Christianity Etc › Re: Can The Devil Die? by blueAgent(op): 6:08pm On Nov 01, 2018 |
theoriginalgood: Assuming you refer to the devil as a “bad” being, of course it can die. The fact is that bad still exists in the world today, therefore you can say the devil is still “alive”. One day when goodness is at maximum potency, it will vanquish bad from existence. Then you can say the devil will be dead. I never said the Devil is already dead, what i wrote is that the Devil is destructible and will be destroyed by God at the end of this World. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Can The Devil Die? by blueAgent(op): 6:06pm On Nov 01, 2018 |
Ubenedictus: abeg help me quote your translation Ezekiel 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. 28:19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more. Is there anything written above that is complex to understand? |
Christianity Etc › Re: The True Identity Of Catholic Mary by blueAgent(op): 6:03pm On Nov 01, 2018 |
Yale9: Do you worship Mary? Or where did you see a church purposefully Built for the WORSHIP of Mary? Ye must be kidding thyself.. I used to be Catholic.. but the worship of mary like you posit is a fallacy, unknown, foreign, and a stupid myopic allegation. Define worship? |
Christianity Etc › Re: The True Identity Of Catholic Mary by blueAgent(op): 6:03pm On Nov 01, 2018 |
budaatum: That's what you all say. It not what i say or what others say but what God and his word(bible says) |
Christianity Etc › Re: The True Identity Of Catholic Mary by blueAgent(op): 6:01pm On Nov 01, 2018 |
Ubenedictus: what concerns Diana and Mary, you seem to be inconsistent as usual.
The Bible tells us about the honor of Mary and her title.
You just seem blind to it or you knowingly try confusing the mother of Jesus with Diana.
I would go even more direct, God himself honored Mary, Jesus honoured her, the the Bible tells me that all generation, all ages will do same.
God honored her Luke 1 God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a town in Galilee, 27 to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of David. The virgin’s name was Mary. 28 The angel went to her and said, “Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.”
Jesus honored her Luke 2:51
Then he went down to Nazareth with them and was obedient to them. But his mother treasured all these things in her heart.
All ages will honor her.
Luke 1:48 hmm
So Jesus honored her, so do I So you don't know that Diana is another name of the pagan goddess which your church rebranded as Mary? |
Christianity Etc › Re: The True Identity Of Catholic Mary by blueAgent(op): 9:21pm On Oct 31, 2018 |
Ubenedictus: The Bible says thou shall not bear false witness dear.
Catholics have been consistent in insisting that Mary is simply human and should not be adored it is a sin called idolatry and any Catholic who holds such opinion is condemned by the church under anathema since that is a serious heresy.
in ancient religion there are also gods called king of kings, Lord of lords, divine, savior, first and last, and several thousand names, that didn't stop Christians from using all those titles for Jesus, even many titles Yorubas use for Jesus comes from their local deities.
This appropriation is not new nor sinful, if false gods use a title the belongs to God we remove those titles from them, if false heroes take titles that grace have given to others, we removed the false heroes and give the titles to those who have been given the grace. It doesn't mean we worship false gods, instead we removed titles from false illusions and give it to those who deserve such either by nature or by grace.
This is an unfortunate lie,
The honor of Mary, the apostles and martyrs in the Christian churches was already a solid and clear practice even before the birth of Constantine or even his parents, so too the asking of their intercession.
