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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3BqLZ8UoZk The Mormons seemed to be confused.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fw1Vg8HsMK4- It seems the Jehovah witnesses have walked down that same road the Mormons had walked..

MichaelDprince:
hmmmm..., i love Jehovah witness but all d same THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINT s d ONLY TRUE CHURCH upon d surface of d earth. The Church with d Restored Gospel even d fulness of d Gospel of Jesus Christ with d PRIESTHOOD. .... We preach of Christ, we talk of Christ, we rejoice in christ, we proophesy of Christ, that our children may know 2 what source they may look up for d remmission of their sins....[b]hmmmm..., i love Jehovah witness but all d same THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINT remain s d ONLY TRUE CHURCH upon d surface of d earth. The Church with d Restored Gospel even d fulness of d Gospel of Jesus Christ with d PRIESTHOOD. .... We preach of Christ, we talk of Christ, we rejoice in christ, we proophesy of Christ, that our children may know 2 what source they may look up for d remmission of their sins....[/b]hmmmm..., i love Jehovah witness but all d same THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINT remain s d ONLY TRUE CHURCH upon d surface of d earth. The Church with d Restored Gospel even d fulness of d Gospel of Jesus Christ with d PRIESTHOOD. The church with a living prophet whom God speaks thru for d Salvation of mankind .... We preach of Christ, we talk of Christ, we rejoice in christ, we proophesy of Christ, that our children may know 2 what source they may look up for d remmission of their sins....

Yes I agree they do stick with their bible.

trisha:
I have come across so many religions but I think Jehovah's Witnesses stick to the bible. What do you guys think?

If any of you have the time to listen to this-A Roman Catholic nun, has giving her testimony, after she had escaped her 22 years she served as a nun, to find out the ins and outs about the many dark secrets, the Roman Catholic Church had hidden away from the public.
She was enslaved with the many other young nuns, torched, raped, Molested, and forced to sigh all her inheritance over to the Catholic Church.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6K2QwJeybw

Sorry.

Ganoderma:
Please don't call me names.

I have never called you names. Its just so bad that people cant seem to argue their points without resorting to name calling.

Sheeeesh!!

Then you need to turn the bible the right side up, and get with the program, dummy.
"Hello Hello" is their anybody out there

Ganoderma:
And somebody said we turn the Bible upside down.

I have nothing more to say to you.

I expect you not to understand it, remember you do have a JW's bible, and that alone couldn't spell out the truth to you anyway. You would be receiving-the end of each sentence. No-wonder you can't understand pure English.
Your making a mockery of yourself, everyone that believes in Christ, knows the seed.
Of course Jesus referred God as His Father. Your like talking to a child.
Read about the seed-think about this-Jesus said I and the Father are one. He said-if you see Me, you have seen the Father.
Maybe I could spell it out for you like this-before I was born-my parents laid the seed-after 9 months, I was born, now I am one seed with my parents. Jesus is one seed with God the Father. He is one.
Jesus never denied His Father-nor His Mother.
"No-one has seen God at any time-because God is Spirit. He also says Flesh gives birth to flesh {Mary} And the Spirit gives birth to the Spirit {God} And how do we recognise the Spirit of God.
Every Spirit that knows that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God.

Ganoderma:
When people quote John 1:1 to support the fallacy that Jesus is God, I often wonder what they think about the many references that Jesus made during his ministry testifying that God was superior to him.

The voice that was heard after the Jesus baptism was pretty clear. "This is my Son, the beloved" Who exactly was God referring to here.

Jesus himself referred to God countless times as "The Father" or "Father in the heavens"

Even when nailed, he made referenced to God. He called out "Eli Eli Lama Sabachthani" meaning "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me"
It sure really does not make sense looking up to God when you are that same God you are looking up to.

Still yet during the agony of his death he still prayed "Father forgive them. For they know not what they do". Who was he praying to? Himself?

