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Raymondenyi:
I feel so annoyed & angered when I see idi*oits like this 4 ooh, coming here 2 give pictures & paint scenarios of what he does not even know d story, u seem 2 me so clueless I just couldn't comment without allowing u have a taste of d bitterness 4rm me .....

FYI Ghani was never treated 4 typhoid (it was a case of misled diagnosis, yes he was treated f recurrent chest infection) let's keep dat aside & take d blame, d doctor was wrong, but why did u skip d case of d most recent, madam Dora Akuyili, that was diagnosed here of early cancer of d cervix, but she tossed it as local (I believe as most Nigerians do ) went outside were she was misdiagnosed , of course till it got to d sorry state, of which she died.... Ohhhh! That is not news 2 u... because it was done by d God like westerners ....

We re our own problem... until we begin 2 see our own like our own & begin 2 appreciate it as ours, & acclaim it, we shall continue 2 be looked as inferior 4rm d outside world.... D same problem nigeria is facing today...

Need I ask, medical mistakes & complications happen everywhere in this world... from US, 2 is real 2 UK, anywhere u mention.... there was a case of a US doctor that did a surgery & forgot some thing in d patients abdomen, of course d hospital paid heavily 4 it ..... but this things happen, it is not in anyway peculiar 2 Nigeria

um . . . . . . . .sorry
u seem to mistake me 4 someone or an idiot according 2 u who gives a flying f*u*ck about whether foreigners know how clueless, inferior & crappy Nigerian trained doctors are(u & ur lot are indeed crappy, inferior & clueless), u also mistake me 4 someone who gives a diving f*u*ck about how irate, angry & bitter u Nigerian trained doctors are feeling right now & need i add, i don't give a sinking f*u*ck about what u think about me or my opinions so just hush ur shyte hole of a buccal cavity.

Maybe u should have asked if i cared first & saved urself d trouble.

On d flip side, if me or mine are sick & 2 poor that we are limited 2 seeking out d services of u & ur ilk, u can misdiagnose us, kill us & have ur revenge because that is what ur NMA licence is.......d licence 2 kill without repercurssions.

Until you've lost family or friends 2 d unproffesional & duncehead Nigerian trained doctors like i have, don't expect me 2 like & appreciate ur lot , or maybe u are high on cheap weed 2 be expecting that 4rm me so don't u dare come here routing 4 or expecting me 2 rout 4 ur mudering bozo's club members or even contradict me, don't make my hatred of ur lot a lot more personal than it already is.

So, Gani Fawehimi was being treated 4 chest infection uhn? , not typhoid? I guess he lied & yet, i know u won't be baffled if i'll readily believe his account over urs afterall, he had a track record of honesty & ur killer gang lie frequently 2 protect each other & cover ur ineptitudes.

So, Dora Akinluyi was diagnosed of cervical cancer here in Nigeria by a Nigerian doctor? Well, i could be wrong, but i'll bet my money that that doctor had some element of foreign exposure or some aspect of his/her training abroad. And yet, i won't blame her 4 disregarding that diagnosis & seeking a 2nd opinion even if it led 2 her death, put in her shoes, i'll do d same because Nigerian doctors have an oh so good reputation no thanks 2 d Nigerian trained majority of d NMA membership.

And how relieved u must be 2 find out that not only Nigerian doctors commit blunders, u were gleefully recounting how a doctor forgot a rag or something inside a patients cavity during an operation as a pointer 2 d fact that non-Nigerians aren't infallible either, well @ least u didn't call it misdiagnosis, mis-medication or d list of things ur club members excel @ & also as u rightly mentioned, d hospital would pay a hefty fine & u forgot 2 add certain things like
1 - the doctor involved would loose his/her job.
2 - pending futher investigations, d said doctor could loose his/her licence.
3 - AND THE PATIENT DIDN'T DIE.
4 - u loose ur medical licence 4 issues like misdiagnosis abroad, especially when it leads 2 loss of function &/or death.

So tell me, is d doctor who u so kindly admitted misdiagnosed Gani Fawehimi still practicing medicine? Has he/she lost his/her licence? What of d doctors who have misdiagnosed, mistreated & by extension killed hundreds of thousands of voiceless Nigerians who didn't have a voice like Gani Fawehimi? Are they still practicing with their licences? Has any malpractice suit been filed against them succesfully? Has any hefty fine been paid 2 a victims family before?
So you'll forgive me if i dont
1 - like,
2 - appreciate &
3 - acclaim u & ur lot who i'll vehemently deny calling my or our own or wait!. . . . . .i take that back, don't forgive me at all, i'll rather u pick up a broom & sweep out d quacks & incompetent majority so that d competent ones can receive d acclaim they deserve.

