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izzou:
[color=royalblue]Comfort's legal team should gather witnesses on the plane too.

All these "I was on the plane", on IG and Facebook doesn't mean anything. So many versions sef.[/color]

All the people identifying as passengers on the flight will most likely be contacted by her lawyers if the lawyers know their job well.

They definitely won't go to court to rely on defence based on internet screenshots

https://www.nairaland.com/8496106/like-zenith-court-awards-5

So two diffrent judgements has pronounced that a bank cannot restrict your bank account exevpt there's a court order that authorize them to do so.

So, even if EFCC ask them to place a hold on Ur account, without EFCC providing a court order u can sue the bank and win.

Banks will be having serous headaches now.

iamoyindamola:
Exactly but she wasn't smart enough to gather evidence
The air hostess provided more video evidences, it was she against the world

With all these new revelations coming to light, the air hostess too may lose her job. When the heat gets too much for the airline company , they will throw her under the bus.

GloriousGbola:
the problem imho is not enough legacy airline professionals in management roles
and executives who focus first and foremost on money over everything else

Well,

That is another angle sha. Keyamo sef wey be aviation minister has not done anything related to avaition in his life. We are not even sure some of the guys managing the avaiation agencies may be core aviation expert.

That one na general naija problem sha

iamoyindamola:
This is another narrative, she stayed behind for what reason?

You can see from this screenshot say the air hostess and the lady are stubborn and mostly two of dem get bad mouth.

The Air hostess most likely wanted to deal with her and the comfort lady wanted to show her that "where her own craze end na there her own start "

It is a shiit show honestly.

izzou:
[color=royalblue] Brotherrrlllllllyyyyyy, you are mixing this thing up.

I did not support Ibom Air for dragging her and exposing those precious stones. I am not supporting violence in any way.

I am simply saying that the moment you experience the slightest act that a passenger will be a problem, kindly tell them to behave, or deboard them and refund immediately

Instead of pampering K1 to the plane, they could have told him he wouldn't be able to get through and he would be refunded, unless he ditches his alcohol. Now, a pilot is suspended

They had already boarded, but the plane had not taxied yet. They could have spent few minutes to tell her to either switch her phone off, or they will deboard her and refund her immediately. I am absolutely sure she would have behaved then.

The Embassy has a strict No phone policy. This same person will switch it off there, without much grammar. Why? Because you cannot enter.

Companies should learn to protect their staff too. And people should learn to keep sensitive videos from the public. I'm happy someone will pay for exposing her. [/color]

It is when u threaten a Nigerian passenger with debording or refund u will see the real naija stubborn spirit in them o.

Anyways I think I get ur point now; we can disagree to agree .

GloriousGbola:
the professional thing for the staff to do was to stand aside and let airport security handle the matter
then it is not an ibom air issue but an actual security issue

a good lawyer can slap civil liability on ibom air for manhandling violence and public humiliation. comfort will just appear crying on tv saying she had a mental breakdown and the unfeeling and wicked ibom air staff decided to beat her up

from the pilot vs kwam1 to this incident - it is actually frightening - the entire cabin crew is supposed to be intensively trained for scenarios like this. instead you have them matching aggressive passengers aura for aura and ESCALATING situations because they are in the right .

Likeeeeee!

This is a PR nightmare for Ibom Air; in just matter of days the whole thing is blowing up and they are looking like the villian already in the court of public opinion.

I think these two incidents just made Keyamo's job a lot more difficult. Now they need to have meetings with airline operators and agree on a consensus whether Airplane mode is safe for a plane to land and take off or it is outright switching off phones that passengers need to adhere to.

They would also be deliberating on review of the protocol to be employed in dealing with unruly passengers. They would be talking about a whole lot of issues they've not considered before now that will give them headache in the furture.

iamoyindamola:
In all of this
She assaulted the staff- Yes or No?

Of course she did. That is not debatable

The staff's role in the whole issue will also be investigated

If there's any element of truth to the other passengers' account of the events on the Ibom Air flight I have been reading online ; the matter looks like a case that started off as that of " stubborn woman Jam stubborn woman"

The comfort lady was asked to switch off her phone but she refused and insisted it was already on airplane mode. The air hostess insisted on having her switch if off rather than have it on airplane mode.


The air hostess wanted to impose her authority and wanted 100% compliance while the comfort lady seem like one who would not give in,having convinced herself that her phone being on airplane mode means all safety protocol has been observed. (most airlines would want u to either out the phone off or on airplane mode)


Most likely there was an exchange of words and ego battle between the two ladies until another passenger took the phone off the lady and switched it off to save everybody's time since the air hostess would not allow the pilot take off except the comfort lady complies. That definitely infuriated the comfort lady and must have turned a chatterbox from takeoff to landing.

