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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Bombblacks: 8:20am On May 29, 2022
hensben:
Country football is different. Moreover, that team consist of Madrid players too; Alonso, Ramos, Casillas, etc or didn’t you see Casillas World Cup save against Robben. Messi goals and assist return with his playmaking is what you are undermining, it seem you forget so soon.
Country football is not different. It's the same football. I said the core of that Barca team dominated world football without Messi which is true while Messi during that period was struggling with Argentina to even score goals in major competition. No single player carried peak Barca.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Bombblacks: 8:00am On May 29, 2022
hensben:
Without Messi that team will never dominate la liga the way they did, they will just be tiki taka merchant while Madrid go home with the trophies at the end of the season.
Without Messi the same core dominated world football with Spain. No single person carried peak Barca.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Bombblacks: 7:56am On May 29, 2022
hensben:
When did Messi and Salah become mate in football? Fear God Bruv.
Pep managed formidable Barca, Bayern and then money man city and yet to win ucl without messi. Pep is overrated, be truthful for once. Mou, Ancelotti are ahead of him due to the way they had their achievement.
Messi in his peak carried barca with his overall play while KLOPP tactics carries Salah. Salah was never rated before Klopp, whereas, messi was highly rated as a genius before and after pep. Spot the difference.
No single person carried peak Barca.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Bombblacks: 6:46am On May 29, 2022
OhBritannia:
grin grin grin grin Bros are you joking with the bolded right now?
How can vinicus be in the balloon 'D" or top 5?
Shuo!! Bros na wa for you o.

Do you know the FIFA world cup will still play a huge role in determining who wins balloon D or.
Remember This is a world cup year.
All benzema has to do now to win the balloon D or Is for France to get to atleast semi finals and he can Only win if Lionel Messi or Ronaldo don't win the world cup.
If either Messi or Ronaldo wins the world cup then benzema loses the balloon D or and FIFA best player trophy.

But for now the top 5 for balloon D 'or' are.
Benzema.
Mane.
Mbappe.
The rest two that will join them will be determined by the world cup.
Vinicus is a good player no doubt but balloon D 'or' is out of his reach.
World cup has nothing to with Balon dor. The ceremony is in October.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Bombblacks: 1:41am On May 29, 2022
I honestly didn't see how Trent was bad in this game.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Bombblacks: 12:47am On May 29, 2022
andrewbaba44:
Chelsea is good no doubt ,but there was no time Chelsea have been rated higher than Bayern
Chelsea this season is better than Bayern of 2015. Bayern was a mess that season.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Bombblacks: 12:16am On May 29, 2022
donstan18:
Trash
Nonsense
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Bombblacks: 12:13am On May 29, 2022
andrewbaba44:
Chelsea better than Bayern of 2015 cheesy cheesy
Yes Chelsea are better than Bayern of 205
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Bombblacks: 12:12am On May 29, 2022
donstan18:
They were all champions in their league the season that qualified them to that UCL.

And please, Bayern and Juventus of 2015>>> This Chelsea and Liverpool.
Let me repeat it for you again in case you missed it.

This Psg is better than Psg of 2015
This City is better than City of 2015
Chelsea is better than Bayern of 2015
Liverpool is better than Juventus of 2015
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Bombblacks: 12:07am On May 29, 2022
donstan18:
Barcelona 2015 was clear..

PSG
ManCity
Bayern
Juventus
This Psg is better than Psg of 2015
This City is better than City of 2015
Chelsea is better than Bayern of 2015
Liverpool is better than Juventus of 2015.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Bombblacks: 11:57pm On May 28, 2022
Very soon they will tell us Madrid didn't need Sergio Ramos to win champions league and was just carried along since they have won without him. Then when Modric leave and they win champions league again it will reach Modric turn.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Bombblacks: 10:53pm On May 28, 2022
macjireh:
KLOPP AND PEP ARE VERY AVERAGE...IF IT WERE AN ALL ENGLISH FINAL,,KLOPP,,SALAH AND MANE WILL BE FEELING LIKE KINGS...THEY MET THEIR MATCH TONIGHT
Madrid had one shot on target. Met their match indeed.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Bombblacks: 10:43am On May 28, 2022
Key Points.

