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Finnese001:
Blamed for hoeing around

Blamed for moving in with underage fraudster because of money

Blamed for cheating on a nigga that is sheltering and providing for her due to her own selfishness

She deserves all the fucking blame bro

Why not blame the nigga who took a snake and tried to turn it into a dog or pet.

Doktajay5:
Ode, your understanding is very poor. Sorry I can't help u if this I what u could make out of my post/comment.

Come to think of it, for every action, there's consequence. The extent is what you can't decide. So why are u surprised? Death is one of it. Is only unfortunate and it is what it is.

Nothing justifies murder and so I won't try to justify it for any reason. But at the same time, that doesn't validate prostitution or give reason why it should be. Cos the sequale can be catastrophic just like this, and u can't control the extent it can go in harm either way.


The idiot like u out of anger and poor anger management did the life ending evil to her and himself. Is just unfortunate she died.

This, only, is the point I raise against the comment I quoted.

But u have a flat brain to comprehend. It's OK though... @ least, I know people like u. Wana be's

As for being heart broken by a prostitute..
Lol.
Well such thought can only come from ur type of
brain after reading my comment. Pele..

For the records, I don't do prostitutes okkk...

But for the sake of advise, and for ur type of poor, moribund brain, It will serve u right to at least save ur miserable life for all is worth, by avoiding them...

I know u fetch the cheap, genital wart infected, HIV ladden ones. Of course u can't afford the fresh healthy ones.

Either way, all are actually on another level in reasoning. Avoid them and grow up first. When u arrive, u can die in between their legs for all is worth.

See Eassy!!!!!


Gosh!!!! do you have to go to such extent, I mean to throw tantrum and insults just to hide your inferiority?
I never said prostitution was a noble proffession neither do I support it in any way.

I stand for justice no matter what she did cheating or not, he has no right to take her life in such manner.

I can see the pain and hurt in your write-up is like they were hard on you?
What went wrong?
You could not pay or you were underage?Lollllllll.

Your write-up is an express image of your age and maturity, I guess you just finished junior wace or at most Wace, just try and upgrade till then you are a loser.

Get a life.

jcross19:
1peter 3:18-21 21 New International Version (NIV)
18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. 19 After being made alive,[a] he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God.[b] It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Now who are the guys in the spirit prison.