And before he died he prayed yet again "Father into your hands I commit my spirit"

In John 20:17, Jesus after his resurrection spoke to Mary and said "Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.'"

The Bible leaves no doubt as to the irrefutable distinction between God and Jesus.

Well our prayers are answered.
While I was lost-Jesus found me.
While you are lost-we are still looking. Sorry we are having trouble finding you-come out come out where ever you are.
No-ones lost-only you.

Ganoderma:
God! What demon did this to you?

You are so lost.

I hope and pray you find your way before its to late.

Sometimes it seems we are standing on a cross road, and deep down-we are having trouble finding our way.
Jesus said, the truth will set you free. Sometimes we can be in a confused state of mind.
At first you start of good sucking up to them, the next few lines down, you have ambushed them' using the word of God as a tool' against them. In all unfairness, without knocking, having this sense of seriousness and modesty. I would say-Yes and No.
As a program-their elders are trained to teach, but not the bible as we know it, and with their seriousness and modesty they are drawing millions into a kingdom, that God Himself couldn't enter in.
A New World order is about to raise, and with the support of the true and faithful-servants with modesty.
Millions of innocent people will burn for eternity.

major466:
Do not get me wrong am not prejudice to Jehovah's Witness group. On the contrary, I like their sense of seriousness and modesty. Their ''Awake Magazine'' is one of my favorite magazines; very informative and colorful. I still read them to this day.
The only thing that spoil the show is their doctrine about the Divinity of the Lord Jesus Christ. They believe Jesus is of equal status with Arch Angels in heaven. It is written all over their literatures. To Jehovah witness, Jesus Christ is not GOD. This belief is a massive contradiction to John1:1 which states that:
''In the beginning was the Word , and the Word was with GOD and the word was GOD.''
2. ''He was in the beginning with GOD. All things were made through Him, and apart from Him not one thing was made that has been made.''
The term ''Word'' from the verse above is refering to Jesus Christ. And He (Jesus Christ) was in existence before the creation of heaven and earth. He was with GOD from the very beginnging. And He was GOD. All created objects in heaven (including all the angels big and small) and earth were made through him. Without Him, not one thing was made.
If the Jehovah Witness group hold the believe that Jesus Christ is not GOD but a majestic being, created just like Arch Micheal, how come the Bible categorically recognizes Jesus Christ as GOD and that all things both in heaven and earth were made through him in John1:1-3?

I thought you may like this-this is why I had written it because I know how difficult it is for you to believe God and Jesus are one the same. And I just wanted to see if you would react to this as quickly as you did? Surprise surprise.
The dead has risen.
I find you JW's quite amusing, like theirs so many bible references, to prove YHWH-God and Jesus are One the same.
But of course you don't believe that' you believe more on the fact-that Jesus and God are two different people, and with all the bible reference that had been laid out before you, you still refuse to believe. Jesus asked us to preach the word of God-putting Jesus first, not the Watchtower and not Jehovah?
The name of God is YHWH some say it's Yahwah, but of course the JW's call His name Jehovah, it really doesn't matter, what matters, do we Know who God really is, why do we believe-and who do we believe in.
What makes this difficult, You don't seem to relate to any of the scriptures, I have provided, do you really believe God had raised Him from the dead?
Did you know Jesus was given' all God's authority. Which means in Jesus's name we are saved, Not in His Fathers name YHWH, nor Jehovah. This is why Jesus repeats Himself by saying-those who believe in Me will be saved.
Mark 9:38 "Teacher we saw someone draw out demons in your name. {Did you understand what John had said} he seen someone draw out demons in Jesus's name- He never said he drew out demons in Jehovah's name.

