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Christianity Etc › Re: Evidence That Catholics Worship Mary. by blueAgent(op): 8:50am On Dec 10, 2019

Alexandro15:
If only the poster will devote his time to deepening his relationship with God, then it will help him beneficially.

Keep on carrying Catholics on your head. Catholic this, Catholic that.

What i have written is beneficial to God and Christaindom.
I would appreciate it if you can disprove my argument and show my how I am wrong.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Evidence That Catholics Worship Mary. by blueAgent(op): 8:46am On Dec 10, 2019

Glorymax:
Catholic this! Catholic that! Remove Catholic faithfuls from the face of the world and have a perfect world you dream, maybe that'll make you happy. People always attacking what they don't understand.
I blame those Catholics that doesn't understand their faith and live it.
I will leave you with this Scripture passages but first; Do you have original Scripture to read from, secondly; Can you get honest interpretation?
Please Read Gospel of Saint Luke 1 vs 26 - 49. May the Lord blesses you as you read and may the Holy Ghost Minister unto you.
I may not have time for open discussion, thanks.

How does this verse prove that she should be worshipped?
Does this Bible verse luke 1:26-49 make Mary equal with God, hence making her worthy of receiving God's praise?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Evidence That Catholics Worship Mary. by blueAgent(op): 8:36am On Dec 10, 2019

silentEXPLOSION:
Mary soliciting for help?
OR
Soliciting for help from Mary?

Sorry it was a mistake, I have modified the quote.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Evidence That Catholics Worship Mary. by blueAgent(op): 8:35am On Dec 10, 2019

DownChelsea:
you drink too much

I agree. But disprove my argument.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Do Man And Satan Have Immortality? by blueAgent(op): 8:35am On Dec 10, 2019*

jcross19:
wait oooh! when you are sleeping , you are still canal minded all the quotations about the dead have no memo in the grave simply all flesh end in the dust but the spirit can't trapped in the grave ! the quotations talk about the flesh and truly there is different between flesh and spirit. flesh dies, decay and returned to the ground but spirit that energized the body does not die.

Then show where it is written or explain while the dead do not know anything, are there spirit not supposed to know things?

Christianity Etc › Re: Evidence That Catholics Worship Mary. by blueAgent(op): 8:19pm On Dec 09, 2019*

silentEXPLOSION:
Yes. But I want you to understand most of the words are metaphorical, not literal.

But you will agree with me that those prayers were made to Mary by Catholics soliciting for her help.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Do Man And Satan Have Immortality? by blueAgent(op): 8:17pm On Dec 09, 2019*

Ihedinobi3:
I don't think you did. I only saw you reiterating the position that I was challenging, not answering the challenges that I offered to you.

But, no matter, it really would be a waste of my time and energy to engage any further. I don't think you will or can answer my challenges any better than you have done.

Since we know that man was made from the dust and God gave him breathe(spirit) then man began to exist

The question is, the Soul or spirit of man which you claim live after the death of a man, was it existing before the creation of the man or did it began existing when God breathe into Body of man (dust)?

That question is for you to ponder on.

Christianity Etc › Re: Evidence That Catholics Worship Mary. by blueAgent(op): 8:10pm On Dec 09, 2019

silentEXPLOSION:
You raised some valid points though, BUT
Catholics do not worship Mary.

She and other handful of saints are venerated.

Now, you said why would they be calling her blessed Mary?
In the bible, Luke 1:48, Mary tells her cousin Elizabeth, “All generations will call me blessed”.

In John 19:27, Jesus on the cross said, “Behold your mother”. And since Mary is not just Jesus’ mother but a mother for all, I see no reason why she shouldn't be venerated.

In your supposed Prayer to Mary,
I think it is simply an intercessory prayer not a direct attempt to obtain favours.

You have a valid argument though.

It is not intercessory prayer, take careful look at the words.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Evidence That Catholics Worship Mary. by blueAgent(op): 8:09pm On Dec 09, 2019

Sabby1:
I wonder oh!

Fictions are necessary for the people, and the Truth becomes deadly to those who are not strong enough to contemplate it in all its brilliance. In fact, what can there be in common between the vile multitude and sublime wisdom? The Truth must be kept secret, and the masses need a teaching proportioned to their imperfect reason.

To sow, that others may reap; to
work and plant for those that are to occupy the earth when we are dead; to project our influences far into the future, and live beyond our time; to rule as the Kings of Thought, over men who are yet unborn; to bless with the glorious gifts of Truth and Light and Liberty those who will neither know the name of the giver, nor care in what grave his unregarded ashes repose, is the true office of a true Christain and the proudest destiny of a man. ”

Christianity Etc › Re: Evidence That Catholics Worship Mary. by blueAgent(op): 8:04pm On Dec 09, 2019

Factgist:
Catholic churches have a lot of bad images thanks to its history... Read history, and you'll know the Catholic church has killed many people.. Including William Tyndale, Jan Hus, etc...Check out its controversial popes who had children, corruption at its peak, etc. The only pope I really respect is Pope John Paul II....

Worshipping Mary can be traced to Emperor Constantine's conversation to Christianity and establishing Christianity as a state religion in Rome without really abolishing the traditional gods, so the Roman traditionalists took along some of their ideologies to Chrstianity including 25th December as Christmas day or birthday of the Sungod who they likened to Christ; however I celebrate Christmas
Catholics say they don't worship Mary but they honour Mary

You are on point Bro.

Christianity Etc › Re: Do Man And Satan Have Immortality? by blueAgent(op): 8:03pm On Dec 09, 2019

Ihedinobi3:
I don't think you did. I only saw you reiterating the position that I was challenging, not answering the challenges that I offered to you.

But, no matter, it really would be a waste of my time and energy to engage any further. I don't think you will or can answer my challenges any better than you have done.

