OkaiCorne:


Even if the Evolution school of thought holds water...I am still of the opinion that something cannot evolve without a "programming" in the background. And a program cannot happen without a Creator involved. Hence, the existence of an Eternal Creator.

On a side note...kindly pass across your message without jabs ...lest you unleash the dragon

Akin1212:


99% of the world? Lol. That's according to your own statistics and research, right? We really should not continue, I agree with you on that.

If your 99% stat is true, then 99% of the world is really stupid. I will prefer to know that spirits exist than to believe. I hope you know the difference between knowing and believing.

You said I disagree with available facts, are you kidding me? What facts have you given me? I am forced to question your understanding. Do you even know what facts are? Have you showed me where God lives, Have you shown me his picture? Have you shown me hard evidence that will tell me there's a God? You don't have facts, you just want me to believe. I can't, I need hard facts.

In the Science world, we say things don't exist if they don't conform with the basic laws of science. God simply does not exist in this world because it does not conform to the basic laws that guide the universe. That has been established.

So many scientific works have proved that God doesn't exist. For one, science said nobody created life, we evolved. If God says he created life and science have proved that life was not created, what does that mean to you? Do I need to spell it out?

You simply don't know the meaning of facts, do you? Before science discovered what makes rain to fall, people were thinking it was God that pours water from heaven. Rain is a fact and people gullibly thought God was responsible for it, but science came and explained it. I guess you're also behaving like a caveman too, because there is a phenomenon that you don't understand, you're attributing it to a supreme being. change your ways, bro. Besides, what did you say you mentioned? Retype it and let me trash it.

Akin1212:


You're not interested in my ranting then why did you contribute? Were you forced or paid? I'm surprised, but then I'm not surprised again because you are Christian, very confused. So your life is better because you have hope in the after-life? Lol, I really can't hold my laughter right now. If there is going to be an after-life, logically there must be a before-life. Can you please tell me where you were before you were born? Think well before you answer.

I don't need to have hopes in what doesn't exist, there's no after-life, it's an illusion.

Let me tell you something about facts, you have to know them, you don't believe facts. You have only believed that there is God, you don't know for sure. If you know for sure, then you should be able to show us this God, but you can't because all you have is a faith. Do you know the definition of faith?

But me I know that God does not exist. How? It's by simple logic. I HAVE EXPLAINED IT BELOW.

Let me give you an example maybe it will make you understand. One fact in life is that we breathe in oxygen to stay alive. I don't believe it, I know it. But how? Because I have empirically carried out the tests, oxygen can be measured, it is a physical property, take it away then there will not life, bring it back then there is life.

But what makes God not to be a fact is this. God said, call unto me in the time of troubles, I will answer you. Do you know the number of people who have died in tragedies? They called God and he did not answer because he is not there. Another one is this, God said he is not wicked, but I have been able to prove to yo the act of wickedness of God by killing innocent people. Everything about God is actually the opposite of what they said he is. That means everything is a lie.


Lol, I can see that you are really getting confused now. Your logical reasoning is very weak.

Now, everything about God was written by man. All I am trying to let you see are the inconsistencies in the storybook called bible you have been reading all your life. In the Bible, they said God is merciful, but the actions of the same God shows that he is not merciful.

According to the rule of thumb, if you have +1 and -1 then you have zero. God can't be merciful and wicked at the same time, and that logic brings us to the conclusion that the existence of a being that is wicked and merciful is zero. So God does not exist. Simple Logic.

It's really baffling that you find that simple logic confusing.

Akin1212:


Are you arguing from a general perspective? A free mind perspective or a religious one? So, for you and God now, I am liable for the sins of my Grandfather, the sins I know nothing about? I see why God is God, he is really a Good God that cannot differentiate between innocents and sinners. I really believe that your God is a God that will punish people for sins they are innocent of. Your example of Nigeria does not hold water at all, as a matter of fact, Nigeria is like that because God does not exist.
Besides, if the law now chose to punish a Nigerian leader that is corrupt according to your analogy, does the law punish all his families and his tribesmen or only him? God punished the whole Egypt for the sins of Pharaoh, who does that? A tyrant of course.



I'm tired of reading useless replies from you. Sorry to say.



This is really funny I swear. How do you define a better life? No Christian in Nigeria is richer than Dangote. There are millions of Muslims and Atheists who have a better life than YOU. Abeg, talk reasonable matter.


You can give us an instance where believing in Jesus stopped natural disasters, we will be glad to check it out. I don't need to be a creator before I know some things. It is called common sense and logic.

Akin1212:


Exactly, it will be difficult because I don't go about believing things that don't have empirical evidence unlike you. I prefer to know, I don't believe. Believing could be blind, you know?



What am I supposed to read into it? Oh, I am not even supposed to think of what you wrote at all, I am just supposed to accept it because you said it, whether it's logical or not, right? Satan's temporal punishment is to roam and be free to terrorize humanity? Does it make sense to you? Is there no other way to punish him than to unleash him on us? You are still bringing people's analogy into the matter as if it will make sense, If I use the same people's analogy to strike back and show you why it doesn't make sense, you'll start giving excuses.



