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Ibime:
Is Arabic all that Almajiri schools were supposed to teach?

Why can't they learn the regular Boko (Western Education) like the rest of the country. They can even learn it in Arabic, Fulfude or Hausa. Even Saudi children are learning Boko. Are they more pious than the Holy land?

I believe the plan was to fuse Western education into the Almajari system but from all indications that was one of the major reasons the whole thing failed . The northerners would have none of that

monerozi5590:
The third paragraph is the meaning of almajiri but them don spoil everything. Dem don turn those children to beggers.

You can see that Sanusi's position here(As a northerner) is different from Fashola's criticism of the Almajari school system.

While Fashola is talking down on the Almajari system lamenting that Almajari graduates will not be equipped with necessary employable skills, Sanusi actually thinks an Almajari is as good as a regular literate person.

If Sanusi a core northern elite believes an Almajari being able to read and write in Arabic is enough, where does that leave southerners who believe otherwise?

Jodera:
I expected more from Willian as a short fix cos I thought he'll give us at least two seasons (seeing that he wasn't really flopping at Chelsea when they moved him on) but Man was absolutely horrendous all round bar his first two matches. At a certain time he was irritating to watch.

Pepe on the other hand really underwhelmed but his first two seasons at least, he wasn't horrendous. I can remember our run towards the end of that season we won Fa cup under Arteta, he has some respectable run of form in performances. I remember once joking here that he Pepe will underwhelm throughout the season but once it reaches towards the end, he'll catch a bit of form and confuse person that he's picking up. I won't also forget he sometimes turns up in Europa.

Personally, I don't think he's totally useless for us.

Omo!

Nothing u wan tell me, Pepe was more underwhelming than Willian in my books. I wasn't expecting much from the signing of a 32 year old who has never scored 10 goals in the league even when he was playing for Chelsea in his glory days.

Yes, I was frustrated like every other fan seeing Willian struggling each game day, but that can never overshadow my frustration with Pepe and whoever sanctioned his signing from Chelsea.

The funny thing is Willian didn't even spend more than a season with us(which shows he was indeed a stop-gap). Pepe was a bad market through and through; It was so bad we couldn't even get any big team to take him off our books. Look at Dembele for example; as much as he gba for Barca playing rubbish up and down; he could still find his way down to PSG.

Nobody wanted Pepe because nobody could see whatever we saw in him before falling for the scam deal

raumdeuter:
The key thing about Almajiri schools why it was a waste of time is that unless the people buy into the idea and change the cultural mindset, they will find it insulting and reject it. How many times have you seen Northern elders defend Almajiri system as their culture and religious way of life

Ordinary telling people to give birth to kids they can cater for is a sensitive topic as they will tell you God takes care of children. To even get people to take polio vaccine its war. There was a time Northern Nigeria was the only place polio was thriving and I was at the forefront cos I was involved in a UNICEF project to vaccinate people. Take vaccine to protct your child should be the easiest thing to get people onboard with yet it was an issue

A people who started a terror organzation and named it "Western Education is a sin" those are the ones you built Almajiri schools for? Dey play my people

Until the North decides to change many things we are just wasting our time

I guess we can all agree we are doomed as things stand. Whatever is happening in the North, the spill over will always get to us down south

Jodera:
Lol... True. So true.

But personally Sha, I don't grade such a player as entirely useless cos Arsenal knew the risk involved and still went to buy him for a high fee. He has no reputation and was just one season wonder. That's why sha, I no too grade players on transfer fees.

If to say na prime Neymar or Salah or even Zaha (that we were initially linked to) we bought we that money and he flopped like Pepe, I would have grade him as a useless signing cos I would have expected more.

Personally, I see Willian signing as a more useless signing than Pepe but I understand your point fully

How na ?

Willian was a 32 year old signed on free transfer as a short fix for our attacking issues on the right-wing. How is his signing and time at Arsenal more usless than Pepe's ?

E be like say some fans just love that Pepe guy unnecessarily; the kind of love his performance for us doesn't deserve

swiz123:
Or rather they used school feeding to enrich themselves. Reminds of the days Buhari fed school children with 1 billion daily. Never has anything more stupid been done in Nigeria.

Like GloriousGbola opined, those clerics are the elephant in the room and not these backwater solutions.

