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ctleurocollege:

Bowing to other gods in religious Context is a great sin against God.
1 Kings 19:18 Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him. Ps. 95:6 O come, let us worship and bow down: let us kneel before the Lord our maker. Is. 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. 23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear
Ephesians 3:14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ Rom. 14:9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. 10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

DownChelsea:
but you are setting pagan standards upandan, forcing gods on people, judging people who are undeniably “better” than you are.


P.A to God!

Bowing to other God's in religious context is a great sin against God.

1 Kings 19:18 Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel,
all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every
mouth which hath not kissed him.
Ps. 95:6 O come, let us worship and bow down: let us
kneel before the Lord our maker.
Is. 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of
the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. 23 I have
sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in
righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every
knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear

Ephesians 3:14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the
Father of our Lord Jesus Christ
Rom. 14:9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and
revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and
living. 10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why
dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand
before the judgment seat of Christ. 11 For it is written, As I
live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and
every tongue shall confess to God.12 So then every one
of us shall give account of himself to God.

Alexandro15:
Oh, how I missed this thread. I just wanted to reassure the OP that I am still Honouring Mary Make e pain am
PS. Op, you never replied my answer to you

Which question did you ask me?
1 Kings 19:18 Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him. Ps. 95:6 O come, let us worship and bow down: let us kneel before the Lord our maker. Is. 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. 23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear
Ephesians 3:14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ Rom. 14:9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. 10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

ctleurocollege:

Are this religious places or are they in religious context?

Alexandro15:
Oh, how I missed this thread. I just wanted to reassure the OP that I am still Honouring Mary Make e pain am
PS. Op, you never replied my answer to you

It does not pain me.
You are the one who is in danger of God's judgement and punishment.

DownChelsea:
So you do not know where christian doctrine takes one to?

Judge of humans!

Are Catholic doctrine Christain doctrines?

DownChelsea:
but you are setting pagan standards upandan, forcing gods on people, judging people who are undeniably “better” than you are.


P.A to God!

How are my setting pagan standard?

My OP and arguments are 100% in line with God's word.

I don't judge people rather I am drawing people's attention and mind to the hidden truth of God's word.
If you feel you and others are better than me that's fine, am not here to claim superiority but to deliver the truth on God's word.

On been P.A, am not even worthy to be called A slave of God how much more a P.A to God.

Things to ponder on.
What do you think will qualify to go to Heaven is it adherence to Human /Catholic doctrine or your adherence to God's word?

DownChelsea:
YUDONMINIT! I made a lot of good value from the sale. Why should I want to reverse it?

Secretary to Jesus!
Namer of Mary!

You made good value at the expenses of your Soul?
Ask yourself were will Catholics doctrine take me to?

DownChelsea:
but you are only obsessed with the true version of your religion simply out of jealousy for those who practice it

Am not the one who set the standard God did, every doctrine or teaching must match or be consistent with God's word alone . not my word but God's word.

And that I just did with my OP.

DownChelsea:
obsession.

This is not about obession but about my passion to put facts straight and to glorfiy God who alone is worthy of our praises

DownChelsea:
mr. purchaser!

You did not sell to me, go back to the Catholic Church they are the ones who are in possession of it.

DownChelsea:
but you are the only creature that refers to mary as simply “most holy”. Or do you want to fault yourself again?