1 Peter 3:18
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the
unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death
in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit.
Christ, who is righteous, took upon himself the sins of his
unrighteous people. Christ suffered for his people ( Isa
53:1-12 ). We remember that Peter already mentioned the
concept suffering unjustly (see 1 Pet. 2:20-24 ; 3:14 , 17). Now
he states that Christ suffered, not for the righteous, but for the
unrighteous.
Jesus is "the Holy and Righteous One" ( Acts 3:14 ; 7:52 ; 22:14 ;
1 John 2:1 , 29). Jesus is righteous, that is, without sin. As
Paul writes, "God made him who had no sin to be sin for us,
so that in him we might become the righteousness of God" (2
Cor. 5:21 ). Jesus fulfilled God's demand for justice, paid the
penalty that was ours, and offered himself as a sacrifice "to
take away the sins of many people" (Heb. 9:28 ; cf. Isa 53:12 ).
Jesus "was put to death in the body but made alive by the
Spirit." See Romans 1:4 ; 8:9-11 . See WCF 8.2; 8.7; BC 21; HC
16, 37.
The same Spirit that raised Jesus from the dead (1 Pet. 3:18 ;
Gen. 6:3 ) saves repentant sinners by grace alone ( John 3:1-8 ;
cf. Gen. 6:8 ; Eph. 2:8-10 ).
1 Peter 3:19-20
By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in
prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the
longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the
ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were
saved by water.
Four main interpretations of have been promoted of 1 Peter
3:19-20 :
(1) The section refers to preincarnate preaching (i.e., that
Christ preached through Noah [cf. 2 Pet. 2:5 ] to Noah's
wicked contemporaries while they were still alive). He
called them to repentance, but they disobeyed and are
now imprisoned. The point of Peter's argument would
then be the parallel between God's vindication of Noah in
a world of unbelievers and his vindication of Christians in
similar circumstances. This is the most reasonable
interpretation of our passage.
(2) This passage refers to preresurrection preaching (i.e.,
preaching that occurred between Christ's death and
resurrection, during a "descent into hell". One variation of
this view holds that Christ announced his victory and their
doom to the spirits of Noah's wicked contemporaries in
the place of the dead.
(3) Another version of the preresurrection approach holds
that Christ proclaimed the same message to fallen angels,
who are often identified with the "sons of God" of Genesis
6:2 , 4 (cf. Job 1:6 ; 2:1 ), in their place of confinement.
(4) These two verses refer to postresurrection preaching
(i.e., Christ proclaimed his victory to fallen angels at the
time of his ascension into heaven). The point of the last
three interpretations is that just as Jesus was vindicated,
so God will vindicate Christians. In no case was Peter
suggesting that Christ offered deceased unbelievers an
opportunity to receive the gospel and thus be saved.
One should probably agree with Grudem on his interpretation:
19. Taken by itself, the phrase spirits in prison could refer
either to human spirits in hell or to fallen angelic spirits in
hell. 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 1:6 speak of sinful angels being
imprisoned and punished, while Luke 16:23-24 and 2 Peter
2:9 refer to unbelievers who have died and are in a place
of punishment. . . . and in every case where it means
'angelic spirit' as well as every case where it means
'human spirit' the context makes it clear what kind of spirit
is meant.
20. The spirits in prison are those who formerly did not
obey (better: 'disobeyed', since the word has a sense of
active rebellion), when God's patience waited in the days
of Noah, during the building of the ark. These phrases
indicate that only human spirits can be intended, for
nowhere in the Bible or in Jewish literature outside of the
Bible are angels ever said to have disobeyed 'during the
building of the ark'. Genesis 6:5-13 clearly emphasizes the
human sin, which provoked God to flood the earth in
judgment. . . . When God's patience waited in the days of
Noah also suggests human, rather than angelic,
disobedience. God's patience waited for human beings to
repent before bringing the judgment of the flood (this is
also a frequent theme in extra-biblical literature), but never
is there any hint that fallen angels have a chance to repent
- it is only given to sinful human beings (cf. 2 Pet. 2:4 ;
Jude 1:6 ).
But why does Peter refer to 'spirits' if he has in view
disobedience by human beings who were not just 'spirits'
but bodies as well? This is best explained by
understanding the text to mean 'spirits who are now in
prison' (i.e. at the time Peter was writing), but who were
people on earth at the time of Noah, when Christ was
preaching to them. (The NASB translates, 'the spirits now
in prison'.) A similar expression is found a few verses
later at 1 Pet. 4:6 , 'For this is why the gospel was
preached even to the dead', which is best understood to
mean 'the gospel was preached to those who are now
dead' (but who were alive when the gospel was preached
to them; see discussion below). One can speak the same
way in English: 'Queen Elizabeth was born in 1926' is an
appropriate statement, even though she was not Queen
when she was born - we mean 'She who is now Queen
Elizabeth was born in 1926.'
The phrase who formerly did not obey is better translated
'when they formerly disobeyed', thus specifying that this
was the time when Christ 'in spirit' preached to these
people: i.e. 'when they formerly disobeyed when God's
patience was waiting in the days of Noah, during the
building of the ark.' Peter elsewhere mentions ideas
similar to the thought that Christ 'in spirit' preached
through Noah, for in 1 Pet. 1:11 the Spirit of Christ is said
to have been active in the prophets of the Old Testament
era (cf. 1 Cor. 10:4 ).
Although Peter does not specifically call Noah a prophet in
2 Peter 2:5 , he terms him a 'herald of righteousness', and
uses the noun (keryx) which is related to the verb
'preached' (kerysso) in 1 Pet. 3:20 .
By saying that Christ went and preached rather than just
saying that he 'preached', Peter suggests that Christ did
not stay in heaven but 'went' to where people were
disobeying, and there preached to them through the lips
of Noah. The content of this preaching was not a
message of final condemnation . . . or the completion of
redemption . . . , but concerned the need to repent and
come to God for salvation. This is what Noah would have