The false story that it began during Constantine to merge other religions is a lie peddled by either those ignorant of the early church or out to deceive others. In the early church even before Constantine Mary is referred to as the new Eve who rolls back the disobedience of the old Eve
"As Eve was seduced by the speech of an angel, so as to flee God in transgressing his word, so also Mary received the good tidings by means of the angel's speech, so as to be God within her, being obedient to this word. And though the one had disobeyed God, yet the other was drawn to obey him; that of the virgin Eve, the virgin Mary might become the advocate and as by a virgin the human race had been bound to death, by a virgin it is saved, the balance being preserved- a virgin's disobedience by a virgin' obedience." (Against Heresies, 3, 19 130 A.D
For whereas Eve, yet a virgin and undefiled, through conceiving the word that came from the serpent, brought forth disobedience and death; the Virgin Mary, taking faith and joy, when the Angel told her the good tidings that the Spirit of the Lord should come upon her, and the power of the Most High overshadow her, and therefore the Holy One to be born of her should be the Son of God, answered, Be it done to me according to thy word. And so by means of her was he born, concerning whom we have shown so many Scriptures were spoken; through whom God overthrows the serpent, and those angels and men who have become like to it, and on the other hand, works deliverance from death for such as repent of their evil doings and believe in him (Dialogue with Trypho, 100 A.D.)
Along with titles like mother of God, ever virgin, etc. Her intercession is requested even in the early church
We fly to your patronage, O holy Theotokos; despise not our petition in our necessities, but deliver us always from all dangers, O ever-glorious and blessed Virgin." 3rd century
Check all those dates, those are Christian leaders before Constantine. the worship of any deity is still prohibited in the Catholic church as it always was. Stop been ingnorant even a when known occultists acknownledge that Mary in Catholism was there plan and agenda Jones suggests that there is an "Hegelian Dialectic to combine a form of Christianity as thesis, with a pagan spiritualism as antithesis, resulting in a synthesis very akin to the Babylonian Mystery Religions. This appears to be confirmed by Teilhard de Chardin who said: "My approach...would be...to narrow that gap...by bringing out what one might call the Christian soul of pantheism or the pantheist aspect of Christianity." The 'form of Christianity' he mentions is that of the Catholic church and the weakened, diluted, Protestantism that barely resembles that which existed at the time of the Reformation. An important point is made with a quote from Fritz Springmeier's book, `Be Wise As Serpents`. He says, "When you worship the sun, moon, stars, a statue, or even yourself, Lucifer is leading you astray. You are not to worship things that were created; instead you are to worship the creator. To worship anything other than the creator is giving heed to Lucifer". Mary. Of course the worship of Mary, in Roman catholicism, is actually veiled worship of the pagan mother goddess or queen of heaven, Semiramis. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The True Identity Of Catholic Mary by blueAgent(op): 9:18pm On Oct 31, 2018 |
Ubenedictus: The Bible says thou shall not bear false witness dear.
Catholics have been consistent in insisting that Mary is simply human and should not be adored it is a sin called idolatry and any Catholic who holds such opinion is condemned by the church under anathema since that is a serious heresy.
in ancient religion there are also gods called king of kings, Lord of lords, divine, savior, first and last, and several thousand names, that didn't stop Christians from using all those titles for Jesus, even many titles Yorubas use for Jesus comes from their local deities.
This appropriation is not new nor sinful, if false gods use a title the belongs to God we remove those titles from them, if false heroes take titles that grace have given to others, we removed the false heroes and give the titles to those who have been given the grace. It doesn't mean we worship false gods, instead we removed titles from false illusions and give it to those who deserve such either by nature or by grace.
This is an unfortunate lie,
The honor of Mary, the apostles and martyrs in the Christian churches was already a solid and clear practice even before the birth of Constantine or even his parents, so too the asking of their intercession.
The false story that it began during Constantine to merge other religions is a lie peddled by either those ignorant of the early church or out to deceive others. In the early church even before Constantine Mary is referred to as the new Eve who rolls back the disobedience of the old Eve
"As Eve was seduced by the speech of an angel, so as to flee God in transgressing his word, so also Mary received the good tidings by means of the angel's speech, so as to be God within her, being obedient to this word. And though the one had disobeyed God, yet the other was drawn to obey him; that of the virgin Eve, the virgin Mary might become the advocate and as by a virgin the human race had been bound to death, by a virgin it is saved, the balance being preserved- a virgin's disobedience by a virgin' obedience." (Against Heresies, 3, 19 130 A.D
For whereas Eve, yet a virgin and undefiled, through conceiving the word that came from the serpent, brought forth disobedience and death; the Virgin Mary, taking faith and joy, when the Angel told her the good tidings that the Spirit of the Lord should come upon her, and the power of the Most High overshadow her, and therefore the Holy One to be born of her should be the Son of God, answered, Be it done to me according to thy word. And so by means of her was he born, concerning whom we have shown so many Scriptures were spoken; through whom God overthrows the serpent, and those angels and men who have become like to it, and on the other hand, works deliverance from death for such as repent of their evil doings and believe in him (Dialogue with Trypho, 100 A.D.)