.Invoke the name of Mary frequently during the day. Say three
Hail Marys in reparation for blasphemies uttered against the
holy Mother of God. Perform some act of kindness in honor of
Our Lady.
A Sinners Prayer to the Blessed Virgin Mary
O
most excellent, most glorious, most holy and ever inviolate
blessed Virgin Mary,- mother of our Lord Jesus Christ, queen
of the world and mistress of all creatures! Thou who forsakest
no one, despisest no one, who leavest in sadness none who
seek help at thy hands with pure and lowly hearts, do not
abandon me because of the number and hatefulness of my
sins, nor on account of the hardness and uncleanness of my
heart; do not refuse me, thy servant, a share in, thy favor and
thy love. Hear me, a wretched sinner, who trusts in thy mercy
and pity. Help me, O most loving Virgin Mary! in all my perils
and needs, and obtain for me from thy beloved Son, our Lord
Jesus Christ, the forgiveness of all my sins, the grace of the
fear and love of thee, chastity in body, and deliverance from
all the dangers which beset both soul and body.
I
n the last moments of my life be thou my kind, helper and
save from eternal darkness, and from evil of every kind my
poor soul, and the souls of my parents brothers, sisters,
friends, relatives, and benefactors, together with the souls of
all the faithful, both living and dead, through the grace of him
whom for nine months thou didst bear in thy most holy womb,
and whom thou didst place with thy holy hands in the
manger, Jesus Christ our Lord, to whom be all honor given for
endless ages. Amen.
The Sovereign Pontiff, Leo XII., by a decree of the 8. Congr. of
Indulgences, Jan. 30, 1828, granted to all the faithful who,
with at least contrite heart and devotion, shall say this prayer:
An Indulgence Of One Hundred Days, once a day.
Prayer Recommending Oneself to the Blessed Virgin Mary
M
y queen! my mother! I give myself entirely to thee; and to
show my devotion to thee, I consecrate to thee this day my
eyes, my ears, my mouth, my heart, my whole being, without
reserve. Wherefore, good mother, as I am thine own, keep me,
guard me, as thy property and possession.
Ejaculation:
M
y queen! my mother! remember I am thine own.
Keep me, guard me, as thy property and possession.
His Holiness, Pope Pius IX., by a decree of the S. Congr. of
Indulgences, Aug 5, 1851, granted to all the faithful who, with
fervor and at least contrite heart, shall say, morning and evening,
one Hail Mary, together with this prayer and ejaculation, to
implore of the blessed Virgin victory over temptations, especially
over those against chastity: An Indulgence of One Hundred
Days, once a day.
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DownChelsea:
but you are the only creature that refers to mary as simply “most holy”. Or do you want to fault yourself again?

The problem is that you have sold your sense for nothing.

Click this link and read it. and see if there is no Mary most Holy .


www.themostholyrosary.com/appendix8.htm

DownChelsea:
you have already undermined education, from this point your lack of understanding of what is written is more understandable. It’s still your L anyway

You are trying so hard to mask the truth with non relevant arguments.

Why not refute my OP show me how your honour to Mary is quite different from the one you give to God.

Am not here to discuss qualifications but am confident that my Educational qualification is far above whatever you will have in 3life times.

DownChelsea:
it is simple. Nobody takes you seriously cos you are only useful at making jokes. You’ve obviously been cracking all sorts of jokes on this your thread. Do you know a man (apart from youself) who refers to Mary simply as “most holy?

Clown, those prayers and the word Most Holy Mary were written by your Church, are you that Naive that you don't understand what your church doctrine are?

DownChelsea:
I initially diagnosed “schooling” as your problem. It is clearer now. Protestants are gullible, pls start your own establishment for you can further divide the protestant movement. You have small talent there. Make you some money

When it comes to spiritual things ones education does not count.

Am not here for views,comments or likes but am here because God laid it as a burden in my heart to point out the truth and to proclaim it.
Just like the prophet Jeremiah

Jeremiah 20:9
Then I said, I will not make mention of him, nor speak any
more in his name. But his word was in my heart as a burning
fire shut up in my bones, and I was weary from holding it
back, and I could not.

DownChelsea:
you have made mockery of yourself. All the “names” are yours by your own doing. What you call argument hasn’t passed the slightest test of validity. Your obsession is ultimately self destructive

Am having fun, while it is obvious my article is causing you great pain, take heart, that's the price you pay on your way to liberation from scam religion/Church.

DownChelsea:
read what you wrote again. It is an expanded “pray for us” . Once again you forgot the glory be, our father and sign of the cross that follow it.

How does it justify the fact that you are giving Gods honour to Mary.

Have you not read that God does not share his glory with anyone?

Isaiah 42:8
am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give
to another, neither my praise to graven images.

DownChelsea:
Eehyah! The lexical “Christian”! Do you know the 1st book to be written in the bible?
The obsessed fellow who calls Mary “most holy” without any word (noun) after the “holy”

Mr. only the minority will make heaven and have been making heaven.

As usual you never address any of the issue raised.

What has word noun has to do with the fact that Catholics believe and call Mary the most Holy?

DownChelsea:
this is what you made yourself look like. You have refused to embrace wisdom and shy away from the notorious protestant 2 dimentional understanding.