Those clerics are the people. U can't separate a core northerner from his religion & culture. Some of these things go deeper than somebody just saying " Jonathan used the Almajari school system to enrich himself and his cronies"

Yes Jonathan the president failed and was shown the way out. But u should also be aware that Buhari a core northerner ruled for 8 years and nothing changed; in fact things got even worse. Why ? Because whether u call it backwater solutions or frontwater solutions, those clerics are the voice of the people. They are part and parcel of the people.

It was way back in SS1 studying Government as a subject I had long realized that the religion and culture thing is what the typical northerner holds dear. You will rarely see the people go against the opinion of their leaders. And that's one of the real reasons why the British's indirect rule was a huge success. The people listen to their traditional-cum-religious leaders whcih makes it easier for the colonial masters to have them on chokehold

swiz123:
Those that served in the North knows you can get assaulted by a child's parents for not allowing their children leave the class once it's time to farm and they come at random.

The culture there has illiteracy as its foundation and this makes most northerners socially awkward to those from the south.

Despite free education in state government owned schools, most of the classes are always empty. Some of the governors used school feeding as the game changer to entice those kids to come to school.

GloriousGbola:
Can you show an actual teacher that was engaged in this program? Can you show an actual curriculum? Can you entail why there would be almajiri schools when there were already regular govt schools that provide free education?

So what exactly were the almajiri schools bringing to the table? It was just another of gejs white elephant projects what wasted money without any actual target

It was in the midst of what to do with the increasing number of almajirai that the federal government led by former President Goodluck Jonathan began constructing model tsangaya/almajiri schools across the country as part of the Almajiri Education Programme.

Those in charge of the initiative at the time said it was done to help the almajirci system become more mainstream in basic education.

However, years after Jonathan has gone, experts believe the initiative has flopped because the federal government left the concept to states that were right from the beginning not bothered about resolving the problem around almajirci.

Also, most of the clerics championing the karatun allo were evidently reluctant to key into the initiative, which would have paved the way for the children to learn both Qur’anic and western education under one roof.

Daily Trust Saturday reports that the Jonathan administration spent about N15billion to build no fewer than 157 tsangaya model schools across the northern states, which are now sadly in a poor state due to poor maintenance, funding and acceptability by those they are meant for.

According to a response to a Daily Trust Saturday enquiry from the Universal Basic Education Commission (UBEC) on April 4, 2022, the commission constructed, equipped and handed over the 157 model almajiri schools to states.

It showed that Gombe State, for instance, has at least five of such schools, Katsina 10, Kano 12 and Niger 10

However, an investigation by our reporter found that most of the schools are in bad shape, even as many of them are struggling to remain afloat.

Learning infrastructures in the schools are fast deteriorating at a time when the menace of out-of-school children is on the rise

Findings revealed that it was only in 2021 that the President Muhammadu Buhari-led administration moved to modify the strategy, according to disclosures by the Presidential Steering Committee on Alternate School Programmes.

The UBEC has a specialised department called the Department of Tsangaya (Almajiri) Education Programme to address the problems of out-of-school children, especially on basic education.

Although the UBEC stated on its website that the almajiri schools were handed over to respective Universal Basic Education Boards (SUBEBs) in states, some chief functions of the UBEC, according to its mandate, inspired this report

The UBEC has the mandate to coordinate the activities of SUBEBs that are related to the Tsangaya Education Programme; and it is vested with the mandate to collect, collate and report the status of tsangaya model schools to the UBEC management.

However, some of the almajirai said they were happy being in the school as they felt they were better than their counterparts roaming the streets.

Malam Isah Musa, an assistant teacher who has spent six years in the school, said he was made an assistant teacher after he became the most senior almajiri (or pupil) in the school.

“In terms of feeding, those of us who have means of income cater for themselves, while the younger ones beg for food like any other almajiri,” he said.

He appealed to the government to assist them with blankets and mats for the over 70 pupils in the school.

The pupils, on their part, asked for more teachers, as findings revealed that there is only one teacher in the school, called Malam Sulaiman Umar.

https://dailytrust.com/fgs-almajiri-school-system-flops-as-n15bn-facilities-rot-away/

1.The above shows my initial position to be correct.
2.There were indeed teachers
3. The idea was to make sure the vulnerable students get a mixture of Islamic education and western education(Since they won't embrace purely western education)
4. The state governors and elites were less concerned about Almajari getting education.
5. Buahri's new government didn't give a rat-ass about any Almajari system and like they say "The rest is history"

swiz123:
I am not unaware of this.

