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ooman: The Good Lord With His Evils Sha.

hahahahaha, are u saying that the GOOD lord is EVIL? Are u saying that the GOOD lords sends forth EVIL spirits to do his dirty biddings?

Uncanny Genius: Nigeria is doomed. It's only fools that will vote for the grand sponsors of the terrorist group during the coming 2015 election. It's better that Nigeria breaks up than a useless Northerner becomes the President by 2015 because they have nothing to offer but to milk the country dry just like Buhari, Babangida, Abacha and the rest of the animals did.

well I disagree with u, if a northerner will be the one that will move this country forward, then I would gladly vote for him, let's put tribal/ethnic sentiments aside, it will take us nowhere.

FOLYKAZE: Im Atheist. The only point you people missed is that what you call supernaturals are natural wonders to me.

I dont know the science you can use to explain this but it works. Some of this stuffs are tested and confirmed to be fact.

If you are shown a bullet proof vest and you dont know how it works, doesn't necessary mean you should call it supernaturals. I remember my granny before she died, when she use a phone to make call, she will always say the white people use demons to build the stuff. But look at it today, we got informations on how telephone calls work.

This is the black people's power.
Black Power drives South African economy - Mail & Guardian

*Is this factual? What do they mean by "Black Power"?

Either way, you can belief in your God while the Atheist dont but this natural wonders will exist. Let just wait for the video mazaje will record when this is proven.

kk boss.

egift: OP:
You are obviously outlining modalities for a any new militant group. One that will deliver jungle justice to any politician and provide proof that outline his offenses.

I just pray the Government will stop this devilish killing of Nigerian before our unemployed graduates will upgrade this ru[size=1pt].[/size]bbish

well since it seems the orthodox way of solving our corruption problems is not working, then I think we should think of a more unorthodox way.

mikolo80: NOPE,JUST A REALIST.I'M NOT READY TO LAY IT ALL ON THE LINE FOR NIGERIA AND NEITHER ARE YOU.DIFFERENCE IS I DONT PRETEND TO BE MORE CATHOLIC THAN THE POPE
AND I DONT FOOL MYSELF BY SAYING "I WANT THEM TO KILL PPL BUT I DONT SUPPORT THEIR PHILOSOPHY" COS GUESS WHAT THEY DONT SUPPORT URS EITHER.SO HAPPY REVOLUTION STARTING FROM BEHIND UR WIFE'S SKIRT

lol,

ijawkid: But folykaze na atheist abi??.....

I no sure bros, atheist no suppose believe in anything supernatural, but agnostic fit believe.

Lincoln burrows: I thought that okija-juju and pagan4life were atheists. I didn't see their input in this thread. Anyway I don't have anything to prove to the likes of purists and mazaje.. I know what the Bible says about atheists. It amazes me that they think they are smarter than the likes of bill gates who believe in God.

who told u biLl gates is smart?

mikolo80: WHY YOU NO FIT GO LEARN WORK FROM THEM COME FORM CORRUPT HARAM GROUP.COWARD WAITING FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO DO UR DIRTY WORK.BELL THE CAT OR STFU

smh, ignorant mukunu being

FOLYKAZE: Im fully prepared for that. I got my bullet proof skin dude with me here. Just make sure you stand firm to your own words.


And hope you go forward me and my bullet proof skin guy to randi? I won get million for my account.

Well from my side, no failure coming. I stand on my word as promised

I wish u guys luck.

Lol, nairalanders, una no go kee person, na really grandmama tins, lol.

Bump

ooman: sections like romance, sexuality contain hot chicks that will make you wanna masturb...... ...

programming, webmaster, computers, phones, health, education that are so educative.

the most important part is that, there are more atheists out there than in here.

Religion section contains religious people so intellectually lazy that they base the evidence of their god on their ignorance.

am outta here, but will always pass by sha.

bye

lol, u know say na story u dey find, u fit leave religion section? I pray ooOOoooooo. Lol

Take out the holocaust, "battling with Africa slavery mentality"

malele: you have a point, but thats if boko haram will reason that way

that's the problem my mann,

tspun: even if boko haram happens to be the once check mating d govt there will still be corruption. They will still tell d govt to pay specific amount so dat day will cover up for them. Our leaders are corrupt so are d masses.luk back to wen efcc started we thought it will bring down all the bad leaders but wat is happenin today, the govt are buyin their way. Wat we need is prayin, God should send a mesaih to come and rescue naija from these bondage.

my broda, if the boko haram can do this with a religious conviction, they won't budge for any corrupt official, the only problem is that they might become too powerful, it's not about prayers, if na prayer na Nigeria na pray pass for the whole world, Nigerians need to fear corruption.

