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freshboi88:
So who are u then to criticize and do his job for him??

I am not doing His job. I am only following His Words. If you can provide evidences that He specifically asked us to make images of Mary and bow down to them, then, I will rest my case.

freshboi88:
Yes...but wen he bowed bfre d Ark was it d wood or d cherubim he worshipped??
Y would God take up presence in an image??

Because He is God. Who can question His ways.

freshboi88, I don't know what point you are trying to make. But comparing your idols to the Ark of the Covenant is a serous insult.

freshboi88:
When Joshua bowed down was he worshipping the Ark, if he was isn't that idolatry??

He was not worshipping the chest but God Almighty. God's throne was the very cover of the Ark. It was the atonement cover or "mercy seat".

freshboi88:
It symbolized....gbam.....y would Joshua bow bfre an image that symbolizes d presence of God.....who told him to??....were in scripture did he read that from.??....come and ansa don't run away...don't tell me u r choked up o ur lies from d pit of hell

The Ark embodied God Almighty.

He and all his men went to Baalah in Judah to bring up from there the ark of God, which is called by the Name, the name of the LORD Almighty, who is enthroned between the cherubim on the ark. (2 Samuel 6:2)

And if I may ask, where is even the Ark today?

freshboi88:
It symbolized....gbam.....y would Joshua bow bfre an image that symbolizes d presence of God.....who told him to??....were in scripture did he read that from.??....come and ansa don't run away...don't tell me u r choked up o ur lies from d pit of hell

I see. So, Mary is now in the same league with God. If the Ark was bowed down to, then the image of Mary should be bowed down to also. May God save you from your ignorance.

freshboi88:
I laugh at this point, d ark had images on it, y did Joshua bow bfre d ark.....who told him to bow bfre an ark made by man that had images of winged creatures

The Ark symbolized God's presence. I am disappointed that you should use the Ark as an excuse for bowing down to the image of a mortal. Fine, the Ark was made by man but it symbolized the presence of God. It was sacred.

freshboi88:
Pls show me were God instructed Solomon to build images in his Sanctuary??

Bro, I asked "who told you to bow down to images?"

Did Solomon create those images to bow down to them? My question since yesterday has been: "who told you to bow down to images?" I can't remember ever asking about the images in your church buildings.

freshboi88:
The Ark had images on it abi u no know, plus d ark was man made, e no fall from sky...so if Joshua bowed bfre d ark was he worshipping the ark??

The Bible was also written by Man. It didn't fall from heaven.

freshboi88:
Read Joshua 7:6....who told Joshua to bow down bfre d Ark

Stop using the Ark as an excuse. You people should stop embarrassing yourselves. Do you want to compare your useless images to the Ark? The Ark was associated with God's presence. Can the same be said of your images? If yes, provide Biblical evidences.

freshboi88:
Lolzzzz.......did u read 1kings 6: 23 -37, wen u do come back

God was well-aware. It was His instruction. As for yours, show us evidence that Mary should be bowed down to.

freshboi88:
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den ur contradicting urself.....no matter how intelligent, u can never defend a stupid idea n still appear intelligent. U hve been saying who asked us to bow down to Jesus n Marys image....

First of all bowing down doesn't connot worship only. Sometimes Yes, but not in all cases. People have bowed down to kings and queens n even govs and pple in high positions, oda kneel, odas lie on d floor flat...like d Yoruba's.... Do all these connote worship??

Read joshua 7: 6..lemme c wht u mke of it

Only God can make rules and break them. But you mere mortals, who told you to bow down to images? Or are you now comparing yourselves to God?

freshboi88:
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den ur contradicting urself.....no matter how intelligent, u can never defend a stupid idea n still appear intelligent. U hve been saying who asked us to bow down to Jesus n Marys image....

First of all bowing down doesn't connot worship only. Sometimes Yes, but not in all cases. People have bowed down to kings and queens n even govs and pple in high positions, oda kneel, odas lie on d floor flat...like d Yoruba's.... Do all these connote worship??

Read joshua 7: 6..lemme c wht u mke of it

How am I contradicting myself?

And bowing down to kings is "giving to Caesar". The Bible asks us to respect our leaders.

But the same cannot be expected of us in a religious setting. It would amount to idolatry. Jesus asks the disciples not to be like the princes of the Gentiles. But look at the Catholic Church and see how the leaders behave like the rulers of the world.

freshboi88:
I thought u pple claim Mary had other children....

Yes, she had other children.

Cuteimma1:
you again!!! And you will make heaven while catholics won't.

Yes, if they don't repent.

NgcoboP:
Next time you insult people here I will...

