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Yale9:
blame yourself.. for u're sooo gone! Eww!

I happy that i could see beyond your Church lies if that means beem so far gone than am proud of that #Stop been a Sheepie#

[quote author=budaatum post=72828029]I don't have a church dude.[/quot

Are you in denial of your church the Catholic church?

hermesprogidy:
Popularity vote is the true reflection of democracy. American democracy is fundamentally flawed.

Now you are talking American election is decided by the Elites the Americans are made to believe that their votes count both Democrats and Republicans are same people with different label .

MuttleyLaff:
You are doing a strawman

Then disprove me if you can.

Mklanceee:
I don't know how a Nigerian could open his mouth and begin to advise Trump and Americans. I don't know how long it will take us to get to the level

I wonder 3rd World country that cannot even give their citizens light.

hermesprogidy:
Why did Democrats win the popularity vote?

Who gives a Bleep about popularity vote?

UbiPetrus:
Your idea of objectivity has always been anti Catholic.
How about you study again (assuming you have studied before) with an (indeed) unbiased mind?

You can go through my profile and articles i write on anything that is contrary to God's word not just on Catholics alone.

budaatum:
Not, "started by them", more like, 'standing on the shoulders of predecessors'. Jesus Christ, after all, could be said to have "hijack[ed] what was already existing", taking extra care not to abolish, but to fulfil what already existed.

I wonder how much of this Jesus Christ you've actually read about, for you sound more like one of those who dips into the Jesus book randomly seeking "knowledge", and not like one who has started at the beginning and worked through to the end in order to gain 'understanding'. If you had read from the beginning, you'd of more likely have said the foundation was laid way back in the Garden of Eden or at least by Moses!

Aleast it was never your Church that insistuted the first Church or Christainity.

Yale9:
if you're ignorant of what the worship of an entity (as a god)entails, how is it my problem? I owe you no turorial

Coward you don't even know the definition of Worship.

Ubenedictus:
sorry dear you don't even know the meaning of fallacy, if you did you'll know that what I wrote above is on point. she is the new Eve. if you were interested in using your brains instead of your bias you would have learnt something.

I laugh at you.

No where its is written tha Mary is the new Eve or that she played a role in the salvation of humanity.

Ubenedictus:
you just seem blind, so you didn't see the Bible approving the veneration of Mary abi.

the woman God himself honored abi?
what is this?
Luke 1:48
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
“For he has regarded the lowliness of his
Maidservant, for behold, from this hour all
generations will ascribe blessedness to me.”

How does this bible verse imply that we should pray,venerate,worship or exalt Mary?

many great personalities in the Bible were blessed and honoured by God yet we don't pray or venerate them

Ubenedictus:
the same church laid in Jerusalem, soon moved it prime center to Antioch and later to Rome.


nobody hijacked it, the church is the bride of Christ and Jesus promised to be with her to the end of the ages, it can't be hijacked.

The Church never moved its headquarters your Church highjacked the early church.

Ubenedictus:
it is you who skipped the part where God tells us to honor Mary, Jesus honored her, are we not to imitate him.

heck the Bible tells us to do so in black and white.



Aramaic Bible in Plain English
“For he has regarded the lowliness of his
Maidservant, for behold, from this hour all
generations will ascribe blessedness to me.”

Which bible verse did God tell us?

DREAMZZZ:
Useless yoruba moslems they hate trump but they want to carry their ewedu infested mouth to the US instead of Iraq ....

Lol....hungry people

hermesprogidy:
They are running from terrorism and persecution. Go read up on the matter and shun all these conspiracy theories. There is nothing wrong with being kind. Mind you, Mexico offered asylum, and some took it. But, if you were in their shoes, would you trek thousands of miles just to settle in Mexico, when you have the option for settling in US where you have better opportunities for survival? It's like telling someone to settle in Ogun State, when you have a chance to settle in Lagos. Can't blame them

Clown when will you open Nigeria border and your house door to all the refugees in Africa?

expert234:
Why should refusing to open my border to foreigners become a problem? Isn't it my responsibility as a President to control my borders and keep out people, especially if I can't spare part of the economy to provide for them? Am I the one that said their own governments shouldn't provide for them? Why should they take out their government's irresponsibility on me?