preached to those around him (even without extra-biblical
literature we would draw this conclusion from 2 Pet. 2:4 ).
It is the right message to preach when people are
disobeying 'while God's patience is waiting' (cf. 2 Pet.
3:9 ).
This interpretation is very appropriate to the larger context
of 1 Pet. 3:13-22 . The parallel between the situation of
Noah and the situation of Peters readers is clear at several
points:
(1) Noah and his family were a minority surrounded
by hostile unbelievers; so are Peter's readers (1 Pet.
3:13-14 ; 4:4 , 12-13 ).
(2) Noah was righteous in the midst of a wicked
world. Peter exhorts his readers to be righteous in
the midst of wicked unbelievers (1 Pet. 3:13-14 ,
16-17 ; 4:3-4 ).
(3) Noah witnessed boldly to those around him.
Peter encourages his readers to be good witnesses
to unbelievers around them (1 Pet. 3:14 , 16-17 ),
being willing to suffer, if need be, to bring others to
God (just as Christ was willing to suffer and die
'that he might bring us to God', 1 Pet. 3:18 ).
(4) Noah realized that judgment was soon to come
upon the world. Peter reminds his readers that
God's judgment is certainly coming, perhaps soon
(1 Pet. 4:5 , 7; 2 Pet. 3:10 ).
(5) In the unseen 'spiritual' realm Christ preached
through Noah to unbelievers around him. By saying
this Peter can remind his readers of the reality of
Christ's work in the unseen spiritual realm and the
fact that Christ is also in them, empowering their
witness and making it spiritually effective (cf. 1 Pet.
1:8 , 11, 12 , 25; 2:4 ). Therefore, they should not fear
(1 Pet. 3:14 ) but in their hearts should 'reverence
Christ as Lord' and should 'always be prepared' to
tell of the hope that is in them ( 1 Pet. 3:15 ).
(6) At the time of Noah, God was patiently awaiting
repentance from unbelievers, before he brought
judgment. So it is in the situation of Peter's readers:
God is patiently awaiting repentance from
unbelievers (cf. 2 Pet. 3:9 ) before bringing judgment
on the world (cf. 2 Pet. 3:10 ).
(7) Noah was finally saved, with 'a few' others.
Peter thus encourages his readers that, though
perhaps few, they too will finally be saved, for
Christ has triumphed and has all things subject to
him (1 Pet. 3:22 ; 4:13 , 19; 5:10 ; 2 Pet. 2:9 ).
This passage, once cleared of misunderstanding,
should also function today as an encouragement to
us to be bold in our witness (as Noah was), to be
confident that, though we may be few, God will
certainly save us (as he did Noah), and to remind
us that just as certainly as the flood eventually
came, so final judgment will certainly come to our
world as well, and Christ will ultimately triumph
over all the evil in the universe.
1 Peter 3:21
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also
now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the
flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward
God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
If the basis of one's salvation is Christ ("It saves you by
the resurrection of Jesus Christ", what does Peter mean
by "baptism that now saves you?" Peter clearly says it
saves one "not as a removal of dirt from the body." It is
not the physical act which washes dirt from the body that
saves a person - in other words, nothing man can do
(John 1:13 ; Rom. 9:16 ) - but a "clear conscience toward
God," which is by grace alone (Heb. 9:14 ; cf. Prov. 20:27 )
. Describing the conscience, Thomas Watson in Body of
Practical Divinity states:
A good conscience has God for its object, it
respects his word, will, and worship; and therefore
is called, "conscience towards God" (1 Pet. 2:19 ),
as repentance is repentance towards God, and faith
is faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ; . . .
"conscience of God," which is of God, has God for
its author, being implanted in the mind of man by
him; it is God's vice-regent [an officer appointed as
deputy by and to a sovereign or supreme chief],
which acts for him, and under him, and is
accountable to him.
Peter was consistent with the other apostles (cf. Eph.
2:8-10 ) who taught salvation by faith alone (1 Pet.
1:18-19 ). He was not teaching the (Roman Catholic,
Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, and in some circles
Lutheran, etc.) doctrine of baptismal regeneration (a
baptism which "signifies and actually brings about the
birth of water and the Spirit without which no one 'can
enter the kingdom of God'" - Section 1215 of the CCC).
Baptism is a sign and seal of being in God's covenant (as
circumcision was in the Old Covenant - Gen. 17:7-14 ) in
which there are covenant stipulations (see "Covenants in
General" below) of both blessings for obedience and
cursing for disobedience for both saved and lost. A person
in the Old Covenant could be circumcised (Gen 17:26 ) and
yet lost. See "Was Ishmael Saved?" below. The same goes
for baptism in the New Covenant (Simon in Acts 8:13-24 ;
Alexander in 2 Tim 4:14 , etc.).
Many commentators see a connection between the Old
Testament rite of circumcision and the New Testament
sacrament of baptism. Peter's wording of "removal of dirt
from the body" probably implies that he was thinking
about the rite of circumcision. Note that "circumcision"
was a command given after Abraham had faith.
Circumcision saved nobody. It was a covenant sign. The
Old Testament saints were saved the same way New
Testament saints are - through the gift of faith alone ( Gal
3:8 ). As Paul says, "If you belong to Christ, then you are
Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise" (Gal
3:29 ). See WCF 27.3; WLC 161, 163, 167; WSC 91; BC 34;
HC 69, 72.
1 Peter 3:22
"God's right hand" is the place in the universe of supreme
privilege and sovereignty (Eph. 1:20-23 ; Heb. 1:3 ). Christ
defeated principalities and powers (Col. 2:15 ), and when
Christ ascended to Heaven, he proclaimed victory over the
spiritual forces that were at enmity with him (Eph. 2:2 ;
6:12 ). In Psalm 110:1 , which Jesus applied to himself
(Matt. 22:41-46 ), we read that upon his enthronement,
Christ triumphs over his enemies. See WLC 54.
So: (1) Baptism does save, not by literally washing one's
sins away, but as Peter says, through "a good conscience,
through the resurrection of Jesus Christ" which is a gift of
God alone ( Heb 9:14 ; Jas 1:17 ; cf. Gen 3:7-8 ; Rom
2:14-15 ; 1 Pet 1:3 ). (2) In addition, Jesus didn't preach
the gospel in Hell, but rather he preached the gospel
through Noah to unbelievers, presently in Hell, while they
were still upon the earth (1 Pet 4:6 ; 2 Pet 2:5 )