- . ETH wants the transfer to happen and it is suggested that he wants the midfield sorted before the other areas.
- Move for Kante being considered. We were already offered Kante in 2020 but did not proceed further then.
- ETH admires Alvares from Ajax
- Nunez being considered for the striker position but we are not willing to pay the supposed 80 mil
- Timber and Torres mentioned as potential CBs and we supposedly are aware of exactly what it would take to bring Timber in.
- Martial, AWB, Jones, Bailly, Tuanzebe for likely sale with Telles also probably asking for a transfer
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Bombblacks: 10:40am On May 28, 2022
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Bombblacks: 11:35am On May 25, 2022
Ibime:
It's not as hard as you make out.

Government only needs to reduce access to guns by 70% to make a big difference

First criminalise sale of guns to the public. That takes new supply out the market

Offer a buyback of guns at double market rate to the citizens for an amnesty period, at the end of which possession will be criminalised.

This demand and supply dynamic will drive the price of illegal guns through the roof so that only those with financial means (and thus a level of mental stability) will be able to get hands on them.

This should take 70% of guns off the market, and stop further guns getting into the hands of new psychos with mental illness yet to reach age of maturity.

Criminals would always have guns, they do the world over, however access to people with mental health issues is too easy and too cheap at the moment. Criminals are more discriminate with their use of guns, your average 16-25 year old going through an emo episode isn't.
Buyback is never going to happen. Mandatory buy backs don't work. Didn't work in New Jersey when they were "forced" to turn in 15 round mags when they dropped the limit to 10. Didn't work in Australia the last time they did one, only a few hundred showed up. Didn't work in new Zealand when they tried to get rid of the AR15 after the mosque shooting, I dont think anyone showed up to that. I wonder where the US would get money for a buyback, though. According to the internet, there are 434 Million guns in the us; if the government offered $250 each, it would cost
$27,125,000,000 to purchase even 25% of the firearms in circulation.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Bombblacks: 8:17am On May 25, 2022
nihilistjnr:
After the dunblane massacre in 1996, the UK outlawed private ownership of all handguns, and heavily restricted access to any other types of firearms.

These days, the average citizen can only get access to kakakpo shotgun, after extensive screening, and the local police must attend your house to check your gun cabinet is secure.

We no dey get mass shootings for here.

This is not to suggest that criminals don't have guns and use them. But the chances of you being shot during a crime are extremely low.

The narrative of culture blah blah is a myth. Mad people will always exist in this world. It is only in Yankee that those mad people have access to assault rifles and high calibre rounds.
Banning Guns in America like Uk is never going to happen. America is a nation of smaller countries (states) that have the ability to tell the federal government to fuc..k off. It's not like a european country where a single body makes all the laws and therefore all law enforcement is subject to that single body. This makes implementation of these laws much easier.

In America there is the split between federal and state enforcement, and as you see states can more or less decide for themselves what they wish to do. So on a national level you will never have what you want, and in a state to state level, well this adds fuel to the fire as laws in one state mean shi..t in another, so ultimately you have states where one legally buys firearms, is legally registered nationally, goes to another state, and then suddenly influx of firearms which is perfectly legal. Like I said only changes in the culture will make less people want guns.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Bombblacks: 7:23am On May 25, 2022
donjazet:
The way americans weirdly celebrate gun culture is baffling. Another day, another mass shooting.
. lipsrsealed America for you.
Gun ownership has turned into a religion of sorts in parts of this country, to the point that people put their firearms on the same level of importance to themselves as the Bible and family members. A few years ago when I was in Catholic church, the priest had to request people stop bringing their guns to church. He said that it is a place of worship, to preach love and peace, not a place for weapons. Outlawing guns won't fix this problem though. Only changes in the culture will make less people want guns. Extremely strict laws will just drive the illegal gun market and create more problems, like Prohibition did.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Bombblacks: 1:55pm On May 24, 2022
Capaldi:
[Florian Plettenberg] "News #Mané: He can really imagine to join #FCBayern this summer! There is movement in talks with the player and his management. Next 3-4 weeks are decisive. Nagelsmann & Brazzo want him. Transfer fee probably less than €50m. @SkySportDE #TransferUpdate"
Liverpool are going to lose both Mane and Salah.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Bombblacks: 10:55am On May 23, 2022
Transcript of interview

Erik, welcome to Manchester United. How do you feel about starting this new chapter in your career?

“I would say the word 'exciting'. I really look forward to doing this job, at this club with massive history, and we want to restore it where it belongs.”