When did she insult anyone

Mztarstrechy:
As shared by human rights lawyer Emeka Ugwuonye....

'HAPPENING RIGHT NOW: WOMAN BATTERED BY HUSBAN ON THEIR WAY TO CHURCH

Just read the screenshots. It started on their way to the house of the God for worship. Most men who abuse their wives are devout Christians. They quote from the bible a lot. The lady was initially reluctant to authorize that i publish the pictures. But she finally authorized that post the picture. Read for yourself'

Source: http://www.trezzyhelm.com/2017/10/woman-battered-by-her-husband-on-their.html?m=1

Too bad.

But madam, this fraudulent lawyer will do you worse things than your husband.

Greenrevolt:
BluntBoy you have solidly thrashed all the roaming catholics that came against you. Pls can you throw more light on what you think to be true on the Woman called Mary? If one is to be advised to join a church of true Christians who solely abide by the word of the God. Which church will you suggest for me? Do I even need to go to church anymore??

The woman called Mary was the woman used to bring Jesus into the world. She served her purpose but it is the purpose for which Jesus came that is expected to take preeminence in our minds. The Bible said God sent His only Begotten Son. Our concern is Christ. Mary would always be remembered as the vessel used to perform this rare case of unconditional love. Our minds should dwell on the sacrifices of Christ, not on how He came into the world. The foundation of Christianity is the New Testament wrought by the sacrifices of Christ, not of Mary or of the Apostles. Jesus was not anymore concerned about Mary as He was about those who walked before God. He was selfless and His sacrifices and unconditional love should be our only considerations, not who bore Him.

About what Church to attend, I am sorry to say that I know of none. Churches have become corporate organizations with flashy pastors as CEOs. These Churches own businesses ranging from publishing houses to universities. Their owners (senior pastors, superintendents, bishops) live the lives of kings, cruising in expensive jets in a country where millions survive on below a dollar per day. These pastors preach terrible doctrines and milk their congregations dry. They are thieves and con men who promise followers divine healing in exchange for seed sowing. These pastors bear strange titles that elevate them above the other sheep and they claim to possess special anointing when the Bible was clear that all saints have been anointed and are thus priests.

In summary, I don't know any Church. All I see are large organizations with motivational speakers and con men claiming to be accountable only to God.

As to whether you should stop going to "church", there is nowhere in the Bible that says you will burn in hell for not going to "church".

As a matter of fact, Jesus placed more emphasis on personal relationship with God. Read this verse:

But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. (Matthew 6:6)

Then, read what James calls the religion that God sees as the truest:

Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world. (James 1:27)

God bless!!

Andy2274:
. Haaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaa! You are just confusing yourself. Who made you Judge over your fellow brethren? Like your last statement...When God comes, the truth shall be revealed. Why not wait for that time and focus on your own salvation? The Catholic Church is evil....ehhh leave us. We worship Idol...leave us let God be the judge. My prayers is for you not to get high blood pressure because of this issue. Mind you you cannot convert a fly with this your attack. You comment on this topic up till past 12 midnight yesterday and you are at it today. Even the bloggers have forgotten about this post that you want to commit suicide for. Guy chill fight for your salvation because men that are greater than you, intelligent than you and wiser than you have fought the Catholic Church because of this issue but did not win talk more of you. GLORY TO JESUS CHRIST AND HONOUR TO MARY!

But it was you that mentioned me and thus brought back to the thread.

massinola:
[quote author=BluntBoy pos

The Bible said we should never bow down to idols. Your church encourages people to bow down to idols. Your church has over a billion members. These members are being led astray. The Antichrist would lead many astray. Would deceive, if possible, even the elect. The Catholic Church is that Antichrist. She has strong influence on world politics and economies just as the Bible predicted. The Catholic Church is the Antichrist leading many of you astray. [/quote

Never wanted to glorify you by quoting you but defending my faith won't be glorifying you. For the records, we don't worship Mary, we honour her. What you don't know, ask questions before blaspheming.

5 Facts to Ignore Before Accusing Catholics of “Mary Worship”
GARY ZIMAK
Mary Worship
I love the Blessed Mother! There…I said it and I’m glad I did! As a Catholic, I’m so blessed to be a member of the Church that truly honors and respects the Mother of my Lord and Savior. I must admit that, even though I’m a cradle Catholic, I didn’t always feel this way. In fact, for most of my life I didn’t understand Mary’s role or care about her too much. What a mistake! Now, after several recent accusations of “Mary worship” on my Facebook page, it’s time to stand up for my “Mom”. And, even though I love her and want to defend her honor, I have no intention of getting nasty. Rather, I’d prefer to present 5 facts about Mary. Before you accuse Catholics of worshiping Mary, I ask you to take a long hard look at these facts. They have a way of poking holes in the theory that we place too much emphasis on Mary. If you still want to accuse Catholics of worshiping Mary, then I suggest you ignore these facts!

