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IamWonderful:
You are still chasing shadows and dwelling on speculation to soothe and promote your lies further. Even if either alcoholic or otherwise, wine is forbidden by God Himself

Yes, I know.
God Also Forbade Vine Grapes..
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But Jesus Himself didn't forbid wine.
He drank wine well well, and even promised his disciples a better wine in paradise.
In fact, he told his disciples to always drink wine and eat bread together in remembrance of him.

IamWonderful:
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Numbers 6:3
3 He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.
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Deuteronomy 14:26
26. And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,....
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God Commanded you not to eat moist grapes or dried.. That means, grapes are also prohibited.
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God Commanded you to use “that” money to buy what your soul lusts after - including wine and strong drink.. Which money is the passage referring to? Answer: Your Tithe Money.

IamWonderful:
You don't know what you are saying, is all wine alcoholic? you are bereft of ideas and simply mischievous. Using Bible to justify your claims is lack of understanding.

The Jews that lived during the time of Jesus knew only how to produce the Natural Wine with Vine Grapes, which is a Naturally Occurring Alcoholic Fluid..
If Jesus Drank Grape-Juice which was made from the Vine Grapes, it would be stated as Grape-Juice in the Bible. (But Grape-Juice is very difficult to get and stored in its Non-Alcoholic form using natural processes, just the way it is very difficult to get and store Cashew-Juice or Soursop-Juice from natural processes.)
The production of Non-Alcoholic Wine from Vine Grapes is a more complicated process (and is done with some technologies that was invented during the medieval times).

(Even the so-called Non-Alcoholic Wine, once it is uncorked, begins to turn alcoholic after some hours - then, imagine the Jews who never had the technology produce the Non-Alcoholic wine in the first place, not to talk of having the technological means of preserving it).
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So, in replying you, I have to be simple.
During the time of Jesus, they drank the natural wine from Vine Grapes which is a naturally occurring Alcoholic wine.
If the wine was not Alcoholic, then the Pharisees wouldn't have complained about it.
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Stop Saying Anything about Non-Alcoholic Wine here. That Non-Alcoholic Wine you're referring to is a recently developed artificial wine

madmohamed:
ask Aisha Yusuf she will no better

The morning is too fresh and young for this kind of laughter.

BluntCrazeMan:
IS ALCOHOL PROHIBITED IN CHRISTIANITY?
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Some people would always come to the defence of Hisbah’s destruction of millions of Alcoholic Beverages by asking the question: “Is Alcohol NOT Prohibited In Christianity?”
And such people would always end their taunting questions by adding: “Go and STUDY your Bible”...
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My Answer to such question is very simple....

Alcohol is NOT Prohibited in Christianity.
1st Timothy 5:23 
and Ecclesiastes 9:7..
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What is prohibited in Christianity is:
“Getting Drunk”
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For someone to get drunk, he had to take excess alcohol way beyond his brain-carrying capacity.
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And this brings us back to the Bible again, where the Bible condemned Honey in a way.
Something that is as good as Honey, the Bible warns us not to take it too much.
Proverbs 25:16.
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What Christianity is preaching is That: “Too Much of Everything Is Bad.”
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Too Much of Food Is Bad.
Too Much of Water Is Bad.
Too Much of Salt Is Bad.
Too Much of Sugar Is Bad.
Too Much of Religion Is Bad.
Too Much of Spirituality Is Bad.
Too Much of Fanaticism Is Bad.
Too Much of Biased Thinking Is Bad.
Too Much of Dependent Thinking Is Bad.
Too Much of Independent Thinking Is Bad.
Too Much of Brainwashed Thinking Is Bad.
Too Much of Free thinking Is Bad.
Too Much of Blunt Truths Is Bad.
Too Much of Sugar-coated Truths Is Bad.
Too Much of Srtictness Is Bad.
Too Much of Straightness Is Bad.
Too Much of Laughter Is Bad.
Too Much of Riches Is Bad.
Too Much of Wealth Is Bad.
Too Much of Poverty Is Bad.
Too Much of Gold Is Bad.
Too Much of Longevity Is Bad.
Too Much of Talking Is Bad.
Too Much of Silence Is Bad.
Too Much of Loudness Is Bad.
Too Much of Dancing Is Bad.
Too Much of Singing Is Bad.
Too Much of Observations Is Bad.
Too Much of Intervention Is Bad.
Too Much of Intrusion Is Bad.
Too Much of Minding Your Business Is Bad.