As a matter of fact, you're the one who is twisting things. Your analogies are weak and irrelevant. God should bring judgement on bad people and leave the innocents out of it. When you punish the innocents for what they didn't do, you're simply an evildoer.




It's your choice not to believe too, there's no wise creator anywhere.



Does the choice you make supersede and transcends God's choice? If NO, then nobody has free will.



Exactly, you've given them the ability to make decisions ONLY on their own and your own decisions will not matter to them anymore. People under the law does not have free will, nobody has a free will in a society. Who is twisting things now, or is it that you don't simply understand the concept?



my question is this, did God know that people were going to make a mess before he created them? Who created the people making the mess? If God is perfect, he is not supposed to create people who will make a mess. His creations are really not perfect.



You tell me, if God is the one who makes the decision, then he is not limited to his own laws as you have said earlier because he makes the decisions.



Come off it brother. I am the free thinker here, you're the one who has a predetermined viewpoint(Christian). Yes, we are not going anywhere until you start accepting facts and stop believing without concrete evidence, and stop giving weak analogies that fall back on you.

Spirits don't die my foot. Have you seen one before? What surprises me is that you type confidently about something you know nothing about, who does that? Have you seen any spirit before? What's the influence of spirits in this world. We are really going nowhere if we are going to include ignorance of facts in our discussion.

xcelentattitude:
Have you ever wondered where things deleted on your phones or other gadgets go to, then you are in the right company. nairalanders, answers

I explained what is meant by "you can't question God". Kindly read what I wrote about job. Let me restate that God is not answerable to anyone. He decided if he wants to answer us or not. Stop feeling like you deserve an answer from him, cos you don't. You're a creature of his and a creator is not answerable to the creature. Only the creature is answerable to the creator, that's why he can judge you. Not the other way round.


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All other creatures apart from man will be asking man the same question too. Cos when man fell, the whole creation lost direction. Some became wild animals and started feeding on flesh. Now, if we're to assign blame, it'll go to man because it was man that rebelled. The animals will be asking man the same question.

Now, about suffering: As I said earlier, man rebelled and he (and his descendants) fell under curse. But a remedy has been made available (accepting Jesus). If all men accept Jesus as Lord, the world will be a better place. Some of the sufferings you experience today are as a result of what your great-grandfather did. The sufferings most Nigerians are in today, it's as a result of what past leaders did. Even our current situation, don't we blame it on Buhari, Jonathan etc? Are you affected by the suffering because you were part of their administration? No. But you're a subordinate of theirs, so what they do affects you.

The quoted above is illogical reasoning, don't tell me you believe this trash.

The Lion has always been carnivorous. There was no point in time Lion ate grass.
Why would animals change because man(another animal) fell? For starters, according to religion, the man was created in the image of God. So his falling cannot affect other creations that are completely different from man. If man fell and other animals did not, why do they have to lose directions as man? If that's the way it happened, then what justice is there for the other animals. Did you say God is just again?

Before we go deeper, let us verify how the world can be a better place by accepting Jesus. Let us take a look at those who have accepted him already. On a large scale, their lives are far worse than those who have not accepted Jesus Christ.

Just accepting Jesus Christ will not stop earthquakes from happening, many of his followers died in tsunamis. I know many of his followers who are still suffering. So your claim is invalid.

Akin1212:


Then Jesus must have made a grave mistake because you cannot explain the physical situations with spiritual situations. Because nobody can see spirits. Spirits don't exist. And for the sake of discussion, even if they do they are not in this realm and are not guided by physical or natural laws and we are also not guided by spiritual laws. So that there is a very big mistake.

On the Satan's punishment, how can something being punished roam freely? The logic here is zero. If you are being punished, you don't have freedom. But Satan does. I have told you to stop using physical issues to explain this phenomenon because it will not work. Criminals who do community service don't go on their own freedom, they are escorted by security operatives and are always in chains when doing community service. If you liken this to Satan's case, is Satan in chains or escorted by security operatives? I don't think so.

Thank you, you have ultimately agreed that God created Evil. So God himself is an evildoer.

So avoiding evil to you means insecurity?
It depends on your definition of evil.
If humans become insecure by avoiding evil, then I think they are wiser than God.

What is free will?

When you give someone free will, you have ultimately influenced their freedom to choose.

If God created evil and knew that it would be evil before he created it but didn't change the creation because he didn't want to appear insecure. Are you ascertaining me that God planned this world to be in disarray? Then why is he blaming the evil instead of himself who had all the opportunities to make it better but didn't?

If what you think cannot be accurate, then why bother?
The Bible said in James 4 vs 17 "Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin."

If God commanded this and does not abide by it himself, then he is not just as you have earlier postulated. You have just mixed his inability to kill Satan with justice. But none of them exist, just to be sure.

They said we cannot question God because by doing so we cannot get answers. Some of us have been doing so and if God is really just then he should answer us and tell us why.
Do you know that man is carrying the blame for falling and God is exempting himself according to religion? When God knew what will happen, why did he go ahead and create man? He cannot exempt himself.

