₦airaland Forum

sukkot:
brother ? wherever you live in the world, its about wealth. in america where you live ? no money no health insurance = death. no money = drug infested neighborhoods with people killing each other. yes its about money, even more so in your america than nigeria

And that's where you are wrong. God help me. And you say you've lived in chicago/America? . You might wanna be careful. You are starting to expose yourself. Insurance is not based on how wealthy you are.

sukkot:
it is what it is lol. there is a reason why dangote and otedola both live in naija and have no houses abroad. naija is sweeettttttttttttttttttttttttttt

I am shaking my head because you actually think the discussion is about personal wealth. See why i say Nigerians don't understand the trouble they are in? It mind boggling.

sukkot:
[b]brother ? you are speaking to a man that has lived in america and england and i will say one thing, and you can take it how you want to take it, if i am extremely rich ? i would rather live in nigeria because i can carve out my own little heaven in nigeria. now if i am struggling or just managing ? then i may decide to live abroad. is it bad that you need to have money to be in heaven in naija ? yeah somewhat but the same can be said for america. me personally i lived in chicago and in chicago if you dont have money you will be in drug and gun infested neighborhoods but you need real good money to move to the rich suburbs like evanston and skokie etc. point being i rather be rich in nigeria than rich in america. shyttt imagine living in a place like lekki ? all the houses there are serviced meaning you get light and water 24 7 and all the apartments have tennis courts and swimming pools, and they have malls and huge supermarkets and lots of restaurants, even hard rock cafe and macdonalds and kfc, and you can order anything online from konga and jumia and they will deliver to your house and those stores have everything that is sold in america and britain. so you see ? naija will always be better than america or england but the only problem is you need some money to enjoy naija. and you dont get to deal with racism too. so naija wins all the time.[/b]

Unbelievable. Smh.

sukkot:
come on brah, surely you are not blind to all the killings of black men by the police in america ? you cant be oblivious to how whites feel about blacks are you ? you do know the blacks were only desegregated less than 40 years ago right ? less than 40 years ago your black ass would be seating at the back of a bus or not allowed to go into restaurants. surely you are not oblivious to all this are you ?

If you follow my comments so far, you would see that i have said it is not a perfect society. I will take that imperfect society over the rot in Nigeria. That being said, i can only speak for myself. It's been almost two decades and not once have i personally experienced racism. When a cop stops me, guess what happens? "hello sir, can i see your drivers license and registration"? I smile and calmly hand it over to him. He looks at it and hands it back to me saying "thank you sir, have a nice day". Every time. You know why? Because i respect myself and never argue with a man who has a gun and is authorised to do so. I don't sag my pants, hang around hoodlums or wanna try to be a gangster. Now lets fast forward to a society where the police will stop you and demand you give him 20 naira or else you are not leaving. Where two people get into an accident and the solution is to get into a fist fight. Where people prefer to dump refuse in front of their houses. Where you call the cops and no one will show up. Where they run a quota system based on the region you are from. Where the citizens hold more allegiance to the tribe they are from rather than the country they belong to. Guy, you realise you don't know the country you live in but are an expert on another person's country. Do you know how phucking hilarious that is? Smh

hardbody:
You should have said this since, rather than dancing around your beliefs.

You listen to CNN a lot and nothing from Nigeria. I can understand that. Today you are brain washed to think 'like them'.

I guess the reason is simple, when your likes never thought it possible to apply and get a visa and then travel to the 'white man's world', it does appear to you as the greatest achievement ever. Then again i guess it is for you, having the reached the highest pinnacle of your hearts desire.

Listen around, read a bit, and you will understand that a few things are changing in Nigeria. Nigerians don't all vote for bread and butter, some still do not sell their conscience, but how do i expect you to understand, forming oyinbo.

To get it right, we should kill all the leaders, then travel en masse and leave Nigeria and forbid others who may wish to return to never do so

I see how brilliant you are.

