Eruditor: 2. The original coup was not an Igbo coup. The head of the coup Major Kaduna Nzeogwu before and after the coup maintained that he was a Northerner by blood. He did not even speak Igbo and never identified as igbo (only by name). He maintained that he was a northerner and he spoke fluent Hausa. (Videos of him saying this are online).
The fact remains ; Major Kaduna Nzeogwu along with Timothy Onwuatuegwu, Chris Anuforo, Don Okafor, Adewale Ademoyega and Humphrey Chukwuka plotted a coup that led to the death of the prime minister who was Hausa, the crown prince of Sokoto who is the premier of Northern region and a symbolic figure to the north and other prominent people.
Saying Nzeogwu never identified as Igbo may not be true especially when he died as a Biafra Lt. Col in the Civil War fighting on the Biafra side.
The fact that Ironsi despite foiling the coup refused to punish the coup plotters appropriately confused the Hausas the more. They saw an "Igbo coup" that was foiled by a senior Igbo officer who became the Head of state, but they didn't see the coup plotters getting any deserved punishments.
The events that led to the Civil War are the main issues people have refused to learn from instead they dwell too much on the war itself
raumdeuter: There is no way anyone can discuss the civil war and its fallout without starting from the January 1966 coup
The summary of the coup is this
The coup was planned and executed by majority Ibo soldiers
Nigeria had 4 regions
2 ruled by non Ibos(Bello and Akintola), 2 ruled by Ibos (Okpara and Osadebey)
The 2 non Ibo premiers were killed, the 2 Ibo premiers were spared There was Zik a president(Ibo) and Balewa a Prime minister(non Ibo). The Prime minister was killed and the president spared
There were several Ibo cabinet members None of them was killed. Actually some of the coupist saw them when they were on rampage and did not touch them
Lets reverse the situation and imagine a group of Hausa soldiers killed the 2 Ibo premiers and spared the 2 non Ibos, Killed Zik spared Balewa, Killed many top ranking Ibo soldiers and spared most of the Hausas senior men
What will you term that if not a Power grab ================================================== And regarding whether Ojukwu released Awolowo or not. I will leave you to make your own deduction.
These are the facts we can all agree on. 1. Awolowo was a Federal Prisoner, 2. He was released. 3. Gowon welcomed him and made him a cabinet minister.
Given the above facts tell me what you think will happen if Ojukwu released Awolowo?
Ojukwu released Awolowo. What do you think would have happened to Awolowo if his release was not sanctioned by Gowon when he entered Lagos. e.g if Buhari as President jails someone say Nnamdi Kanu in Port Harcourt jail, Can Wike release him? If he was released by Wike, what do you think will happen to Kanu the moment he steps back into Abuja? Do you think Buhari will go and welcome him? And let him become a free walking man and even appoint him in his cabinet?
I slept off yesternight.
@Donjazet This post has captured all my ramblings, it summarizes all I've been trying to say.
I suggest u read a copy of Sunset at dawn by the late Prof Chukwuemeka Ike. That book talks about the remote and immediate causes of the war.
Like Raumdeuter rightly said, u can't discuss the war without talking about the military coup of 1966. It sowed a whole new level of mistrust and deep hate among the regions.
The Hausa's and other non-ibo people that died from the coup had been meaning to draw blood, the progroms is a clear indication of this. Then the war gave them full access to do much more sef
donjazet: Don't forget that the aim of the coup was to install awolowo as the leader of Nigeria. A lot of average Nigerians actually supported the coup attempt based on its initial premise which was to eliminate all corrupt government politicians. Even today, I'm sure people will be very happy if people wiped out the likes of Obj, babangida, ty danjuma, wike etc etc.
Yes I agree firmly with you that the current setting of Nigeria is not working and there should be a total restructuring of Nigeria and its components.
You are not getting it. Irrespective of who was supposed to be installed if the coup succeeded, the coup had an ethnic coloration. That was the reality. On top of this a military head of state of Eastern origin emerged.
You know how northerners can throw caution to the wind when gbé feel they have been cheated? Their Sadauna ( crown prince) was even killed only for an igbó man to emerge head of state.
Honestly progroms,resltant civil war were deeply rooted in that coup misadventure
donjazet: You are forgetting that by then, there was already bad blood between the two, and Ojukwu couldn't care less about how gowon felt.
Do u know how much power a GCFR weilds? You forget they are officers in the army with Gowon being his superior and can call for his court martial while eating chicken in his living room.
Forget all those story, military Era is not democracy where Wike will arrest pilots Buhari gave free pass to fly into Rivers state
donjazet: It is unarguable that Obasanjo led the final assault that finally conquered biafra, so we can easily discredit that.
However, of your own personal opinion, do you think the refusal to allow the secession of biafra was the right decision?
No military government will allow a federating unit to break off from a union just like that.