What excites you most about this opportunity of managing this club?

“I think many [reasons]. First of all, we want to make the fans proud. Second, of course we are in this moment, the current situation is obviously not that good. It’s a big challenge. I want to build and construct a team who are battling for each other, who are unified and who will get results. Also we are playing in the Theatre of Dreams. We want to entertain. But in the end, the intention is to play fantastic football. If we can’t play fantastic football, we still have to win.”

It was only last week your last game at Ajax, and you’re already here in England. What made you want to come so quickly? You didn’t take a break, you literally came straight after finishing with Ajax…

“Before a season, you have to prepare and when you are in a club, I will say it’s a continual process. You’re working on next season and still you are in the current season. But we didn’t have that time now, and now we close the season and I’m coming over to meet people and to roll out the strategy, to prepare pre-season, prepare staff and prepare a squad.”

There was a lot of people who really liked your long-term vision for this football club. What can you share with us about what you see in the future for Manchester United?

“It’s first: accept the current situation but also know one year ago, this club, this team was second in the Premier League. There’s potential and now it’s up to us to get that out. It’s a process, it will take time but I’m convinced we will come to that point where we get success. We have to work hard and it has to be based on the right philosophy and strategy.”

In terms of the short term, then, what are you seeing happening in the next few weeks?

“First, we have a break. We will start pre-season on 27 June and I will get a few of the squad, [a few] of the individual players. In certain positions we want to renew the squad, but as I said, one year ago, this squad was second in the league, so there is potential and I’m really looking forward to co-operating with the squad.”

Well speaking of the players then, how much are you looking forward to getting to know them and working with them closely as well?

“That is really exciting. Also for me, of course, it’s new. I was at Ajax for a long time: four-and-a-half years. We had a great time, but now it’s a new start also for me and we have to build it up from the bottom, on zero. I have to build, starting a new relationship with the squad, with my players.”

How important is it, then, for the players to make sure they impress you over the summer and to get the best out of the squad that you’ve got?

“That is what I expect. I have high expectations from myself and that is also what I demand from my squad. They have to co-operate together and they have to give every day their best. And I would say, for me, good is not good enough. We have to do better.”

In terms of a couple of the players, we’ve got a few players who used to be at Manchester United who have links to Ajax. One is Edwin van der Sar, who is a United legend and also an Ajax legend. What have you said with him about joining Manchester United?

“Yeah, we had some conversations about it. Actually, he was the first one I told that I’d be leaving Ajax and would go to Manchester United. I think in his emotion he’s still Manchester United. He’s a fan: he’s the biggest fan, maybe yeah? Especially in Ajax. But he has to lead Ajax in this moment and I’m sure he will always support Manchester United and he will support me, as long as we are not playing against Ajax.”

It could happen though, couldn’t it?

“I hope [so], because that will tell us we are in the Champions League! We have to return as quickly as possible to that competition.”

There’s been a long line of former Dutch players and managers here. How excited are you to continue that legacy at this club?

“Yeah, I have to do my best and I will give everything, every day. Every day I will go to the maximum that I have, so hopefully I can continue that legacy.”

Manchester United is a club with such rich history. Are you looking forward to learning more about that when you go to Old Trafford and the training complex and just seeing how it all works there?

“Of course. I know the history of Man United, I know the big times and the audience, the vibe that can be around Old Trafford. I watched them in their big times, when Sir Alex Ferguson was manager, during the really successful times when they won titles and were dominating Europe. But also before Sir Alex, Man United was a really big club and I know names like Busby and Charlton that gave Man United a presence to the outside world from winning, and winning in a spectacular way, winning so they entertain people. What stays with me is there was always a fighting culture. They fight together and they get success.”

You’ve never played Man United before, but have you been to a game at Old Trafford?

“No.”

Are you looking forward to going for the first time?

“Of course. I just mentioned the vibe that’s in the stadium. Of course I want to get that experience. The fans behind the ambience at Old Trafford… it would be fabulous and I’m really looking forward to getting that experience.”

What will it be like for you when you first walk out that tunnel and you see those 70,000 fans ready to welcome you to Old Trafford?

“I don’t know! [laughs] We have to wait for that moment. What they can expect is that I will give my best. I will give everything necessary to get Man United back where they belong.”

Was it always an aspiration of yours to manage in the Premier League?