{We already live in a world where even the atheist believe in God, or lets say a God}
If people went about preaching another gospel-say the Watchtowers gospel-preaching only about Jehovah God, and not the Lord Himself-How difficult does this gospel sound.
As I said everyone believes in a God, your God, their God, it really doesn't matter, its a God. It was Jesus the world had rejected.
How about this one>John 17:20 "I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those who also believe in Me through their word, that they be all be one, even as you Father are one in Me, and I in you. May they also be in Us, so that the world may believe that you have sent Me.
I like this one>this verse belongs to you.
John 14:7 "If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also, from now on you know Him, and have seen Him, Philip said to Him Lord show us the Father, and it is enough for us, Jesus said to him have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me. He who has seen Me, has seen the Father, how can you say show us the Father?
This story seems to be the same as your story-even Philip believed, their are two people.

Ganoderma:
I really like this part.

It summarizes the condition of your reasoning. It is critically flawed.

Listen to yourself. Jesus asks us to preach the word of God, putting Jesus first and not Jehovah (Which by the way is God's name). Interesting! Who is God? And who is Jesus?

I know you would say Jesus is the same as God.

And if actually you did say that, then I think our discussion is over.

I may be wrong, but you do sound like a Catholic.

You mean to say, the information I have provided in evidence is true and correct. You can't come up with any of your own evidence to prove otherwise?
You were the one who stepped out to start this argument, which was pointless on your behalf-if you haven't the slightest idea to prove any evidence, then why did you interferer? Listen" it just shows how important it is to study-especially-when the truth is revealed.
I thought you said the bible verses I have provided were just gibberish, you are sounding Hypercritical at this moment. Listen to you, you are actually writing about Jesus?
I like this bit? Using Ezekiel 33:7-9 "as your way of calling yourself a true and faithful witness, I believe Jesus meant you must preach the word of God, putting Jesus first. Not the Watchtower nor your Jehovah.
I remember the day's when the JW's lived next door to me, as a youngster, my aim wasn't God.
After I became a Christian, I had welcome them into my home, and the first thing I can remember-was the Watchtower books were laid across my kitchen table, without asking-the elders were ready to pounce, having their JW bibles ready and sitting in the far corners of their minds.
I found what really surprised me, their focus wasn't about Jesus, it was more about the Watchtower, after a while I found their Watchtower books are used as a tool to draw people into the JW's kingdom hall.
Later I had other Christians to join with me, to help support our final countdown with the JW's-my biggest weapon, was an X JW-one who knew the ins and outs of the Watchtower.
Word from word-the bibles opened, and the war began-the JW's would show us signs, they believed were written in the Watchtower magazines, scripture after scriptures were past around the table-I then started to realize how different, our bibles are.

The Watchtower books are used to draw people into a brainwashing mode; my mind was rocking with the thought how one truly believes he or she could live in a paradise state of mind, this all sounded magic, to good to be true-Earth" that no man has seen, little did they teach, Heaven didn't exist for just anyone, but only for those small few of a 144 000 of trusted elders who would have the pleasure seeing the golden gates of heaven, where only Jehovah himself sits.
Funny as they were-they knew how to twist the word of God-they themselves really believed they are the chosen ones-Jehovah's special people who will have their glories shine before them, while the rest of the world dies.

They would read one verse-say in Matthew then quickly-turn over to another Psalms trying to confuse us-changing the subject-before any of us had the time to study the hole chapter; sneaky as they are-I found their aim was only to confuse us-but in this case-it confused them even more-They are professionals, and they will do anything to make us look like fools, they tried to prove we believed in the UN-KNOWN GOD-A God we never knew.

I wanted to study with them only to retrieve a more clear view' because the Lord warns us of false prophets-and like the JW's, the problem I had found with them, they couldn't produce the word of God-the way I had seen it written.
The word of God is alive-its a living word, and I couldn't find that living word living inside any of the JW's I had studied with.

Ganoderma:
Well I leave you to your folly.

It really is useless to argue with the likes of you.

You know what! Why not have a swell time spreading unfounded stories. Afterall, Jesus was wrongfully accused of being a blasphemer. He was infact wrongfully accused of sedition and treason too and was killed on that account. And unfortunately people accepted those accusations as true because they failed to understand who Jesus was even though the evidence and facts were right in front of their eyes.