Revelation 14:13

And I heard a voice from heaven, saying, "Write, 'Blessed are
the dead who die in the Lord from now on!'" "Yes," says the
Spirit, "so that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds
follow with them."

I came across this Bible verse today, and i was wondering how those who died in Lord will resting and there soul and spirit will still be alive, conscious and working?

Christianity Etc › Re: Do Man And Satan Have Immortality? by blueAgent(op): 7:53pm On Dec 09, 2019

jcross19:
can you see someone who is quoting bible and trying to question the existence of his fellow mortal! you are a big fool that reason with his foot. very shameful simple question you are quoting out of point. the mortal died and return to dust why the spirit remain intact all the quotations are all talking about the state of canal or mortal body which dies and decays but the spirit never die. simple Jesus told the thief at left side that today you will meet me in the paradise then asked you that was Jesus drunk to made such statement if there is no life after death . If you want to argue, argue with Christ period not meet. your brain is equal brain of a fish.

If the Spirit was alive and conscious after death as you claim.
Why is that you don't know what is happening around you when asleep? why is your spirit or Soul not keeping record or seeing what is happening within your environment while you are sleeping?

Note the Bible likened death to sleep.

Many centuries later the biblical account of the death of
Lazarus, a friend of Jesus, illustrates death to be a sleeplike
state. “Now a certain man was sick, Lazarus of
Bethany” (John 11:1). Jesus decided to go to him, but, so He
could perform a miracle to strengthen His disciples’ faith, He
waited until Lazarus died.
Before going to Bethany, Jesus discussed the condition of
Lazarus with His disciples. He told them Lazarus was asleep
and that He was going to awaken him ( John 11:11-14 ). The
disciples responded that sleep was good because it would
help him get well (John 11:12). Jesus then plainly told them,
“Lazarus is dead” (John 11:14 ). Notice that Jesus stated
emphatically that Lazarus was dead, but at the same time He
described death as a condition like sleep.

Christianity Etc › Re: Evidence That Catholics Worship Mary. by blueAgent(op): 7:40pm On Dec 09, 2019

silentEXPLOSION:
Okay. You now have my attention.
Let me carefully analyse your original post

Lol....good.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Evidence That Catholics Worship Mary. by blueAgent(op): 7:39pm On Dec 09, 2019

And more pics.

Christianity Etc › Re: Evidence That Catholics Worship Mary. by blueAgent(op): 7:37pm On Dec 09, 2019

silentEXPLOSION:
And how is that your problem.
Face front

It's not my problem, but Christaintity's problem.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Evidence That Catholics Worship Mary. by blueAgent(op): 7:36pm On Dec 09, 2019

Here more pics and proof.

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Christianity Etc › Evidence That Catholics Worship Mary. by blueAgent(op): 7:34pm On Dec 09, 2019

Evidence that Catholics worship Mary.

    Catholics deny that they worship Mary they insist that they only honour and venerate her this is far from the truth as the facts prove that they do. We will look at the meaning of to venerate and to worship.
    Venerate means to value someone or feel great respect for them it also means to have and to show a lot of respect for somebody especially someone considered Holy or very important (Syn) Revere.
     Worship the practice of showing respect for God or a god by saying prayers, praises and to love and admire somebody very much.

The question is there anything that Christains do inorder to demonstrate their worship or devotion to God that the Catholics do not do to Mary? The answer is none.
Christains pray to God.
Catholics pray to Mary.
Christains sing praises and songs to God.
Catholics praise Mary with Songs and names.
Christains seek for God's guidance and protection. Catholics ask the same from Mary. Christains ask forgiveness of sin from God.
Catholics also ask Mary for forgiveness of sin.
Catholics refer to Mary as Mother most merciful,
The Bible states that only God is most merciful.
In the Bible God forbids Christains from bowing to images and statutes of any person or object in Heaven or Earth but Catholics bow to images of Mary.
The word of God is clear that only God is Holy even Jesus rebuked a man that called him good( Holy) he insisted that only his father, God was holy but Catholics refer to Mary as Holy(Holy Mother)
Lady of peace.
Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

They call her Queen of Heaven,mother of god's,holy mother e.t.c. This is because they see her as a diety rather than a mortal woman who humbled herself before God and was chosen by God as a vessel of Honour.
Their claim that they pray to Mary to intercede on their behalf becomes viod when you consider a sample of their prayer's there is a big difference between praying to someone and praying on behalf of someone, it is obvious Catholics pray to Mary. It is also a fact that Mary is dead and cannot hear their prayers because the Dead know nothing.plsams88:10, Ecclesiastes 9:5, Isaiah 8:9,

The issue of Worship is very important to God. If God did not tolerate Satan's desire to covert God's worship why would God tolerate Catholics worshipping Mary. even Angels refused to receive worship in the Bible
Rev 22:8, Romans 1:15; Colossians 2:18; Revelation 19:10

Apostle Paul and Barnabas also refused to be worshipped in the Bible. Acts 14:1-end
Acts 14:11 And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men.

If honouring Mary means giving her names,singing praises to her,bowing to her and making prayers to her Paul would not have objected to it when he was given similar praises and exltation.
Acts 14:14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,

In Conclusion.
The evidence and facts does not support claims by Catholics that they only honour Mary they practically worship Mary.
Even great men like David,Abraham,Moses who were highly honoured by God have never been object of worship(honour) like Mary has been to Catholics.
Praying singing,bowing,praising and showing Revere to Mary or anyone is not a sign of honour but worship it is better they acknowledgment it and make amends

Thank you.