Along with titles like mother of God, ever virgin, etc. Her intercession is requested even in the early church
We fly to your patronage, O holy Theotokos; despise not our petition in our necessities, but deliver us always from all dangers, O ever-glorious and blessed Virgin." 3rd century
Check all those dates, those are Christian leaders before Constantine. the worship of any deity is still prohibited in the Catholic church as it always was. You lied the early Church never worshipped or venerated Mary. In Acts 19:24 Paul condemed the Greeks for worshipping the goddess Diana which is another name for Queen of Heaven no where in the bible did Paul or any other the apostles ever give Mary any title lest of all venerate her. it was this same Diana that was rebranded as Mary Acts 19:24 For a certain man named Demetrius, a silversmith, which made silver shrines for Diana, brought no small gain unto the craftsmen; 19:25 Whom he called together with the workmen of like occupation, and said, Sirs, ye know that by this craft we have our wealth. 19:26 Moreover ye see and hear, that not alone at Ephesus, but almost throughout all Asia, this Paul hath persuaded and turned away much people, saying that they be no gods, which are made with hands: 19:27 So that not only this our craft is in danger to be set at nought; but also that the temple of the great goddess Diana should be despised, and her magnificence should be destroyed, whom all Asia and the world worshippeth. 19:28 And when they heard these sayings, they were full of wrath, and cried out, saying, Great is Diana of the Ephesians. 19:29 And the whole city was filled with confusion: and having caught Gaius and Aristarchus, men of Macedonia, Paul's companions in travel, they rushed with one accord into the theatre. 19:30 And when Paul would have entered in unto the people, the disciples suffered him not. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The True Identity Of Catholic Mary by blueAgent(op): 9:09pm On Oct 31, 2018 |
budaatum: Never said it was. Just there's other views, is all. Those other views are wrong. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The True Identity Of Catholic Mary by blueAgent(op): 9:08pm On Oct 31, 2018 |
Yale9: now that we know about the "catholic mary" like you said.. what can you teach us about the non-catholic mary.. Ode! You will find the true Mary in your Bible go and read it stop been a sheepie. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The True Identity Of Catholic Mary by blueAgent(op): 9:04pm On Oct 31, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: "When Jesus' family heard what he was doing, they thought he was crazy and went to get him under control." - Mark 3:21
"For even His own brothers did not believe in Him." - John 7:5
John from knowing the mind of Jesus, is why he was qualified, more than anybody else, family or not, to be trusted with handing Mary over to I Concur 100% |
Christianity Etc › Re: The True Identity Of Catholic Mary by blueAgent(op): 5:40am On Oct 30, 2018 |
Ubenedictus: the op is just ignorant, there are several pagan stories that parallels the story of Jesus, certain pagan gods also have stories of coming to earth through a virgin and dying to save their people, in fact among the earliest people to recognise this was the early Christian Justin, the Christian story is similar to what several pagan gods were acclaimed to have done.
It is called the devils mimicry, nothing new there, does that mean that Jesus is a pagan deity adopted by the Christian churches? Nope. The devil already knew God's plan to redeem humanity, he simply mimicked it in certain aspects.