Dnaz:
U had malaria and d doctor got d diagnosis right so what is ur problem. U walk into a doctor's office and expect him to automatically know what is wrong with u without asking questions, please do u think u came to see a native doctor ? We live in d tropics so 90% of fevers is due to malaria, but you want him to run tests that u cannot even afford. Later u curse him for billing you too much. It's people like you that get deceived by the quacks who use computers to ascribed funny diseases to people. Diagnosis involves history, physical examination and then investigation in that order but u want him to jump to the third. I am tired of Nigerian patients. U call ur Nigerian trained doctors quacks only to run abroad and be treated by the same Nigerian trained doctors. Pathetic nation

boo hoo hoo!!
Remember Gani fawehimi?
Yes that late human rights lawyer of blessed memory? Remember he was diagnosed and being medicated for typhoid fever for 16 years? That is, until he went abroad for a 2nd opinion and found out that he was in the terminal stages of cancer and only had a few months left to live? Remember how angry he was? Now refresh my memory, was the doctor who diagnosed and treated him for typhoid Nigerian trained? Maybe you know him/her.
Treated abroad by Nigerian trained doctors my foot!! Nigerian yes, Nigerian trained? Definitely No!! And therein lies the important difference. This post might be sarcastic but it doesn't make the issues raised untrue or unreal. So until there are fewer quacks in your proffesion, all of you will be ascribe that Tag.
Plus, you need to work on your sense of

InvertedHammer:
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Chicken coming home to roost.

Btw, the bolded statement tells all there is to tell as well.

Death was already knocking at his doorstep.


"We squander health
In search of wealth;

We scheme and toil, and save,

Then squander wealth
In search of health;

And all we get is the grave;

We live and boast of what we own;
We die . . . and only get a stone."....Anonymous


/

Now this, I can quote without any emotion, well, I guess an inverted hammer drives the nail in faster and straight to the point

kayciano:
D Doctor is never culpable until proven otherwise..
1)we need to hear from the med. Doc as well.

2)Any stage 4 cancer has already metastasized except for a few that respond to chemotherapy...

3)Most stage 4 or terminal stages eventually give up.

4)D Med. doctor/ consultant can't afford to make mistakes considering his DIGNITY and EMINENT Nigerians involved....


5)Most eminent Nigerians have LOST their wives to BREAST CANCERs even ABROAD..
So at this stage(4) is beyond having an Ambulance..

6)Cancer is very DEBILITATING...so at this stage(4) most patients are usually DEPRESSED and opt for suicide or mercy killing....MOST ho through EXCRUCIATING PAIN..
MOST CANCERS are worse than HIV..

7) Above all NO ONE IS ABOVE MISTAKES...not even the WHITE DOCTOR dat. Operated upon CHIEF STELLA OBJ..
RIP...take heart..

Taaaaaa!!! Ma guy
Park well
Everything else i'll agree on with you but No 4, guy! .......guy! ..............guuuyyy!!!
Shey na mars u come from? Because e be like say e don tail u live for Naija oh!

doxime:
This old man is talking bul.shit.
Is it the doctor's responsibilty to take your son to UNTH or he doesn't know the road to UNTH.
i know that most of these politicians if and when they decide to patronize our health care, usually seek for the best and would prefer to be treated privately by the doctor.

Bullshyte u say
Right!!!!!!
Did you notice that the said doctor was the consultant oncologist at UNTH? i.e authority on all matters relating to cancer? So if he refers him to his own less equipped hospital, who is he to say no? Afterall, the doctor was supposedly giving him (the deceased) sound and ethical medical advice devoid of personal profit with the patients health being the only factor being considered here............only, that wasn't the case and now, the young man is dead.
If you make an argument for the patient being an end stage cancer patient, i'll be more inclined to listen to you and ask the oncologist for his own side of the story and also request that the patient's medical records be produced so we can analyse the actions of the oncologist up to the moment the young man died in his hospital so that we'll know if or not he is culpable in his death as is only fair i think because this may save other peoples lives and/or make or mar this oncologists career.

NairaMode:
Sorry. You have also experienced the challenges we ordinary citizens face daily.
God bless the dead.

For example;
You get shot unjustly and you are taken to the police station without the bullet removed. You may spend weeks there cleaning your wound by the police nurse and you may lose the leg.
You get to a hospital and you are not attended too because you don't have cash.
You may also get to a hospital and the doctors shout at you or do not take proper care of you because they feel you are a nobody.
Ordinary citizens are really suffering. Most especially in the rural areas where there are bad roads for ambulances to take the sick to the hospital.
No electricity etc.
I also remember a family of mine was operated without electricity at a critical situation without proper equipments just to save her life.