jcross19:
1peter 3:18-21 21 New International Version (NIV)
18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. 19 After being made alive,[a] he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God.[b] It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Now who are the guys in the spirit prison.

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6. - THE SPIRITS IN PRISON
“For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the
unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in
the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: by which also he went
and preached unto the spirits in prison; which sometime were
disobedient, when once the long-suffering of God waited in the
day of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that
is, eight souls, were saved by water.” 1 Peter 3:18-20 .
{HHMLD 93.1}
The advocates of natural immortality are not long in finding
their way to this passage. Here, it is claimed, are “spirits”
brought to view, out of the body; for they were the spirits of
the antediluvians: and they were conscious and intelligent; for
they could listen to the preaching of Christ, who, by his
conscious spirit, while his body lay in the grave, went to their
prison and preached to them. {HHMLD 93.2}
Let us see just what conclusions the popular interpretation of
this passage involves, that we may test its claims by the
Scriptures. 1. It is held that these were disembodied spirits,
but they were the spirits of wicked men; for they were
disobedient in the day of Noah, and perished in the flood. 2.
They were consequently in their place of punishment, the
place to which popular theology assigns all such spirits
immediately on their passing from this state of existence, - the
burning, quenchless hell of fire and brimstone. 3. The spirit of
Christ went into this hell to preach to them. These are the
facts that are to be cleared to improbabilities, and harmonized
with the Scriptures, before the passage can be made available
for the popular view. {HHMLD 93.3}
But the bare suggestion of no singular a transaction as
Christ’s going to preach to these spirits, under these
conditions, immediately gives rise to the query, for that
purpose Christ should take pains to go down into hell, to
preach to damned spirits there; and what message he could
possibly bear to them. The day of their probation was past;
they could not be helped by any gospel message: then why
preach to them? Would Christ go to taunt them by describing
before them blessings which they could never receive? or by
raising in their bosoms hopes of a release from damnation,
which he never designed to grant? {HHMLD 93.4}
These considerations fall like a mighty avalanche across they
way of the common interpretation. The thought is felt to be
almost an insuperable objection, and many are the shifts
devised to get around it. One think that the word “preached”
does not necessarily mean to “preach the gospel,”
notwithstanding almost every instance of the use of the word
in the New Testament describes the preaching of the gospel
by Christ or his apostles; but that Christ went there to
announce to the lost that his sufferings had been
accomplished, and that prophecies concerning him fulfilled.
But what possible object could there be in that? How would
that affect their condition? Was it to add poignancy to their
pain by rendering their misery doubly keen? And were there
not devils enough in hell to perform that work, without making
it necessary that Christ should perform such a ghostly task,
and that, too, right between those points of time when he laid
down his life for our sins, and was raised again for our
justification? {HHMLD 94.1}
Another thinks these were the spirits of such as repented
during the forty days’ rain of the flood; that they were with the
saved in paradise, a department of the under world where the
spirits of the good are kept (the Elysium, in fact, of ancient
heathen mythology), but that they “still felt uneasy on account
of having perished [that is, lost their bodies] under a divine
judgment,” and “were now assured by Jesus that their
repentance had been accepted.” {HHMLD 94.2}
Such resorts show the desperate extremities to which the
popular exposition of this passage is driven, and afford aid
and comfort to the Romish purgatory. {HHMLD 95.1}
Others frankly acknowledge that they cannot tell what, nor for
what purpose, Christ preached to the lost in hell. So does
Landis (p. 236). But he says it makes no difference if we
cannot tell what he preached nor why he preached, since we
have the assurance that he did go there and preach. Profound
conclusion! Would it not be better, since we have the
assurance that he preached, to conclude that he preached at a
time when preaching could benefit them, rather than at a time
when we know that it could not profit them, and there could
be no occasion for it whatever? {HHMLD 95.2}
The whole issue thus turns on the question, When was this
work of preaching performed? Some will say. “While they were
in prison, and that means the state of death, and shows that
the dead are conscious, and can be preached to.” Then, we