It is petty ignorance. So how does that justify the worship and veneration of Mary? |
Christianity Etc › Re: The True Identity Of Catholic Mary by blueAgent(op): 5:38am On Oct 30, 2018 |
Aizenosa: I stopped paying attention to all these protestants long ago, but as I keep ignoring them, they keep falling into disillusion, the problem being that they refuse to hear the truth till the extent that all they hear that hits the Catholic Church is sweet to their ears, they forget that, the church, has gone from one suffering period to another yet still stood strong is that not the grace of God.
Another that makes me laugh is that their founding fathers who protested against the Catholic Church held that MARY IS MOTHER OF GOD, how these new off springs came up with their own fallacy remains a mystery.
And for you people I shake my head, stop living in fallacy and come to the light.
The good thing is that all I'm those days were written and stored, who who have ears let them hear, you can spit upon the truth, smear it with dirt, the truth still remains the truth and those who know it hold it irrespective of what people think or say. Keep confusing yourself. how is Mary been Queen of Heaven truth? |
Christianity Etc › Re: The True Identity Of Catholic Mary by blueAgent(op): 5:36am On Oct 30, 2018 |
akeensbussy: All scriptures are given by the inspiration of God... Including the Quran and every other spiritual books claiming to be from God. Lie. only the Bible is God's inspired word. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The True Identity Of Catholic Mary by blueAgent(op): 5:34am On Oct 30, 2018 |
budaatum: Isn't there a thread on here about Jesus being a pagan god? And one about even Yahweh wearing pagan clothes and being syncretised from various different gods? I feel someone would post me a link. Having a thread on your claim does not make it true. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The True Identity Of Catholic Mary by blueAgent(op): 4:59pm On Oct 26, 2018 |
Ubenedictus, solite3, Hundredfold4lif, Gggg102, UbiPetrus, KENFERDYOORI, budaatum, MuttleyLaff, Syncan |
Christianity Etc › Re: Can The Devil Die? by blueAgent(op): 3:40pm On Oct 20, 2018 |
sonmvayina: From the old testament... Tanakh. Which one is Tanakh? all this articles and books you are reading will only confuse you the more which is already obvious. The only sure book which is the word of God is the Bible. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Can The Devil Die? by blueAgent(op): 3:38pm On Oct 20, 2018 |
sonmvayina: Did you read those passages? No prophet ever reported or prophesy that the Messiah was coming to die for sins, there was already a solution to that problem in the old testament.. The Jews knew and wrote about the coming of Jesus who was to die for the sins of the World. Throughout the Hebrew Scriptures, the promise of a Messiah is clearly given. These messianic prophecies were made hundreds, sometimes thousands of years before Jesus Christ was born, and clearly Jesus Christ is the only person who has ever walked this earth to fulfill them. In fact, from Genesis to Malachi, there are over 300 specific prophecies detailing the coming of this Anointed One. In addition to prophecies detailing His virgin birth, His birth in Bethlehem, His birth from the tribe of Judah, His lineage from King David, His sinless life, and His atoning work for the sins of His people,the death and resurrection of the Jewish Messiah was, likewise, well documented in the Hebrew prophetic Scriptures long before the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ occurred in history. Of the best-known prophecies in the Hebrew Scriptures concerning the death of Messiah, Psalm 22 and Isaiah 53 certainly stand out. Psalm 22 is especially amazing since it predicted numerous separate elements about Jesus’ crucifixion a thousand years before Jesus was crucified. Here are some examples. Messiah will have His hands and His feet “pierced” through (Psalm 22:16; John 20:25). The Messiah’s bones will not be broken (a person’s legs were usually broken after being crucified to speed up their death) (Psalm 22:17; John 19:33). Men will cast lots for Messiah’s clothing (Psalm 22:18; Matthew 27:35). Isaiah 53, the classic messianic prophecy known as the “ Suffering Servant” prophecy, also details the death of Messiah for the sins of His people. More than 700 years before Jesus was even born, Isaiah provides details of His life and death. The Messiah will be rejected (Isaiah 53:3; Luke 13:34). The Messiah will be killed as a