Dear senator, I feel for you but more strongly I feel for the poor people who die daily because of this so called negligence by the government, the hospitals and the ministry of health.

The issue here is how Nigerian doctors callously waste human lives on the altar of greed and also due to unprofessionalism this has nothing to do with the government so let's call a spade a spade.
Did the government tell the doctor to divert patients to his ill equipped hospital ? Why must you always blame the government or didn't you read through the article well enough to understand that the government hospital (UNTH) had the facilities that would have saved the young mans life? But instead the doctor diverted him to his own hospital for financial gain just as they divert drugs and other supplies they can get away with to their own private facilities.
This is a classic example of unethical and unprofessional conduct and as usual, you blame the government instead of the criminal doctor or have you all forgotten how Gani fawehimi died? [I]Or are you waiting until someone you know or love is killed by a Nigerian doctor before you start holding doctors to account?[/i]
The law allows us to hold them to account for your information and doctors are not tin gods so unless you start exercising your rights to proper, professional and competent healthcare, you'll all continue dying like chickens

BetaThings:
Let us do it

First move is yours

nagoma:
Arabic doesn't mean Islamic dumbo. Arabs knew Christ in person and millions of Arabs were Christians when your ancestors were living on trees and intermarrying with monkeys.

And fast foward to today wiseass, the descendants of these all so superior arabs who knew Christ in person evolved into baby girls fucking paedophiles, very ignorant and intolerant islamic fanatics(with pakistan as the shining beacon), pro and pseudo terrorist/actual terrorists (majority of ISIS fighters were born and brought up in Europe afterall) and what not busily setting the standards and blazing the trail in everything negative by modern standards while we are............we are, well, our ancestors lived on trees and married monkeys afterall, plus, we make no claims to being superior but we chose not to follow your standards so NO ARABIC CHIKENA!

nagoma:
No but is closer to you historically than English which came thru conquest .

Oh! and usman, son of dan fodio came through peace right?

I didn't think so

Oduduwaboy:
Mehhhhn, this chap is real bitter! Pray he doesnt lay his paws on a pistol, else he will lay some doctors low tonight!!

Oduduwaboy:
You still sound so bitter. Is your name Yoyo bitters?

Kcinho:
Braniac sounds like manic after all

Oduduwaboy:
You still sound so bitter. Is your name Yoyo bitters?

Lo and behold. I present to you our most esteemed Nigerian trained doctors and doctors to be ..............present them with a question they can't answer, instead of the honest reply "I DON'T KNOW", they'll trade insults instead, bottomline is, if you can't afford to travel out for medical checkups and treatment, DON'T FALL SICK or you'll most likely be treated to death by one of the above mentioned quacks a word is enough for the wise

Oduduwaboy:
Mehhhhn, this chap is real bitter! Pray he doesnt lay his paws on a pistol, else he will lay some doctors low tonight!!

Oduduwaboy:
You still sound so bitter. Is your name Yoyo bitters?

Kcinho:
Braniac sounds like manic after all

Oduduwaboy:
You still sound so bitter. Is your name Yoyo bitters?

Lo and behold. I present to you our most esteemed Nigerian trained doctors and doctors to be ..............present them with a question they can't answer, instead of the honest reply "I DON'T KNOW", they'll trade insults instead, bottomline is, if you can't afford to travel out for medical checkups and treatment, DON'T FALL SICK or you'll most likely be treated to death by one of the above mentioned quacks [b]a word is enough for the wise[/B]

Oduduwaboy:
Mehhhhn, this chap is real bitter! Pray he doesnt lay his paws on a pistol, else he will lay some doctors low tonight!!

Oduduwaboy:
You still sound so bitter. Is your name Yoyo bitters?

Kcinho:
Braniac sounds like manic after all

Oduduwaboy:
You still sound so bitter. Is your name Yoyo bitters?

Lo and behold. I present to you our most esteemed Nigerian trained doctors and doctors to be ..............present them with a question they can't answer, instead of the honest reply "I DON'T KNOW", they'll trade insults instead, bottomline is, if you can't afford to travel out for medical checkups and treatment, DON'T FALL SICK or you'll most likely be treated to death by one of the above mentioned quacks [b][I]a word is enough for the wise[/i][/B]

deliveryboy:
That means we may need to remove symbols like wigs used by judges in court, also, we should remove the eagle symbol in the coat of arms because they all have roots in the church.

You're kidding right?
While you're at that, kindly demolish and rebuild the National assembly building and Aso villa for having mosque like domes and demolish all mosques built and attached to federal parastatals.
Next move is yours......................
Plus, I can make an argument for islam having it's. roots in judeo-christianity.

jude33084:
But English is foreign?