Each person has a responsibility to make certain his own salvation. And each one after finding salvation must warn others and help them to find salvation. (Ezk 33:7-9)
I am fully convinced of my Faith and if this is the treatment I get for telling people about my Faith so they could make their own decision then I would gladly accept it on account of the name of the Almighty Jehovah.

So get thee behind me satan....for I come before you in the name of JEHOVAH.....and you have no hold over this one.

Should priest and nuns have sexual relationships-yes God made male and female.
God created Adam and Eve-not Adam and Steve.
But of course the Catholic Priest disobeys the word of God, having other idea's-that they had chosen to work against God creations.
Fornicators shall not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God?
Do not be deceived.
Idolaters shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Adulterers shall not inherit the Kingdom of God.
Homosexuality shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Sodomites shall not inherit the Kingdom of God.
Nor Thieves, Nor Covetous, Nor Drunkards, Nor Revilers, Nor Extortioners will inherit the Kingdom of God.

Well I have proved your point-above-listen you JW's don't have much of a choice-looking for information else where outside your Church could mean you are disqualified from your long life belief's.
Which is a shame-because in Christ, he opened a door, for us all to see-and at a faster pace the word of God is spreading across our nations.
We are now seeing people all over the world, who have decided to cross over to the Lords side of the river-the blind now see, and the light is much brighter than ever before.
Listen we really need to take those shutters away from our eye's, and open up our hearts, stepping towards Christ, the dead don't see-what the living do.
If your not growing in Christ-its time to leave these religious nesting's. As dead as it seems-is as dead as you are. Don't be fooled by these criminals, do you honestly believe they care?
2 Corinthians 6:17 "Come out from among them, and be separated says the Lord, and touch not the unclean things, and I will receive you.
The word of God is a free gift to those who truly seek after Him, don't be fooled-by anyone who takes you away from the truth-these are false prophets-don't be fooled by anyone who's using the word of God for financial gain, they are raven wolfs in sheep clothing-these men and women have sold their own souls to the Devil-and they will stop at nothing-working for their masters desires.
What I love about the Lord, He never lets us go from knowing the truth-He promised us-He will never leave us-He will always be with us.

As a Christian the Lord works in mysterious ways-I have heard some funny stories-but sure enough they connect with the word of God.
Studying the word of God surely brings out His wisdom with His knowledge out to the open, just having a discernment, between good and evil, is enough for me. The lord said: The truth will set you free.
Matthew 6:33 He also said: first seek the kingdom and his righteousness and all things shall be added to you.

Finding His kingdom can only lead you to the truth. Day after day, the word of God is bouncing of in all directions-everywhere.
Don't miss out on this Great opportunity, open up your hearts, and aim it towards Christ, He is the only one who can save you.
Don't be fooled by these organised religious cults, {Jesus said, by their fruits you will know them}And if you are not growing Spirituality in the Lord-then your not growing at all. You need to get out of there' the Church is dead.

Jesus is alive today, as He was alive back then.
John 7:38 "Whoever believes on Me, as the scriptures has said-out of his heart shall flow rivers of living water.

I have provided the information, you had demanded me to do, with this information I do expect you to ignore it, the same as what you do with bible scriptures. As you say' it all sounds gibberist to you.
I think you need to study up on your history, You really need to look further, because all you have provided is only from the JW's info line.
You need to take into account-why so many people have gone through so much trouble-writing about the JW's.
In genial, people, don't normally act' against anyone, unless they had found some evidence to prove the facts' "true or false" and in these days we now have easy access to see the facts come alive with provided evidence.
If you have the balls to watch this video below-Russell shows written evidence he calls himself a Freemason and a brethren to his Masonry brothers..
He's words are I am a Freemason, I am free and accepted mason, if I may carry to its full length because that is what our masonic brethren like to tell us, that they are free and accepted masons. And then he go's on by this statement>I trust we all are. Is his statement only preferred to the JW's?
{The little evidence you have provided was written by the watchtower-or lets say, Barbara Anderson's an X JW-she claimed Russell does not belong to the masons.
She was later kicked out of the JW's after Alleging the church had covered up sexual abuse cases}
So It seems' the JW's believed Barbara's evidence' who Russell is, but you dis-believed her' after she had provided evidence the church had covered up cases of sexual abuse.
So it seems, without any proven evidence found, she has already made false allegations against the watchtower-as they claimed-so makes her allegations true and correct this time around about Russell?