Your post passed off as someone trying to justify illegal execution by the police. Nobody knows what the man did and the policeman murdered him at his own discretion.

During this period and worst in the North, this can cause serious revolution if a devilish mind twists this situation properly.

I am not trying to justify the killing. I was very open minded in my initial post.

I mentioned that the video might be an old or unrelated video. Segedinho has since posted Dailytrust's sources confirming it is a recent video.

That being said, I have seen enough cases of security agents taking laws into their hands without any legal consequence(either for the wrong or right reasons); hence the reason why I'm not surprised or outraged. It's like something that has happened over and over again

GloriousGbola:
What is almajiri education? There was never any plan beyond building school structures. Did we ever see an almajiri teacher? Or the books intended to teach them? Have we actually seen any concert plan by northern leadership to tackle this?

I have said it before, the north is simply a fuedal structure where there are few ultra wealthy people, a scattered middle class and millions of peasants. All held together by rigid Islamic orthodoxy, ulamas and Islamic clerics who tell you the poor will enter Al jannah first.

As to repentant boko haram, that was simply the north going for federal character. If militants got amnesty and scholarships, we should get the same too. Our time to chop even if money is finished.

Why do u think Jonathan's government decided to formalize the almajari system of education in the first place? Hope u know prior Jonathan's attempt at formalizing the almajari system, there are millions of northern kids who ourightly shunned western education due to their beliefs/culture?

Jonthan was only looking at a situation where those kids are not completely ostracized from the rest of the society with no skill or knowledge whatsoever, thereby becoming ready-made reccuits for terrorists and fundamentalists. At least let the number of vulnerable kids be out of reach of boko haram and the likes.

You can't claim there was no arrangement beyond building of school structures. The same thing that happens where there's a change of government happened with the Almajari system; Jonathan lost the election and the new sheriff in town was not interested in continuing his initiative and the ends.

The crazy thing about all of this is that even if as a southerner u chose not to concern urself with what is happening in the north, u will feel it when there's scarcity of and hike in the prices of food commodity.

swiz123:
The police has no right to execute a subdued alledged criminal. The video I just watched it outright murder.

Only the Judiciary determine the punishment of a convicted criminal, not the executive as enshrined in our constitution.

Nigeria is a country where MC Oluomo was caught on camera threatening a certain demography of the electorates who decides to vote against his preferred candidate. The police spokesperson claims the statement was a joke and laughed it off. On the election day, the threat was carried out as MC had intended. What happened thereafter?

Nothing! Absolutely nothing.

If for a second u believe Nigeria is a country where the law reigns supreme, then u need to have a rethink. Anything and many things dey happen for this country.

GloriousGbola:
They are trying to find an alternative to Western education.this is the best they could come up with

What is the alternative to alternative to Western education?

If almajari education provides that the young northern child roaming the streets will not break into ur house tomorrow in search for his next meal, then I don't see reason to talk down on it.

If u think Jonathan was pandering to the northern agenda by coming up with the almajari school system, then what do we call the act of labelling boko haram terrorits "repentant boko haram" which happened all through Buhari's regime?

monerozi5590:
If you go to Soba Local Government in Kaduna State. You will see some of the structures Jonathan built for those kids. Is abandoned and they aint using it.


The main issue is a poor man giving birth to many children that he can't take care of.

An average or well to do Hausa man likes education. Some even send their kids abroad to study.

Some of those kids, I don't even know where they come from. You will just see them on the street.

This is where leadership matters.

Jonathan will not leave his house 9 years after leaving government and be using his personal money (or stolen money) to be funding Almajiri school. His successors may not be interested in continuing on that path, but the governors, senators HoR members, etc have a huge role to play.

These elites know allowing the children to keep roaming the streets is a threat to public peace(maybe not now, but later in the future). The future is here now and everyone is acting all surprised.

How many of those elites has openly criticized giving birth to several children? Some of those elites have 4 wives. How will they tell the poor man he can't have 4 as well? That's where the problem is

izzou:
[color=royalblue]My friend is currently at home.