Should they also remove it?

Ya it's foreign

It's also official

jossi994:
Why do some people bristle at mention of GMB presidency? at the moment there is no more eminently qualified Nigerian on the presidential contest of any party or envisage one that can match him. find his antecedents ; (this is borrowed by the way) , I write this because of millions of Nigerians who are below 30 and who
constitute a significant chunk of our voting population.
This is the ICT generation that is largely ignorant about the events of the
Buhari era (1983-85) and so can be misinformed and misled by needless
propaganda. I have sat with many in the under-30 bracket and those slightly
above who only have faint recollections of the Buhari era and the level of
ignorance about that era is amazing.
Before being MILITARY Head of State,Buhari had been Governor of one of
the Northern States (under Obasanjo’s Military government) as well as
Minister for Petroleum. He later served as Chairman of PTF under Abacha.
Please consider the following unassailable facts:
•He birthed and supervised the establishment of our existing refineries.
•There was no religious crisis while he was Head of State. It started under his
successor IBB!
•In his time as Head of State he reduced inflation from 23% to 4%, by fiscal
discipline and a homegrown economic team (not achieved under any other
era, even military).
•JJ Rawlings of Ghana took over 2yrs before him, and killed all the corrupt
leaders, while Buhari only sentenced the corrupt leaders here to prison.
•Under his watch as PTF Chairman,what he did in road construction in that
short period hasn't been matched by12yrs of the PDP.
•Hospitals and universities around the country never witnessed as much
benefits as they got from the PTF from any government after or before his
time.
•Despite serving in senior capacity in the oil sector, first as Minister for
Petroleum and then Petroleum Trust Fund, Buhari has no petrol station,
much less a rig, refinery or an oil block like so many of our leaders.
•He could have retired into nauseating opulence like an IBB or Danjuma or
even OBJ but didn't.
•Instead of hobnobbing with the high and mighty, he has cast his lot with the
ordinary man most of who follow him out of hope and belief in his values.
People who know him have said of him... "All I need from Buhari is his
word, I can take it to the bank".
•He is the only politician in the North today who fills rallies without renting a
crowd. The Kaduna rally of 2nd March is eloquent proof!
•He refused to collect an allowance while serving as Chairman of the PTF
because he said since he was already drawing a pension from government,
his conscience would not allow him to draw another salary from the purse
of the same government.
•He is the only former head of state that does not own property or land in
Abuja .
•Every attempt to rubbish him through probes in time past eneded up
vindicating him! The man who was asked by OBJ to take over the running
of PTF before it was scrapped with the
aim of probing and indicting Buhari, was the
one who ended up being prosecuted for misappropriating $100m of PTF
funds! Buhari again, was vindicated
•He has OPENLY challenged those who accuse him of religious fundamentalism
to come out and show proof. No one has till today, taken up the challenge.
His personal driver of many years is a Christian from Plateau State !
•His government initiated the War Against Indiscipline that has made
environmental cleanliness, queuing up, not urinating by the roadside etc
features of our national life even till today Does it then surprise you why
corrupt people would be spreading such heinous rumours about Buhari?
He is a threat to them and they know what he is capable of doing to
corruption and corrupt people when he comes into office! So shine your eyes and make
the right decision. If honesty, trust, integrity, sincerity, dedication and probity are the things you want forNigeria ,now is the time to choose

Are you done ranting?
Methinks you like the sound of your own voice irrespective of how ugly it sounds...
Anyway, since you claim to be educating us, how about we spoonfeed you your own medicine?
As agreed, its "back to school" for you, so where is proffesor datole? Because i'll honestly admit my inability at being able to re-educate an ignoramus of your calibre [I]proffesor datole! Proffesor datole!![/i] we have another Nigerian sufferer of logical and ideological myopism, please leave your sabbatical and come help him out.








































Hopefully you've or should have or be able to at least learn/learned a few things to correct your misconceptions afterall, there is no cure for ignorance like truth and facts and next time don't come spewing falsehoods hoping that ppl are too gullible to know better and/or too lazy to try to find out the truth.

Kcinho:
Since you can't stop hating, pls can you stop barking?

Also, since you're so daft to the point of being unable to recognise when the word "HATER" is being used in irony, i'll appreciate it if you don't quote me anymore. Kappish?

Kcinho:
Since you can't stop hating, pls can you stop barking?