vicarious sacrifice for the sins of His people (Isaiah 53:5–9; 2 Corinthians 5:21). The Messiah will be silent in front of His accusers (Isaiah 53:7; 1 Peter 2:23). The Messiah will be buried with the rich (Isaiah 53:9; Matthew 27:57–60). The Messiah will be with criminals in His death (Isaiah 53:12; Mark 15:27). In addition to the death of the Jewish Messiah, His resurrection from the dead is also foretold. The clearest and best known of the resurrection prophecies is the one penned by Israel’s King David in Psalm 16:10, also written a millennium before the birth of Jesus: “For You will not abandon my soul to Sheol; Nor will You allow Your Holy One to undergo decay.” On the Jewi |
Christianity Etc › Re: Can The Devil Die? by blueAgent(op): 3:37pm On Oct 20, 2018 |
sonmvayina: Did you read those passages? No prophet ever reported or prophesy that the Messiah was coming to die for sins, there was already a solution to that problem in the old testament.. You lie. I guess this Bible verses are not in your Bible. Isaiah 53:5 ESV / 183 helpful votes But he was wounded for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his stripes we are healed. Isaiah 53:1-12 ESV / 119 helpful votes Who has believed what he has heard from us? And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed? For he grew up before him like a young plant, and like a root out of dry ground; he had no form or majesty that we should look at him, and no beauty that we should desire him. He was despised and rejected by men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief; and as one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his stripes we are healed. ... |
Christianity Etc › Re: The True Identity Of Catholic Mary by blueAgent(op): 6:40pm On Oct 19, 2018 |
Bruno3000: OP God bless you... This knowledge of the truth has set u free. keep it up. Thank you. |
Christianity Etc › The True Identity Of Catholic Mary by blueAgent(op): 7:00am On Oct 19, 2018 |
Billions of Catholics worship, venerate & adore Mary yet many of them do not know the history or the real identity of the personality called Mary.
In Paganism, ancient Egyptain and European religeons the worship of the goddess of fertility, motherhood and magic was highly celeberated she was conferred with several titles and names like ,The divine one,Virgin Mother,Mother of God,The Queen of Heaven,Queen of all Gods,The maker of Sunrise. In Egyptian literature she was called ISIS or Athor, Virgo,Deipara in Tibet and China, as Hestia or Athena in Greece & Juno or Dove in Rome . she was known as the goddess with ten thousand names. During the reign of Constantine when Rome(Seat of Catholic Church) was converting from paganism to Christainity Mary the mother of Jesus Christ was chosen as the Subsitute for the Mother goddess, pagans and Christains continued there prayers and devotion to the The Mother goddess which was rebranded as Mary to appeal to the Christains.this doctrine was enacted by the Catholic Church at the council of Ephesus in 431AD. Among the early Christains and Apostles the worship of any diety or Mother goddess was totally forbidden no where in the Bible are Christains taught to pray worship or venerate any other person than God or Jesus The Queen of Heaven mentioned in the Bible was not Mary but a goddess who was worshipped and venerated by the Israelities. Rather than be a blessing the worship of the Queen of Heaven provoked God to anger. Jeremiah 7:18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger. It was becos of this Sin that God castout all the Children of Judah and destoryed Jerusalem, jeremiah44:1-end especially verse17. If God regarded it as sin then he still regards it as sin today becos he says in Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; God is a jealous God, he cannot share his glory with anyone that includes the Pope,Mary,Saints,or Queen of Heaven Isaiah42:8 “I am the Lord; that is my name; my glory I give to no other…”
The bible is explictly clear on the issue of worship and prayer to God only in the name of Jesus Christ are we expected to pray. Even Angels refused to recieve worship in the bible, it was Satan's desire to share or recieve God's worship that lead to the Beginning of war in Heaven Isaiah14:13 & Ezekiel28:18.
In matthew2:11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped HIM: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.
From the above bible verse we can see that The Wise men from the East worshipped only Jesus and not Mary.
Some false assumptions made by the Catholic Church about Mary.