The easterners as a part of the fed rating unit ordinarily should have a right to self determination that allows them to decide if they want to continue with the union or not, but events that led to the declaration of Biafra makes it seem like Ojukwu is part of some military big boys that want to abandon the ship after making it to founder. The 1966 coup claimed the lives of Northerner and few southerners that are not majorly Igbos ; there's a spirit of vengeance in the air.
Ojukwu declaration of Biafra as a sovereign nation would've been better received if the 1966 coup never happened.
In Nigeria of today, I belive Nigeria is a forced union that should be dissolved with all federating units/ regions coming to the table to discuss on a peaceful dissolution not via arms and ammunition
donjazet: @ the bolded, there is already likely version as to why that happened. Awo and zik had formed an alliance earlier in the 50's which went awry.
There are a whole lot of possible scenarios as to what really happened in the failed failed pact between Awo and Zik.
1. There's a document that was signed by the federating regions that allowed for independence only when the north and the south agree on independence happening. The Sadauna and his northern subjects are particularly not excited about the whole independence stuff, while Awo, Zik and their people want it to happen. Zik probably wants it more and decide to offer the north the prime minister seat just to make them agree to the independence happening.
2. Awo indeed met Zik for an alliance, but coincidentally Sadauna called and Zik briefed him on Awo's mission now using this info to negotiate with Sadauna putting him on the spot and telling him if he doesn't deal he will move with Awo. He gets Sadauna to agree and then goes back to the meeting and tell his NCNC people a believable lie to make them see Awo as a double faced man.
3. Àwo indeed met with Sadauna earlier and later met Zik giving both men the same deal. In the hope that he will deal with whoever gives him less worries ; only for this to boomerang because the two parties ( Zik and Sadauna) spoke and they had no choice but to play him like a ball.
Whatever the case is, Awo got the short end of the stick and probably got wiser making it difficult for him to go with Ojukwu a regional military administrator compared to Gowon that was the head of federal government
I have read Why we struck (Ademoyega), Because i am involved (Ojukwu), Not my will (Obasanjo), Madiebo's book, Sunset in Biafra (Amadi), Chukwuemeka Ike's novel (Sunset at Dawn)
The story you read depends on who is telling it.
Exactly. There's a recent one by Alabi Isama that bàbà hate Obasanjo like mad ; he claimed Obasanjo is a coward that took other people's shine in the war effort. He claimed all those glowing words Obasanjo used to qualify himself in his book "My Command" were all lies.
When he was going to media houses creating awareness about his book, Alabi Isama claimed Obasanjo while fleeing the battle field was shot in the buttocks . I bust laughter that day ehn.
Everybody that participated in the war and wrote a book is telling the story from their perspective
donjazet: Raumdeuter, I would like to pick your brain on this subject matter, as you know our history has been soo distorted, it's difficult to know facts. it has been hotly debated that Ojukwu freed awolowo himself on the agreement that himself and the Yoruba would secede from Nigeria but upon his release changed his mind. I just read an article on Sahara reporters that stirs my inquisition. If they did infact agree, why do you think awolowo reneged on the agreement?
But Gowon also claimed he released Awo. Gowon claimed he released him after plead with Awo to join his government. In fact he claimed he had to beg his wife to persuade him to join his government.
I find it hard to believe a military administrator on any of the regions could've released a prisoner of the federal government like Ojukwu claimed.
donjazet: Raumdeuter, I would like to pick your brain on this subject matter, as you know our history has been soo distorted, it's difficult to know facts. it has been hotly debated that Ojukwu freed awolowo himself on the agreement that himself and the Yoruba would secede from Nigeria but upon his release changed his mind. I just read an article on Sahara reporters that stirs my inquisition. If they did infact agree, why do you think awolowo reneged on the agreement?
This is a very sensitive discuss that will flare tempers if it is discussed here. I've read at least 3 books on the war by Late Prof. Chukwuemeka Ike, Olusegun Obasanjo and Chinua Achebe.....There's this other one that detailed the trial of Banjo and Ifejuna ( My old man keeps these books)....
I can tell u there is no true version of the war story. Most people see it from their own side of the war.
From the Sahara reporter's link the interview showed Ojukwu and Awolowo had a discussion in which Ojukwu confirmed was not binding per se.
If we have this discussion it will get messy with some people claiming Awo is a sellout while some will claim He didn't make a promise to Ojukwu and in fact if he did the Igbos deserve it because Zik betrayed Awo and his AG back then when Zik abandoned his pact with Awo and joined forces with Tafawa Balewa to form a government in the first republic.
Honestly the topic will just worsen some old wounds
The general level of football is not higher than now. I don't think anybody would argue otherwise.
Advances in training, diet, medicine, ball technology, pitch quality means players will continue to get better.
With regards to comparing great players from different eras, it is more about comparing how dominant each player was in his era and trying to assess how they would do against each other if they all had the same environmental factors.