I wonder Africans and their logic.
The same Nigerians closed their border to Ghanaians but the reverse the will call you all kind of name pure hypocrites.

hermesprogidy:
Another hogwash from Trump and FoxNews. The claims to the economy by Republicans is like reaping where you did not sow. Economic recovery started 94 months ago under the Obama administration. Kudos to the Republicans, they maintained it. But it's all a bubble because tax cuts to corporations is driving up budget deficits. The whole thing may soon collapse like a pack of cards and usher in a recession.
Lastly, if you believe for one second that poor, impoverished immigrants making their way from Latin America to the US are a threat, then you need to read less tweets from Trump and read the real news.

Crap if Obama did well, Demorats would not have lost the election.

Temple1288:
Inherited a good economy when Obama said it's gonna take MAGIC to bring back jobs. You're just ignorant.

What do you expect from a typical Liberal/democrat they are deprived of sense and logic

Mklanceee:
hypocrite first remove the rafter in your own eyes.
but you like buhari for calling some region 5%.
you like it when buhari keep all his appointment to one particular tribe?
the level America is now is what Nigeria will never get to.
Trump is just telling you the truth that democrat wish they can tell but won't do it because of political gain

I concur 100%
Tell this clowns that their groaning does not make a 2cent difference in Trump's election.

chuckjonesbaba:
The unemployment rate that you are talking about and the strong economy is as a result of Obama's economic reforms. This man inherited a good economy. Please dont say what you dont know. You won't understand until you are here in the United states.

Dumb post

dancewith:
Clearly most do not understand what the US mid term elections mean when they claim the republicans had won the Senate. Yes they did but consider these factors

Only 33 seats of the Senate's 100 seats are up for the mid term elections . Meaning the republicans won 18 of those and the democrats 15. Also note that most of the 33 seats are in the republicans major strong holds

The entire 435 seats of The house are up for elections meaning the entire country voted for this and the democrats won convincingly by a majority of 24 seats.

This shows that if the entire Senate seats were up for elections there would be a strong likelihood that the democrats would have won that too

As for those saying trump is a good strategist or the best leader American ever had, it is well documented that this man is a demagogue, divisive and racist and everything real American abhors

Dumbest post ever.

helinues:
Its expected

Republican still have majority at the senate.

This election shows half of Americans are behind Trump.

Florida and Georgia are the deciding factors of who control Usa. With th latest result, Republicans are leading in both states.

Trump may be lousy or probably talk( tweet to much) but he has a good policy. Forget about all the negative news from CNN and co.

A leader with a vision must definitely step on some greedy peoples toe. Buhari is facing same problem down in Nigeria. He may be clueless in some aspect but in overall, he has strengthen our institution and also laid a good policy.

You just spoiled this post with your comment on that Zombie called Buhari

Yale9:
surely a question u could never ever answer. Judge yourself and then.. CRY! You really should

Over 5days now and you still cannot tell me what Worship means.

Yale9:
now rate yourself... and then CRY.. Cos u really should

Trying so hard to boost your ego.

budaatum:
You're the one who said you don't read! Were you lying?

Do know that the issue here is not about knowledge, but about understanding, which you have not really shown that you have!

Why are you trying to change the goal post?

MuttleyLaff:
"Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men,
as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit"
- Ephesians 3:5

"Therefore, holy brothers and sisters, who share in the heavenly calling,
fix your thoughts on Jesus, whom we acknowledge as our apostle and high priest."
- Hebrews 3:1

"For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy:
and if the root be holy, so are the branches."
- Romans 11:16

No.1 Mary had Sin and was never sinless

2. what ever righteousnesses or Holiness a man has is like a rag before God's Holiness not excluding Mary's on Holiness.
No matter how many bible verses you bring know that Mary had Sin.

Isaiah 6, 7. -- "All our righteousnesses are
as filthy rags, and we all do fade as a leaf, and
our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us
away."

In Luke 1:46-47, Mary said: “My soul doth
magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced
in God my Saviour." Mary knew that she
needed a savior.