Oh About the barking..................
...................That mIght be.............
................That most definitely is....
............Um......um..........um.........
...........How do i put this?.............
Remember your recent vacation @ yaba psyche?
Remember those voices you used to hear in your head?
Remember how you made me promIse you an extended vacation if you started hearing voices again?
How about I make good on that promise uhn? What say you? .............that's a good boy, now go pack up and get ready for the trip......YOU'RE GOING TO YABA PSYCHE!!!! Yay!! isn't that fun? Your favourite suit has been booked for you in ward 1, yaba psyche grand hotel and I'll buy you a lot of your favourite treats.........prozaic and propofol.

Tony50:
@braniacX.....please tell it to us.. on what basis and evidence do u place your points. or you are one of the other rigid Nigerians that talk because others talk..."99% failed abroad exams"....which year? which board examination?.... any who reads your post will know that you are just a pained inferiority-complexed individual looking for the dotty chance to spell out your emotionally-oriented sentiments and understatements....lemme define #hating/hatred for u..."its a vice that curiously takes you from your path to another party's path in order to squeeze out faults form the party doings"....all these will only stagnate u...come off it.....stop hating....

You started with the right questions and I was inclined to provide you with answers then I saw the end, so help yourself, a little bit of research won't hurt you afterall, don't you folks blab a lot about how studious you are? Also, don't worry about me hating, just excel at your profession and make a name for yourself and your country and then even a hater like me would be forced to clap for you too.

Oduduwaboy:
Mehhhhn, this chap is real bitter! Pray he doesnt lay his paws on a pistol, else he will lay some doctors low tonight!!

Might as well start with my gf, next my sis, next my cousin so don't worry got a lot of family, friends and folks i'll have to kill before I get to you so by my estimates you got @ least 10 years before you die so use them well, travel out, improve yourself and make a mark before I come to end you.

elobyobi:
Don't start hating the prefix o. Some optometrists answer "doctor" too. I met one when I was serving to complain about my tummy. Let's just say I was disappointed in the end

Not some, all optometrists answer it but fact is, they don't have to deal with life and death situations do they? So forgive me if your incompetence irks me more than theirs. I answer the prefix too but I have been oriented to see it as a challenge to live up to everyday and not as the summit of my life's achievements.

Kcinho:
The above is a definition of bitterness. I'm sorry the reality hit after you got in. Your type can't be schooled. Maybe that was the reason you couldn't get into med. school. You should be proud of what you ended up with instead of hauling insults and bringing up lies just to get a little satisfaction. Ophthalmology is here to stay and there is Nothing you can do about it. I'll advice you relax and assist them when necessary.

Hahahahahahaha! Yours is the funniest of them all, seriously? Get into med school? In Nigeria? And end up like you? I don't think so.
Re: who the hell says ophthalmology should go? Are you in touch with reality or something? Hahahahahahahaha! and of course am relaxing and assisting my ophthalmologist colleague only am picky about who to assist and who to torment over his\her ineptitude if you get my gist.......

Also, with all these hot air you guys are blowing, I can see you're artfully dodging my request for your syllabus and I can understand why, maybe like my gf, sis and cousin you went through it and was like OH SHIT!!, we're being taught same old crap as was being taught 30 years ago so the question you should ask yourself is why has medicine and surgery in Nigeria been watered down and made relatively easy? Is it because your professors and their friends and cronies want their children and grandchildren to have the prefix doctor without actually being one in practical sense?
I called my family and friends incompetent and quacks first, so who are you that I should spare you?

agabaI23:
My brother, I expected to see a strong rebuttal when I saw the title of the topic only to beconfronted with subjective reasoning that lacks merit on clicking the link. They should try harder.

Bros!! You can only give what you have, what they don't have is a strong defence against a good argument and that's exactly what they can't give.

queven:
Wow...this is indeed a very wonderful post ...change...that's all we want ..

There was change in egypt.
There was change in iraq.
There was change in libya.
There was attempted change in syria.
Change is being attempted in ukraine as we speak.
Or do you still need me to spell it out for you? Do you need a sage to point it out to you that change for the sake of change is not only dangerous but also retrogressive.

Be careful what you wish for because if you get it, you might discover too late that you never wanted it.

Personally, am not against change so long as it is for the better and you can't tell me that a party that is a glorified relaunch pad for embittered and aggrieved ex ruling party members is the change that you are proposing.
Afterall, if an officer abandons his captain and ship in the midst of a stormy sea to join and offer his services to a rival ship and captain, such can't convince me that his/her new ship should be the flagship of that armada when his/her abandoned ship is still afloat.

agabaI23:
If you were trying to counter this thread https://www.nairaland.com/1983506/many-lies-buhari-apc-supporters, you have done a poor job at that my dear.