I agree with this. What I just don't get is when people say the same defenders we see in these old clips will stop some of the today's attacks like Messi, Ronaldo and others...when in fact the defenders of nowadays who have also benefited from the advancement in training, sports medicine etc cannot do the stopping.
afrodoc2: To avoid any argument let us watch this clip from the final showing Charlton scoring 2 goals en route to victory. Hopefully there is a close up of the medals.
Honestly I still don't understand how people rate footballers that played in this Era at per or even higher than some great players we have now.
I mean watching this match, it gives a vibe of two Ajebutter private schools playing against each other. See each of the teams when defending allowing the offensive team as much space as they need ....They even allow the ball to bounce around when passing or controlling the ball . The ball is just too loosely played around.
Sincerely I don’t rate the football they play during those era higher than what we have now
diggz: Of course, they wont tell you what to do directly. Tbh....thats the reason why they've chosen to use smart graduates who can read between the lines.
diggz: Dont you think you need to know the consequences you're asking these people to damn first? What if it involves their life and those of their family members and associates? I've you sat down to think about this?
I've seen people have their lives ruined for crossing the powers that be. I've experienced some aspect of this personally. Its noble and good to damn the consequences, but you need to first know the consequences you're damning and the repercussions that will surely follow my brother.
Nobody go protect you o! It's either you avoid anything linked to government or ready die ontop when you enter and choose not to play games.
Even when I worked as a presiding electoral officer in the north, INEC during the training told us to do what will save our lives first when we find ourselves in situations which we are asked to compromise on our integrity.
NOTE: They didn't tell anyone to say yes or no to these requests, they say assess the situation and do what will save ur life.
obainojazz: My own is that, don't these politicians travel abroad and see how things are done. Baba has traveled the globe, the governors and ministers have all gone abroad to witness how things work but they all chose to be stupid. How hard is it to better the lives of your citizens.. they get to power and only want to secure their pockets and the future of their children. Five years is enough to actually do something significant.. five years and you still constructing rail lines in a route no bigger than some states in other countries. How hard is it to investigate murders or tell SARS to stop killing young boys or order the military or police to respect civilian rights.. It's not even possible when they have turned a whole DSS to a kidnapping organisation. The blame goes round as our governors are equally incompetent... It's time we stopped demanding less from these politicians and hold them accountable for everything. They have done nothing and deserves no praise.. Every issue is important, a government that turns blind eye on killings happening in the country whether by Police, Army, Herdsmen and so on surely don't care about it's citizens. 24 hours light dey sweet, driving on good roads is heaven, going to the police station an they give you your balance after you paid 50 dollars for something is Nice... That's after greeting you how are you sir when you entered.. Having Ambulance come pick you up in less than five minutes of calling shouldn't be that hard to do, doctors go soon japa finish from our country cos the difference is clear abroad. Make I Siddons chop the 600k in naira I was paid by the government and school.... It's nothing compared to tuition fees but then ... All they wanted was for us to show we still schooling.. I didn't have to belong to any political party or come from Katsina...
iamoyindamola: Bros be careful what you post here please, don't get in gbede for Nigeria it's not worth it unless this have been released to the internet I will advise you take it down before instablog use you shine
Modified I just read about him on Twitter they Dan drag the man pass generator since it was leaked
afrodoc2: Where did you see that? I hope nobody will get in trouble for it?
I believe there are some rebels in his camp who are tired dealing with his greediness. About 2 weeks ago they leaked documents showing he's been paying on of his 3 wives thru his office. He has since punished the officers involved I learnt.
Now they just leaked this one again. To answer ur question, it was posted on facebook
1. Faqih Bolkiah £20 billion (Leiceister City, 21 years)
2. Cristiano Ronaldo £ 460 Million( Juventus, 35 years)
3. Lionel Messi £400 Million ( Barcelona, 32 years)
4. Zlatan Ibrahimovic £190 Million( Ac Millan, 38 year)
5. Neymar da Silva Santos Junior £185 Million ( PSG, 28 years)
6. Wayne Rooney £160 Million ( Derby Country, 34 years)
7. Gareth Bale £125 Million ( Real Madrid, 30 years )
8. Andres Iniesta £120 Million ( Vissel Kobe, 35 years )
9. Eden Hazard £100 Million ( Real Madrid, 29 years)
10. Paul Pogba £85 Million (Manchester United , 27 years) Copied
Number 1 touch my body and soul
The boy inherited the money na. Its not footbal made tru football sef. The boy can even afford to squander his one year football income in one night at the club.
diggz: When I stopped believing everything I read on papers na when useless Ewu of ebonyi won the best Governor in education that year. Same state that had me teaching the entire secondary school class mathematics as a corper. Something wey I never see for my entire life before until I got to Ebonyi state.
Same useless Ewu was buying pages on newspapers to launder his image and claim he's built modern class rooms when most classes had no roof , chairs or tables in several schools I visited while I served in that state.
My brother....who no go no go understand.
This is exactly my point. Whoever has experienced some of the weird stuff happening underground in this country will not swallow all figures and data being churned out as fact ; especially when u've experienced how bias people can be with these data