Russell had written it himself, his own words were-I am a Freemason.
And when we look into the Initial list of the 33 Rd degree Freemasons, sure enough' Mr Charles Taza Russell's name, is written below James Rothschild and above bishop Carl J Sanders, as Freemasons.
Of course you believe the opposite' with any of the evidence provided-as usual you are trying to twist' what this man had actually Quoted?
I know it's hard for you to accept anything concerning your belief's-but hey we have got to start somewhere in life-even if it does mean we are on the bottom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPlz0XG0SJc
Masons who you say' are not Masons? Are not buried on Mason land.
Have you heard of the Grand Lodge of the Free and accepted Masons, as a member this term is used only within the lodge.

Christians are not trusted and accepted Masons-and we are not part of any secret society.
We either love the one, or hate the other.
Have I dug up enough dirt for you? You cheeky bugger.

Ganoderma:
I really do not understand why common sense seems to take leave of people when it is time to castigate JW's. They seem to find everything and anything to bring down that name.

It's not strange anyway. It has been happening and for as long as this system of things continue, Jehovah's Witnesses will continue to be dragged in the mud. Its a burden we have come to accept gladly. If we are to be reproached on account of the name of Jehovah and Jesus, then so be it.

Now let me debunk all your frivolous claims. Please try to reconfirm you facts in future before spreading around false information.

I shouldn't be doing this because in doing so I have to refer to sites and journals I shouldn't be visiting. But this fire in me is way too strong and I feel compelled to silence you.


CT Russel was NEVER and I repeat NEVER a freemason. The Grand Lodge of British Columbia and Yukon, an official vessel of the Freemasons have expressly stated in OFFICIAL terms that CT Russell was not a Freemason. I quote the statement found on their official website. If you have the balls and guts I dare you to go there and read it. If you can't then shut up and be silenced on this matter forever.


[center]"Russell was not a freemason. Neither the symbols found in the Watchtower nor the cross and crown symbol are exclusively masonic. And the cross and crown symbol does not appear on his gravestone in the Rosemont United Cemetery, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania — it appears on a memorial erected some years later."[/center]

freemasonry (dot) bcy (dot) ca/anti-masonry/anti-masonry03.html

Now let me also tell you how that rumor about CT Russell came to be.

In an address delivered in San Francisco in 1913, Russell made positive use of masonic imagery by saying, "Now, I am a free and accepted mason. I trust we all are. But not just after the style of our masonic brethren." He further develops this idea: "true Bible believers may or may not belong to the masonic fraternity, but they are all masons of the highest order, since they are being fashioned, chiseled and polished by the Almighty to be used as living stones in the Temple Built Without Hands. They are free from sin, and therefore accepted by the God of Heaven as fit stones for the heavenly Temple." Later in this address, Russell stated quite clearly that "I have never been a mason." Those who claim Russell was a freemason quote this address out of context without noting the rhetorical imagery.

For the records, what you read above is also quoted from the Freemason website. If you had the balls to read the first quote, then this shouldnt be a problem for you.

So for all of you who go up digging dirt just to throw at JW's make sure the dirt you throw sticks because if it doesn't you would all be made to look like fools in the end.



And hey brother what was all that Bible verse for? It sounded like gibberish to me.

If Evilforest was a Christian-he wouldn't use a name that's Evil.