Too Much of Everything is bad..
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In the meantime, I need some replies to these five situations.
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1. (Sincerity)
If you were in your brother’s house, and he happened to step out to get something from his neighbour's house and coincidentally, kidnappers came to the house looking for him with their daggers shinning, (and they came for him and nobody else), since you know where your brother was at that very moment, what will you tell the kidnappers?
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2a. (Humility)
If you were given ₦300,000 as an advance payment for a job of ₦1,000,000 so that you can mobilise yourself and start the job; and after you did the job halfway, you were given another ₦200,000; then after you finished the job, you were balanced only ₦200,000; instead of ₦500,000 which was remaining. You asked them why they did that, and they said that they are not owing you anything, and that if you don't like what they balanced you, then you can do your worst. What will you do in this situation?
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2b. (Humility)
If someone who is old enough to be your son got newly posted to your desk, and he is also some ranks below you in your office, but he is related to your immediate boss (not related to the overall boss though), and for the fact that if you do anything bad to the new officer your boss would also get offended, you now transferred part of the respect you have for your boss to the new junior younger officer. But the new officer has an attitude problem, and as time went on, things had turned bad between you and him, and he talks to you anyhow and even threatens you sometimes that if you do anything to him, his uncle will hear about it. What will you do in this situation?
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3. (Kindness)
If you see someone who needed help, and you looked at yourself and discovered that you don't have the resources to help the person, but since you have judged that the person needed the help, you really wanted to help him. So you went and borrowed some resources in order to render the help. But just at the moment you wanted to render the help, you discovered that the whole thing is a scam, but then, you have already gone very far with the whole process of initiating the help. If you stop the process, both you and the person will loose. If you complete the process, the person will gain from the help and then disappear, and you will still have to pay back the resources you earlier borrowed. What will you do in this situation?
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4. (Prayers)
If it happened that highway robbers tried to stop a bus that you were travelling with and the driver headed into the bush in order to avoid them; and somewhere inside the bush he stopped and opened the bus and told the passengers to run for safety. Then coincidentally, it happened that the time when everybody were running around to find safety was also the exact time for prayers. The running happened for up to Five-Solid-Hours. What will you do in such a situation since the exact time of prayers had passed??

orisa37:
No.

It's Dictatorship Tribalism and ISLAMISATION in a DEMOCRACY

Who should we ask for the confirmation of this statement of yours??

Mikecold:
Taqiya

This does not invalidate the fact that Nigeria was created as a secular state, not for both religion to govern it by their laws.

There are traditional worshippers which is the oldest set of religious belief in this country and they drink alcohol

Yes too much of everything is bad but you shouldn't be the one to force another man the extent to drink in his body

In fact,, I support your whole arguments..
All your points are logically valid.

SouthNigerian:
Nigeria is a Secular State like the United States, United Kingdom and others.

Just that our dwarf brain leaders are making us appear like a religion country.

Religion in this country have so much crippled our sense of reasoning and productivities.

Even though we are a secular state, you will discover that most of the Laws have strong religious undertones - especially all these laws we call “State Laws”..

Jerryherd:
First Answer; arrest of criminals can be done by anybody for crimes committed (state police, local police , agency etc) however only constitutionally approved agency of Government can prosecute such crime in court

For example LASMA a Lagos state agency like Hisbah Kano State agency can arrest and impound your car for traffic violation just as Hisbah seizes Alcohol in Kano

Second Answer; yes Prohibition of Alcohol, and establishment of Hisbah is a Law and ACT passed by Kano State Legislature and State Government, and it is Gazzeted as Kano law bidding to all residents

(@1st-bolded-statement) Lagos State LASTMA arrests or impound vehicles and hand over to the State Government. Kano State Hisbah Seizes Alcohol and destroys them straightaway...
Were they given such express authorities by the Kano State Laws?

(@2nd-bolded-statement) I understand it better now.
At least, it is very clear to me now that Alcoholic drinks were destroyed in Kano State because of a Kano State Law which is supposed to be binding on all citizens and residents, and not because of Sharia Law which is meant only for Muslims.

Thanks for the enlightenment.!!

Jerryherd:
Sharia Law doesn't cover non Muslim, however State law on ban or regulation of alcohol is binding to all residents

First Question: Why would the Hisbah Police be the ones destroying Alcoholic drinks of Non-Muslims, instead of the State Police or the Nigerian Police, since it was supposed to be a State Law??

Second Question: Was there actually a State Law in Kano State of Nigeria, which banned or regulated the use of Alcohol?

IS ALCOHOL PROHIBITED IN CHRISTIANITY?
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Some people would always come to the defence of Hisbah’s destruction of millions of Alcoholic Beverages by asking the question: “Is Alcohol NOT Prohibited In Christianity?”
And such people would always end their taunting questions by adding: “Go and STUDY your Bible”...
..

My Answer to such question is very simple....