Here is a sample of their prayer's to Mary.
Catholic Online / Prayers
We fly to your protection, most holy Mother of God; please
listen to our petitions and needs, and deliver us from all
dangers, ever glorious and blessed Virgin Mary.
Mary, our model and mother, by your obedience and patience
you have taught us how to be true children of God. Please
help us by your powerful assistance to overcome all our
weaknesses, and to fulfill perfectly our tasks in life.
By your compassionate aid may we ever stand in spirit with
you beneath the cross of Christ so that we may also rejoice
with you in your divine Son's triumphant victory over sin and
death.
In your maternal kindness help us to be faithful to prayers in
the company of God's Church as you were one with the
Apostles in the upper room as you waited for the promised
Spirit of Pentecost.
With your gracious assistance may we be near you in the glory
of Christ's kingdom come to sing with you and all the faithful
the eternal praise of God. Amen.
V. O Mary, conceived without sin,
R. Pray for us who have recourse to you.
You are all fair, O Virgin Mary,
You never knew the stain of sin;
You are the glory of Jerusalem,
You, the joy of Israel,
You, the great honor of our people,
You, the advocate of sinners.
O Mary, Virgin most prudent,
O Mary, Mother most merciful,
Pray for us,
Intercede for us with our Lord,
Jesus Christ.

Source:https://www.catholic.org/prayers/prayer.php?p=118

https://udayton.edu/imri/mary/p/prayers-of-saints-to-mary.php

www.w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/prayers/documents/papa-francesco_preghiere_20130629_maria-lumen-fidei.html

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 12:03am On Dec 07, 2019

Maximus69:
The one and only difference between God's arrangement and that of Satan is Orderliness (Organization).
Satan wants each person to stand for self appraisal and eulogising. he rebelled against the same orderliness in heaven, that's why you're seeing so much natural disasters occurring often and often {Mark 4:37-38} It's as a result of powerful spirits dragging territories amongst themselves, and their leader Satan is seated watching the survival of the fittest. Mark 4:39

The true God wants his own people to be ORGANIZED as one big happy family. He speaks of one whom he has appointed as leader and also approves heads for groups all within his organization unitedly working together with oneness of thought. 1Corinthians 1:10

So if you find out that there is unresolved issues amongst human on SACRED MATTERS, then know today that God is not in their midst! 1Corinthians 14:40

Wherever you see LOVE, JOY, PEACE and other attributes of God's holy spirit {Galatians 5:22-23} know today that God is present there because God is LOVE {1John 4:8, Mark 12:29-31} that's the main objective of all the commandments and prophets that has ever walked this planet! Romans 10:4

Jesus said he has conquered the world { John 16:33} because he has established a system by which Godly qualities will start reflecting in the midst of humans {Ephesians 4:24, Colossians 3:10} but only amongst those keeping his words. Matthew 7:28-29

So for you to start going back to the laws (commandments) which helped Christians to know how they were before applying the teachings of Christ is like telling a well dressed model to go back and carry the MIRROR {1Corinthians 13:12, Galatians 3:19-29, James 1:23} please for what purpose again?

Rather than replace or discard the law Jesus magnified and made the law more honourable just like prophet Isaiah said, by stressing or broadening the scope of the law Jesus demonstrated that the law abides forever.

Isaiah 42:21

The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will
magnify the law, and make it honorable.

E.g the people taught fornication was committed only when a man sleeps with a woman but Jesus taught them that a man who looks and dwells on the taught of a woman's looks has already committed fornication before God.
Likewise a man who is angry with his brother unjustly has already committed murder before God.
As you can see Jesus magnified and exalted the law rather set it aside.

Matthew 5:27-28 New King James Version (NKJV)
Adultery in the Heart
27 “You have heard that it was said [ a]to those of old, ‘You
shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that whoever
looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed
adultery with her in his heart.

◄ Matthew 5:22

But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother
without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and
whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of
the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in
danger of hell fire.

Matthew 5:28
►But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to
lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his
heart.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 11:49pm On Dec 06, 2019

Maximus69:
The one and only difference between God's arrangement and that of Satan is Orderliness (Organization).
Satan wants each person to stand for self appraisal and eulogising. he rebelled against the same orderliness in heaven, that's why you're seeing so much natural disasters occurring often and often {Mark 4:37-38} It's as a result of powerful spirits dragging territories amongst themselves, and their leader Satan is seated watching the survival of the fittest. Mark 4:39

The true God wants his own people to be ORGANIZED as one big happy family. He speaks of one whom he has appointed as leader and also approves heads for groups all within his organization unitedly working together with oneness of thought. 1Corinthians 1:10

So if you find out that there is unresolved issues amongst human on SACRED MATTERS, then know today that God is not in their midst! 1Corinthians 14:40

Wherever you see LOVE, JOY, PEACE and other attributes of God's holy spirit {Galatians 5:22-23} know today that God is present there because God is LOVE {1John 4:8, Mark 12:29-31} that's the main objective of all the commandments and prophets that has ever walked this planet! Romans 10:4

Jesus said he has conquered the world { John 16:33} because he has established a system by which Godly qualities will start reflecting in the midst of humans {Ephesians 4:24, Colossians 3:10} but only amongst those keeping his words. Matthew 7:28-29

So for you to start going back to the laws (commandments) which helped Christians to know how they were before applying the teachings of Christ is like telling a well dressed model to go back and carry the MIRROR {1Corinthians 13:12, Galatians 3:19-29, James 1:23} please for what purpose again?

Story telling.

The fact is that Jesus would not have lived a Holy life without him observing and keeping those 10 commandments.
You cannot separate law from righteousness, because for one to be righteous he needs to mediate on the law of God daily.

Psalm 119:97-101
Oh, how I love Your law!
It is my meditation all the day.
You, through Your commandments, make me wiser than my
enemies;
For they are ever with me.
I have more understanding than all my teachers,
For Your testimonies are my meditation.
I understand more than the ancients,
Because I keep Your precepts.
I have restrained my feet from every evil way,
That I may keep Your word.
Psalm 119:165
Great peace have those who love Your law,
And nothing causes them to stumble.

Psalm 119:1
Blessed are the undefiled in the way,
Who walk in the law of the LORD!