To gain any knowledge in the bible-its best to read the hole chapter-to understand any thing what Christ had said.

Listen of course you are a JW-and you may believe by putting the past behind you-everyone forgets-well I have news for you it's history that keeps the ball rolling' and no-one forgets.
The JW's have a large history behind them, twisting bible scriptures around so much, that people even believed in the end of the world theories, and of course all these prophesies were proven false.
Charles Taze Russell who started the JW's was a 33 Rd degree Freemason died and buried on Mason grounds' under the illuminati pyramid.
Masons don't believe in the word of God, true and true out, matter of fact-they believe Lucifer is the father of Christ.
So of course we expect the Masons in genial to remove scriptures from any bible, and we are not expecting you to know everything' such as Acts 8:37 "I believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
I find it strange-when I study up on all the stuff ups these Churches have done in the past-it clearly shows-these are the ones who have walked away from Christ.
Mr Smith was a 33 Rd Mason and he started up His Church called the Mormons, they also removed the truth from their bible's too.
We can find the Masons living in all directions.
As you can see-both men had committed such a crime-{by their fruit you will know them} looking at their fruits they had left behind-with the many twisted scriptures, confusion had hit the streets-and the word of God now comes in bits and pieces through out the Churches.
1 Timothy 6 "Men of corrupted minds destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is the means of financial gain. From such withdraw yourselves.
Freemasons started back from the Catholic Church-a Church that shows its riches sitting on a high mountain above all other Churches.
The Devil's at work, having his angels by his side, the Masonry's have used the word of God as a tool, using God's people to build mega Churches, homes, and fancy jets.
Matthew 4:8-10 "Again the Devil took Jesus to a high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory, and he said to Him, all these things I will give you, if you will fall down and worship me.
And Jesus said, get behind Me Satan, for you shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve
Mark 4:11 " But the worries of this life, the deceitfulness of wealth and the desires of other things, come in and chock the word, making it unfruitful.
But don't worry-we have witnessed many JW's and others from different denominational Churches, are now coming over to the Lord's side of the river-who have now fully dedicated themselves over to Christ.

I pray someday it will be your turn. Can you swim?

Ganoderma:
1 Peter 3:18 is pretty clear. Jesus was put to death in the Flesh and made alive in the spirit.

If your claim is that Jesus was resurrected in flesh, then I am very curious to know how you would explain what happened in Luke 24:15-30.

A person resurrected in flesh cannot possibly do such a thing.




The only reason people think JW's turn the bible upside down is because they cannot comprehend how we could possibly have such depth of knowledge about the things written in the bible. And because we use various bible verses with so much dexterity, it leaves them flustered.

A lot of our teachings are based on the bible and because they are mostly in direct opposite of what most are groomed to beleive, the only logical reaction is to reject our teachings.

The rejection comes not necessarily because people think what we are saying is wrong. It comes because they infact see the truth about what we teach but cannot bring themselves to accept it as the truth.

You would never ever find a JW that would argue bible truths with you without quoting from it. Yet, the same people who claim that JW's turn the bible upside down never ever quote a single scripture to back up their reasons for inferring.

No I suppose I didn't understand? Is it a term used by the JW's, on different occasions-calling each an un-baptised publisher?

Sarang:
Sorry dont understand.

I mean I just become an unbaptized publisher.
I guess you didnt understand.

Has someone upset you?

Sarang:
An Unbaptized publisher at last..

It seems, many of us are confused when Mary is mentioned-over the centuries the Catholic's have been sending out a message that has reached the nations-calling Mary the Mother of Jesus a Catholic.
What I don't understand is, it was the Pharisees betraying Jesus-allowing the Romans to butcher Him.