A truck carrying their drinks was hijacked on the way.

24 million naira worth of drinks was looted till it got to 11 million.

The owner just asked all of them to stay at home and lock the warehouse. Make him first reason wetin to do.[/color]

Can u imagine. I just had a feeling that a lot of businessmen would be growing through serious challenge with this mass demonstration going on.

That ur friend's boss has no choice but to count his losses and move on. Now imagine preaching to such a person later in the future that he must invest in the country and create jobs for the citizens. Shey no be offside everything u talk go dey enter for his ear?

I really pity those in haulage and logistics business at this time. They are at a high risk of their trucks being highjacked and cargo being looted by "protesters" in different parts of the country(particularly) the north.

monerozi5590:
I am not against peaceful protest. What's those kids are doing is stealing. Is a big No No. Using knives and breaking into people's shops to steal. This is not protest but pure stealing.

Those kids have no business being on the street to protest. They have parents. Adults siblings or whatever. Those kids know nothing. They can easily be influenced to cause chaos.

Are those kids not out-of-school kids that abound all over the north?? Are they not the same kids Jonathan decided to build Almajiri schools and APC ridiculed the idea?

Even the learned silk Babatunde Fashola SAN claimed there is no feasible end gains for educating those kids. But see where we are today.

Lagos State Governor, Babatunde Fashola, says the Almajiri schools being established by the Peoples Democratic Party-led Federal Government in the northern part of the country have no feasible end gains.

Fashola said this at an event on Thursday ─ Support Our Schools Breakfast Meeting with the Governor─ held at the City Hall on the Lagos Island.

The governor explained that the purpose of training someone was for the person to be able to use the knowledge gained and the skills acquired to his benefit and the good of society.

https://www.nairaland.com/2193613/no-gains-almajiri-schools-graduates

Why can't he just be bold enough to mention Atiku's names?

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
If you arrest a suspect the law said you charge him to court. Is the guy carrying assault rifle? Was he not unarmed?

You sincerely think Nigeria is a place where the law reigns supreme?

Segedinho:
https://dailytrust.com/breaking-security-operative-captured-gunning-down-protester/


This is what a news outlet said concerning it........

But the video itself is kinda to gory,wheda criminal or not,executing him at the sight of children ain't a wise decision

I agree with u that executing him in broad daylight is a wrong move that may trigger further violence .

But just like I thought, the victim is probably not a law abiding citizen. Nigerian armed forces have a very short fuse; na small Dey make dem vex and go on a killing spray. If u are unfortunate that ur parents’ name does not ring a bell and u challenge them openly , na ur loss

A resident of Azare, who did not want his name in print, told Daily Trust that the deceased was one of the hoodlums arrested by the police, but this newspaper could not independently verify this claim at the time of filing this report.

Segedinho:
Jeeeeez.

Nigerian police up north 🥺🥺🥺

Viewers discretion.

Viewers discretion is advised: Video has surfaced showing a police officer executing a teenage boy in Azare, execution style.

This is what Tinubu has authorised the force to do to Northerners.

Heart wrenching!

pic.twitter.com/QbJqMwirq0

— DEMAGOGUE PhD.💘senior advocat (@von_Bismack) August 5, 2024

Hmmmm... To be fair, this video looks like a calculated attempt to rile the people up against the government.

For starters, the video cannot be authenticated. Nobody can confirm if that was a recent incident or an old video. Nobody knows whether the person shot in that video is a criminal or law abiding citizen.

I am not a person to give excuse for Nigerian police's excesses neither do I support police brutality (Because I've once been a victim), but sometimes there's danger in making judgment from a few seconds video.

When I was in school, a cultist killed a fellow cultist and decided to escape on bike. The indigenes gave him a pursuit that lasted about 6 to 7 bus stops till the killer cultist jam traffic. He began shooting sporadically till he was out of bullet and the mob descended on him.

The joint police and soldier men on patrol tried to intervene by asking what was the cause of disturbance of paublic peace. Immediately the security operatives heard what crime he had committed, one of them just drew his weapon and unalived him right there. They picked up his corpse and that of his victim on their way and that was the end.

If that shooting was caught on camera and it lasted just few seconds, I'm sure a lot of human rights groups and societies will be making a lot of noise about an innocent and defenseless man getting shot at close range without fair trial.