If this how you want to interprete this, then more grease to your elbows. You don't seem to understand your situation and as such are doomed to continue the rot you are used to. It has been proven that doing and thinking the same way and expecting a different result is the very definition of insanity. Nowhere have i said to migrate en mass out of Nigeria is your solution. The solution as i have pointed out is to change the way you think, is the way to your eldorado. To think there is an iota of change in your country is laughable to say the least. Brother it is getting worse by the day. How you can't see this is amazing. Again, you are making the mistake of thinking it is all about you. I have already schooled you on this way of thinking. It is not that because you don't do it but the fact that you've had bad leaders in power who use this as a tool to get in power. Which means that a majority of you do it, hence the reason they are there. I can't believe i have to explain this to you. And yes, a total cleansing of your leadership is the solution to problems as it is. The other option is war and i would not wish it on you. Why? Think about it. Nigerian act like animals in peace time, what do you think they would do when at war? You guys would make what happened in Burundi look like a kindergaten birthday party. Smh.

sukkot:
brah this is not about being illegal and this is not about you. its about your people. you are not seperate from your people. if your people are regarded as inferior then subliminally all your white co-workers look at you like a nigger. FACTS. just cuz they smile in your face dont mean nothing.

And that's where you are wrong. Nobody asks me where i'm from because they don't care. Do you know what they care about? That i am productive. That i pay my taxes. That i do not have a criminal record. Bros, you have to live it to understand it. And i think this is rich coming from someone who lives in a country where it's own people are unbelievably racist/tribalistic against one another. To the point where they use their prejudice to keep their country in the stone age. Black on black. White on blacks i can understand, but black on blacks? Come on. Lol.

hardbody:
So your point in summary is.......?

For the records, extra judicial killing is anathema ditto jungle justice. Police abdicating their responsibility is on its own criminal. All Nigerians in Nigeria are used to the rubbish in Nigeria right? Let assume for some minutes that they are not, what would they do?

They vote consciously and their votes are rigged, would you suggest a violent change by revolution? Is it people who have absconded to another man's country that will change the status quo?

Assume i hate all the negative things happening in this country (as i really do) so what are the options? proffer solutions not just castigate those staying here and others willing to join to find ways of creating a new Nigeria.

Again, what is your point.....?

Did you just say they vote consciously? Nigerians vote based on their stomach and greed. How else do you justify someone voting out of ignorance and collecting rice and salt before doing it. Brother, you have no clue about the country you live in and the reason this is, is because you have been immersed too long in they depravity in it. Are you sure you've ever lived in Nigeria? In half a century, you have not had one decent leader. Do you realize that mathmatically it is impossible? Based on probability, you should have had at least one president that was good. Do you know why you've had bad leaders so far? Because the people have the same mindset you have. You can't have good leaders in a nation of bad citizens because you pick leaders from the citizenry. Obviously, based on our discussion so far, Nigeria needs a total re orientation of the way they think. God help you all. I have already said on this forum many times that the best way to cure Nigeria of the status quo is to do what Jerry Rawlings did for Ghana. Ghana is better of for it today.

hardbody:
Seeking for support and quoting me out of context in the process.

I maintain there is crime and insecurity everywhere, however the degree and police response time makes the difference, plus the fact that in the western world, people are more conscious of their environment and are ever willing to help law enforcement to crack down on criminals.

I cannot say the same about Nigeria and i never did.

Are you just arguing for the sake of it?

Lol. There is no need to seek surpport. I quoted you to make sure you don't leave till your mentality changes. It will be like that till i see some semblance of change in the way you think. How anyone can defend your thought process is beyond me. Smh.

sukkot:
brah, some people will rather live in an unsafe nigeria with their dignity intact than live where they are regarded as third world inferior niggers. SOME peoples dignity and self worth is not for sale. can you understand that some peoples dignity and self worth is higher than the pseudo-comfort that can be gained in living in a western country ? or you think life is all about comfort ? people with dignity and self worth get to a certain age when living abroad when they decide enough is enough, its time to return home. its those who dont have dignity who remain forever and die there. FACTS

Some people would. That is if you are s.tupid enough to go live in another country as an illegal immigrant. I am well respected in my chosen profession and i have white, black, green, blue, people i manage and supervise. No one phucks with me because i mind my own business and obey the law. This is something most Nigerians will never understand.

hardbody:
OK. We should all relocate. Those wishing to return should stay back. Lets turn this country to a geographical entity that once existed but all its people have now relocated to advanced economies where structures put in place by 'spirits' are functioning effectively.

Point 1. My argument: Nigeria has its own share of crime, etc. It definitely is worse here than in the developed economies
Point 2. My argument: Some people are here because of their circumstances and they are not able to leave the country no matter how they wish or try
Point 3. My argument: Some people are here not because they are unable to relocate but they have chosen to stay back for some reasons
Point 4. My argument: Some people who are in the functioning economies (diaspora) still come back to settle in Nigeria despite all its stress

Your argument:

Nigeria is terrible and only insane people would relocate from diaspora back to the country and the level of depravity here is so overwhelming that every body should relocate. (In summary).

