.

Amujale:
Much of the material currently available have been salvaged by African historians working round the clock in order to ascertain the accuracy of their findings.

Furthermore, one has to understand that the reason behind the situation of the lack of tons and tons of books written by ancient African historians is due to the draconian policy of burning of books and literature sometimes the destruction of libraries on the continent adopted by both Christianity and Islam.

Nevertheless, modern day African historians arent phased as they have been able to methodically, analytically as well as making use of scientific techniques, reconstruct out of the available secular history all that was thought to have been destroyed by the liars and the fakers.

And now, African history is rightfully restored to its towering glory by the modern day pro-African academics, scholars and historians.

Our job is to mine these findings and make great use of them in order to make the world a better place for us and the coming generations.