You talk about differentiation

YET
on this your obviously meaningless thread, you have equated respect with worship, you have equated intercessory prayers as God worship, you have equated residual Christianity(the nonsense you do in your church) with true Christianity, you have equated ignorance with knowledge, you even equated Mary to God, you equated veneration to worship, and you have been too literal in your interpretation of scriptures contained in a book that protestants can never understand.

Where is the intercessions in this prayer?

The Memorare
Remember, O most gracious Virgin Mary, that never was it
known that anyone who fled to your protection, implored your
help or sought your intercession, was left unaided. Inspired by
this confidence, I fly unto you, O Virgin of virgins, my Mother.
To you I come, before you I stand, sinful and sorrowful. O
Mother of the Word incarnate, despise not my petitions, but, in
your mercy, hear and answer me..

So Mary can protect? can have mercy and answer you?

What Happened to the Bible verse that says it is only through Jesus Christ we are to make our prayers unto God.

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and
men, the man Christ Jesus;

DownChelsea:
did you go to any form of school? Cos I wonder why a simple question is quite a job, for you to correctly answer. Or is your shallow pastor your only source of information and knowledge TOO?

Clown do you understandthe meaning of this?


MOTHER of God, most holy Mary.

If Mary is most Holy than it means God is not most Holy because 2 people cannot be the most Holy at the same time especially when you are comparing God and others.

There is no one as Holy as God.

Mark 10:18

And Jesus said unto him, Why call me good? there is none
good but one, that is, God.

DownChelsea:
this is what you made yourself look like. You have refused to embrace wisdom and shy away from the notorious protestant 2 dimentional understanding.

You talk about differentiation

YET
on this your obviously meaningless thread, you have equated respect with worship, you have equated intercessory prayers as God worship, you have equated residual Christianity(the nonsense you do in your church) with true Christianity, you have equated ignorance with knowledge, you even equated Mary to God, you equated veneration to worship, and you have been too literal in your interpretation of scriptures contained in a book that protestants can never understand.

How is this a prayer of intercessions?

Sub Tuum Praesidum
We fly to thy patronage, O holy Mother of God;
Despise not our petitions in our necessities, but DELIVER us
always from all dangers,
O glorious and blessed Virgin.
Amen.

DownChelsea:
this is what you made yourself look like. You have refused to embrace wisdom and shy away from the notorious protestant 2 dimentional understanding.

You talk about differentiation

YET
on this your obviously meaningless thread, you have equated respect with worship, you have equated intercessory prayers as God worship, you have equated residual Christianity(the nonsense you do in your church) with true Christianity, you have equated ignorance with knowledge, you even equated Mary to God, you equated veneration to worship, and you have been too literal in your interpretation of scriptures contained in a book that protestants can never understand.