1. God Sent The Savior Through Mary – I list this one first because it’s really tough to downplay Mary’s importance while acknowledging that the long awaiting Messiah came to earth by being born of a woman…and that woman was Mary. Out of all the ways that Jesus could have come to earth, why was Mary chosen? If Mary was important to God, shouldn’t she mean something to us?

2. Jesus Performed His First Miracle At Mary’s Request – This is another good one. Oh I know, Jesus didn’t need Mary to turn the water into wine at Cana. She just happened to be there. OK, why then did St. John list Mary FIRST in his list of wedding guests?

On the third day there was a marriage at Cana in Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there; Jesus also was invited to the marriage with His disciples. (John 2:1-2)


If Mary is not important in this saga, why is she listed BEFORE the apostles and BEFORE Jesus? St. John the Evangelist was not known for inserting extraneous details. Mary is listed first because John wants to call the readers’ attention to her presence at the wedding.

But what about “the rebuke”? You know, the argument that Jesus was telling Mary to “butt out” when He stated:

“O woman, what have you to do with me? My hour has not yet come.” (John 2:4)

Jesus was a devout Jew and an obedient follower of the Ten Commandments. Why would He publicly dishonor His mother in violation of the Fourth Commandment? Secondly, if this was such a “put down” by Jesus, why did He go ahead and perform the miracle of changing water into wine? Wouldn’t that have been the end of the request. Of course it would, unless He wasn’t putting Mary down. When His mother interceded on behalf of the couple, Our Lord decided that His time had now come. Don’t you think Jesus is trying to tell us something? Isn’t is probable that Jesus waited until Mary’s request, in order to show us her intercessory power? Doesn’t that explain why St. John listed her first among the guests?

3. Jesus Gave Mary To John From The Cross – As He suffered and died on the Cross, Jesus made a very profound statement:

When Jesus saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing near, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home. (John 19:26-27)

Why, while struggling to speak as He hung on the Cross, would Jesus have spoken these words if they didn’t mean anything? Could He have been making small talk? Obviously, there was a reason that Our Lord did what He did. The Church has always believed that John represented each member of the Church and that, from that moment on, Mary became our spiritual mother. Scripture tells us that, on that day John accepted Jesus’ gift and “took her to his own home” (John 19:27). Shouldn’t we do the same?

4. Jesus’ First Graces Were Given Through Mary – This is a fact that frequently gets overlooked by those who wish to downplay Mary’s importance…and it comes straight from the Bible! After accepting God’s offer to become the Mother of the Savior, Mary traveled “in haste” to visit her relative, Elizabeth.

And when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the child leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. (Luke 1:41)

According to this Bible passage, before Jesus was even born, Mary’s voice was used to deliver the graces to Elizabeth. Why? Because she’s not important? Isn’t there some other way, these graces could have been dispensed?

Not convinced? Listen to what Elizabeth had to say (also directly from the Bible)…

“For behold, when the voice of your greeting came to my ears, the child in my womb leaped for joy.” (Luke 1:44)

It’s pretty hard to deny the importance of Mary’s presence and voice in dispensing these graces to Elizabeth. Did the graces originate from Mary? No, they obviously came from Jesus. However, He chose to have Mary make the journey and use her voice to deliver them. Why? Because He wants us to realize that she is important!

5. Jesus Christ Is The Sole Mediator Between God And Man – Now, this doesn’t make sense. How does this help to support the Catholic position? This is why we Catholics “have it all wrong”, isn’t it? Sorry if I’m bursting anyone’s bubble, but Catholics absolutely believe that Jesus Christ is the sole mediator between God and man. The Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) clearly states this belief:

Intercession is a prayer of petition which leads us to pray as Jesus did. He is the one intercessor with the Father on behalf of all men, especially sinners. (CCC 2634)

This Catholic teaching is supported by the following Bible passage:

For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself as a ransom for all. (1 Timothy 2:5-6)

Although Jesus Christ is the sole mediator between God and man, that doesn’t preclude others (including Mary) from being involved in a subordinate mediation, or intercession. Saint Paul, who made the above statement, is obviously aware of that fact since he several times urges his readers to pray for each other (Romans 1:9, 1 Thessalonians 5:25, 1 Timothy 2:1). The Catechism refers to this type of intercession as being a “participation in the intercession of Christ” (CCC 2635) and is put into practice each time we pray for one another. Asking Mary to intercede for us in no way takes away from Jesus’ role as mediator between God and men.