Romans 3:23 says “For all have sinned, and
come short of the glory of God." Revelation
15:4 says, “Who shall not fear thee, O Lord,
and glorify thy name? For thou only art
holy." Romans 3:10 says, “There is none
righteous, no, not one."

Ubenedictus:
did you learn this word newly?

Oya what type of fallacy did I commit?

Have you done your research or are you still speaking from ignorance.

Is the mother of the davidic king not the Queen mother?

Is Jesus not a King in that line?

You don't know anything more than God.

It was God that instructed the angels and man to venerate,adore,reverance,praise his Son Jesus and i wonder why he did not remember
to add Mary

Pls if you know the reason you can tell me.

The same God who knows the end of a thing from the begining cannot just forget to tell us the importances to venerate Mary
After all he insistuted many Christain doctrines like baptism,Holy communion,
fasting,praying but while he left out Mary still disturbes me.

Hebrews 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

Ubenedictus:
oh sorry, you want to be spoon fed, the Bible already told you add one to one but you are still waiting for it to tell you two.

Sorry, the reversal of the old Adam and the old Eve sin is a mother and child, the child is Jesus, his mother is Mary, Jesus is the new Adam, the antitype of the old Adam, that makes Mary the antitype of the old Eve, the new Eve.


If you still can't make the addition then am not to blame, look within for whom to blame, at least the early Christians I quoted tried to explain it for you.

Sorry if you still can't get it.

Lastly I always accept scripture, as a Catholic I have no option, the Bible is God's word and that is dogma, which means I can never shake it. What I don't accept is your erroneous, fallible interpretation of the Bible.

Pure fallacy.

Ubenedictus:
it is you who seem ignorant of history! Pagans claim Jesus is a pagan god that the church stole from them, then you go and find a quote that says Mary is a god stolen from pagans.

Is it not double standard that you are quick to agree with pagans that Mary was stolen but you will be the first to reject their claim that Jesus too was stolen? You appeal to pagans when it suits you and run away with your tail between your legs when it doesn't.

Good you exposed yourself. The pagans claim against Jesus is false becos We have God's word as a prove but there is no record of the early church venerating or worshipping Mary neither is their any evidence in the Bible that God approves it.

Ubenedictus:
F so worship is the honor you give to someone you consider to be a deity and the accompanying religious ceremony, in the archaic sense it can mean a title or honor given to someone as a recognition of merit, that is what the above say abi?

Then it is clear that if you are speaking in the first sense then Catholics CAN'T BE WORSHIPING Mary because they don't consider her to be deity and worship is what one offers to deity.

Veneration on the other hand

Definition of venerate
: to regard with reverential respect or with
admiring deference
1
: to honor (an icon, a relic, etc.) with a ritual
act of devotion



