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babeosisi:
Here for your education

Heb 8 v 13 When God speaks of a “new” covenant, it means he has made the first one obsolete. It is now out of date and will soon disappear.

I laugh but even in the new covenant God's law was still valid.

In the new convenant God said he will put his laws in their hearts.

You just cherry pick verses that suit you fantasy.

Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my (LAW) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

I guess its US law God will put in the new Convenant.

babeosisi:
I don't argue knowledge because it's hard to figure out if it's a comprehension problem or just stubborness.
Let me be very elementary.

If you go to a restaurant to eat and right after eating,a waiter walks up to tell you the gentleman that walked out the door had settled your bill,are you still responsible for the bill?
The answer is no
It doesn't mean you didn't incur a bill,you did but someone has satisfied the condition of the bill such that it means nothing to you anymore.
That's what Jesus did.

If you don't understand this simple analogy and apply it to your salvation as a done deal,you will struggle needlessly and subject yourself to rigorous rules and regulations.the scripture I quoted should be clear

Now do you realize there are over 600 laws,rules and regulations
So how on earth do you pick the ones to keep and the ones to discard since the bible says if you are guilty of one you are guilty of all.

If you don't accept the finished work of Christ as a done deal and a gift because Christ has satisfied all the conditions,pastors and prophets will eat you like moi moi.

I repeat the law has been completely replaced by the finished work on the cross.
If you still argue with that,you need to be born again

In Matthew19:16 Jesus asked a Man to obey the ten commandments inorder to gain eternal life the same law you claim he did away with.


Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 19:20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. 19:22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

babeosisi:
I don't argue knowledge because it's hard to figure out if it's a comprehension problem or just stubborness.
Let me be very elementary.

If you go to a restaurant to eat and right after eating,a waiter walks up to tell you the gentleman that walked out the door had settled your bill,are you still responsible for the bill?
The answer is no
It doesn't mean you didn't incur a bill,you did but someone has satisfied the condition of the bill such that it means nothing to you anymore.
That's what Jesus did.

If you don't understand this simple analogy and apply it to your salvation as a done deal,you will struggle needlessly and subject yourself to rigorous rules and regulations.the scripture I quoted should be clear

Now do you realize there are over 600 laws,rules and regulations
So how on earth do you pick the ones to keep and the ones to discard since the bible says if you are guilty of one you are guilty of all.

If you don't accept the finished work of Christ as a done deal and a gift because Christ has satisfied all the conditions,pastors and prophets will eat you like moi moi.

I repeat the law has been completely replaced by the finished work on the cross.
If you still argue with that,you need to be born again

I laugh at you. you craftly dodged to answer the questions are asked you instead you keep on recycling your same Words.

Like i said before there was a law nullified by the death of Christ and there is also a law which Christ said will never pass away till Heaven and Earth pass away we are also told to uphold the law by Jesus himself.

The question is which law is been reffered to in each case or was Jesus lying ?


Matthew 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these
least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of
heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


Your problem with that of most pastors and clergymen is pride and arrogance they feel they know everything but the truth is they know NOTHING.

The First clue that shows that you don't know what you are saying is your inability to answer my questions as simple as they are.

If i were you i will humble myself and do more research on this topic with an open mind to know the truth.

God hates an arrogant and unteachable person.

sonmvayina:
I can't not stop you from worshipping your man God, it is up to you.. I know how difficult it is to just learn that all you believed in your life is but a fabrication.. It is hard to swallow..

Just take your time.. God is ever patience..
But the bottom line is you MUST learn the truth.. That is what will set you free...

You are confused, you have no prove of what you are saying just pure fantasy.

Like i said before show me where or how you knew that Jesus was a made up story by the Romans is that too diffcult for you to do?

babeosisi:
Dont be too hasty in speech.
The Bible admonishes us to be quick to hear and slow to speech for a reason
Yes the law became obsolete because it was fulfilled in Christ.
Not my words .Read the text I provided in later posts
If you don't grasp this fundamenral truth, I'm sorry you are yet to know the purpose for which Christ came and died

So Jesus was lying when he said he has not come to destory the law but to fulfill?