Akin1212:


You tried but your logic came back crashing on you. Your explanations however raised many more questions which I am going to ask below.


Before I ask my question, I want to raise salient points that foiled your explanation.

- If truly you believe God is a spirit, then you cannot explain spiritual affairs with physical affairs.
- For the sake of discussion, let's now assume to explain spiritual affairs with physical affairs. Evans and Rev King erred and they are both in Jail. Is Satan in jail? I hope you can see where your logic is cancelling itself.

1) Before God created Lucifer, did he know or not that Lucifer would rebel?

2) If he knew, why didn't he change the creation to one that will not rebel, like Gabriel or nothing?

3) If he created angels with free will, meaning they can do what they want, even rebel. Do you agree that he played a part in the rebellion?

4) If he didn't know Lucifer would rebel, that means he does not know everything(not omniscient). Do you agree?

5) If he also knew that Lucifer would rebel and still went ahead to create him, what do you think?

6) When Lucifer rebelled, what's the big deal in throwing him into a dungeon and leaving the fucking_ world out of their matter?quote]
You're repeating your questions. The answer is in (1)
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[7) Why do we have to suffer what we know nothing about, is that fair to you?

You said God is just, do you remember when he decided to kill the firstborns in Egypt, firstborns must have included old men and children and newly born infants, but he struck them all at night and killed them, Is that justice? Again, did you say God is just?

9) If this God follows rule of law, whether set by him or by men, then he is not all-powerful(not omnipotent) because the law cannot hold down powerful men. What do you think?

10) The Bible made us understand that we cannot question God, which basically means he is above the law, whether set by him or us. That he is the Law and he is not subject to it. Is this a lie?,

11) If God has set the law and how things work according to his will, then why do pray for him to change some things?

12) If God can kill a witch just because you prayed before the time of the witch comes as being set by God. Do you think he is still following the law?

13) If God cannot be questioned by us then we cannot assume that he is just too because we cannot also blame, why did you assume he is just?

14) If God can do everything but will not do everything, do you agree he is malevolent?

15) Can God be a slave to his own will again

16) If God cannot lie, how does that help the world?

17) A God that cannot lie, is that a God that can do everything?

I have many more questions, more will follow when these ones are answered

Main thread
I am an atheist and I have asked a ton of Christians and Muslims, the children and slaves of Jehova and Allah these two questions. The wonder is that the first question's answer always raise the second question and they go mute. Answer it if you can but intelligently, but if you are stupid and you like e-war, I'm also at home for you.

1. Why can't God just kill Satan and everything will go back to normal, after all, he created him, so he should know how to kill him.

2. Can God do and undo and is he unquestionable?
If God can do and undo and is unquestionable, then the law can't hold him or question him.
If the law can question him, then he cannot do and undo and he is questionable. It's a simple logic

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cmon:
Hi y'll

Can anyone give me a tip on how to create a 'What You See Is What You Get' (WYSIWYG) type of form, similar to the one used to post topics on Nairaland.

I actually want to create a forum and anytime I use the normal form, The database does not reproduce the message exactly how it was typed (eg for line breaks to occur, you have to type <br> before the next line and not many web visitors understand this)

Well in summary, how can I create a form like Nairaland's topic posting form?

Urls where I can read them up or scripts I can study will be very helpful. Thanks

BentiBenti:
it was created by a friend about me and he deactivated his account while the post is still there with the picture. Hmm

Sirnuel:


you can do it in 20K?


and one will start to wonder why Nigeria developers are not taken seriously

gentlekeny:
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Has anyone done it?
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cutebobo:
Have you ever wonder if it was only Eve that ate the forbidden fruit, would God have created another female, kill Eve, create another world of suffering for only Eve or what would have happened?

checkolatunji:
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I will keep this simple and straight

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NPComplete:


Another evasive tatic by a liar. Please what's the name of the animal translated as hare in the bible. Or u think the guys who translated the bible doesn't know what a hare is? Also I never claimed u said the hare is extinct. I only pointed out to u that the bible is not in the habit of naming extinct animals with names of animals still living, u liar.

You also dishonestly avoided the other points I raised. Freaking liar. Keep lying, u are amusing me.

NPComplete:



I can see u clearly avoided dealing with the discrepancy in numbers between 2 different passages. U only dishonestly suggested it should be formatted properly. Your evasive maneuver was not unnoticed.

And yes, "this generation"= those sitting around listening. Don't be dishonest.

And seriously, did u just claim the hare isn't an animal we know but an extinct animal? Lying for Jesus doesn't suit u. The levianthan is probably a mythical creature and no extant creature shares that name today. U can't dishonesty claim the hare in the bible is extinct u liar.

Ericsunday619:
GE 1:3-5 On the first day, God created light, then separated light and darkness.
GE 1:14-19 The sun (which separates night and day) wasn't created until the fourth day.

GE 1:11-12, 26-27 Trees were created before man was created.
GE 2:4-9 Man was created before trees were created.

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Sabrina18:
U sef too like free things.