Are you Catholic's so blind-you can't see any truth in these so called theories of yours, do you really believe Mary would turn her back on Christ, after she had witnessed the punishment the Pharisees and the Roman soldiers had done to Him.
And later they continua-led to lead an army to add to their killing spree, against any Christian, who followed after Christ.
Do you honestly believe Mary would lead a nation' or a Church-that hated her own flesh and blood {Jesus}

Of course someone has confused this idea, switching Diana's name, or Isis Queen of heaven-Mother of God, both classed as goddesses of the Ancient world-again Isis holding her baby in her arms, these are given to the believers in name' only Antichrist himself is at work with his angels-mocking Jesus once again, this time using His Mother's name as the key source to take you all to Hell.
Luke 4:8 "And Jesus answered and said unto him get behind Me Satan, for it is written, your shall worship the Lord your God' and Him only you shall serve.
Think about it, would you follow after a Church or a nation, if you had seen them butcher your love ones?
Did the Jews follow after Hitler?

"No" Like Mary the Mother of Jesus they all forgave-having the word of God planted in them, they had enough encouragement to stay well away.

GOOD MORNING-HOW ARE YOU ALL TODAY. BLESSED AND HAPPY?

Well we know the Catholic's don't bow down to those Royalties, and you say you worship Jesus-how do you worship Jesus?
Bowing down to Mary? Thanking her because She gave birth to Jesus, you should be thanking God-He had placed His blood line seed into Mary.
Mary isn't a God to be worship-she is just like us, flesh and blood. Luke 11:27 "As Jesus was saying these things, and a woman in the crowd called out, "Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you.
Luke 11:28 Jesus then said: Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.
So you can see by this statement Mary isn't Blessed because she gave birth to Jesus, she is blessed, because she obeyed the word of God.
Allow me to look deeper into the Pope, as a man, as he is, in public speaking, this man is praised and worshipped like a God, even to the point of prayer, calling Him father Matthew 23:9 "And do not call anyone on earth Father, for you have one Father and He is in Heaven. And His not talking about your daddy.
On public television, I have seen many of you bowing down to the Pope, kissing him, touching him, like he is royalty, you have made him to be a God on Earth.
You say you worship Jesus and yet you use Mary as your go between-mediator, building up an idol and kissing the images feet-before entering the Church-most of you pray the rosemary-starting with a prayer, Mother of God. Holy Mother of God, Queen of heaven and earth. This sounds to close to Diana.
Praying with the saints, as your prayer partners, again you have put Mary above all, calling her the blessed Virgin Mary, Queen of the saints, the head of an army of prayer warriors, using her as the primary saint with whom you pray. etc,,, {Jesus didn't get a mention}
Luke 11:27-28 "And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, "Blessed is the womb that bore You and the breasts which nursed You !"
But He said, "More then that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it.
So you can see, Mary wasn't blessed because she gave birth to Jesus, she was blessed because she obeyed the word of God.
What's the meaning of Catholic, hmm lets see? Universal.
\As we all know the Roman Catholic Church has been around for centuries-but for what reason?
At the beginning the Church started with pagan religion, bowing down to idol's such as Diana the goddess Queen of heaven, Mother of God.
I believe It was Constantine that changed the worship from Diana, given Mary heads up, idolizing both.
Before this the Roman Catholic Church had murdered the Christians-Nero murdered Peter and Paul, only because they believed in Christ and not Diana.
Constantine changed Christianity-taken Mary's name away from her true belief's. idolizing her name, making images, using that old pagan religion and praying to her as the Mother of God-Queen of heaven-same as Diana had carried.
She was a Christian-Christ like-firstly it doesn't add up-why would Mary hand herself over to pagan religion? Where Hell is standing at the door. She knew Jesus first hand, she followed Him through the rough rangers.
Your Church may have stood for centuries on-but without Christ, it stood for nothing.

Jolliano:
Lol. We are talking of Mary and Elizabeth (Queens of England). You are talking about Mary, Mother of God. Very Funny.