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

If you have clicked those links i sent you you will not be arguing blindly that means you were the one who was in a haste.


Let me ask you since Jesus made the law Obsolete which law did Paul say we should establish?
Romans3:31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Sin is defined as the transgression of the law.
1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.


Romans 5:13
For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.


Since Jesus made the law obsolete according to you how do we now define Sin, which law are we to use inorder to know or define what sin is?

We all know Sin still exists so how can sin still exists without the law?

I guess we will use Nigeria law.

sonmvayina:
So which power are you assigning to the devil? When it is God that is responsible for both good and evil.. Lamentation 3:38, Amos 2:6

Stop quoting bible verses you can barely comprehend.

sonmvayina:
They are still waiting... He has not come..

Said who and where did you get this information from?

sonmvayina:
How old are you.. You sound very low in intelligence, have you completed secondary school? Just asking in good faith.. No insult intended

I laugh at you its obvious you don't know how funny and unreasonable your comments are.

sonmvayina:
Can God die? The devil is part of God just as we are all part of God.. The devil is not evil or independent of God neither is the devil an equal opposite of God.. That is the height of insult to make the devil a dual opposite of God and assigning to devil powers and kingdoms he does not have or possess.. What insanity..

The devil(Nergal in babylon mythology, Esu in yoruba/Benin mythology and Ekwensu in igbo mythology) is not an equal opposite of God, he does only what God has approved for him..

God cannot decree for the A to happen and the devil will come and change it to B, it is not possible now.. Before the devil does anything he gets the permission or go ahead from his master/God.,which is what is known all round the ancient world and African traditional religion.

It is the Romans that wants to mock God just as the prophet Daniel prophesied in Dan7 :25, that made the devil equal to God to deceive people and put them in darkness.. By creating their own God (jesus) as the saviour of man....

There is JUST nothing that God created that he cant control.. To think other wise is insulting..

People dey find light, without remembering that they can be blinded by the light..

Its obvious you are confused.

OtemAtum:
Have you been into occultism or yahoo plus to know if they had seen a devil before.

You should direct your question to them not me.

www.informationng.com/2018/05/ex-yahoo-boy-reportedly-exposes-ritual-methods-speaks-on-eating-poo-running-mad-using-girls.html

https://www.bbc.com/pidgin/tori-45248779

Ubenedictus:
HOW DOES THAT CONTRADICT WHAT I SAID?

God said he will turn Satan to ashes and you are saying that Satan will not die.

sonmvayina:
The old testament and new testament are for 2 different religions and therefore 2 different ideologies.. The old testament was written by the jews for Judaism.. The new testament was written by the Romans /Greeks for their own religion.. They added it to the Jewish scriptures to mock the God of the jews which they equated to their Satan and created their God (jesus) as the saviour of man...

Blasphemy.

You don't know what you are saying. I gave you a bible verse that says all scripture both old and new testament were given to us by God you claiming that it was the Romans who invented the new testaments is pure fallacy.
The Greeks and Romans were pagans.
secondly the new testament agrees very much with the old so your claim is totally crap.

Blasphemy

solite3:
death does not mean anhilation

So what does it mean?

babeosisi:
Let me start by laying a foundation and I will keep it simple.

The nature of God is in his word.
There is no revelation any man of God can claim outside the word ,if he does he is false.
The bible is divided in two
The old testament and the new
The old testament OT shows us the dealings of God and the people of Israel where they were required to follow certain rules and regulations that couldn't make them righteous.
They required a high priest to make atonement annually before God.
Then at the fulness of time Christ came.

Grace was the original plan of God because Abraham lived under Grace,before the law .
The law started after the deliverance from Egypt in exodus
The Bible says the law was a schoolmaster, it was im perfect and it was temporal.
Jesus fulfilled the law and by his death,burial and resurrection,the law became obsolete, the law expired ,the law became replaced by Grace.
Have you noticed that most pulpit merchants never read out of the new testament ?
Haven't you wondered why?
The reason is simple,hear me
The new testament doesn't support their scamming ways
Any preacher taking ordinances and doctrine from the old testament is a scammer.