reply, the dead can also be benefited by preaching, and led to
repentance; and then the Romish doctrine of purgatory springs
at once fullfledged into our creed; and not only that, but that
worse than the Romish purgatory, the modern doctrine of
probation after death, is sustained. {HHMLD 95.3}
But does the text affirm that the preaching was done to these
spirits while they were in prison? May it not be that the
preaching was done at some previous time to persons who
were, when Peter wrote, in prison, or, if you please, in a state
of death? So it would be true that the spirits were in prison
when Peter makes mention of them, and yet the preaching
might have been done to them at a former period, while they
were still in the flesh and could be benefited by it. This is the
view taken of the passage by Dr. Clarke. He says:- {HHMLD
95.4}
“[ He went and preached ] By the ministry of Noah one hundred
and twenty years.” {HHMLD 96.1}
Thus he places Christ’s going and preaching by his spirit in
the days of Noah, and not during the time his body lay in the
grave. {HHMLD 96.2}
Again, he says:- {HHMLD 96.3}
“The word, ‘spirits,’ is supposed to render this view of the
subject improbable, because this must mean disembodied
spirits; but this certainly does not follow; for the spirits of just
men made perfect (Hebrews 12:23 ) certainly means righteous
men, and men still in the church militant; and the Father of
spirits (Hebrews 12:9 ) means men still in the body ; and the
God of the spirits of all flesh (Numbers 16:22 and 27:16 )
means men not in a disembodied state.” 1 {HHMLD 96.4}
The preaching was certainly to the antediluvians. But why,
according to the popular notion, should Christ single out that
class to preach to, about twenty-four hundred years afterward,
in hell? The whole idea is forced, unnatural, and absurd. The
preaching that was given to them was through Noah, who, by
the power of the Holy Ghost (1 Peter 1:12 ), delivered to them
the message of warning. Let this be the preaching referred to,
and all is harmonious and clear; and this interpretation the
construction of the original demands; for the word rendered in
our version. “Were disobedient,” is simply the aorist participle;
and the dependent sentence, “when once the long-suffering of
God waited in the days of Noah,” limits the verb “preached”
rather than the participle. The whole passage might be
translated thus: “In which also, having gone to the spirits in
prison, he preached to the then disobedient ones, when once
[or at the time when] the long-suffering of God waited in the
days of Noah.” Christ is said to have preached because it was
Christ’s Spirit in Noah. Noah was his representative; and
according to the Latin maxim, “ Qui facit per alium, facit per
se ,” “What one does through another, he does himself,” the
preaching of Noah by this means, was the preaching of Christ.
{HHMLD 96.5}
But in what sense were they in prison? - In the same sense in
which persons in error and darkness are said to be in prison.
Isaiah 42:7 : “To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners
from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the
prison-house.” Also Isaiah 61:1 : “The Spirit of the Lord God is
upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good
tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the broken-
hearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of
the prison to them that are bound.” Christ himself declared
(Luke 4:18-21 ) that this scripture was fulfilled in his mission
to those here on earth who sat in darkness and error, and
under the dominion of sin. So the antediluvians were shut up
under the sentence of condemnation. Their days were limited
to a hundred and twenty years; and their only way of escape
from impending destruction was through the preaching of
Noah. Genesis 6:3 . {HHMLD 97.1}
So much with reference to the spirits to whom the preaching
was given. Now we affirm further that Christ’s Spirit did not
go anywhere to preach to anybody while he lay in the grave. If
Christ’s Spirit, the real being, the divine part, did survive the
death of the cross, then - {HHMLD 97.2}
1. We have only a human offering as a sacrifice for our sins;
and the claim of Spiritualists, which no Christian can hear
without a shudder, is true, that the blood of Christ is no more
than that of any man. {HHMLD 97.3}
2. Then Christ did not pour out his soul unto death, and make
it an offering for sin , as the prophet declared that he would do
(Isaiah 58:10, 12); and his soul was not sorrowful even unto
death, as he himself affirmed that it was. Matthew 26:38 .
{HHMLD 98.1}
3. The text says Christ was “quickened by the Spirit;” and
between his death and quickening no action is affirmed of
him; and hence for any one to affirm that he was alive and
active during this time, is only assumption. There can be no
doubt but the “quickening” here brought to view was his
resurrection. The Greek word is a very strong one,, “to impart
life, to make alive.” He was put to death in the flesh, but
made alive by the Spirit. Mr. Landis (p. 232) labors hard to
turn this word from its natural meaning, and make it signify,