Psalm 119:172
My tongue shall speak of Your word,
For all Your commandments are righteousness.

Psalm 19:7-11
The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul;
The testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple;
The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart;
The commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the
eyes;
The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring forever;
The judgments of the LORD are true and righteous
altogether.
More to be desired are they than gold,
Yea, than much fine gold;
Sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
Moreover by them Your servant is warned,
And in keeping them there is great reward.

John 14:15
"If you love Me, keep My commandments.

Romans 7:22
For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.

Christianity Etc › Re: Do Man And Satan Have Immortality? by blueAgent(op): 3:19am On Dec 04, 2019

jcross19:
this is the reason you lack bible understanding! Is talking about our mortal body! ahahahahaha.

https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/book/e/30/t/hell-fire--a-twisted-truth-untangled

Christianity Etc › Re: Do Man And Satan Have Immortality? by blueAgent(op): 3:18am On Dec 04, 2019

Ihedinobi3:
As you said, the Scriptures cannot be broken. So, I don't believe that any part of the Bible can contradict any other. That was why I provided passages in the Bible that disagreed with your interpretation of these ones that you have shown here and others like them. Then I also went on to provide an interpretation that accounts for everything the Bible has to say about all this.

You have not actually addressed my arguments at all. As I said, you have tried rather to drag me into an exchange of insults and accusations/counter accusations. You have dismissed my arguments right out of hand too. But you have not actually looked at what I have said and what I have shown you from the Bible that disagrees with your doctrine.

I don't really care what you want to believe and teach. That is really your business, and I have no right or interest in interferring in your exercise of your free will. I have only interfered here because you are teaching this in public space where I am also responsible to offer protection for believers who come around these parts. My interference is purely to leave a witness to the Truth here for those who could be misled by you. If they accept my testimony, they will be safe. If they do not, they won't be.

I am done with our exchange. I will not be responding again to you.

https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/book/e/30/t/hell-fire--a-twisted-truth-untangled

Crime › Re: Sampson Nwokocha "Grave" Armed Robber Killed In Abia (Graphic Photos) by blueAgent(m): 3:12am On Dec 04, 2019

Larryfest:
Let him continue his robbery business in hell..

He is not in Hell now, The fact is no one is in Hell now till after the day of Judgement.

https://www.bibleinfo.com/en/questions/what-does-bible-say-about-deathhttps:

https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/book/e/30/t/hell-fire--a-twisted-truth-untangled

Christianity Etc › Re: Do Man And Satan Have Immortality? by blueAgent(op): 9:24pm On Dec 03, 2019

jcross19:
why should I be wasting my energy on son of perdition sorry sir!!! Jehovah' witness ! e go do you voom for eye.

This is a prayer of David to God, asking that God should
deliver him while he is still alive
The question is why is David saying that the dead including
him David when he dies, would not be able to praise God, if
the spirit lives on after death reason of affliction: LORD, I have
called daily upon thee, I have stretched out my hands unto
thee. 88:10 Wilt thou shew wonders to the dead? shall the
dead arise and praise thee? Selah. 88:11 Shall thy
lovingkindness be declared in the grave? or thy faithfulness in
destruction? 88:12 Shall thy wonders be known in the dark?
and thy righteousness in the land of forgetfulness? 88:13 But
unto thee have I cried, O LORD; and in the morning shall my
prayer prevent thee.ouldn't the spirit of David continue to
praise God.
Afterall the same David decleared that he will praise God
everyday.
Psalms 145:2 Every day will I bless thee; and I will praise thy
name
Or wouldn't God show his wonders to the spirits of David?
David explicitly called the dead the land of forgetfull ness.
Which is in agreement with what Solomon his son wrote years
later.
Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but
the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a
reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 9:6 Also their
love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither
have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is
done under the sun.
Here is David's prayer
Psalms 88:9 Mine eye mourneth by reason of affliction: LORD,
I have called daily upon thee, I have stretched out my hands
unto thee. 88:10 Wilt thou shew wonders to the dead? shall
the dead arise and praise thee? Selah. 88:11 Shall thy
lovingkindness be declared in the grave? or thy faithfulness in
destruction? 88:12 Shall thy wonders be known in the dark?
and thy righteousness in the land of forgetfulness? 88:13 But
unto thee have I cried, O LORD; and in the morning shall my
prayer prevent thee.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 9:22pm On Dec 03, 2019

Maximus69:
It's obvious you understand the scriptures more than i thought so continue associating with fellow believers having the same level of understanding and line of thought as you do.

Jehovah's Witnesses believes that we are free to commit anything we read that Jesus committed and any laws Jesus boycotted we will boycott, we are enjoying the benefits of oneness in thought and encouragement Sir

So you too can enjoy some interchange of encouragement, go and associate with fellow believers of your type having your level of understanding! Hebrew 10:24-25

God bless you Sir!

So for you is all about pleasing man and crowd rather than pleasing God?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 9:19pm On Dec 03, 2019

Maximus69:
Idiomatic expression for God's sake!

If the laws can buy salvation, why then did Jesus later said the guy (who had kept ALL THAT IS IN THE LAWS) can't be saved?

Did Abraham (who was declared righteous) knew or keep any of those laws?

Well Jesus asked the guy to GO AND OBSERVE THE LAW because all the laws and prophets were pointing to the Christ!

So if the guy thoroughly meditated on what was written in those laws he will realize that it's the Christ who is the embodiment of salvation that's standing in front of him!

Keeping the law cannot save anyone, what saves is the blood of Jesus the atonement for sin done by Jesus

We are aslo taught that faith without works is dead so if we believe that Jesus has saved us we are required to show or demonstrate our faith in him by living to please him
We don't keep the law because we want to be saved, rather we keep the law because we are already saved.