Immaculate mother:Mary was a descendant of David she was born through the act of sexual intercourse and not by divine immaculate conception as Catholics present her to be therefore she has sin. psalm 143:2 And do not enter into judgment with Your servant, For in Your sight no man living is righteous. Job 25:4 How then can man be justified with God? or how can he be clean that is born of a woman?
Virgn mother: While Mary was a virgin before she was chosen by God as the mother of Jesus Christ she don't remain a virgn forever, after the birth of Jesus Mary had many other children with Joseph of course through sexual intercourse this means Mary did not die a virgin as Catholic protary her to be. Matthew 12:46-47 , "While He was still speaking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers were standing outside, seeking to speak to Him. And someone said to Him, "Behold, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside seeking to speak to You."
Matthew 13:55, "Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not His mother called Mary, and His brothers, James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? " Mark 6:2-3 , "And when the Sabbath had come, He began to teach in the synagogue; and the many listeners were astonished, saying, "Where did this man get these things, and what is this wisdom given to Him, and such miracles as these performed by His hands? "Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, and brother of James, and Joses, and Judas, and Simon?Are not His sisters here with us?"
Holy Mother: Mary is viewed as an intercessor, When Jesus Christ taught his disciples how to pray he told them clearly that prayers where to be made to his Father only through his name "Jesus Christ" and not through Mary or Saints. Jesus alone is our high priest.Heb7:21'John14:13' 1Timothy2:15
In Conclusion While Catholics believe that they are honouring Mary the truth is that they are Worshipping the pagan mother goddess which has be rebranded as Mary and this is pure idolatry.
Thank you for reading this post. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Can The Devil Die? by blueAgent(op): 4:07am On Oct 19, 2018 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: Can The Devil Die? by blueAgent(op): 4:07am On Oct 19, 2018 |
sonmvayina: The jews where waiting for a Messiah that God promised to send them. He was coming from the shoot of jesse(David's father) meaning he will have a human father and a human mother.. He is coming to usher an era of world peace (no more wars and oppression), he will make God the creator known throughout the world, he will build the temple and the jews will resume the daily sacrifice to God, And he is coming just ONCE to accomplish all these, he will do all these in the first attempt as there was no second coming arrangements..
So then, who is jesus? The jews don't have the idea of God mating with human as part of their belief.. That is a roman /Greek belief (I guess you have watched "clash of the titans and percy Jackson and the lightening thief)..
You got it now? Where did you get your information from? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Can The Devil Die? by blueAgent(op): 4:06am On Oct 19, 2018 |
sonmvayina: Check for your self
Isaiah 11
Ezekiel 37:24-25
Ezekiel 34:23-24
Hosea 3:5
Jeremiah 23, 31, 33 Its obvious you are confused. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Can The Devil Die? by blueAgent(op): 9:50pm On Oct 11, 2018 |
sonmvayina: Let me set you on the right path: 1. What is the Jewish idea of a messiah 2. Why did God promise to send a Messiah? 3.what is the messiah coming to achieve? 4.how many times is the messiah coming?
See if Jesus fulfil or fits into the idea of a Jewish messiah..
Just learn Jesus fufills all the bible prophecy of the coming Messiah. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Can The Devil Die? by blueAgent(op): 4:55pm On Oct 11, 2018 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: Can The Devil Die? by blueAgent(op): 4:54pm On Oct 11, 2018 |
sonmvayina: Let me set you on the right path: 1. What is the Jewish idea of a messiah 2. Why did God promise to send a Messiah? 3.what is the messiah coming to achieve? 4.how many times is the messiah coming?
See if Jesus fulfil or fits into the idea of a Jewish messiah..