not giving life, but continuing alive. It is impossible to regard
this as anything better than unmitigated sophistry. The verb is
a regular, active verb. In the passive voice it expresses an
action received. Christ did not continue alive, but was made
alive by the Spirit. Then he was for a time dead. How long? -
From the cross to the resurrection. Romans 1:4 . So he says
himself in Revelation 1:18 , “I am he that liveth, and was
dead.” Yet men will stand up, and for the purpose of
sustaining a pet theory, rob the world’s Offering of all its
virtue, and nullify the whole plan of salvation, by declaring
that Christ never was dead! {HHMLD 98.2}
The word “quicken” is the same that is used in Romans 8:11 :
“But if the Spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from the dead,
dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also
quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.”
God brought again our Lord from the dead by the Holy Spirit;
and by the same Spirit are his followers to be raised up at the
last day. {HHMLD 98.3}
But that Christ went anywhere in Spirit, or did any action
between his death and quickening, is what the Scriptures
nowhere affirm, and what no man has a right to claim.
{HHMLD 99.1}
Mr. Landis (p. 235) argues that this preaching could not have
been in the days of Noah, because the events narrated took
place this side the death of Christ. Why did he not say this
side the resurrection of Christ? - Oh! that would spoil it all.
But the record shows upon its very face that if it refers to a
time subsequent to Christ’s death, it was also subsequent to
his resurrection; for if events are here stated in chronological
order, the resurrection of Christ, as well as his death, comes
before his preaching. Thus, (1) he was “put to death in the
flesh;” (2) “was quickened by the Spirit,” which was his
resurrection, as no man with any show of reason can dispute;
and (3) “went and preached to the spirits in prison.” So the
preaching does not come in, on this ground, till after Christ
was made alive from the dead. {HHMLD 99.2}
Some people seem to treat the Scriptures as if they were
given to man that he might exercise his inventive powers in
trying to misunderstand or pervert them to avoid the doctrines
they teach. But no inventive power that the human mind has
yet developed will enable a man, let him plan, contrive, devise,
and arrange as he may, to fix this preaching of Christ between
his death and resurrection. If he could fix it there, what would
it prove? The man of sin would rise up and bless him from
his papal throne, for proving his darling purgatory. Such a
position may do for Mormons, Mohammedans, pagans, and
papists; but let no Protestant try to defend it, and not hang his
head for shame. Mr. Landis says that “Mr. Dobney and the
rest of the fraternity conveniently forget that there is any such
passage [as 1 Peter 3:19 ] in the word of God.” But we cannot
help thinking that it would have been well for him, and saved
a pitiful displays of distorted, not to say dishonest, logic, if he
had been prudent enough to forget it too. {HHMLD 99.3}
Another testimony in favor of the correct view, which is entitled
to respectful consideration, may here be introduced. It is from
Alvah Hovey, D. D., of Newton Theological Seminary, and is
issued in a pamphlet entitled, “State of Men after Death,”
published by the American Baptist Publication Society,
Philadelphia. He contends that those to whom Christ went and
preached, were those who were disobedient in the days of
Noah, and that he preached during the time when Noah was
preparing the ark; and he declares that “neither human reason,
nor the word of God give a shadow of support” to the
assumption that any who have not repented of sin in the
present life, will be likely to do so in the intermediate state.
From his argument we quote the following passages (pp.
82-86):- {HHMLD 100.1}
“It seems to me that the apostle intended to represent the
going and preaching as belonging to the same period of time
with the disobedience and long-suffering.... The participle may
be rendered ‘when they were disobedient’ just as a similar
participle is translated by Hackett, Conant, Noyes, and Alford
(Acts 19:2 ). ‘Did ye receive the Holy Spirit ye believed?’ ...
Nay, it is possible that the phrase ‘spirits in prison,’ was
Peter’s customary designation for the ungodly of former times,
even when he was referring to their earthly career.... If the
Spirit, then, was Christ’s Spirit, the preaching of the
illuminated prophet was Christ’s preaching, and any contempt
or disobedience to that preaching, was contempt or
disobedience to him .... But if the preaching referred to by
Peter was accomplished in hades, it is not so easy to
understand why the contemporaries of Noah are singled out
as the particular spirits addressed. [If this view be taken of it,
he says,] we have no knowledge whatever of the message
delivered by Christ in spirit; if he went and preached to the
dead in hades, we are profoundly ignorant of what he
announced; and it is not surprising that those who adopt this
theory, differ greatly as to the nature of his supposed
message.”