The role of the law is to point out sin

Romans 8:3-4 King James Version (KJV)
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through
the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful
flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us,
who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Yes Abraham knew and kept the law
https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/book/e/25/t/does-god-s-grace-blot-out-the-law-

Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 9:15pm On Dec 03, 2019

Hairyrapunzel:
Or the position of the wife in marriage is an inferior one.

The wife is not inferior to the husband by nature, I mean they are both humans and equal in that regards

But when it comes to authority and headship the Man is the head, so also God the Father and his son Jesus Christ, they are both God by nature..
But God the Father is senior to the Son because he proceeded the son.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 9:07pm On Dec 03, 2019

Maximus69:
I didn't claim it Sir, you too can read the Bible to know for yourself. The book (Bible) is just one big volume of 69 books containing 1,189 chapters and 31,200 verses in all Sir.

So go and study just the first five books ONLY, then you'll know if what i typed is true or false!

Ok, sorry for that but answer my question.
Is there any commandments or law given in the Bible that defines Sin or was given by God admist fire,tempest, earthquake, great sounds and lighting other than the 10 commandments?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 9:03pm On Dec 03, 2019

Maximus69:
So Abel, Eunuch, Noah, Job, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Joseph whose names were included in the book of remembrance {Hebrew 11:4-22} also kept what was written in those commandments shey?

You sabi too much Sir!

DID THE TEN COMMANDMENTS PRECEDE
MOSES?
Most leaders of professing Christianity insist
that the core of God’s spiritual Law—the Ten
Commandments—is done away. Repeating
what they have been taught without requiring
proof, they call it the “law of Moses” and
claim that it was abolished by Jesus Christ’s
sacrifice. But they do not know the difference
between the Levitical sacrificial rituals, the
law of Moses and the law of God.
A combination of ignorance and an attempt
to minimize the Ten Commandments as
“dispensational” (obligatory for a limited
period of time) has caused most to believe
the Ten Commandments did not exist prior to
Moses receiving them on Mount Sinai. Is this
true? Is this what the Bible teaches? While
other chapters of this book will address
whether the New Testament requires
obedience to these marvelous laws, our
purpose here is to examine the period from
Creation to Moses. Keeping in mind that
scripture cannot be broken, what scriptures
can be examined for proof?
Law of Moses or God’s Law?
The Ten Commandments were never referred
to as the law of Moses, but rather the law of
God. First, understand this! The law of Moses
consisted of (1) the civil laws, which were
statutes and judgments that Moses relayed
to the people from God, recorded in Exodus
21-23 and in the remaining books of the law,
and (2) the ritualistic laws (or Greek: ergon )
that were added later, summarized in
Hebrews 9:10 . They were ordinances
regulating the job of the tribe of Levi in
temple service, sacrifices ( Leviticus 1-7 ) and
associated functions. The word ergon means
“works,” as in the “works of the law” (such as
in Galatians 2:16 ). This refers to the labor
involving the Levitical rituals that were
abolished by Christ’s sacrifice.
The Ten Commandments were already in
force long before they were officially given
to Israel at Mount Sinai and this will be
demonstrated. In fact, these commandments
have existed since the creation of man. The
Ten Commandments were never part of the
law of Moses (addressed more fully later in
the chapter) or the Levitical sacrificial
system. The civil laws and sacrifices were
based on God’s commands, which constitute
the core of His laws. Thus, the Ten
Commandments precede and transcend any
and every lesser law or practice based upon
them—statutes, judgments, precepts, and
ordinances.
The Ten Commandments are God’s spiritual
laws ( Rom. 7:12 , 14). They are just as active
as the physical laws of gravity and inertia.
Just as breaking physical laws results in
physical consequences, breaking spiritual
laws results in spiritual consequences.
Sin Defined
Most human beings either do not know of or
do not like to be reminded of I John 3:4 ,
which defines sin: “Whosoever commits sin
transgresses also the law: for sin is the
transgression of the law.” As the subject
develops, you will come to see (in stages)
the central connection between sin and the
law.
Romans 6:23 states that “the wages of sin is
death.” Romans 5 explains, “Wherefore, as
by one man sin entered into the world, and
death by sin; and so death passed upon all
men, for that all have sinned : (For until the
law sin was in the world: but sin is not
imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless
death reigned from Adam to Moses , even
over them that had not sinned after the
similitude of Adam’s transgression, who is
the figure of Him that was to come)” ( vs.
12-14).
In other words, Adam sinned. Sin is not
imputed—does not apply—where there is no
law (carefully read Romans 4:15 ). Death
reigned from Adam to Moses. (Remember,
death is the penalty for sin, which is defined
as the transgression of the law.) The only
way that Adam and his descendants could sin
—break God’s spiritual law—is if God’s Law
already existed! Without this law in place, no
one could be guilty of sin.
Instead of rejecting sin, modern religionists
reject the law. They view the law as a burden
—they want to be free from keeping it. But
notice the key lessons found in Romans 7:7 :
“What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God
forbid. No, I had not known sin, but by the
law: for I had not known lust, except the law
had said, You shall not covet.” It is not the
law that is at fault—and Paul is clearly citing
one of the Ten Commandments—but sin. God
reveals to us what sin is. He does this by His
perfect law. On his own, man cannot discover
God’s perfect law. God has to reveal and
teach it to us.
Man’s First Sin
In the Garden of Eden, God talked to Adam
and gave him clear, understandable
instructions. Adam needed this. He was an
adult with an adult mind, but God had to
reveal to him the spiritual boundaries that
Adam could not discover on his own, without
breaking God’s laws. Genesis 2:15 states,
“And the Lord God took the man, and put
him into the garden of Eden to dress it and
to keep it. And the Lord God commanded the
man, saying, Of every tree of the garden you
may freely eat: but of the tree of the
knowledge of good and evil, you shall not eat
of it: for in the day that you eat thereof you
shall surely die.”
Adam was given instructions on how to
maintain the garden. He was also
commanded not to eat of the tree of the
knowledge of good and evil (not to decide
for himself what is right or wrong), and was
told exactly what the penalty would be for
disobeying this command. In effect, he was
presented with what would be the same
penalty described in the New Testament: “the
wages of sin is death” ( Rom. 6:23 ).
God revealed to Adam, and to his wife, Eve,
right knowledge about how to live. But He
gave them the freedom to decide whether or
not they would follow His way. This was free
moral agency, which God has given to all
mankind.
Satan, in the form of a serpent, told Eve that
if she took the fruit of the forbidden tree,
“You shall not surely die: for God does know
that in the day you eat thereof, then your
eyes shall be opened, and you shall be as
gods, knowing good and evil” ( Gen. 3:4-5 ).
Being gullible in the face of Satan’s shrewd
tactics, Eve fell for his deception and ate
from the tree, as did Adam.
Adam sinned by acting against God’s
command. He broke God’s Law. In doing so,
he became the servant of the one whom he
obeyed—Satan. This principle is explained in
Romans 6:16 : “Know you not, that to whom
you yield yourselves servants to obey, his
servants you are to whom you obey; whether
of sin unto death, or of obedience unto
righteousness?”
Whoever or whatever someone obeys and
serves is his god. In this case, Adam and Eve
broke the First Commandment by putting
another god before the Creator God . In doing
so, they also broke the Fifth Commandment,
by dishonoring their Parent , in the sense that
Adam was a created son of God (Luke 3:38 ).
Their sin also involved stealing (the Eighth
Commandment), in that they took something
that was not theirs. Besides this, Eve lusted
for the forbidden fruit. Lusting is coveting,
which breaks the Tenth Commandment.
Breaking one commandment leads to
breaking all of them. This is precisely what
the apostle James expressed in James 2:10 :
“For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and
yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.”
God’s laws are interrelated and intricately
woven together—if you break one, you
eventually break them all. Sin always spreads.
In Genesis 4 , Adam’s first son, Cain, became
angry against his brother Abel, because God
accepted Abel’s sacrifice, but not Cain’s.
Notice how God admonished Cain in verses
6-7 : “And the Lord said unto Cain, Why are
you wroth [angry]? and why is your
countenance fallen? If you do well, shall you
not be accepted? and if you do not well, sin
[impossible without the Law] lies at the door.
And unto you shall be his desire, and you
shall rule over him.” Cain murdered and
broke the Sixth Commandment.
When someone is in the wrong frame of
mind, sin does lie at the door, waiting to
happen, because sinful thoughts lead to
sinful actions. God commands us to rule over
sin—to control those pulls and impulses to
commit sin. Cain murdered Abel and lied to
God about it. This is a direct violation of the
Ninth Commandment, which forbids “bearing
false witness against your neighbor.” Cain
had sinned and he knew it. This happened a
few decades after Adam had first sinned.
Adam and Eve’s expanding family knew that
sin was the breaking of God’s Law, or God
would not have held them accountable.
Other Commandments in Force Before
Sinai
The Bible gives examples of each of the Ten
Commandments being kept before Moses’
time. When God called Jacob to return to
Bethel, where God had appeared to him
approximately 21 years before, Jacob warned
his people, “Put away the strange gods that
are among you , and be clean, and change
your garments: and let us arise, and go up to
Bethel; and I will make there an altar unto
God, who answered me in the day of my
distress, and was with me in the way which I
went” (Gen. 35:2-3 ). Jacob knew that God
forbade idolatry—breaking the Second
Commandment. By telling his household to
put away their idols,