My argument is not for people to all relocate but to learn. The fact that you are arguing with me on this issue points to the fact that Nigerians don't learn nor understand the dire situation they are in at the moment. Why in the world would i want to live in a country where basic human decency is almost dead. You do understand that setting a suspect on fire just because thief is yelled out is not normal right? The scariest part is, sometimes policemen would be standing right there and would do nothing. Even scarier is the culprits would do it, stand there and take selfies and have the nerve to put on the internet. To you this might be normal but i assure you it is not. You would think that with the advent of the internet and social networking, Nigerians would not have to wait 300 years to be at the level of the west and Europe. I mean, we already know the mistakes they made na. Let me tell you a true story and i promise you this happened. My wife's brother who lives in Europe but has his family in Nigeria built a nice house in Ikorodu. Three weeks after his family moved in, Kidnappers wrote a letter and placed it by his front gate saying they need 5 million Naira in 3 weeks or else they will kill everyone they find in the house. Guess what the police told him? Pay up or move out. The police. Now, his family is living in a 3 bedroom apartment in Ajah. Meanwhile he has a house. Guy, you are used to the rubbish in Nigeria which is the reason i say Nigeria will never get better because it's people don't learn. And because you love the fact that you can do whatever you like in a lawless country because you are better off than most, points to the reason why you don't see a problem with the country. "nuff said.

ALAYORMII:
We all know that most northerners see their woman as Our President just described them



1: Kitchen


2: Living room


3: Other room

You mean most Nigerians.

spice123:
The marriage go dey boring trust me. The guy don bore hole the girl yansh finish. *myopinionthough*

By your logic, when will it not get boring? So when you marry your wife for 10 years and you "don bore hole the girl yansh finish", you'll be bored of her abi? Smh.

EternalTruths:
Take her counsel seriously.

Her counsel should have been done privately. She is only causing more disunity.

Olusola147:
Gbenu e soun!

Ode.

blazer234:
That's exactly what I'm talking about. Tell me your state and also tell me the person you voted for as governor. Then I will tell you the story of your life. Empty hypocrite.

Atlanta Georgia.

kcnwaigbo:
and the clampdown continues!!!! and some fools will still come here and tell me that chinakwe's dog is fighting corruption

Did you read the write up at all? It said he is pro biafran and writes about it. Last i checked, being pro biafran means you are a traitor in Nigeria. As far as i am concerned all bloggers in Nigeria deserve this kind of treatment especially linda ikeji. They are irresponsible and have none to zero source for the information they put out. I am all for responsible journalism and freedom of the press but the press needs to understand that they also have the responsibility to disseminate concrete information.

KingEbukasBlog:
Isn't that dangerous ? I think kids need to be protected from anything that can influence them negatively . They are very impressionable you know . Kids can be inquisitive too, you can tame their wild level of curiosity in a clever way .

Back in the day, yes you could. Today, with the kind of high speed information out there, there is no way to protect them anymore by censoring them. You have to let them know what's up from you else, someone else is going to give them that information in a way that will not be filtered. You think they don't know what pu. . . .sy, f. ..k, di.. . ck, b. ..tch means? Unless they don't go to school, or you don't have a computer or cable, then you can limit what they know. As soon as my kids could understand things, i sat them down and let them know that i know that they know these things. I tried to explain why they can't use curse words until they decide they want to when they turn 18, or engage is sexual activities. They already know. The best way is to manage how they use what they know.

blazer234:
Tell us your state and we will remind you of the story of your life

What has that got to do with all of you supporting useless people?

Doctorfitz:
Smh..so we are debating greater and lesser evil now? Pls don't jst go there oga. If the idea of racism in north america is that of a normal society or terrorism/war in the middle east or nuclear weaponization in north korea d ideal/ normal society then I wonder why I even started discussing with u entirely.

Just like you said, there are varying degrees of normality. Nigeria does not even register on the scale. Nowhere is perfect but at least normal societies try to manage the abnormality around them. In Nigeria, everything is abnormal. Everyone does orsay's whatever the puck they want. How is that normal to you?

Doctorfitz:
And did any of them come to bollinger 2 complain of unhappiness...yea my society isn't normal I told u dat earlier buh show me a society on earth that is NORMAL..or d foreign country u are in is in a UTOPIAN STATE?

It is definitely more normal than Nigeria. Again, go outside and look around you. Plus, listen to your president's comments again.