Finnese001:
The blame should not be upon the boy alone, she should be blamed too

blamed for been a prostitute?

jcross19:
I did not form the verse it's directly from bible. I quoted it from bible!.

You quoted it wrongly.

Alexandro15:
I have answered your question. Open the link I sent you.
Why are you afraid of doing that? Are you scared you will be wrong?

Afraid of what? do you know the number of articles and sites I consulted why writing this article and many more on my blog?


The site did nothing, to refute my argument other then the usual we don't worship her we only venerate her.

but the question is how do you say you only venerate her when you demonstrate or give to her all the honour that should be reserved for God?

DownChelsea:
think!

There is nothing to think about. it's obvious Catholics worship Mary.

DownChelsea:
your imaginations make you myopic. That’s why you THINK they see her as equal to God.

Is not what I think but what I see.

First we are warned not to bow to any image weather in Heaven or Earth, We are told to pray only through one medium and that is Jesus, the Bible also instructs us to love God only with all our hearts and many more examples but no where are we instructed to do the same to Mary.

Finnese001:
What caused the fight? Hoeing around

That is not a justification for him to take her life.

DownChelsea:
if you’re daft to know, then I will tell you, the answer is yes. They give their ultimate worship to God. Which explains why all their prayers (even the intercessory prayers of angels and saints,AND even this Mary that you are obsessed with) all end with “through Christ Our Lord, Amen.

Honor isn’t outright worship. If this is still too heavy for you to understand at this point, then I guessed right about you all along.

And for your prejudice, it doesn’t fit. Just do you and let others do theirs.

OK Ma, but how is bowing, praying, praising Mary different from worshipping her?

DownChelsea:
to an invalid question?

How is the question valid.

The president and vice president do not have the same powers or have the same level of Authority.

If Catholics do not see Mary as equal with God, then how do they demonstrate it? that's all I asked you.

sonmvayina:
Because jesus never really existed.. God is consciousness personified, not a man or human being... And there is no where it says God will send his son to come and die for sins.. No where..

Where did you learn or read this from, how do we trust your source?

jcross19:
1peter 3:18-21 21 New International Version (NIV)
18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. 19 After being made alive,[a] he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God.[b] It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Now who are the guys in the spirit prison.

Do you have to twist and turn a Bible verse to suit your preconcieved beliefs?

If that was true then the Bible is wrong in saying that after death is judgement, since the spirits of the dead were preached to.

I will explain that Bible verse clearly to you when am less busy.

Alexandro15:
Yes, I refuted nothing because you are supposed to be the one refuting.

You Protestants will just type a simple question, usually a sentence. In answering the questions, Catholics will write Epistles for you, only for you to simply say, " it is wrong". And expect another epistle.

I have simply turned the table around. Read the links and refute the answers that Catholics have given. It is that simple.

You still did not answer my question, a yes or No answer is all I wanted from you.

DownChelsea:
start by making an argument

I have already done that, my argument is, is there anything that Christains do inorder to honour God, that Catholics do not do to honour Mary?

sonmvayina:
What does that say generally about Christianity?..

Something keep telling me it was that cult that metamorphosed to Christianity.. Christianity has always been about Mary.. I sincerely don't see the benefit of Jesus to Man or to God..

Christaintity has never been about Mary, it was Catholics that brought Mary and other false pagan teachings and doctrine into Christaintity.

DownChelsea:
you don’t know what is obvious. I will tell you.
1. It’s obvious you don’t know me, my religion, my knowledge of religions, my church (is if I do attend any)

2. It’s obvious you lack understanding and are very prejudicial

...



Clown must you show your naivety?

If you cannot refute my arguments than you back off.

jcross19:
there is a gap between spirit world and canal world! it won't make sense to you if you don't believe in spirit world.

All the things you are saying are pagan beliefs not Bible.
If there is any proof in the Bible you could have posted it.

Alexandro15:
Are you Protestants that dimwitted?
Is that link not fact enough?
I simply used your own technique on you and you are already tired.

Refute any fact there, I say

You refuted nothing.

I expect you to show me why praying,singing praises,bowing, calling Mary all sort of names and titles is different from worship given to God.

Adakintroy2:
Stop being a fool you hear. We are not comparing wrongs to see which is wronger. Both are hideous that's why we condemn politicians. But we're politicians are better than yahoo's is that they don't brag that they steal state funds. They code it. Yahoo and runs girls go about flaunting and glorifying it thereby inductrination young innocent souls who see it as acceptable behaviors.

This is why I pray that God punish them. They are winshes.. They torment marriages and people's finance. They are winshes again here it. They are possese. If he repent then we can talk forgiveness from God but not before. After.

It's obvious you are fustrated do the needful.

Doktajay5:
So ur own poverty is so chromosomal that ur best is to justify prostitution cos she lacks money...

U lack wisdom... So all the young girls doing menial jobs here and there @ least to feed, or serving in one capacity or the other somewhere, in other to pay bills, should have all turned to prostitute cos of lack of money.... Inweghi uche

Ur idea here depicts how lazy u r.