Just learn Why is my question so had for you to answer? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Can The Devil Die? by blueAgent(op): 4:47pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
KraticKratus: what is the fuel in lake of fire made of? Isaiah 34:8 For it is the day of the LORD's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion. 34:9 And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch. 34:10 It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever: from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever. Isaiah 47:14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor a fire to sit before |
Christianity Etc › Re: Don't Be Afraid Of Any GO Laying Curses by blueAgent(m): 4:39pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
babeosisi: I pray the Lord opens your eyes to the purpose of Jesus'death burial and resurrection. Until you come to the precise knowledge of what Grace means,you will remain sin conscious Bless you What Jesus death do? Did the death of Jesus stop sin from existing? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Can The Devil Die? by blueAgent(op): 5:29pm On Oct 08, 2018 |
solite3: there are two types of death one is the separation of the soul from the body which is the first death second is the separation of the soul from God forever which is the second death. I laugh in Igbo. Where is this written in the Bible? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Don't Be Afraid Of Any GO Laying Curses by blueAgent(m): 5:25pm On Oct 08, 2018 |
babeosisi: I don't argue knowledge because it's hard to figure out if it's a comprehension problem or just stubborness. Let me be very elementary.
If you go to a restaurant to eat and right after eating,a waiter walks up to tell you the gentleman that walked out the door had settled your bill,are you still responsible for the bill? The answer is no It doesn't mean you didn't incur a bill,you did but someone has satisfied the condition of the bill such that it means nothing to you anymore. That's what Jesus did.
If you don't understand this simple analogy and apply it to your salvation as a done deal,you will struggle needlessly and subject yourself to rigorous rules and regulations.the scripture I quoted should be clear
Now do you realize there are over 600 laws,rules and regulations So how on earth do you pick the ones to keep and the ones to discard since the bible says if you are guilty of one you are guilty of all.
If you don't accept the finished work of Christ as a done deal and a gift because Christ has satisfied all the conditions,pastors and prophets will eat you like moi moi.
I repeat the law has been completely replaced by the finished work on the cross. If you still argue with that,you need to be born again Really? But out of all the laws in the Bible the 10commandments are the only laws given directly by God himself and they were written by his finger. Only the ten commandments can define Sin. www.the-ten-commandments.org/ |
Christianity Etc › Re: Don't Be Afraid Of Any GO Laying Curses by blueAgent(m): 5:21pm On Oct 08, 2018 |
babeosisi: For anyone interested in knowledge,Christ totally satisfied and therefore replaced the law First of all gentiles were never subject to the law to begin with so for us non Jews,we had no laws to obey. When Christ by his death and resurrection made us Co heirs with him,we walked into a better covenant if Grace.
Luke 24 v 27 says "And beginning with Moses,he interpreted to them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
The above tells us that the old testament laws and prophets and texts were all pointing to Christ. Christ is the message of scripture In the OT he was concealed and now he is revealed. We look into Jesu's and Jesus alone who is the author and finisher of our faith .
Romans 10 v 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes
The bible says we don't pour new wine in old wine skin and there it was speaking about grace and laws. You don't take a little bit of laws and mix it with Grace or Christ will be of no effect to you. It is either 100% grace or its not grace at all. Salvation and righteousness come purely by grace. No works of man can add to what Christ did James 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. 2:13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Don't Be Afraid Of Any GO Laying Curses by blueAgent(m): 5:19pm On Oct 08, 2018 |
babeosisi: For anyone interested in knowledge,Christ totally satisfied and therefore replaced the law First of all gentiles were never subject to the law to begin with so for us non Jews,we had no laws to obey. When Christ by his death and resurrection made us Co heirs with him,we walked into a better covenant if Grace.
Luke 24 v 27 says "And beginning with Moses,he interpreted to them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
The above tells us that the old testament laws and prophets and texts were all pointing to Christ. Christ is the message of scripture In the OT he was concealed and now he is revealed. We look into Jesu's and Jesus alone who is the author and finisher of our faith .
Romans 10 v 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes
The bible says we don't pour new wine in old wine skin and there it was speaking about grace and laws. You don't take a little bit of laws and mix it with Grace or Christ will be of no effect to you. It is either 100% grace or its not grace at all. Salvation and righteousness come purely by grace. No works of man can add to what Christ did The problem is you don't understand what Grace is |