God is the answer to Our problems in this country, and I know God will deliver us.

musKeeto: Oga Franky, I see you...

@bolaino: have you watched the masked magician videos? They're on youtube...

yes I have, and they are pretty impressive,

dare2think: If I lie, tell me say I lie now.

You cant be throwing up words like that in this discourse if you cant back it up.

We will all die someday = Fact
The plane has the ability to fly = Fact
NO society is perfect = Fact

These are all provable statements.

Juju exists =Facts..?

lol, well juju existing is not really a fact though.

I believe it exists though, but I take that "fact" back,

dare2think: Of course it is everyone's right to believe what they want to believe, but the premise of this debate is summed up in your statement in the above.

Stop saying something is a 'fact' if you cannot prove it.

lol, I knew someone was gon pick up on the "fact", lol, and it so happened to be you.

mazaje: ^^

Bullet proof juju must and will be tested. . .

it seems you're very serious about this thing.

Hmmmmm, I've read lots of arguments here, some, very enlightening, others not so enlightening,

to my freethinking brethren, u guys shouldn't bother about testing any of these "juju", cos no mata what u see, u'll always look for a rational understanding for it, so it would be a waste of your time and money to try to prove something that is actually inconsequential after all is said and done, cos how does someone's body stopping bullets from penetrating it affect my life? It doesn't,

so we should just allow people to believe whatever they want, as long as their belief doesn't endanger the life of another human, it's their fundamental human right, one thing I know for certain, is that the supernatural exists, but I try not to make something big out of it, I just do my thing and live my life,

and I hope that one day my frEethinking brethren would come to acknowledge that fact, believing in the supernatural is not a weakness or a sign of gullibility, so

5columnist: You are empty.. no debate. Too shalow in spiritual affairs to earn any attention. "egg in a bottle"

mr know it all, what if I told u the eggs I saw in the. Glass bottle were not hard boiled eggs but raw eggs, and they were broken after sometime to prove that they were raw eggs?

jayriginal: Seeing means you "saw". It does not necessarily mean its real. Think about this.

Now think of a mirage. From far you see water but is it really water you see? Is there really water?
Seeing a mirage from far, you could swear that there was water even without investigation but would it be so?

Similarly, when you think you see something seemingly unnatural, you shouldnt be in such a hurry to call it supernatural.

So no, seeing is not believing.

I have seen inexplicable things as well but I do not call them supernatural.

what would you see to make u believe in the supernatural? Being a freethinker doesn't necessarily mean u have to disregard the possibility of supernatural occurrences.

Muskeeto, mazaje, purist, dare2think, and all my freethinking brethren, u guys have all given me convincing arguments to buttress your point that there are indeed no supernatural occurrences, u've disproved, my theories on cris angel, eGg in the bottle, crucifix in the bottle and most of my arguments. BUT. Let me give u d last remaining argument I have,

TB joshua, I'm not gullible or credulous, but the guy seems to possess some form of supernatural power, or am I wrong?

Kay 17: I noticed the part you said the Universe's size makes it "seem" supernatural. Now you are clearer, but can be clearer. I wld assume what you meant by natural is physics, since we humans are not omniscient, we don't have the full grasp of physics, we are still learning everyday. Could we say supernatural means what's beyond all physics including knwledge we don't yet know? Note that it will be more difficult in pinpointing the Supernatural especially when we are not omniscient.

well not all things that are beyond physics, can be attributed to being metaphysical,

but simply put, I would say the supernatural could be a branch of science that has not been fully explored, hence it's said to be beyond the physical. and I hope that soonest in our academic institutions there would arise a need to create the "department of supernatural studies" where people like ijawkid can go and study sorcery and wizardry!!!

musKeeto: up bolaino and fola

lol, muskeeto u dey laff me shebi, lol

Well, after all is said and done it still boils down to the concept of "seeing is believing" to u guys, (as should every rational human) superstition thrives on belief, and believing in it is you giving yourself to it,

But we are grateful to science, science has been able to explain to us in detail things that our ancestors never thought could be understood, and I hope that in the nearest future most of the things we thought were mysteries would be unraveled.

dare2think:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRuj4wChPtA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impossible_bottle

^
For your curiousity about the 'impossible bottle'

Whilst I agree that nobody knows all and some thing are still beyond human comprehension, I still hold the conviction not to quickly lean towards the realms of spirituality and Mysticism. Why?