Whatever the case may be as per the intention of the video, I believe the people that published it this period are achieving their aim going by the comments under the video

GloriousGbola:
talk to people who served in the north.

my cousin was thee in the 2000s.

stark impoverished illiterates telling him - we are the ones ruling you - that was what was most important to them

it is the same reason tinubu strategically selected his vice. because this is what matters to that electorate.

the difference my be that , according to kperogi, their clerics have lost control of the narrative and are no longer the thought leaders of influences

I also served in the north and sometimes I feel we just stereotype all northerners as being one and same in the way they think.

I've conversed with northerners who see beyond religion and cultural garb, some of them are no different from we southerners that consider ourselves liberal.

The general rise in Banditary and Boko Haram has affected a lot of things in the north. Nigeria-Niger Boarder closure was more like an assault on their windpipe. If u say this protest in the north is sponsored by some of the northern businessmen who suffered from Nigeria's grandstanding, I won't say it is far from the truth. But we also need to know that the common man/farmer who sells to the big men businessmen trading across the border was also unable to feed himself and his family while the boarder was closed.

It's just a case of anger jam anger

GloriousGbola:
i said before that the protests n the north are not about hunger. the north has always been poor and until recently they have all been content with that. the protest are about restriction of their ogas at the top from the national cake - their God given right.

the northerner on the street is more happy about - we are the ones ruling you - than he is about his quality if life

I don’t agree with this school of thought.

Yes, there’s always been poverty in the north and there’s been hardship but no hardship ever touch them like this.

Do u know what the Nigeria/Niger border did to their economy in the north? Those people saw shege all because Tinubu moved for the closure of boarder as ECOWAS chairman.

When Tinubu talked about making a rotten situation bad, that was what he did to the northern economy . That’s why they came on TV begging and pleading for Tinubu to open the boarder back then.

liveLongNprospa:
The people doing this to him in the north know that 2027 is a long time and I believe they have it planned.

The main issue here is unlike then when the north was doing this same thing to OBJ and GEJ, the economy is in terrible state and people are really really suffering. So the anger is genuine also.
For the SW angle, I think the ronu cry (which before election happened was actually a good thing) has actually driven a serious wedge between him and people down south. So while he might have done things for the SW, the suffering will still be a problem.
There's a reason atiku highlighted the #igbomustgo campaign and link it to lagos, baba doesn't care about the ronu and he has brought them to spotlight for others to talk about them. Na why LASG quickly dissociate from them (even though alot of SSA's dey follow the particular account on twitter).
So yes, whatever he is gaining in the SW, he is losing elsewhere.

But if he is banking on the relationship with the SS and SE, he is joking.
He needs the north even more now.

lolz 😂

When u talk about Nigeria like this , one would think it is a normal country that has a vast majority of its citizens being the rational type .

It only takes a sprinkle of a few billions of Naira and Tinubu will coast to victory in 2027 as expected .

There’s nothing happening in the north now that will shake Tinubu’s reelection . Northerners will still vote for him once he finds a way to sort their leaders . People like Ndume that appears to be mudslinging Tinubu now will sing “on ur mandate we shall stand “ when Tinubu finally reaches out to him.

Love him or hate him, Tinubu knows the kind of people he’s dealing with in different parts of this country and he has successfully hacked the game. Last 2 weeks Dangote was all over the place talking about cabals, those importing bad fuel trying to take him out, blah blah.

This week Dangote has gotten himself a bargain and he’s no longer singing like a bird. The house of assembly has also dropped investigation into imported bad fuel . Today everybody is happy; Mele Kyari still has his job, the NMDPRA boss still has his job and Dangote finally gets what he wants . Where is the common man’s wants in all of this ?

Taguchi:
To be fair to him, I have a couple of folks that studied and currently work in Moscow and none has ever complained of racism to me, one complained slightly about the language

On the other hand , a Sudanese friend was telling me quite recently that his brother that is studying medicine in Russia wants to rejapa to the UK due to serious Racism and wants to switch to engineering ( so I no know wether na real racism abi the course don overwhelm am )

I have not been to Russia yet, but I don't think Russia is bad as being protrayed here, tho definitely not as favourable as the west.

I wasn’t doing any comparison with him sha . He’s the one that made an assertion which his own link has later confirmed to be u true .