The air hostess wanting to deal with comfort already had the pilot call security immediately the plane landed. She blocked comfort from disembarking and comfort fought back by trying to force her way out which unfortunately for her was caught on camera.

The video made the internet and she is now in serious trouble......

Izzou see what I was saying about airlines being diplomatic to a fault with their customers because of the blowback from altercations between their staff and passengers which may lead to potential lawsuit?

Now the dynamics of the whole matter is changing. There's a section of the public that is now sympathetic with the lady urging her to sue the airline company.

The video of the lady wanting off the plane with the air hostess blocking her way and the testimony of other passengers aboard same aircraft is beginning to sway public opinion away from Ibom Air's side.

Suddenly, even Keyamo the minister of aviation is displeased with Ibom Air over the indocent video of th lady that made it to the internet.

The lady will definitely get what's coming to her, but this is also a PR mess for Ibom Air Sha.

Amigoss:
Apc don see people finish

Nice one.

Ẹ mu shekpẹ, ẹ dibo

Theflint1:
These girls just big, na last year she finish University

Whats the corelation between firm bresss and year of university education completion?

Theflint1:
BlueRay dey look imsef less, the people wey dey mentor the girl no reach am o

Na so! make dem weldone.

More power to their elbow

Theflint1:
Lol, the girl be like who don already dey under mentorship, and it's likely her recent issue might expose her to even more mentors

These ones are freelance. No one mentor can mentor these ones successfully.

sleekdot:
Oga blueray

You know there are many other English words you could have used in this place but you chose the most appropriate

Na where I understand English reach I take talk am o.

Nothing concern me with her market wey she dey sell o.

We do not have the financial capacity beyond feeding our eyes off what is made available on the internet make we move on afterwards.

sleekdot:
Her line of work dey here

https://x.com/yourtechqueenxx/status/1954906395007987994

"Me hailing my rich clients"

"Small girl, Big diggz"

Oh, dem don even dig up her social media handle?

The funny thing about this country be say She go just come back from Kirikiri see say she don get plenty new followers.

iamoyindamola:
I trust you
Ma nigga

Just check @d_peoplesinsight page on IG, those ones don quickly compile her baddy pishures post.

Bloggers no dey slack at all, dem dey always milk people's misfortune sharp sharp

raumdeuter:
My able doctor what type of sickness is this especially around 0.09

https://x.com/dwrld_tv/status/1954843294279553510

I have seen the lady's other pictures; she's an IG baddy. She has sutry pictures everywhere; she gives the vibe of all those girls that think "If it is trouble you want, I will give you plenty "

raumdeuter:
When TB Joshua was exposed by Kola Olawuyi, they went to his village in Ondo, I think somewhere in Akoko they interviewed people from his village who said he was a scammer later Kola Olawuyi got a cease and desist letter to stop chasing the case, next thing by mid 90s I saw TB joshua already has a church in Ikotun not far from where I lived, next thing he is on TV performing miracles, next thing Amokachi dey go there, next some Oyinbos even some country's president, next you begin see foreign players coming to him for healing

The thing just dey always marvel me, Na like say as we see Indabski now, in 20yrs time make you begin see presidents, top footballers, and pilgrims flowing into his church

TB Joshua's case was the first time I knew that someone's public image can actually be laundered with enough amount of giveaway done.

Nobody rated him all over Egbe, Ikotun and Alimosho at large back then. His story casted all over Lagos. Then he began giveaway of food items and people started trooping far and wide. Oyinbos saw videos of his charity and purported miracles, and they began trooping in.

The arrival of Oyinbos encouraged fellow Nigerians to follow suit and the money started flowing .

raumdeuter:
Omo no be only Queen of the coast oh. Different formats. One will say he is the son of Emir of Kano, son of Sultan of Sokoto and accepted Christ now so he is facing persecution because he became a preacher so need to raise money. Regular civil servants teachers etc will be donating money to them

Then there was a blockbuster book I think the name sounded like someone from Southsouth about how he went under the sea and became assistant to Satan

I remember one in the 90s came on Kola Olawuyi show his name was Fisher Jemijaye Ukoko and said he and God sit together to determine the fate of the world. All leaders in the world are in their cult. Where he went to far was that be brought a black egg and clamed if he broke the egg, that will be the end of the world. Na so dem say make dem schedule egg breaking ceremony for stadium

The late Kolawole Olawuyi made an entire career off bursting these guys back in the days. This Ukoko fisher , TB Joshua and one other woman that claimed she was God were the prominent Kola Olawuyi's cases I still remember very well. The man really demystified those guys back then.