“I’m not a dreamer. I live by the day. I give my best and I make my decisions based on clearness and logic. We need a good concept and we need the right people around. When we give everything we have, every day, then we will get success. Then you see where you end up. Live by the day and focus on titles and don’t dream about other things that can happen in the future.”

One of the things Manchester United is known for is its fanbase and a worldwide fanbase. How excited are you to get to know the fans and for the fans to get to know you as well?

“I’ve been aware of the massive presence and the massive audience around Man United. It’s all over the world, so I’ve been aware, and I will do my best and take responsibility to deliver them the success they need.”

Let us talk about Ajax as it’s still fresh from winning the league a couple of weeks ago. How important was it for you to sign off your season at Ajax by winning the league?

“It’s all about that. It’s all about winning titles. When you start a project, what we did in Ajax, the project was I had to make Ajax Europe-proof, and we wanted to be back on top in Holland. When I started PSV was on top, and we changed it. In the last four years, we were the number one continually. I’m happy and satisfied that we achieved that purpose. It was important also to finish in my last season as number one. There was PSV and also Feyenoord who were huge competitors, but finally we won the battle and I’m very happy about that.”

For you, what was your greatest achievement at Ajax in your four years there?

“It’s difficult to choose as you are continually number one, but our journeys in Europe were magnificent. I really enjoyed it and in my first whole season we achieved a semi-final and I think that was the best performance. I think it was a really good performance because it’s not that easy for a club in Holland, not a big league, to compete with the European top clubs. We did and we had some magnificent results. Finally, we were short before the final but it was a magnificent journey we had and the football we played we really enjoyed it, and I believe also the audience in Europe they enjoyed it.”

Is there a game then in particular that you look back on and feel that is exactly how you wanted your team to play?

“Of course there are, but you never can compare teams. The way we did it – with dominant, dictating football – that is the way I want to act in Man United as well. But finally the competence and the quality of the people – so the players – decide how you have to play.”

Do you find that when teams come to Ajax, when they play Ajax, it’s a little bit like a cup final? When teams come to Old Trafford, they play against Man United, it’s a big occasion. Did you see that as well when you were managing Ajax?

“I think that’s the comparison. I have been in Bayern Munich, I have been in Ajax and now I come to Man United. I know our opponents are highly motivated, they are over-motivated to beat Man United and we have to be ready for that. To go and win that battle. Even if they are over-motivated, we have to be more. We always have to be more willing to win the game than the opponent.”

There are quite a lot of similarities between Ajax and United in the sense of bringing younger players through the system, a commitment to attacking football... there’s a big legacy behind both clubs as well. Did you feel the similarities are there when you [agreed to] join Manchester United?

“Yes. Already in your question before, there is a similarity with opponents being highly motivated but also the attacking football. We are playing in the Theatre of Dreams and have to entertain the opponent. We are playing in the opponent’s half and we have to do attacking football. We have to do the pressing, the total high-pressing – that is a similarity also – and the adventurous football. Also Ajax has that history of bringing young talents into the first team.”

Ajax and United are both teams with very clear identities as clubs, but how important is it for you to bring your footballing philosophy to Manchester United?

“We don’t have to go over my football. It’s about the Man United football and about the Man United identity and philosophy. I think that you pointed it out: it has to be about attacking football. We have to bring structures in the way of playing, so we can play attacking football.”

You described Ajax as a fighting machine. Is that how you want to build this United team as well?

“Always. Everywhere I was in my career, I have high demands on my players. I expect them to fight and give 100 per cent. I already mentioned that only good is good enough. No, not only that – we have to do better and they have to co-operate. They have to be unified, to form a team, and to battle the opponent.”
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Bombblacks: 10:52am On May 22, 2022
Amoto94:
La Liga should go and sit down after enjoying monopoly breaking transfer records over a long period of time they're now complaining to UEFA for the thing their clubs initiated. One thing about bad behavior is that you can initiate it but you can't control its growth.
You are still amongst those typing out of ignorance.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Bombblacks: 10:38am On May 22, 2022
NinjaXmetahuman:
small clubs should also write to fa and tell them to sanction all the big clubs in Europe cos they are using their money to steal players from smaller clubs.