I’ve not been to any of the countries , I was just surprised to read Moscow is better than most western cities and capitals .

obainojazz:
I know someone that schooled in St Petersburg… moved to Melbourne and will tell you Petersburg don’t compare.

But trust expert Nigerians

Nairaland na really agendaland.

Amigoss:
Moscow ranked 4th in The World's 100 Best Cities ranking, compiled by the consulting company Resonance Consultancy based on tourist attractiveness, good living, working and business conditions, Deputy Mayor Natalya Sergunina said on Tuesday.

London is at the top of the list, Paris is second, and New York City is third on the list. Dubai trails Moscow by one spot and is placed 5th.

"Just like last year, Moscow placed 4th among other big cities for life, work and travel. The rating looks at many aspects. International experts evaluate not only economic opportunities or cultural aspects, but they also analyze how well the city is developing. We once again maintained our leading position, ahead of strong rivals, like Tokyo, Dubai, Singapore, Barcelona and Los Angeles," said Sergunina.


https://en.ac-mos.ru/news/1069/

Your original post reads : Moscow and st Petersburg better most western cities and capital. In order to justify that claim, you brought a report that rated 3 western cities ahead of Moscow .


So we can jolly well say ur initial post was an exaggeration/wishful thinking on ur part

Amigoss:
Moscow and st Petersburg better most western cities and capital...lmao,no be paris don dey in ruins and become shithole

Based on what specific metrics?

liveLongNprospa:
Incase you wonder why Igbos are very loud about their issues, this is why.

How did an isiagu wearing 'igbo' man find his way to kano to represent the protesters and deliver the demands of the protesters (look at the last picture😂).

Don't forget the emir position in kano is still being contested between 2 emirs and yet you are framing an Igbo man as taking such sides😂.

God is good🙏

This ur question is somehow . There are thousands of Igbos living in the north; Kano in particular . These igbos have associations and it is possible the man in the picture is one of the leaders showing his support for Bayero as the Emir.

You may have other Igbo market leaders in the city taking the other side . It’s normal that foreigners will take side with a faction of their host over another .

I don’t think anybody is framing anybody here. Except you have evidence that suggest the man is not igbo and not known amongst Igbos in Kano

APC through Buhari ran this nation aground for 8 good bad years. Tinubu got there and compounded our woes .

APC supporters naturally don’t have shame and that’s what explains them trying to rewrite history and finger every past leader in the show of shame APC’s 9 years of governance has been thus far.

Every important metric has shown APC’s government has been terrible at managing the affairs of a plural society like Nigeria . Under APC tribal politics has taken the center stage , There’s general dissatisfaction with government policies , there are countless government policies and programmes that do not translate to success in real life , continuous government borrowings that do not benefit the common man, government’s promise and fail ; in fact people now think disappointment is now one of the constant characteristics of a government in power.

They can keep claiming OBJ didn’t do anything , Tinubu is the best thing that ever happened to Naija…. Blah blah….. But the scores of videos of elderly people who lived through various administration which we’ve been seeing on the internet recently shows propaganda is different from reality .

Why do they keep throwing money at non-money problems?

This same Eti-Osa LCDA chairman was the one that arranged for touts during the 2023 general election just to force people to vote APC .

raumdeuter:
Make we enter Kano tomorrow morning. We get Governors consent to protest and burn shift down

Carryon , I am behind u.

Unlimited22:
If you deep it, not a single person on this board really supported these 'protests' because the narrative had been controlled from the day it was announced.

Apart from maybe donjazzet, if I'm not mistaken.

As I have stated several times, I'm just glad that the violence didn't happen in Lagos or some people would have gladly used the chance for some more ethnic baiting.


The problem is that some people also supported a government that have turned out to be tone deaf and insensitive, along with being inept and incompetent.

But you see these 'protests'? No be the real one be this. Them no dey announce protest.
Just go and ask William Ruto or Nicholas Maduro.

Anybody that didn’t learn from the evil that happened on October 20, 2020 when the government killed its citizens , such person cannot learn again .

A government that allowed for cameras to be disabled before soldiers started using citizens for target-practice ….🤦‍♂️

If u go join protest and dem shoot u, Benjamin Hudeyin will gleefully refer to u as “Hoodlum “