A lot of what was attributed as non-comprehendable to human capacity or mystery has often been resolved through the use of science. As we vecome more advanced in science and thoughts alot of entities become demystified. Humans in their helplessness and in some cases laziness(Nigerian, mostly) are quick to mystify anything they dont understand rather that using researching or even 'googling' the topic.

I believe Nigerians should make better use of the internet, rather than focus on linda ieji's blog.

lol, u got me laffing wit the linda ikeji blog, you're very right, it seems what most nigerians seem to focus on more now is gossip and irrelevant stuffs.

I'm really enjoying this thread, it's insightful and eye opening, I wish nigerians could try to be more logical in their thoughts and actions,

Kay 17: Is the Big Ban.g supernatural?

Is a skyscraper supernatural?

Is the power of the atom supernatural?

The Universe is immense, and near infinite that it blows our minds away with astronomical distances, sizes and material, would that mean its supernatural?

What is Supernatural?

well, supernatural can be said to be something that is beyond natural, something that goes against physics, metaphysical or supernatural both hold same meaning,

The big bang, is just a theory and it's not a fact but if it really is true then it's not supernatural, like wise the power of the atom, I hope the higgs boson theory is proven to be accurate soonest though, cos it would shut the church folks up for good,

I agree wit u that the universe is massive and and infinitesimal, and that. Makes it seem more supernatural, there are things that science can not be able to explain, like I personally believe in Extraterrestrial existence, we can't be the only ones living on this gigantic universe,

musKeeto: So what exactly are you scared of? Why should these African gods kill their own people and not the slaveowners? Wouldn't it be better as a 'freethinker' to cast away fear and try to understand or grasp the basics of whatever tradition your people practice? Would their own 'gods' want them extinct?

This should be the position of a freethinker, not being scared of the unknown. A powerful god that can harm puts a crucifix in a bottle.... smh..

what I have learnt so far on my journey to self enlightenment is that things are not always what they seem, muskeeto as an agnostic u should know that by now,

When you were a child studying CRS in secondary skul, if u were told that a time would come in your life where u would be writing articles, and calling the biblical God all sorts of names, u would'nt believe, but now u know beta,
life is not black and white, life is full of mysteries that we can never fully comprehend, take the pyramids at giza for example, there has been no concrete scientific explanation for how they were built, and so many other mysteries, where these people given divine architectural knowledge? That's something we will probably never find out, science holds answers to many things but not all things,

mazaje1: I will use my own gun so that you don't give me a bad gun that will jam . . .Stop talking and accept the test already . . .Logicboy will be there and at lest 2 other atheist that agree to witness it. . .I will sponsor their flight and hotel accomodation for 3 days. I am NOT kidding. . .Just get your people ready and take the challenge already . . .

well, I understand your stance in aLl this, you live abroad, you stay among people who hold little or no superstitious belief(s) and to you superstition is absurd and unintelligent, I get,

But while a part of me yearns to agree entirely with what you're saying, the other part of me that has witnessed bizarre supernatural occurrences chose to disagree, I have seen things I can not put down in words, I have seen people make predictions that come to pass, I have seen over five crusifixes in a glass bottle, (how the hell they got inside, I have no friggin idea) and lots of other crazy stuff,

Was I hallucinating when I saw these things, I was'nt, (cos I don't do drugs or take alcohol) I have done spiritual exercises like astral projection, where I saw things that were very real, although it seemed asif I was in a lucid state, but I saw things,

I'm no religionist, and I'm open to sound and logical reasoning, I don't believe in the vengeful, blood thirsty evil spirit/god of the jews, but I believe that there are malevolent forces that chose to put people in misery, I did not arrive at these conclusions from heresay, I witnessed many metaphysical happenings, and even as the freethinker in me yearns to believe that the shadows in the dark are not worth chasing, the ISOKO man in me tells me to be cautious of my people in the village.

ezme: Ijawkid stop threatening people with warri.

P.S; you be like who I see for NNPC Junior staff club this night cos the guy just dey speak ijaw dey threaten the girl when dey sell fish and he no want wait him turn.

original, I greet u, u be confam wafarian, I dey follow ur government bros.