Hahahahahahahahahaha! aaaw! Cmon you had to post the link too? Not fair!! Now everyone will be able to have access to the truth on lies being spewed by buhari rebranders and witness barcanister a.k.a APC gladiator being taken to the cleaners by datolee in a debate that was incise, revealing, factual and very importantly, devoid of insults and recriminations...Cmon!! dat's just cruel

@ barcanista, seriously U seriously had to comment on this substandard rebuttal thread after your valiant but doomed struggle against datolee in the aforementioned thread which resulted in your epic fail? Seriously? Or are you just taking consolation from wherever you can get it? I expected you to be too engrossed in research by now to avoid another epic fail instead of commenting on this trash because your struggles against datolee showed me that at least, as pro-buhari e-warriors come, you are more refined and classier than this bunch.......................don't change that.

@O.P, am tempted to call this trash to your face but instead I'll say everything you said falls under the domain of personal opinion since it obviously lacks content and topical issues and also, since you're entitled to your opinion in this liberal democracy of ours, I'll advice you to express it judiciously as rights to opinions have different interpretations under different types of Democratic regimes..............in between the lines, I'll like to believe you're smart enough to get my meaning.

Kcinho:
So optometry in Nigeria uses standard curriculum Abi. You have failed to understand that medical students in Nigeria use mostly latest edition of foreign medical books and some good books written in Nigeria. You are just bitter because you went for optometry after missing out on medicine. With the hope that you will be allowed to treat patients not knowing the ophthalmologists who are the consultants that specialized for eye care after their MBBS are there to save Nigerians from quacks. And yes you are with JOHESU, probably jobless at the moment. You should use this opportunity to read up and get enlightened cos your ignorance is amazing.

I'm not here to brag, post your curriculum and I'll post mine, then we'll compare with what was obtainable 20 years ago and what is obtainable now internationally, and I'll try my best but i can't promise not to exchange insults with a witless worm and oaf like you whose greatest achievement in life would be a prefix and the estacode that is supposed to accrue you but not the responsibility that follows the said prefix afterall, am only human. The day Nigerians wise up to their rights and start sueing your fat stagnant and backward asses for every expensive error and blunder you commit, your prefix which incompetents like you boast about will turn to ash in your mouths then we'll know who the jobless one is, you or me

Alisha4U:
At the height of the Sharia debate during the Obasanjo administration, Buhari declared that Muslims should vote only for fellow Muslims. This was politically suicidal for a man seeking national office. He became an advocate for implementation of Sharia all over Nigeria. He protested to the Oyo State governor, in the context of a dispute between Fulani herdsmen and indigenous farmers in the state, that “your people are killing my people.” This turned out to be unfounded and perhaps the reverse.
His threats during the campaign for the 2011 elections incited widespread violence in the North after he lost. His supporters went on a rampage; looting and killing; in spite of the fact that, by all accounts, the elections were adjudged the most free and fair in the history of Nigeria’s current democratic experiment. By the time the mayhem had subsided, over 1000 people had been slaughtered in cold blood and some 65,000 displaced.
Forgetting that a statement made in Hausa would readily be translated into English, Buhari later declared unapologetically in a BBC interview: “If what happened in 2011 should again happen in 2015, by the grace of God, the dog and the baboon would all be soaked in blood.” These are the tokens of an irresponsible politician, whose ambitions for power supersede the national interest. Who then are the dogs and baboons that Buhari has in mind to soak in blood if and when he loses yet again come 2015? Are they his children or are they those of others?
With the Boko Haram insurgency in the north, Buhari played to the Northern gallery yet again, calling the Jonathan government “the biggest Boko Haram.” Wole Olaniyi was a fly in the wall at a meeting in Kano Government House designed to persuade PDP rebel governor, Rabiu Kwankwaso, to decamp to the APC. Assuming that only Northerners were present, Buhari declared the Boko Haram was a “strategic plan” by the government of Goodluck Jonathan to “destroy the North.” When Jonathan declared a state of emergency in Yobe, Borno and Adamawa states, Buhari still saw this with Northern goggles, insinuating that the President is waging war on the North.
President of the North
Without a doubt, Buhari has massive support in the North. Indeed, he is the most popular Northern politician in the North today. But that precisely remains his undoing at the centre. The more he has been identified as a Northern champion, the less attractive he has become as a national choice. Even in the North, his support base is limited to the Muslim population. He does not appeal to Northern Christians. Then there is the added factor of the opposition of his implacable opponents among the Northern elite. Men like Babangida and Atiku would rather die than allow Buhari get to Aso Rock.
One thing is certain, the South-South and the South-East will not vote for Buhari in 2015. Not only that; there are no buyers for Buhari’s sectarian politics in the South-West. No matter what Tinubu might be telling him, the people of the South-West will not vote for Buhari in 2015. We already had the template in 2011, when Buhari tried to sell himself, first by balancing his ticket with a Yoruba man; and then by making sure the Yoruba man is a Christian; a pastor no less. But it just did not wash. It will not work in 2015.
The worst thing that can happen to Northern presidential aspirations in 2015 is for Buhari to be on the APC ballot. That is a sure guarantee that the North will not be providing the next president. Buhari would be a shoo-in in an election for president of Northern Nigeria. But in an election encompassing the entire country, the best he can envisage is to be a kingmaker. He cannot be king. The nearest Buhari will get to Aso Rock in 2015 is by attending the Council of State meetings.
- See more at: http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/01/buhari-will-never-president-nigeria/#sthash.JXa1DlN6.dpuf