OK when the yahoo boy took her in, sheltered her, fed her and I believe was giving her stipends. Just on one condition, to stop prostitution, Why didn't she stop? And at least look around for menial job or a skill to learn.

U r here making a case for her as to why we should clap for her for being into and maintaining prostitution..

U r either a prostitute or a thief or both.
u don't have sense.. Bleep off.

RIP to her. Is really unfortunate... The boy just landed himself into big and life changing problem.

There are people u shouldn't talk to in this life as a young man finding ur feet... U see these small girls hovering lagos as runs girls.
If u r irresponsible enough to patronise them, then Ur calamity is on the road... Just wait for it.

Clown are you justifying her death?
You sound like someone who's heart was broken by a prostitute.

DarkJeddi:
How exactly do you equate living with a live in lover to Kidnapping,Armed Robbery and Ritual Killings?

Since when has it become a crime to have a boyfriend?

Guy dey reason well abeg..

You dey mind the Clown.

Finnese001:
I have said it before, OLOSHO NO BE WORK

This has nothing to do with Olosho.

There are ladies who were killed by their legal husband's

The issue is domestic violence not occupation.

Adakintroy2:
That my friend is how God punish the wicked. No pity at all..people prayer Don hold am.

Both the ashawo weah DE Bleep people men, and the yahoo boy weah DE steal people money God hold them. Both Don shoot themselvesa die. No pity no tears..painfully death yes. That's God for you.

Ask him to explain him selves he will say devil..no its God. Its really God he works in miateriouse ways.

Quite ashawo or yahoo or your faith will be worst than them.

Clown stop spotting trash you know nothing about God.

Are there sins worst than those of politicians and even you?

sonmvayina:
There was already a queen of heaven mentioned in the book of Samuel.. But now Catholic are saying Mary is the Queen of heaven... Is Mary an arctype of that deity?..

The Queen of heaven mentioned in the book of Samuel was inanna or Ishtar..

True.

Most Catholics are so naive that they don't know what is the meaning or foundation of their Church doctrines.

https://www.nairaland.com/4796914/true-identity-catholic-mary

Glorymax:
Who told you that she is being worshipped? Please concern yourself with what profits you and your neighbours to the glory of God. Thanks

The question is, is there anything Christains do to honour God
that Catholics do not do to Mary?

Alexandro15:
https://www.dummies.com/religion/christianity/catholicism/no-catholics-dont-worship-mary/

Can you read that and disprove anything there?

It's really interesting playing the offensive

Are you Catholics that naive? non of you can come out to challenge my post with facts.

The question is, is there anything Christains do to honour God that Catholics do not do to Mary?

DownChelsea:
you had to be told what you had to be told

It's obvious you don't know what your Church doctrines.

DownChelsea:
there is nothing to disprove. You made zero point.

If your conscience agreed with what you just wrote you would not have commented on the article in the first place.

NollyHB:
Don't argue blindly ...
Ask your self ..this Questions.. 1. Which Church compiled the holy bible. 2.when was it compiled. .

The church you attend where and when did it start.. Please make your research. ... Don't start a fight you can't finish

That's a very big lie, the Catholic Church never gave the World the Bible. www.bible.ca/cath-bible-origin.htm

NollyHB:
Wow that's nice..
But I would prefer you spend more of your precious time on things that can add value to your life.
.
Point of correction...

Catholics don't worship blessed Virgin Mary...
We honor her as Our mother and mother of all
Luke 1:28: the Angel went to her and said blessed are you. You are highly favored and thy lord is with you.
Luke 1:47-48
Luke 11:27
Luke 1:42
Luke 1:26-30
Now in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent by God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David. The virgin's name was Mary. And having come in, the angel said to her, "Rejoice, highly favored one, the Lord is with you; blessed are you among women!" But when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and considered what manner of greeting this was. Then the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God.

Isaiah 61:10 ESV
I will greatly rejoice in the Lord; my soul shall exult in my God, for he has clothed me with the garments of salvation; he has covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decks himself like a priest with a beautiful headdress, and as a bride adorns herself with her jewels.

Luke 11:27 ESV
As he said these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to him, “Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts at which you nursed!”

John 2:3-5 ESV
When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus said to him, “They have no wine.” And Jesus said to her, “Woman, what does this have to do with me? My hour has not yet come.” His mother said to the servants, “Do whatever he tells you.”
Please go read your Bible well. Personal interpretation of the Bible is ill.
Don't confuse others..
If you are not clear about the doctrines of the catholic church please ask questions
Better still call me to lecture you on that.
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You are only repeating yourself.

Can you show us evidence that you Catholics don't worship Mary? I took time to show evidence of your worship of Mary.