Yes
If your GO demands sacrifices from you taken out of the OT,he is a fraudster .
He wants you ignorant still so he can scam you dry

I said watch this space

Which law became obsolete?
Is it the same law Jesus said in Matthew 5:18

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth
pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass
from the law, till all be fulfilled.


https://www.biblicaltraining.org/library/law-sacrifical-system/old-testament-theology/paul-house

www.angelfire.com/la2/prophet1/WhatLawWasNailedToTheCross.html

why do you think Satan is real?

Thats why you need to go or simply any deliverance Church

Martinez19:
Answer the damn question.

No

FiremanP:
Oya hold ur neighbor...

Lol....

Nodogragra4me:
So called strong men obeying police order when skinny boko haram members engages the army...see them in a single file like ants

Lol....I have had similar experience wayback in 2008 when we had crises back in school the so called strong/cult men where the first to cry and flee cowards.

sonmvayina:
Most of the quotes are from the Christian or new testament scriptures, the old testament does not have an evil, independent or equal opposite devil..

So that is one big contradiction in both belief systems..

The Romans just added their BS story about a dying and rising God at the end of the Jewish Tanakh.. As mockery against the most high.

Where in the Bible or my article that says the Devil is God's opposite and equal.

Mind you 2 Timothy 3:16-17 (KJV)
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for
correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect,
thoroughly furnished unto all good works.


Which means both old and new testment are relevant to us.

sonmvayina:
A BIG yes, don't you know by now... God does not condone human sacrifice and detest it, when the jews where following their neighbours to sacrifice their children to moloch, he punished them for it,

He gave them a commandment "do not make the image or likeness of anything in heaven, on earth or under the waters below the earth.. Do not bow down to them or serve them" why should they break it by worshipping a God created in the image and likeness of a man which is found on earth.. He will punish then if they do.. Maybe this time he will send small Qatar to over run them...

The messiah he promised them was from the shoot of Jesse, meaning he will have a human father and mother to usher in an era of Peace, no more wars and oppression.. Men will hammer their sword into ploughshares and learn of war no more.. Isaiah 2 and 11...

There was already a solution to the problem of sin, all God wanted was sincere and genuine repentance.(ezekiel 33)...no human sacrifice is required or necessary.

You are confused.

So who is the messiah he sent them?

solite3:
I disagree that Satan will be anhillated.

the bible always use phrases like eternal punishment for sinners.
someone who has been anhillated cannot be said to be undergoing everlasting punishment.
Matthew 25:46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

what is everlasting punishment?

Revelation 14:11
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Revelation 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.



the punishment clearly means torment.

for there to be torment the person needs to be aware and couscious of the torment or else it is meaningless.

the devil will be in torment forever not anhillated for ever.

I guess Eziekel28:17 is not part of the bible?

solite3:
I disagree that Satan will be anhillated.

the bible always use phrases like eternal punishment for sinners.
someone who has been anhillated cannot be said to be undergoing everlasting punishment.
Matthew 25:46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

what is everlasting punishment?

Revelation 14:11
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Revelation 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.



the punishment clearly means torment.

for there to be torment the person needs to be aware and couscious of the torment or else it is meaningless.

the devil will be in torment forever not anhillated for ever.

You pick bible verses out context explain what the Bible means when it said that sinners will die the second death?

https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/book/e/30/t/hell-fire--a-twisted-truth-untangled


https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/book/e/48/t/spirits-of-the-dead

Ubenedictus:
The devil can die, all thing not God depend on GOD for life.
but i dont believe God is interested in d total anihilation of any intelligent creature both human and angelic.

So God was lying in Eziekel28:17 ?

Martinez19:
Have you been to a native doctor's house?