Alcohol is NOT Prohibited in Christianity.
1st Timothy 5:23 
and Ecclesiastes 9:7..
..
What is prohibited in Christianity is:
“Getting Drunk”
..
For someone to get drunk, he had to take excess alcohol way beyond his brain-carrying capacity.
..
And this brings us back to the Bible again, where the Bible condemned Honey in a way.
Something that is as good as Honey, the Bible warns us not to take it too much.
Proverbs 25:16.
..
What Christianity is preaching is That: “Too Much of Everything Is Bad.”
..
Too Much of Food Is Bad.
Too Much of Water Is Bad.
Too Much of Salt Is Bad.
Too Much of Sugar Is Bad.
Too Much of Religion Is Bad.
Too Much of Spirituality Is Bad.
Too Much of Fanaticism Is Bad.
Too Much of Biased Thinking Is Bad.
Too Much of Dependent Thinking Is Bad.
Too Much of Independent Thinking Is Bad.
Too Much of Brainwashed Thinking Is Bad.
Too Much of Free thinking Is Bad.
Too Much of Blunt Truths Is Bad.
Too Much of Sugar-coated Truths Is Bad.
Too Much of Srtictness Is Bad.
Too Much of Straightness Is Bad.
Too Much of Laughter Is Bad.
Too Much of Riches Is Bad.
Too Much of Wealth Is Bad.
Too Much of Poverty Is Bad.
Too Much of Gold Is Bad.
Too Much of Longevity Is Bad.
Too Much of Talking Is Bad.
Too Much of Silence Is Bad.
Too Much of Loudness Is Bad.
Too Much of Dancing Is Bad.
Too Much of Singing Is Bad.
Too Much of Observations Is Bad.
Too Much of Intervention Is Bad.
Too Much of Intrusion Is Bad.
Too Much of Minding Your Business Is Bad.



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For those people that would come here to say that the Bible was referring to Non-Alcoholic Wine.
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The Jews that lived during the time of Jesus knew only how to produce the Natural Wine with Vine Grapes, which is a Naturally Occurring Alcoholic Fluid..
If Jesus Drank Grape-Juice which was made from the Vine Grapes, it would be stated as Grape-Juice in the Bible. (But Grape-Juice is very difficult to get and stored in its Non-Alcoholic form using natural processes, just the way it is very difficult to get and store Cashew-Juice or Soursop-Juice from natural processes.)
The production of Non-Alcoholic Wine from Vine Grapes is a more complicated process (and is done with some technologies that was invented during the medieval times).

(Even the so-called Non-Alcoholic Wine, once it is uncorked, begins to turn alcoholic after some hours - then, imagine the Jews who never had the technology produce the Non-Alcoholic wine in the first place, not to talk of having the technological means of preserving it).
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Simply Put.....
During the time of Jesus, they drank the natural wine from Vine Grapes which is a naturally occurring Alcoholic wine.
If the wine was not Alcoholic, then the Pharisees wouldn't have complained about it.

Please, I want to know.
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Especially for Non-Muslims that are living in the Northern Nigerian States like Kano State..

NOTE:
(Please Mods,, don't push this thread to the Islamic Section. Please... I take God Beg Una.)

omonighoblessing:
Bank needs a government issued ID... Which I don't have... NiN wants bank to change it first which has not been possible

Na Waa Ooo.
Why would the NIN demand that the name on the BVN should be changed first?
NIN doesn't require BVN..
Rather, it is BVN that requires NIN.
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Why is it that our Nigerian system and our Government always making things very difficult for the citizens?
Who did we offend in this country?

Cutehector:
because you paid their bride price

Na Here the Feminists need to do a very big work..
“Paying Of Bride Price Must Be Abolished..”
Men and Women Are Supposed To Be Equal In Everything, so a man shouldn't be paying any dime for marrying a woman.
Feminists Should Move For The Abolition Of The Paying Of Bride Price, Including Settling Of Marriage Lists.
All these things makes the ladies to be seen as bought properties and commodities.
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Are You Thinking What I'm Thinking??

daveemuobo:
this is a terribly flawed stand. You don't need to perform a name change for all your documents as OP stated
That is why newspaper publications tell you that other documents with former names remain valid.

If you are a Government-Employed Civil Servant, you will understand how easy or hard the Change-Of-Name Process Is.

alizma:
And when somebody call laziness after their name, all hell will be let loose. Nothing is difficult in changing name. Go to court and swear affidavit, then proceed to make it public in any of the national dailies accessible to you.

You forgot that this is Nigeria..
These two things are not enough, and will never ever be enough.
Trust me,, BVN and NIN had changed a lot of things.

NoToPile:
I have walked the walk it took me more than 6 months.

My eye saw wheen, GTB was using me to play ping pong because of BVN change.