Am still wondering what I missed.
Mary, Help of Those in Need
Holy Mary,
help those in need,
give strength to the weak,
comfort the sorrowful,
pray for God's people,
assist the clergy,
intercede for religious.
Mary all who seek your help
experience your unfailing protection.
Amen.
Morning Consecration to Mary
My Queen, My Mother, I offer
myself entirely to thee.
And to show my devotion to thee,
I offer thee this day, my eyes,
my ears, my mouth, my heart,
my whole being without reserve.
Wherefore, good Mother, as I am thine own, keep me, guard
me as thy property and possession.
Amen.
Prayer to Mary, Our Lady of Walsingham
O Mary, recall the solemn moment when Jesus,
your divine Son, dying on the Cross,
confided us to your maternal care.
You are our Mother, we desire ever to remain your devout
children.
Let us therefore feel the effects of your powerful intercession
with Jesus Christ.
make your Name again glorious in the shrine once renowned
throughout England by your visits, favours, and many
miracles.
Pray, O holy Mother of God, for the conversion of England,
restoration of the sick, consolation for the afflicted, repentance
of sinners, peace to the departed.
O blessed Mary, Mother of God, our Lady of Walsingham,
intercede for us.
Amen.
Prayer to Our Lady of Czestochowa
O Mother of God, Immaculate Mary, to thee do I dedicate my
body and soul, all my prayers and deeds, my joys and
sufferings, all that I am an all that I have. With a joyful heart I
surrender myself to thy love. To thee will I devote my services
of my own free will for the salvation of mankind, and for the
help of the Holy Church whose Mother thou art.
From now on my only desire is to do all things with thee,
through thee, and for thee. I know I can accomplish nothing
by my own strength, whereas thou can do everything that is
the will of thy Son, Our Lord Jesus Christ. Thou are always
victorious. Grant, therefore, O Helper of the Faithful, that my
family, my parish, and my country might become in truth the
Kingdom where thou reignest in the glorious presence God the
Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, forever and ever.
Amen.
Prayer to Our Lady of Fatima
O Most Holy Virgin Mary, Queen of the most holy Rosary, you
were pleased to appear to the children of Fatima and reveal a
glorious message. We implore you, inspire in our hearts a
fervent love for the recitation of the Rosary. By meditating on
the mysteries of the redemption that are recalled therein may
we obtain the graces and virtues that we ask, through the
merits of Jesus Christ, our Lord and Redeemer.
Amen.
Prayer to Our Lady of Guadalupe
Dear Mother, we love you. We thank you for your promise to
help us in our need. We trust in your love that dries our tears
and comforts us. Teach us to find our peace in your Son,
Jesus, and bless us every day of our lives.
Help us to build a shrine in our hearts. Make it as beautiful as
the one built for you on the Mount of Tepeyac. A shrine full of
trust, hope, and love of Jesus growing stronger each day.
Mary, you have chosen to remain with us by giving us your
most wonderful and holy self-image on Juan Diego's cloak.
May we feel your loving presence as we look upon your face.
Like Juan, give us the courage to bring your message of hope
to everyone.
You are our Mother and our inspiration. Hear our prayers and
answer us.
Amen.
Prayer to Our Lady of Lourdes
Blessed, most pure Virgin, you chose to manifest yourself
shining with life, sweetness and beauty, in the Grotto of
Lourdes.
To the child, St. Bernadette, you revealed yourself, "I am the
Immaculate Conception."
And now, Immaculate Virgin, Mother of Mercy, Healer of the
Sick, Comforter of the Afflicted, you know my wants, my
troubles, my sufferings. Look upon me with mercy.
By your appearance in the Grotto of Lourdes, it became a
privileged sanctuary from which you dispense your favors.
Many have obtained the cure of their infirmities, both spiritual
and physical. I come, therefore, with confidence in your
maternal intercession.
Obtain for me, O loving Mother, this special request. Our Lady
of Lourdes, Mother of Christ, pray for me.
Obtain from your Divine Son my special request if it be God's
will.
Amen.
Prayer to Our Lady of Mount Carmel
O Most beautiful Flower of Mt. Carmel, Fruitful Vine, Splendor
of Heaven, Blessed Mother of the Son of God, Immaculate
Virgin, assist me in this my necessity. O Star of the Sea, help
me and show me herein you are my mother.
O Holy Mary, Mother of God, Queen of Heaven and Earth, I
humbly beseech you from the bottom of my heart to succor
me in this necessity. There are none that can withstand your
power.
O show me herein you are my mother. O Mary conceived
without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee. (three
times)
Sweet Mother, I place this cause in your hands. (three times)
Amen.
Prayer to Our Lady of Sorrows
O Most Holy Virgin, Mother of our Lord Jesus Christ: by the
overwhelming grief you experienced when you witnessed the
martyrdom, the crucifixion, and the death of your divine Son,
look upon me with eyes of compassion and awaken in my
heart a tender commiseration for those sufferings, as well as a
sincere detestation of my sins, in order that, being disengaged
from all undue affections for the passing joys of this earth, I
may long for the eternal Jerusalem, and that henceforth all my
thoughts and all my actions may be directed toward this one
most desirable object.
Honor, glory, and love to our Divine Lord Jesus, and to the
Holy and Immaculate Mother of God.
Amen.
Regina Coeli (Caeli)
O, Queen of Heaven, rejoice! Alleluia.
For He whom thou didst merit to bear, Alleluia,
Hath arisen as He said, Alleluia.
Pray for us to God, Alleluia.
Rejoice and be glad, O Virgin Mary. Alleluia.
For the Lord hath risen indeed. Alleluia.
Oremus (Let us pray)
O God, who, through the Resurrection of Thy Son our Lord
Jesus Christ,
Didst vouchsafe to fill the world with joy; grant, we beseech
Thee, that, through His Virgin Mother, Mary,
We may lay hold on the joys of everlasting life. Through the
same Christ our Lord.
Amen.