this fulfilled the principle in Proverbs 16:6 , “By mercy and
truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the Lord men depart
from evil.” When Abram told King Abimelech that Sarah, his
half sister and wife, was merely his sister, he lied—another
breaking of the Ninth Commandment. Believing this,
Abimelech sent for Sarah. Now notice Genesis 20:3-4 , 6: “But
God came to Abimelech in a dream by night, and said to him,
Behold, you are but a dead man, for the woman which you
have taken; for she is a man’s wife. But Abimelech had not
come near her: and he said, Lord, will you slay also a
righteous nation?…And God said unto him in a dream, Yes, I
know that you did this in the integrity of your heart; for I also
withheld you from sinning against Me: therefore suffered I you
not to touch her.” In this situation, Abimelech would have
committed adultery, which is a sin. He would have broken the
Seventh Commandment. When Joseph was tempted by the
advances of Potiphar’s wife, he “…refused, and said unto his
master’s wife, Behold, my master knows not what is with me
in the house, and he has committed all that he has to my
hand; There is none greater in this house than I; neither has
he kept back any thing from me but you, because you are his
wife: how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against
God ?” (Gen. 39:8-9 ). Joseph was well aware that adultery
was sin. This occurred about 250 years before the law was
officially presented to Israel at Mount Sinai! The Lesson of
Manna During their march to the Promised Land, God told the
Israelites to gather their daily amount of manna each
morning. On the morning before the weekly Sabbath there
would be enough for both days. This was because no manna
would appear on the Sabbath, God’s day of rest. God intended
that the Israelites rest on the Sabbath, rather than spend time
gathering manna. This account is given in Exodus 16. In verse
28, after some of the people deliberately broke the Sabbath by
attempting to gather manna, God told Moses, “How long
refuse you [Israel] to keep My commandments and My laws?”
Now notice verses 29-30: “See, for that the Lord has given you
the Sabbath, therefore He gives you on the sixth day the bread
of two days; abide you every man in his place, let no man go
out of his place on the seventh day. So the people rested on
the seventh day.” So, the Fourth Commandment was in effect
before the Law was given at Mount Sinai. By the time Israel
entered the land of Canaan, the nations there had “run the full
course”—they had surpassed the threshold of moral collapse,
much like nations have done today. God knew that this would
happen and had told Abram about it, over 400 years earlier:
“And you shall go to your fathers in peace; you shall be buried
in a good old age. But in the fourth generation they [Abram’s
seed—the nation Israel] shall come here again: for the iniquity
of the Amorites is not yet full” (Gen. 15:15-16 ). Here, the
word “iniquity” comes from the Hebrew word avon, which
means “perversity, mischief or sin.” If there had been no law
in force, there would not have been any iniquity or sin for the
Amorites, or any other nation, to commit. Refer to Leviticus
18:3 , 19-30 for more description of the iniquity and
abominations committed by the Canaanites. They included
sacrificing—murdering—their children in the fire of the false
god Molech, every form of adultery and sexual perversity, and
profaning the name of God, among other sins. Take a look at
the pre-Flood world: “And God saw that the wickedness of
man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the
thoughts of his heart was only evil continually” ( Gen. 6:1-3 ,
5-6 ). The word “wickedness” used here comes from the
Hebrew word rah , which means “exceedingly evil.” So wicked
was mankind that verse 6 tells us, “And it repented the Lord
that He had made man on the earth, and it grieved Him at His
heart.” This wickedness brought every conceivable type of sin
and blatant disregard for the sanctity of life. These sins were
imputed—pointed out—by the laws of God—the Ten
Commandments, which existed from the creation of mankind.
These examples show that all the Ten Commandments
preceded Moses. From Adam to Moses, all men had sinned—
had broken God’s laws, the Ten Commandments. That is why
God commended Abraham, saying, “Abraham obeyed My
voice, and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes
and My laws” ( Gen. 26:5 ).

Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 8:57pm On Dec 03, 2019

Maximus69:
So Abel, Eunuch, Noah, Job, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Joseph whose names were included in the book of remembrance {Hebrew 11:4-22} also kept what was written in those commandments shey?

You sabi too much Sir!

Yes they kept it

One thing you fail to understand is that that the 10commandments were existing before God gave it to the Israelites on mount Sinai.
https://www.nairaland.com/3038010/ten-commandements-preceded-moses

Secondly God said that Abraham kept his commandments.
Genesis 26:5 , hundreds of years before God spoke to Moses and Israel at Mt. Sinai: “Abraham obeyed me and kept my requirements, my commands, my decrees and my laws” (NIV
https://www.ucg.org/bible-study-tools/booklets/the-new-covenant-does-it-abolish-gods-law/did-abraham-keep-the-same-commandments-god-gave-to-moses

Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 8:56pm On Dec 02, 2019

Maximus69:
My friend,
I'll be guiltless for FORNICATION and STEALING if Jesus had taught me how to do the two!

You're no longer at EASE because you find it really difficult to refute what i'm typing!

That's FRUSTRATION!

Well FRUSTRATION comes when you're battling to establish what is not true or when you're trying to refute what is obvious!

I wanted to leave you with your TRINITY friends but you keep quoting me as if you can REFUTE WHAT I'M TYPING!

For your information i'm one of God's servants today!
Silencing falsehood by the words of our mouth is our heritage.
So do not be amazed that you find it extremely difficult to CONDEMN our form of righteousness, it due to the fact that our righteousness is from JEHOVAH the "one and only TRUE GOD"! Isaiah 54:17

The Old Testament always informs us through
the prophets as to what changes are coming in
the future. Note the following scripture. Amos 3:7“Surely the
Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his
servants the
prophets.” So what did the Old Testament say about the New
Covenant? Jeremiah 31:33 “But this shall be the covenant
that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days,
saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and
write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be
my people.”
Does this verse say God will put a “new” law in
their hearts? Or does it say His law “except” His Sabbath
being the fourth Commandment? No! The law that God said
He is going to write into the hearts of His people is “His law”
as it exists in the Old Testament! Hence God is saying that
there is going to be NO change to His law with the New
Covenant.
Some trying to avoid God's law have said that
the Old Covenant was made with Israel and so the Ten
Commandments were only for Israel. But note that the New
Covenant was also made ONLY with the “House of Israel.”
This is covered in detail in is the Sabbath for Israel only but in
the meanwhile know that the Bible tells us that if we are
Christ's then we are Abraham's seed and “children of Israel”
or the “House of Israel.” Honestly, how could any sane person
think that God would expect one group to obey His law and
allow everyone else to sin? (1 John 3:4) Paul elaborates
further on the purpose of the law, “What shall we say then? Is
the law sin? God forbid. No, I had not known sin, but by the
law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, You
shall not covet.” Romans 7:7Below is the New Testament
fulfilment of
Jeremiah 31:33 in regards to the New Covenant. Hebrews
8:6-10 “But now has he obtained a more excellent ministry, by
how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which
was established upon better promises. 7 For if that first
covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been
sought for the second. 8 For finding fault with them, he saith,
Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new
covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of
Judah: 9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their
fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them
out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my
covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. 10 For this
is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after
those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind,
and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God,
and they shall be to me a people:”
God made a covenant with His children when
He lead them by the hand out of the land of
Egypt. (verse 9). The Bible tells us that Christ
came as the Mediator of a New Covenant (verse 6) The belief
that the New Covenant abolishes the Ten Commandments
reflects a misunderstanding of both covenants. God tells us
that He altered the original covenant and made “a better
covenant, which was established upon better promises” (verse
6). But as we have already seen, it was not established on
different laws. The law stayed the same. There was however a
weakness or fault in the original covenant. That fault was with
the people, NOT with the law. “For finding fault with them, he
saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make
a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of
Judah:” (verse . It was “because they continued not in my
covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.” (verse 9).
In the Old Covenant God wrote His Ten Commandments on
tablets of stone. It was external and not part of the thinking
and motives of the people. It was in their literature but NOT in
their hearts. In the New Covenant God writes His law “into
their minds, and writes them in their hearts.” (verse 10). To
enable people to internalise His law, to love it and obey it
eagerly and willingly, God makes this promise, Ezekiel
36:26-27 “A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit
will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out
of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.27 And I will
put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my
statutes, and you shall keep my judgments, and do them.” See
also the two Covenants.

https://www.nairaland.com/3615455/does-new-covenant-abolish-ten

Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 8:50pm On Dec 02, 2019

Maximus69:
You hastily concluded something is wrong when you've not meditated thoroughly on the material presented to you!