Why ask?

sonmvayina:
Can God die? The devil is part of God just as we are all part of God.. The devil is not evil or independent of God neither is the devil an equal opposite of God.. That is the height of insult to make the devil a dual opposite of God and assigning to devil powers and kingdoms he does not have or possess.. What insanity..

The devil(Nergal in babylon mythology, Esu in yoruba/Benin mythology and Ekwensu in igbo mythology) is not an equal opposite of God, he does only what God has approved for him..

God cannot decree for the A to happen and the devil will come and change it to B, it is not possible now.. Before the devil does anything he gets the permission or go ahead from his master/God.,which is what is known all round the ancient world and African traditional religion.

It is the Romans that wants to mock God just as the prophet Daniel prophesied in Dan7 :25, that made the devil equal to God to deceive people and put them in darkness.. By creating their own God (jesus) as the saviour of man....

There is JUST nothing that God created that he cant control.. To think other wise is insulting..

People dey find light, without remembering that they can be blinded by the light..

So you mean that Jesus is a false Roman god?

OtemAtum:
Eta-ntagba 17:1 There is no devil as a personality.

According to the BOOK OF TRUTH, there is no individual called DEVIL. Therefore I don't see your question as valid.

Really?

Occultists and yahoo plus boys will be like who is this naive poster talking from his nose.

bloodofthelamb:
I agree with you. The devil can be destroyed and will be destroyed in the lake of fire. That is, he will cease to exist.

True.

Martinez19:
A fictional character can only die in the fictional world.

Joker.

Go to a strong native doctor's house and ask him wheather his house is Disney Studios
and found out for yourself if the Devil is a fictional character.

Will Satan rule Hell for eternity? is the Devil indestructible?
A lot of Christains and non-christains believe that the Devil cannot die they assume that he will be in charge in Hell  deciding the level of punishment meted to sinners this is untrue.

In Eziekel28:14 God through prophet Eziekel told us about the creation and fall of Satan using typology(hidden behind  the name King of Tyre)Arguments have been raised over the identity of the king of Tyre many dispute that the Bible verses refer to the Devil they of the opinion that the verse refers literally to the king of Tyre but a carefull study will reveal to us that only the devil fits this description.
No man has been in the gardern of God(verse13) Men are born not created verse13,No man has been to God's holy mountain, was a covering Cherub or walked in the midst of stones of fire(verse14) No man was born perfect verse15,No man was ever castdown from  Heaven verse16, only the Devil fits this description God gives us more insights to the indentity of this character through prophet Isaiah this time hidden under the name King of Babylon Isaiah14:4-20 compare it with Ezeikel28:17
In Ezeikel 28:17 God pronounced Judgement on Satan,God said he will lay Satan before the eyes of the world for all to see who Satan is and in verse 18
God says he will bring a fire to destory Satan and bring him to ashes Obadiah16, Mal4:1,psalm37:10,psalms 9:5,6
Some cite that the devil is a spirit so he cannot be destoryed yes God,Angels and even the Devil are all spirits but only God has life inherently.
For Satan to be indestructible means that he has immortality but God's word declears that only God has immortality.1Tim6:15  every other living Man or spirits get their life from God.
The devil through his power and influence has decieved humanity to believe that he is indestructible in occult teachings adhrents are promised immortality and great rewards this is far from the truth the Devil does not have immortality and cannot give what he does not have.

In Conclusion
People have made reference to words  in the bible that implies the Devil been punished forever or eternally  but the truth  is when we understand that God's word cannot be broken
One of the primary principles for understanding the Bible is that we must consider all the scriptures on a subject Only then will we come to a complete and accurate understanding of the matter we also need to compare bible verses to see the meaning of words as they are used in a particular context in the bible then we will come to the knoweledge that the Devil is destructible and will be destroyed by the fire of Hell just as God has spoken

UbiPetrus:
No Catholic prays in the name of Mary. I know you are very ignorant.

Really?

UbiPetrus:
I have prayed and will continue to pray for you.

You have no heard that the prayer that God answers must be made in the name of Jesus and not Mary.