First swear affidavit
Newspaper
NIMC - this one took less than a week for the change to be effected paid 1k charges.

After NIMC came out took it to the bank as a valid ID containing the new name, thats where wahala start. BVN change, they frustrated me to the extent that I had to carry my little baby to the
Bank.

Everything is so stressful in this country.

So Sorry My Dear.
This is what the whole thing had turned out system into.

PROPHETmichael:
That's why their family people still have legality over them and can recall them at anytime to their father's house because they still bear their father's name instead of their husband's name.

This thing you typed here is trash.
The man is no more owing the woman's family, so why on earth would they recall their daughter?

omonighoblessing:
I am currently facing this problem right now... I have done the affidavit, I have done the news paper publication, I went to nin to do my registration and nin is saying that the bank has to change my name first on my bvn before I use that name unless I use my maiden name. And the bank is saying get the new name from the nin then we change it. Just imagine the fix I am in

And what is your next line of action now??
What next are you going to do now?

Cutehector:
if i can go through the stress of paying Her bride price, TF should she be lazy to change her name

I will not tolerate a lousy wife.

Why not run the Stress for her on her behalf??
She is willing to change her surname.
So, help her to overcome the stress involved, and have her surname changed to yours.

Cutehector:
This shouldnt make one to relax in changing their names.

A Typical Average Nigerian Person doesn't like Stress..
Now, imagine A Typical Average Nigerian Lady!!

Seun

omonighoblessing:
I am currently facing this problem right now... I have done the affidavit, I have done the news paper publication, I went to nin to do my registration and nin is saying that the bank has to change my name first on my bvn before I use that name unless I use my maiden name. And the bank is saying get the new name from the nin then we change it. Just imagine the fix I am in

Na Waa Ooo.
Why would the NIN demand that the name on the BVN should be changed first?
NIN doesn't require BVN..
Rather, it is BVN that requires NIN.
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Why is it that our Nigerian system and our Government always making things very difficult for the citizens?
Who did we offend in this country?

NoToPile:
I have walked the walk it took me more than 6 months.

My eye saw wheen, GTB was using me to play ping pong because of BVN change.

First swear affidavit
Newspaper
NIMC - this one took less than a week for the change to be effected paid 1k charges.

After NIMC came out took it to the bank as a valid ID containing the new name, thats where wahala start. BVN change, they frustrated me to the extent that I had to carry my little baby to the
Bank.

Everything is so stressful in this country.

Na Waaa Ooo..!!

Nezzjnr:
Ohhhhh

I went with my International passport as govt issued ID

That change of name is seriously a big issue.... One man went to court to get an Affidavit... They told him to go back to Newspaper company get a name publication... He did so... He came back again to get his name changed... They told him to get a Govt valid ID.... He pleaded with his soul and blood... It fell on deaf ears.. He just threw the whole documents on the Customer care attendant table and left out of annoyance

A well aged man ooo.... It was seriously frustrating

I can relate very well.

The Argument In This Write-up Is Very Valid.
So Please, Stop Blaming The Ladies.
They Are Willing, But The Process Is Stressful.
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Blame The Crippled System.!!

In this Era of NIN, BVN and so on,, and with the amount of stress involved in doing even the simplest of things in Nigeria these days, changing of names on official documents had actually become very difficult.

First of all, you still have to swear affidavit as it used to be in the olden days, and then proceed to get the copy of the Newspaper Publication, and accompany all of these documents with your Marriage Certificate before you can even start to proceed with anything.

This is actually when your real stress starts.

You have to go to the NIN Office to change your surname, then you go to your bank in order to change your surname in the BVN, and then go back to change your surname in all your bank accounts, before going back to change the surname at your place of work.
(You might also have to go to your Network-Providers of your GSM lines in order to change your surname there, and also at FRSC Office in order to change your Surname on your Driving License)
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After checking the stresses involved in all these, you would decide to continue answering your Maiden name in your official documents without even bothering to add the husband's surname.
You only answer your husband's surname in unofficial places that doesn't require ID-Card or Documented-Identity verifications.
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Until that time comes when it becomes very very easy to change someone's name at one central source-point, and the change-of-name becomes Officially valid to be used anywhere and everywhere without being questioned, then people can comfortably and conveniently begin to change their names as they wished which still falls within the contents of the Law, and also, married ladies can easily change their surnames Officially to their husbands surnames without adding anything to it.

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In Summary:
What I am trying to say is that the Nigerian system itself is making the process of Name-Changing very very difficult highly stressful, even for people who are very willing to change their own names due to some crucial important reasons.

How much is being Paid for Every Crop Destroyed?

Salex007:
what is the opposite of the word "sorry"

No-Sorry

Lalasticlala,
Seun