Seriously! Is there anything more to add? Do we want a northern president or a national president? Is a corrupt centrist GEJ truly worse than a nepotic islamist extremist GMB?

Can't we see the ticking bomb this is?

If uhuru kenyatta can be prosecuted at the ICJ (international court of justice) for inciting post election violence bothering on genocide in kenya, why not buhari or maybe it was just dogs and baboons (southerners and christians) that were killed not people (fulani herdmen) as he thought was the case in oyo in 2003.

sammy187:
Nigeria is a Country made up of Different Tribes and Religions, no doubt every tribe wants to rule our multitribal Land whether form the SS SE SW NE NW NC. Honestly Nigeria can do better than the aspirants presented but thats another topic, back to the point. In the 2011 results CPC won in the NE NW NC PDP won in the SW SS SE APC won in OSUN. the results are as follows:

Nigerian Presidential Election Results - 2011
PDP ; 22,495,187
ACN ; 2,067,301
CPC ; 12,214,853
ANPP ; 917,012
Others ; 504,866
TOTAL; 38,199,219
reg VOTERS; 73,528,040

the excuse given in 2011 for the fall out of APC states to PDP in the south west was that the National Leader was paid, WRONG!. but for the sake of statistics if we merge ACN,CPC,ANPP the APC Aspirant would win the 2015 elections.

we vote for sentimental reasons mainly because of our past, We use past experiences to generalize and make judgements thats why a Christian would not feel comfortable with a Muslim/Muslim ticket regardless of the potentials or leadership traits of the people involved. this same notion would make the SW individual less comfortable when a Southerner goes against a Northerner thats why SW voted for PDP massively in 2011.

In a bid not to sound pro GEJ or PDP i strongly feel that what happened in 2011 would most likely repeat itself, he has the sentimental statistics, he has the incumbency factor,he has the support of international and local business owners and less not forget he controls every single barrel of crude produced.

Very factual

ISpiksDaTroof:
How many times have Muslims stopped you on the street or knocked at your door in attempts to convert you to their religion?

Because methods are the all important difference, some attempt to win you by love and reasoning and they call themselves christians, others hold a knife to your throat and ask you to accept the decision they choose for you or die and they call themselves muslims (of course you'll claim they are extremists) but the tag muslim still sticks.

Do I also need to spell out the different ramifications of both methods vis-a-vis with the former your life and security is guaranteed irrespective of the choice you make while with the latter whether you live or die depends on making the choice which is right by your assailants?

And you still wonder why regardless of whether or buhari parades himself as the messiah there will always be many Nigerians like me voting not for manifestos or for reforms but just simply anti- a man that won't vehemently condemn such muslims as I stated above simply because some of the evils they carry out are close to his heart's desire.

ISpiksDaTroof:
How many of you voted for Pastor Tuned Bakare when was on the ticket?

Remember the anti-buhari vote I talked about?
And you actually think much has changed on that score

ISpiksDaTroof:
You wouldn't even vote for a Jesus/John The Baptist combo if APC put them forward. Stop deceiving yourself. By now everyone on here knows you trick and sees through your scam. We know that your job here is to try and convince people who are still on the fence but leaning towards Buhari to insist that he should be ditched for a less popular candidate so that GEJ can have a free ride. You have failed! Buhari has a guaranteed 12million votes, plus millions of new converts. In contrast, it is clear to all that GEJ has lost support by the millions while barely gaining any new ones, so your continuous rants from thread to thread is kind of understandable.

I know you gotta eat, but I'd hate to be you right now. Your job seems to be a hard one and probably costs more than its really worth.

You and your 40million, then 20million, now 12million votes for buhari and every other -ish you spew from thread to thread sef, don't you ever get tired?
What crystal ball do/are you peep/peeping into? It must be getting very very hazy in it because your figures seem to be dropping or maybe the reality of the “anti-buhari (not neccesarily pro-GEJ) vote“ seems to be catching up with you.

ratiken:
And how on earth am I supposed to have an intelligent discussion with a bigot that already stated that nigeria is worse off under GEJ.