Well God never raised any law above the others, there was nothing like superiority in all the over 600 laws God commanded Moses to write down for the children of Israel, whoever omits any of those laws is equally guilty of all! Joshua 8:43

God purposely penned down TEN of the laws on a stone tablet for two main reasons!
Firstly there was no nation under the heavens back then that's having such massive laws, so for the Israelites and their descendants to believe and continue remembering that those laws are divine God penned TEN down with his own fingers! It was to serve as a reminder for their generations after generations.

Secondly God instructed the Israelites to inculcate and impress those laws in hearts of their sons and daughters including the infants in their midst {Deuteronomy 6:6-9, 2Timothy 3:15} you and i know that there is no way an infant can memorize all that so it will be lot easier for their little ones and a stranger in their midst to quickly learn and remember "the first TEN" just as your little child could recite 1~10 offhand!

For your information Sir, all the scriptures from Genesis to Malachi was considered God's laws because whatever each prophet said or did is impressed in the hearts of the people as part of what they needed to know!

It was the Samaritans who refused to accept any other book as inspired apart from the five books of Moses, that was why Jesus told them "You worship what you do not know (Satan the deceiver) we worship what we know (Jehovah the true God) salvation originates with the Jews" John 4:22

So when Jesus summarized everything into two laws he is telling his own followers that [b]there is no reason for any laws (commandments) if they're able to LOVE the true God and their neighbours, that's what he meant when he said "on these TWO (laws) all the (over 600) laws and the prophets HANGS!" Matthew 22:40

Notice what Jesus said there, "on these two all the laws HANGS and the PROPHETS" If Adam and Eve have practiced these TWO there won't be any need for any ADDITIONAL laws! Genesis 2:16-17

According to what Moses taught them, anyone that HANGS is CURSED! Numbers 25:4, Deuteronomy 21:22-23, Joshua 10:26
That's why Apostle Paul said "Christ is THE END of the law to those who believes" Romans 10:4
Meaning "All those laws seizes to exist IN THE LIFE OF CHRISTIANS, Christians need not study the laws that served as a covenant between God and Israelites but Jesus Christ (the mediator of another covenant)" Jeremiah 31:31-34 compared to Galatians 3:18-26

So my friend, Jesus has CANCELLED all those laws(commandments) and replaced them with just two, that's the reason why the Jews who so much cherish those laws rejected the Christ whom Moses (the mediator of the law covenant) already told them that is coming to teach them what they must do to gain salvation(Paradise)! Deuteronomy 18:15-18

If truthfully you believe in Jesus Christ, you have NO BUSINESS with the old covenant (Mosaic laws) Christ is our own law! Romans 10:4

God bless you Sir!

Out of the 600 laws you claim were there any of those laws that was given to Man and Israelites that was given in the way and manner the 10 commandments were given?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 8:35pm On Dec 02, 2019

Maximus69:
Hmmmmmmmmm,

This is why i told you "you need Jehovah's Witnesses to help you out"

If by now you still find it difficult to DEFINE SIN, then you really really need to study the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses!

For your information, SIN was whatever God's faithful prophets kick against that's why the scriptures from Genesis to Malachi was considered as the LAW. Because whatever any of God's prophets abhor is known as SIN!

But today God's only begotten son {John 3:16} who has been with the father from the beginning {John 1:1,18} has REDEFINED SIN by his WORDS, THOUGHTS and ACTIONS!

So you and i have to erase whatever imperfect humans who served as prophets taught Israelites in the past regarding SIN {Galatians 3:10-14} and fully comply with whatever protrudes out of the mouth of God's only begotten son "JESUS"! {Hebrew 1:1-2} Because the covenant between God and the Israelites through which those laws came into existence DOESN'T CONCERN YOU, since you're from another race!

Jesus is now in charge of all matters, including the judgment of both the living (you and i) and the dead (all Adam's descendants including those so called prophets), that's why his faithful followers calls Jesus "LORD" Act 2:36 !

So my friend, in a nutshell (SIN) is whatever Jesus abhors' that's why you need to be in the midst of those earnestly studying the Bible to assimilate the life and ministry of Jesus, that's the only means to unravel the works of Satan (SIN)! 1John 3:8

Clown. Even in the new convanant that God will make with Israel, the law still exist but it was transferred from tables of stone to the hearts of the Israelites and Christains in general
Jeremiah 31:31-34 King James Version (KJV)
31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a
new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of
Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their
fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them
out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake,
although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the
house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my
law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will
be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour,
and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they
shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of
them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will
remember their sin no more..

Secondly as you claim that you know to much, i feel greatly disappointed that you do not know that all those who believe and have faith in Jesus and his atonement are adopted.

Israelites.

Romans 9:7 Context
4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the
glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the
service of God , and the promises; 5Whose are the fathers, and
of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came , who is over all,
God blessed for ever. Amen. 6Not as though the word of God
hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of
Israel: 7Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are
they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8That
is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the
children of God: but the children of the promise are counted
for the seed. 9For this is the word of promise, At this time will
I come, and Sara shall have a son. 10And not only this; but
when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac

Resource by John Piper
Scripture: Galatians 3:6–9 Topic: Adoption
Thus Abraham "believed God, and it was reckoned to him
as righteousness." So you see that it is men of faith who
are the sons of Abraham. And the scripture, foreseeing
that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the
gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "In you shall all the
nations be blessed." So then, those who are men of faith
are blessed with Abraham who had faith.

Galatians 3:29
Verse Concepts
And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's
descendants, heirs according to promise.

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