While I’m not naive enough to think that listing these 5 facts will render me immune from further accusations of “Mary worship”, I do think that they will have an effect if looked at with an open mind. Sacred Scripture does not contain a lot of words about Mary, but what’s there is powerful. Theologians have spent 2,000 years studying her Biblical appearances and will continue to do so. We can learn much by studying Mary’s role as documented in the pages of the Bible. If anyone wants to accuse me of being a “Mary worshiper”, I ask you to first look at these 5 facts. If you still want to point a finger, you’ll need to ignore these factual statements…because accepting them will seriously undermine your credibility!

Please, just show me where in the Bible it was said that we should worship/honor Mary?

And, read these Bible verses:

"While Jesus was saying these things, one of the women in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, "Blessed is the womb that bore You and the breasts at which You nursed."

But He said, "On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it."" Luke 11:27-28

@ massinola, Jesus handed Mary over to the disciple He loved because Mary was poor and was soon going to lose a son. She had probably lost Joseph and was already a widow, a poor widow. The text is just as simple as that. And it was evidence of Jesus's love. Even while dying, he made preparations for lessening Mary's grief. Nothing more to that.

nairanaira12:
Upon all your empty rants, no single evidence from the Bible? I spit on you, empty fol.

Why don't you provide evidence that Mary should be worshipped?

The Roman Catholic Church is evil. This evil church persecuted the real Christians in the past. This evil Church killed the likes of Tyndale, Wycliffe for daring to translate the Bible into the common people's language. Many other Christians like Rogers and Hus were also killed. King James IV and V (of the King James Version fame) was almost assassinated. What were the crimes of these men and other Christians that were persecuted by the evil Catholic Church?

nairanaira12:
You keep on saying this shiit without having single biblical evidence, quote that part of the Bible that says that, you atheist idiot.

Stop bowing down to graven images. Don't say I did not warn you. God's position about idolatry is explicit enough. You are asking for proof. What proof do you need to believe the Catholic Church is evil?

You do so many things contrary to what is expected of good Christians. I don't know why you must worship mortals like yourself when the Bible made it clear that worship belonged to God only. He is a jealous God. Stop bowing down to images. Mary is dead and gone, having served her purpose here on earth. The Apostles are gone too. But Jesus is alive and only through Him should you seek God. He is our only mediator. When He was leaving earth, He didn't leave us in the hands of Mary. He promised to send the Holy Spirit.

doyinbaby:
gbam.....your head dey there.....Mary is dead and long gone
......don't mind all these deluded Mary worshippers....they are difficult to convince

My sister, these people will worship anything associated with Jesus. Tell them you have pieces from the cross on which Jesus was crucified and they would readily worship it and proclaim it a sacred object. This sort of paganism in Christianity is absolutely embarrassing to say the least.

nairanaira12:
I discover you are an atheist. You don't deserve any response from reasonable people.

I am a Christian. I am not here to condemn you but to condemn your pagan traditions.

nairanaira12:
Give biblical evidence, if not, you are an idiot

The Bible said we should never bow down to idols. Your church encourages people to bow down to idols. Your church has over a billion members. These members are being led astray. The Antichrist would lead many astray. Would deceive, if possible, even the elect. The Catholic Church is that Antichrist. She has strong influence on world politics and economies just as the Bible predicted. The Catholic Church is the Antichrist leading many of you astray.

nairanaira12:
If you are not an idiot, you will give biblical evidences to the things you are saying.

And I'm not your brother, ok? I have no fellowship with fools and fault finders, who feel abusing Catholics is what will take them to heaven.

Even if you must abuse catholics, give biblical evidence, and not what you feel or think, you cursed idiot.

Are you sincerely asking me to show evidence of the evil of idol worshipping

nairanaira12:
Show evidence, you idiot.

Lawlessness. One of such, is bowing down to idols, which clearly goes against God's expectations.

nairanaira12:
Show evidence, you idiot.

The truth is bitter, my brother. How they have managed to blind you with their paganism is what I don't understand. Don't you people have personal Bibles?

But then, it also doesn't surprise me. The Bible said the Antichrist will deceive, if possible, even the elect.

ElsonMorali:
Your opinion. Unfortunately it's wrong.

I am right.

WORLDPEACE:
What is the antichrist and how do you know the Roman Catholic Church is?

The Antichrist is the false Christ. The man of lawlessness. That is the Roman Catholic Church.

Neymar1095:
Think about the story from the outside.

God sacrificed....himself....to himself...to save us....from himself.

How can people be Stupid in this 21st century.

Bro, the Roman Catholic Church is to blame for the confusion.