Let me ask.... By whose standard is it worse off?, yours?, APCs?
By IMF and World Banks, we are better off, by every available economic indices.... We are progressing. My roads are better, my power supply is better, agriculture is better, infrastructures are better, railways are better, our elections are free and fair, we have battled ebola to a stand still, we are battling bokoharam despite the distractions and oppositions, I am hopeful about the FG housing loan I applied for which has been approved (this was advertized nationwide), opposition now has a voice, there is freedom of information that allowed us abuse the presidency, farmers including my friends make humongous amounts of money from product exports....

So I ask you again, by whose standard are thing worse? COS BY MY STANDARD, this is the best it has gotten for us so far and as such GEJ should continue for another 10yrs until we find ourselves some common sense. Our 50yrs mess cannot be cleaned in 4yrs and its stupid to expect immediate return on economic strides that this govt have achieved. However, enterprising minds are already benefiting from the fertile economic terrain.

So my good friend, with all the politeness I can muster......just SHUT UP

WOOOOOOOOOORD!!

SamIkenna:
I'm getting the impression that many people think the elites divided the country into religious camps. This notion is largely flawed. The elites didn't, to a large extent, divide it rather the society drifted and evolved into bitter ethnic and religious camps.

Before we put the blame squarely on elites feet we need to take a look at other nations that have highly visible and defined differences. How are they faring? Are they also divided much like we are?

The elites are good at pauperizing the masses but that's more or less about it. To attribute all the bitter differences emanating from our different political and historical evolution to the elite is simply seeking for a scapegoat. Even the British knew we would not work so why are we blaming phantom elites for our un-bridgeable ethnic and religious bickering? Go to Spain, UK, China, India, CAR, Congo, Yemen, Indonesia, Philippine, even in the US Texas is always threatening to leave the Union. The list is endless.

Today we see the carnage going on in Ukraine and Chechen, Iraqi and Turkish Kurds at each other's throat - these are realities of modern nations that aren't really nations in true sense. Nigeria is not from another planet, we're part of humanity and as such we reason and act like the rest of mankind. Each time we wake up and read how ISIS beheaded this and that, or that a bomb exploded in Tel-Aviv or Baghdad we flinch. It reminds us of the threat our perceived enemies or opponents pose. Each time we mourn the loss of lives from Boko Haram insanity or Fulani cattle herders we flinch again. By the time we're through with soaking all these bad news whether true or fabricated we're half-way done or, sometimes, completely through with our desire to keep our camps from incursion from other camps. We become un-malleable to reason and even to the plight of our perceived opponents.

There's enough blame to go round but at the end of the day I believe its disingenuous to think that its only the elites that ruptured our oneness whereas the experience and news we got and continue to get has nothing to do with our un-bridgeable gulf. A nation is much like a living breathing being. It possesses memory and as such can tap from it. This sole reason is why a nation should do no wrong to a section of her population because once its done its done - the notion or sanctity of nationhood from that moment becomes violated, memory refuses to be erased, and things go downhill.

Can't fault your argument or logic............................

Dat's just the ultra rational part of me speaking

Omimah:
Boko Haram is just a sect. Go close to any northerner you see how they embrace people irrespective of their tribe or religion.

I meant southerners and northern christians

Omimah:
Boko Haram is just a sect. Go close to any northerner you see how they embrace people irrespective of their tribe or religion.

Yes, like they embraced my uncle with a knife in his throat at kano during one of those sharia riots in 2003, we never had a body to bury, like they embraced his hausa driver by chopping of his right hand for trying to protect him, like they've been embracing southerners and northern muslims over the years and yet, during any riot in lagos, I can not bring myself to go hausa stalking or hunting because I always see them first and above anything else as human and just like me, despite my grief and I live with a few of them, maybe am more northern than your average hausa.

justhelp:
The only problem i think people from SE/SS and have is that, they are not well educated to see politics as non a religion component, they often belief they are religious and only Christianity is the way, they dont want to accommodate any other religion as if they are saint, they are ignorance and illiterate, unlike people from SW, who are well educated about religion and politics no one in the SW has ever come up with any religion issues related to politics, is only my people from the SE, GOD will deliver them from politics of tribalism and religion.

Am trying to resist the temptation not to insult you but am sorry, I must call you very daft indeed (apology included) people from south-south, south-east not well educated, ignorant and illiterate? Don't know about the south-east but are you by some grand mistake reffering to my south-south in those terms? Dude re-enlighten yourself before making such errors again.
Re: yes, religion and politics shouldn't mix in an ideal democracy but Nigerian democracy isn't ideal, is it?