Doctorfitz:
Hahahaha,dis guy won't stop 2 amaze me..can't u talk without insults?...exposure to u nw means adopting a white man's ideology of marriage? it isn't equal to losing 1s self or ideology jst as u believe in partnership within marriage some others don't...U CAN'T IMPOSE UR IDEAS OGA its vEry painful buh its d reality.let me burst ur bubble on a final note partnership is virtual even in business there's always a form of hierarchy whether u accept it or not.......whatever two matured individuals av accepted to do within their union is all I advocate for..

Smh. You laugh at the exposure Nigeria lacks? Seriously? It is why the country is the way it is. It is also why you see nothing wrong with what he said. I don't think you understand how phucked up Nigerians think. And you can agree to do whatever with your spouse, but there are acceptable standards of treating people. You can't go about saying what your president said to the outside world. Everyone is laughing at Nigeria. I don't know why you can't understand this? Oh, i know why.

Doctorfitz:
It amazes me to see hw judgemental u are,personally I support partnership in marriage buh I can't tell d nxt man hw to run his family or judge him cos he doesnt buy my idea..I mean his marriage has outlasted d so called partnership marriages so who made u or d westerners authority on marriage? Are u God that instituted marriage..let's stop all these copy and paste mentality.do wat suits ur union

Just because you have been married thousands of years does not mean everything is fine. Even if they both agree that she is a maid, he can't go about saying that to the international community. I don't think you fully understand the ramifications of what your president said to the outside world. Nigerians are stuck in their own little world and because of this are unaware of how the rest of the world functions. You want proof? Step outside and look around you. Does your society look normal to you? Answer me this.

Doctorfitz:
U've said it ryt there,if they didn't agree they won't be married in d 1st place,so obviously she's cool with it....And Oga I say it d umpteenth time u or the westerners are not an authority in marriage u've got no right absoulutely no right whatsoever to say this is the format to follow or that is the marriage manual to follow...for obvious reasons I mentioned earlier(culture,beliefs,tradition,environment e.t.c) I'm an advocate of do watsoever makes ur union tight and strong irrespective of opinions from people like you or the west.

Show me a woman in this day and age who is cool with being called a maid. And for your information, there is nothing like culture, beliefs, tradition and environment when dealing with the international community. Nigeria is not an island and cannot just do whatever it wants as long as you go about asking for help from the international community. This is not just about marriage. It is about how you deal with fellow human beings. No one can tell another person where they belong. You can never understand it because you are not exposed to it.

pinson:
I am very disappointed by some peoples low level of understanding politics. The question is what do you expect from the wife of the president in this difficult times. If she had backed her husband and gave him a positive score about the whole situation facing his government, many politicians and ignorant people will take her opinion as inaccurate and partial.

So she acted best by trying to echo the inner voice of average Nigerians and try to be on their side. Also the president statement is 100% valid, who did Nigerians vote for? The president or the president's family. The last time I checked Aisha Buhari does not belong to any political party and was not elected by anybody so some ignorant saying equality trash should think outside of opposition box. This does not correlate with that.

Also if the president had not replied, many ignorant will lay claims of disregarding the first lady's input which they will say is a bad omen for outsiders.

The harsh truth is this, the Buharis are aware of everything you guys are trying to create something with, so you think the presidency is not aware of the so called interview before it was made or that the first lady is not aware of her husband reply before you hear about it. It is just POLITICS.

What you fail to understand is as the president's wife, she cannot afford to give statements that differ from her husbands policies. Nowhere in the world is it ever done or have i heard of it being done. If you have evidence to the contrary, please produce it. She basically called her husband a fool and he in turn called her a phuck toy and maid. What a country.

CSTR2:
Shut up, you illiterate.
Mind your Business? He is a President, you oaf. His utterances before the international community is no private business.
He just portrayed you guys as a nation of Unserious men stuck in the 17th century. I dey shame for you.

Doctorfitz is part of a growing number of Nigerians with a mentality so shocking that it leaves much to be desired. They just don't know a better way and frankly don't want to.