That woman's case was much later when Kola Olawuyi had moved to GalaxyTV and was airing the program on Sunday afternoons.( I think the woman's name was Malaika or so) The woman claimed she created heaven; in fact she created Kola Olwuyi that came to interview her . The man say lai lai o, no be u create me. What was shocking was that the woman's church actually had members who believe she is indeed God.

That woman's format is still being used by Olumba Olumba till date. The papa say na him be holy spirit (comforter) that was promised when Jesus left the earth. When the papa die, the son Roland that took over still continue from where him papa stop by still claiming to be the holy spirit personified till date.

When I saw people raving about TB Joshua in the 2010's I just dey laugh .

izzou:
[color=royalblue] Nowhere did I say they should use force on anybody.

The moment you notice that a passenger is trouble, call them to order and insist on refunding them immediately if they will not behave...But they won't do that.

I don't know the story of the Ibom Air, but I can bet that the lady was already showing signs of a problem from the airport. I have driven Uber, and 99% of the time, bad rides start from when they order you.

Simply refund them and ask them to leave because of your rule they are violating, but it is easier for an elephant to pass through the eye of a needle, than for any business to refund you in one hour sef.[/color]

The Ibom Air report has confirmed the incident happened aboard the aircraft. I guess that means the suggestion of refund doesn't apply to this case.

That being said, I never said problematic passenger should not be handled by airport security. What I was pointing out to u is that Airlines like normal businessmen generally have a posture of exploring all diplomatic means of settling disputes involving their passengers . It is only when all diplomacy fails they would call security. If they go the way of threatening refund to each and every customer they have issues with.......it won't do their business favors at all.

Airlines sef dey 4ck up wella. Airpeace don move my flight which was around 12.20pm to 6pm before . If people passengers of the flight begin fight dem , e go be like say passengers dey constitute nuisance

iamoyindamola:
Insurance Yes
But the insurance companies will monitor and verify the airline didn't violate T&C leading to the crash

Aviation business is an international business and it is governed by international laws and international agencies.

There are agencies responsible to ensure airlines adhere to safety measures. Insurance companies will rely on this agencies' findings and pay every victim.

iamoyindamola:
No bro
Airline are big companies, they usually set aside some funds for unseeable issues like legal cases, compensation etc
How do you think they come about money incase of plane crashing?
All these doesn't affect the shareholders dividend monthly, bi-annual or annual

The answer you seek is called insurance.

Below is how the victims of the India air crash will be compensated by the respective insurers.

No amount of funds set aside can sort plane crash liability

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Refund that my guy chased Arik for over 3 months to do, after cancelling a flight? The first picture was in July. The Second was in September, and they still didn't refund. I think they refunded in October sef

Which Nigerian business dey easily refund sef?

And you cannot tell me Aviation companies are scared of lawsuits, even after being the victim.

So K1 go pour pilot alcohol, still carry ValueJet go court?[/color]

You are reading everything wrong based on Ur personal conviction which u are unwilling to change.

I never said airlines are scared of lawsuits hence why the don't forcefully evacuate passengers when they are victims.

All I'm saying is the reasonable thing they should do and which they mostly do is exercise caution in handling issues that has to do with passengers registering their displeasure with the service they provided. They take caution so they don't get slammed with lawsuit which may have been avoidable.

I saw videos of that Ibom lady being dragged off the plane yesterday and in one of the videos the lady's top was torn exposing her boobs. Now we don't know the full story of what really happened but such lady can institute an action against the airline for that. Whether she will win or not; it's not for us non lawyers to decide.

When they airlines try to use diplomacy to deal unruly passengers, it is not because they can't use force but they don't know how the use of force may end. A passenger may get paralyzed when being evacuated off a plane and he or she will Win big damages for injuries suffered.


In fact, airlines and people who own aircrafts generally are mandated by law to buy insurance that will cover them against passenger liability.

iamoyindamola:
But both parties are incurring cost in the end, the plaintiff can also spend more than the airline

The plaintiff is not the MD of the airline company that will report to the board and have to explain why shareholders will not be receiving dividend.

If is the MD of the Company that will have to explain how come most of the company's revenue is spent on legal cost.

The airline is a business venture that has shareholders who expect returns on their investment, not story about how the management has to pay so much to settle legal cost

iamoyindamola:
If there are proof, court will rubbish what every lawsuit
Airpeace have been sued and called out several time they didn't lose any case

Whether you win or lose a case, you will bear legal cost of defending Ur case in court. That's the point I'm trying to make ; that's the reason they try to avoid lawsuit as much as they can

iamoyindamola:
Won't they have company lawyer

They will have legal department, but also retain services of top law firms. Almost every company of worth does that.

izzou:
[color=royalblue] Lawsuit, when you are actually violent to my staff?

If I pour an air hostess alcohol, that's not enough to get kicked out?