Choose the Right Synonym for venerate
REVERE , REVERENCE , VENERATE, WORSHIP, ADORE
mean to honor and admire profoundly and
respectfully. REVERE stresses deference and
tenderness of feeling. // a professor revered by her
students // REVERENCE presupposes an intrinsic
merit and inviolability in the one honored and a
similar depth of feeling in the one honoring. //
reverenced the academy's code of honor //
VENERATE implies a holding as holy or sacrosanct
because of character, association, or age. // heroes
still venerated // WORSHIP implies homage usually
expressed in words or ceremony. // worships their
memory // ADORE implies love and stresses the
notion of an individual and personal attachment. //
we adored our doctor //
What's the Difference Between venerate ,
revere , and reverence ?
Venerate , revere , reverence , worship, and adore all
mean to honor and admire profoundly and
respectfully. Venerate implies a holding as holy or
sacrosanct because of character, association, or
age. Revere stresses deference and tenderness of
feeling ("a professor revered by students"wink.
Reverence presupposes an intrinsic merit and
inviolability in the one honored and a similar depth of
feeling in the one honoring ("she reverenced the
academy's code of honor"wink. Worship implies homage
usually expressed in words or ceremony ("he
worships their memory"wink. Adore implies love and
stresses the notion of an individual and personal
attachment ("we adored our doctor"wink. Venerate ,
incidentally, traces back to the Latin verb venerari,
from vener -, meaning "love" or "charm."
Examples of venerate in a Sentence
// a writer venerated by generations of admirers
// She is venerated as a saint.
Recent Examples on the Web
// One of the key thinkers venerated by Putin and his
circle is a hitherto obscure Russian fascist, Ivan
Ilyin, whose views are absurd but terrifying in their
implications.
— Margaret Macmillan, New York Times, "Are We Traveling the
‘Road to Unfreedom’?," 9 May 2018
// Madikizela-Mandela was persecuted by the
apartheid government, and venerated by many South
Africans, because of her activism against white
minority rule.
— Washington Post , "South Africa declares mourning period for
Madikizela-Mandela," 3 Apr. 2018
// Discretion is different now; it is practiced less, it
is venerated less.
— Meagan Fredette, refinery29.com , "Are Justin Bieber &
Ariana Grande Trying To One-Up Each Other On PDA?," 14 July
2018
// Social media's problems stem not just from
internet companies' business strategies but from the
technologies the companies use and venerate.
— Nicholas Carr, chicagotribune.com , "Is Facebook the problem
with Facebook, or is it us?," 10 July 2018
// Every day, the whole world seems to venerate
mothers, but for you, Mother’s Day is the worst.
— Yvonne Abraham, BostonGlobe.com , "For women who have
trouble conceiving, Mother’s Day can be the worst," 12 May
2018
// The comment made Lugo reflect on whose faces
get venerated on vases.
— Cassie Owens, Philly.com , "Throwing down: How this potter
from Kensington found fine art success," 26 June 2018
// Mexico may venerate its teachers, but that seems
not to have translated into learning.
— The Economist , "Mexico’s crucial education reform risks
being unwound," 31 May 2018
// Long- venerated as a trading powerhouse, Goldman
Sachs has struggled to regain its foothold there
since the financial crisis.
— Fortune , "Goldman Sachs Group," 29 Mar. 2018


Merriam-webster dictionary.


That is more like it.

You can fool others not me or God.

The word Worship,Venerate,adore,reverance when used in a religeous context means alligeance or submission to authority.
Veneration of Mary is in a religeous context and is totally different from what you are fabricating Only God should be our subject of worship,veneration,reverance,praise, no one else


every other use of this words should be outside of religeous context.

The question you will ask yourself is did God permit us to venerate Mary or any other person remember this same God hid the body and grave of Moses to avoid the Israelities from turning Moses dead body or grave into a diety just as you and your church has turned Mary into.

Venerate , revere , reverence , worship, and adore all mean to honor and admire profoundly and respectfully. Venerate implies a holding as holy or sacrosanct

Ubenedictus:
I saw the synonyms, thank God a synonym cannot be used to replace the original word in every instance.


Your synonym says that honor is a synonym for worship, praise too is a synonym for worship, esteem, treasure and cherish are also synonym for worship.

If a synonym could always replace the original that would mean;

Every time I honored my parents I was committing idolatry,
Every time my mum praised me she was and idolaters

Every time couples in church promised to cherish one another and I esteemed my wife or a friend that mean I was worshipping abi?

Fa fa fa fowl, doesn't work like that dear, I can cherish and treasure and esteem my wife without worshipping her, praise my parents and not worship them and venerate(honor) without ascribing divinity to her or worshipping her.

Get that?

Keep fooling yourself.

Let me ask you is their anything you Catholic atrribute or give to God that you don't give to Mary? I mean anything.

budaatum:
One would say you should "go and read about your Church history with an unbiased mind". Or do you know that it is his church that is the foundation of your church, and that your church would most likely not exist if his church had not done the foundational work which your church "stole"?

You might want to read up on wiki, and All about. When you done with the above, and learnt from Alice et al, you may then advance to A Source Book for Ancient Church History From the Apostolic Age to the Close of the Conciliar Period by Joseph Cullen Ayer, Jr., Ph.D.

Lie.

The Church foundation was laid in Judea by Jesus and was ushered in on the day of pentecost from there it spread to every part of the World.
What your Church did was to hijack what was already existing using their power from Rome to dictate and claim it was started by them.