Doctorfitz:
U dnt get my point do u? My point is u can't define a man's definition of marriage..if u in ur home run a partnership form of marriage I decide to be a sole proprietor/one man business in my home its entirely my business..if d nxt man decides to run a public limited liability marriage where every tom dick and harry can decide wat goes on in their union its entirely his biz...u or any other person aren't authorities on hw marriage shld be or hw a man shld run his home....Remember every individual is a product of his environment,culture,tradition,beliefs e.t.c if dats buhari's ides fine as long as his partner is cool with it. I'm nt defending buhari...its almost like d issue of sexual orientation.I'm being objective here...like I said earlier ur ideas are solely urs it lies on d nxt man 2 adopt or refute

I got your point and i was trying to tell you your point is wrong. It is only in Africa/Nigeria people think like this. If you say that your way of thinking is right then look around you at the result of the way you think. Does your society seem normal to you? Even the west and Europe used to think like this but they found out it was detrimental to them economically and socially so the nixed it. It is a marriage and a partnership and no party can tell the other where they belong. They agree on roles to play and that's it (Obviously aisha does not understand her role). If they can't agree, they should not be married in the first place. People are moving forward in the way they think and do business but Nigerians seem to be stuck in the stone age and don't want to move forward. You all can see the result of this with the society you have created for yourselves.

IEDA:
i know what your problem is,it is hunger....Just relocate to ekiti,come and eat...Even the Zombies need to eat.

Nigerians deserve all the leaders they've ever had. They also deserve to suffer since they do not want to learn. Who in their right minds would approve of this?

ugolance:
What a life!! Some times the kind of politcs that emanates from this south south states makes one to ponder as to whether they are an extension of Somalia or Sudan because not even in Falluja will insurgents be killed in this manner. Smh too sad I must say!!!

You mean in Nigeria. South south is in Nigeria and this is prevalant everywhere in the country.

Doctorfitz:
Oh u no be african?u be white man?...whatever and however a man chooses to address his wife his entirely his business as long as its cool with the wife..its their union oga if u practise european style of letting ur wife run d home or even if u want ur kids 2 run ur home its entirely ur headache keep it within ur home dnt try to tell some other man hw he'll treat or address his wife that's obviously not complaining...ur ideologies or cultural background are urs no 1 gvs a hoot.if he does hate women I dnt think he'll be married to 1..I'm nt pro any party I dnt support any leader.

You better change that mentality if you want to survive in today's world. As long as you answer to the international community, that kind of talk will only get you scorn. And if you say we are a country and answer to no one, then stop collecting aid/relief/assistance from the rest of the world. It is not about letting anyone run anything. Marriage is a partnership and not a lord and serf relationship. And just because you marry a woman does not mean you like or respect women. Women are basically slaves/serfs in Nigeria. I don't think you fully comprehend what he said. No right thinking man in today's day and age would say what he said publicly. You guys had better wake up and realize that there are consequences to words and actions especially when dealing with the international community. You wonder why everyone thinks Nigerians think like apes? This is the reason.

Doctorfitz:
Odeh check ur dictionary b4 u quote me unnecessarily..And u mr.knw it all is in d best position to tell a man what he can or can't do with his wife? Misogynist is d word used check it up.

When you say "my wife belongs in my kitchen", you are basically implying you own them. You wouldn't understand because it is the African way of thinking that has been groomed into you all. In a normal society, you can't tell anyone they belong in a certain group or place. Everyone is free to do or be whatever they want. In this case, especially coming from a Nigeria man, where the dislike for women attaining certain roles, it is misogyny. There is a reason every major news outlet is not focusing on what Aisha buhari said but what your president said. They are laughing at Nigeria. Because you too mumu you will not understand.

Doctorfitz:
Cos he said his own wife not ur wife oo belongs in d kitchen he becomes a misogynist do u even knw d meaning of the word and when to use it?

I don't think you do. She is his wife not his property. Nigerians can only survive in Nigeria. Anywhere else, they'd run mad. Come and say that shiit in a normal society and see what happens to you.

dotcomnamename:
She was interviewed by the BBC and everyone including sworn wailers listened to a sound and educated first lady.Either you like or hate her she spoke her opinion of what she feels about what is going on in the country.
Thanks to God for the first educated first lady in 8yrs.
Wailers can take over from here.

You are wrong. She has an opinion yes, but, she is not the president of the country nor does she hold any political position. She is his wife and this makes her situation fragile. She cannot air what she really feels publicly when it relates to her husbands policies. I dare you to show me on youtube or anywhere on the internet where you have seen a first lady or man do what she just did. Now, because of her, she has has utterly exposed her husbands chauvinistic tendencies, taken women fight for equality back another 50 years, embarrassed herself, and has helped make Nigeria even more of a laughing stock than it was before. I can't believe the president of a country is describing his wife as a cook and phuck toy. Smh. I honestly pity Nigeria.