It's because they don't want to refund. That's why. Nigerian businesses would rather tolerate and excuse all sorts of mad behavior, than reverse a transaction.[/color]

Okay, I hear u.

How much is refund?

I am telling u that all over the world (not just Nigeria alone), aviation business is a business that is highly susceptible to legal liability. They get slammed with lawsuits every now and then it costs them so much money defending those lawsuits.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Kick them out with the speed of light.

If ValueJet and Ibom Air had addressed these mad people's case before they boarded, all these trendings won't happen.
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Aviation business is a business that comes with a whole lot of legal liability. You can kick a passenger off a flight and next Monday he will serve u a million dollar lawsuit.

He may not actually win eventually, but u would've expended so much on legal cost if the person na troublesome person wey just an drag u from the lowest court to the highest court.

It's not like management of airlines don't wish to give every misbehaving passenger hot hot; but they just don't want to spend a large percentage of their income on settling court awarded damages/legal costs

semid4lyfe:
Social media wasn't really a thing when I served, but I still remember the long talk my parents had with me the night before I travelled, and the words of advice they offered.

◾ No waka anyhow.
◾ Avoid trouble, and do not get into any disagreements and fights.
◾ Be careful where you eat and drink.
◾ When going out in mufti, always have something visible on you that identifies you as a Corper.
◾ When travelling, always board vehicles at the parks, and do not stand by the roadside.
◾ If the path to your PPA is lonely, always walk in groups with other corpers.
◾ Don’t poke your nose into local politics or community squabbles.
◾ Keep your head low, do your service, and come home in one piece.

If na now, I guess they’ll have added, “Be careful what you post on social media. You never know who’s watching or how far it will spread.”

Now imagine you’re a parent. You’ve laboured and sponsored your daughter through school, paid rent, fed her, sacrificed your comfort for her education. She goes for NYSC, and in the middle of service, she posts an unnecessary, critical and derogatory video about the state she’s serving in, a video that blows up online, attracting attention and trouble.

I don’t know about you, but me, I will be maad furious. Yes, she’s an adult. Yes, she has freedom of expression. But there’s also something called sense.

She be VA remote worker so maybe she feels she doesn’t need the NYSC certificate. But after one year of service, what’s she bringing back home? Social media popularity, followers, and podcast invites? Fame that will fade in a few months. Because when the noise dies down, na family go still bear the strain.

Her online supporters that were egging her on, shouting, "she's brave, she's speaking her truth", where dem dey now? Sowore, Inibehe Effiong and the other activists that were following her around, where dem dey now?

See, this kain thing dey only sweet when it’s not your own person. But when it is, you’ll wish they had just stayed quiet, finished their service without any drama, and came home.

There’s a reason people say when in Rome, behave like the Romans do. NYSC no be activism bootcamp. It's not the time to prove you can save the world. Sometimes, wisdom is knowing which battles to fight, and which ones to walk past.

None of this speaks to why she doesn't have her certificate after serving the punishment meted out to her in accordance with justice and fairness (which is what laws should be about)

We can talk about her deserving the punishment of extension after criticizing the government despite being an NYSC member. But we shouldn't fail to speak to the fact that her being denied the said certificate after serving punishment is grossly irresponsible on the part of NYSC and its officials.

People should not just make this about her flouting NYSC rules, people should be able to speak to how people like the LGI make it difficult to have a society where citizens can carry-on with their lives after serving punishments prescribed by law. Even in the criminal justice system, after an individual serves a jail term, he or she is allowed to continue to live his life as a freeborn

GloriousGbola:
you work in corporate. you KNOW how it goes. when you are dealing with hostile parties you find a way to document.

Raye is young so maybe she wont know this. but as this story has gotten out, it is very likely there are pictures of her at the verification exercise

So u think the people who lie bold-facedly she didn't come for clearance even when she had conversation more than once with the LI at the same venue won't dismiss any time stamped or geostamped evidence she may bring to the fire and tag such evidence as forged/manipulated?

Just dey play!

GloriousGbola:
I thought this may have happened.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.oceangalaxy.camera.new&hl=en

she should maybe have documented her being there for clearance. because now it is her word against the ZI.

Does she have Superpowers to predetermine what the stooopid LI would do?

They gave her extension as punishment and she served the punishment dutifully. How is it her fault that the stooopid LI is not satisfied with her serving the punishment?

If Nigeria were not a dysfunctional society and NYSC a useless government program with mumu staff members like the LI, they would clear her like others who came for the clearance and she no human right activist/ opposition party members would be revisiting the story all over again.
Now they have used their yeye vindictiveness to ressurect a case that should've been long buried.

The LI would have people digging her details up all over again; she and her fellow political civil servants will start talking about they being bullied.