Or how is it fair to them?
It seems most of you are ignorant on why la Liga Fa is complaining to Uefa about Psg.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Bombblacks: 9:42pm On May 21, 2022
EmmanuelScott1:
their owner is part of the committee in UEFA grin grin, difficult imo
Their owner is not part of Uefa. If the rest Fa force fifa and Uefa, decisive actions will be taken.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Bombblacks: 9:32pm On May 21, 2022
EmmanuelScott1:
But honestly, PSG need to be investigated, their players wage bill is higher, only messi,. Neymar and mbappe 3 years wages can assemble a full squad with balance remaining grin grin
English fa needs to join hand with La Liga. Spanish Fa are the only calling them out for a long time now.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Bombblacks: 9:16pm On May 21, 2022
BlueMann:
La Liga reporting PSG to UEFA lol grin
Different European leagues FA should be the doing the same.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Bombblacks: 9:15pm On May 21, 2022
andrewbaba44:
Manchester United let Pogba join juventus for free in 2012 ,Then juve sold him back to united for 105 million euros in 2016 ,he might just return there for free again this 2022 cheesy cheesy
Should I clap for you or what?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Bombblacks: 1:06am On May 21, 2022
Pogba to Juventus is done.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Bombblacks: 9:53pm On May 20, 2022
Havertz10:
common ibime, everybody knows that Russia removed dollar from its sovereign wealth fund and had been offloading all its foreign reserves in dollars for years, it has been buying gold, it’s one of the reasons people say that Putin thought about these sanctions prior to the invasion

besides western nation seized more than 300billion in external held reserves from Russia after the invasion, amusingly American did the same thing to Afghanistan took their money and said that they will use it to pay 911 families but that is neither here nor there, gist basically is i’m sure that the screenshot you keep posting is old and assertions that Russians are suffering is misleading
Go and listen to what Russia central bank had to say and Inflation in Russia is already running at 20% and the real sh..it hasn't even arrived.

"Additionally, Russians will have to accept their loss of purchasing power. For the time being, the Central Bank will not attempt to compensate for inflation. “We will not attempt to reduce it in any way, because that would stop companies from adapting. Restoring the supply of imported components is more difficult and expensive, and it will inevitably affect the price of the final product,” she explained."

No Central Bank support, and the "real" value of the ruble being a fraction of what the propped-up price is, is going to result in hyper-inflation that could rival post WW1 Germany.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Bombblacks: 9:34pm On May 20, 2022
America’s economy has crashed and it has been crashing for years. The Media just refuses to report on it and a lot of people are trying to desperately hold on to the illusion everything is getting better.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Bombblacks: 9:31pm On May 20, 2022
GloryIsaac:
If the report is true, it’s says a lot about the extremely poor quality of football advisors at the club.

Imagine giving a 23yr old who just wants to play football and taste European success such tremendous amount of power. Even Mbappé will be amazed and confused at their desperation.
It's a fake rumor already shut down by various reputable journalist.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Bombblacks: 9:16am On May 20, 2022
Havertz10:
I like him, pains me that he allowed that rodent to get to him, watch as British press will use this issue to attack him and ultimately undermine all the efforts that he has put in this season, I hope that his punishment isn’t severe, he is one man that deserves all his plaudits , not that clueless British pig at Everton
Plaudits for what exactly? He is on track to get only 1 extra point than finished dinosaur Hodgson had last season with a better squad.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Bombblacks: 12:16pm On May 15, 2022
Ellexy:
Well to be fair not all. There are some of them that don't reason like that, I think where one is raised helps to shape the mindset and ideology of how one perceives and judges things.

Nevertheless, I understand the sentiments behind what you said, yet it's not accurate.
All Muslims who believe and follow the Quran word for word are potential terrorist and killers. Some are just better at hiding it until the occasion calls for it. The Quran basically calls on Muslims to kill people of other faith as they are infidels.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Bombblacks: 11:07am On May 15, 2022
Havertz10:
cute, because your god doesn’t instill enough conviction in you to fight his battles, you are questioning the convictions of another man’s beliefs

At the end of the day this discussion boils down to the fact that while Christians like to claim that both the Islamic god and their god are the same, you people still have this condescending view of Islamic god and their beliefs

Hence their need to violently remind you guys to remain in your space
Christians and Muslims don't worship the same God. Don't ever make that mistakes ever again. Your deep hatred for Christianity is always clouding your judgement. Atheist are another sect of people with fanatical hatred.

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