DownChelsea:
this is what you made yourself look like. You have refused to embrace wisdom and shy away from the notorious protestant 2 dimentional understanding.

You talk about differentiation

YET
on this your obviously meaningless thread, you have equated respect with worship, you have equated intercessory prayers as God worship, you have equated residual Christianity(the nonsense you do in your church) with true Christianity, you have equated ignorance with knowledge, you even equated Mary to God, you equated veneration to worship, and you have been too literal in your interpretation of scriptures contained in a book that protestants can never understand.

Some evidence to ponder on.

The Memorare
The Memorare is a beautiful prayer that expresses our
confidence in the Blessed Virgin Mary. It is attributed to St.
Bernard of Clairvaux.
Remember, O most gracious Virgin Mary, that never was it
known that any one who fled to thy protection, implored thy
help or sought thy intercession, was left unaided. Inspired by
this confidence, I fly unto thee, O Virgin of virgins my Mother;
to thee do I come, before thee I stand, sinful and sorrowful; O
Mother of the Word Incarnate, despise not my petitions, but in
thy mercy HEAR and ANSWER me, Amen.


Anthony, like Saint Francis, was a passionate devotee of
Mary. In his sermons he expressed beautiful words of praise
towards the Mother of the Lord.
To the Blessed Virgin Mary
We praise you, Our Lady,
Our hope:
You, star of the sea, enlighten your children
overwhelmed by this stormy sea of sin;
let us reach the safe haven of forgiveness,
and, grateful for your protection,
may we conclude our lives
with the help of the One you carried in your womb
and fed by your holy breast.
May honor and glory
be with Him for ever and ever.
Amen
Our Lady,
Our only hope,
please enlighten our minds
with the beauty of your grace,
cleanse us
with the whiteness of your purity,
warm us
with the warmth of your visit
and reconcile us with your Son,
so that we may deserve to reach
through his help
the splendor of His glory.
With the Annunciation of the Angel,
he assumed his glorious flesh through you,
and wanted to dwell for nine months within your womb.
To him be honor and glory
for ever and ever.
Amen

DownChelsea:
did you go to any form of school? Cos I wonder why a simple question is quite a job, for you to correctly answer. Or is your shallow pastor your only source of information and knowledge TOO?

Your aggressive approach is not working, while not spend time and refute my argument rather than keep calling yourself names.

DownChelsea:
achievement? What achievement? Confusion? Division? And clowing up and down in lack of direction? You’ve been a joke enough, see if you can change that

Change what?

You asking me to change to paganism aka Catholism(the mother of all harlots)

DownChelsea:
I don’t believe a man can look mean acting overly senseless

I will take it as a compliment.

DownChelsea:
nobody has told you otherwise. Or has anybody faulted the scripture? Except you!

You Catholics have done so much harm to God's word and you people will never go unpunished.

DownChelsea:
this is quite too foolish a post. I could ask my children to pray for me (if I was Christian) the way Catholics ask Mary and saints to so, I could sing to my children, i could give them names and praise them in admiration. Doesn’t mean I take them to be my God. If an obsessed fellow like you walks up to me and asks me for clarification, I will oblige such fellow by stress the fact that my veneration of my children “in my heart” doesn’t equate to worshipping them “as my god”

Keep fooling yourself.
So at your age you cannot differentiate between to pray FOR someone and TO pray to someone?

sonmvayina:
i am not a christian and i am not a muslim....i am ibo from delta state......did you get that?

No wonder your argument is off point.

shiwex:
Lets see this business agreement materialize first before you start hailing Buhari. I remember a couple of months ago, it was the same thing with him signing an agreement with Siemens, omo the electricity still never show...

My brother this is all talk nothing will ever be built in Nigeria especially under this useless adminstration.

Were is the steel industry and other auto parts manufacturers required to sustain the plant ?

[quote author= post=85013826]This is one of the change we voted for .

Slow and steady we will get to a New and better Nigeria.

We are in a safe and secure hands.

God bless our darling Daddy,
President Muhammadu Buhari for all that he is doing to make our country work again.

The best President in the history of Nigeria.

Keep doing your good works for us Daddy,
Sane and honest Nigerians are with you and PYO.
Sai Baba!


God bless Nigeria. [/quote]Clown, keep dreaming by 2030 we will still have that plant on papers. dumb gov.