To your issue of Christ and Mary:
There is no Church or faith community that elevates Christ the way he asked us to apart from the Catholic Church. With all the grammar everyone speaks about the Catholic Church, we are the only ones who maintain the Truth about The Eucharist which Jesus said is His Body and Blood.
That is the highest worship possible. Read Revelations.

The twenty four elders bowed and worshiped the Lamb sitting on the Throne. The same Lamb of God (John 1:29) who gave us himself as our food (John 6) and The Last Supper and asked us to do it in memory of him.

But apart from us, everyone says it is merely a symbol. Or that anybody who calls himself Pastor can turn bread to Jesus' body.

When Jesus said "This is my body. This is my blood." And took only the 12 Apostles with him.

And you without understanding the Church at all says we are more loyal to Mary. Lol.

Have you ever seen a Priest say "This is the Body of Mary" or "This is the Blood of Mary"?

You define worship as singing, preaching and praying. Jesus and his apostles defined it as singing,preaching, praying and The Breaking of the Bread (Consecration and Reception of the Eucharist).

Do you not find it interesting that the two disciples on the road to Emmaus could not identify Jesus by what he was teaching them? He taught them for long and yet they didn't know it was him until He took bread and consecrated it.

The Eucharist is The Body And Blood of Christ. That is the Highest form of Worship humans can give.
We don't even give 1% of that to Mary so bros, being loyal to Mary and the Church (Which is the Mystical Body of Christ) always brings us back to Christ.

Christ is the focal point of the Catholic Faith. I'm sure you don't even know why we are called Catholic.

Google Theotokos and read about why that title was given and you will understand better.

Mary the Mother of Christ was never a Catholic in those days.
She believed in Christ, and Christ had nothing to do with that old Roman pagan religion.
Pagan religion had murdered the disciples Peter and Paul, "why" because they believed in the truth about Christ.

This is why the protestants and the Catholic's have so many different viewpoints, I have never met a Catholic-who's just faithful to Christ-but I have met a Catholic-who's more faithful to Mary and their Church.

Jolliano:
Elizabeth had always been Protestant. Mary tried so many times to make her accept Catholicism but Elizabeth never did.

So how did she denounce or renounce a faith she never had?

The first hand written English language manuscripts, were produce in 1380's AD by John Wycliffe an Oxford professor, scholar, and theologian, was well known throughout Europe for his opposition to the teaching of the organized Church, which he believed to be contrary to the bible. With the help of his followers, called the lollards, and his assisted Purvey, and many other faithful scribes, Wycliffe produced dozens of English language manuscript copies of the scriptures.
They were translated out of the Latin Vulgate which was the only source text available to Wycliffe.
The Pope was so infuriated by his teachings and his translation of the bible into English, that 44 years after Wycliffe had died, the Pope ordered the bones to be dug up, crushed and scatted in the river.

Look what happened to William Tyndale, he was well known to the translation of the bible into English.
The spread of Wycliffe bible resulted in a death sentenced, directed by the Pope.

This is a pretty strange way of thanking any man, after all the work they had done, Wycliffe and other scholars had open a doorway for us all to enjoy the comforts written about Christ. This shows the Pope had other idea's to keep the doors closed, keeping the hidden secrets in Latin, so the world' will have never known the truth about Christ, who's the world's leading Church that we know that stands behind Satan's plan.

In this day and age the Catholic bible isn't used by half of the worlds Christians, Catholic's I can believe, Christians in Christ would rather read the truth, it was the Catholic Church that had written the bible in Latin-so the world couldn't understand-only the priest in those days could.

italo:
1. When you lie to the extent you begin to contradict your own lies. Look at the bold.

2. The Catholic Bible made no additions. It was compiled in 382AD. It was your Protestant Bible that had some books removed. Martin Luther removed books that refuted his heresy. He also wanted to remove James and Revelations.

3. The Catholic Bible is used by half of the world's Christians, who are Catholics. Truth is not determined by Google search results.

John 17:21 "Jesus prays for the believers-"I do not pray for those alone, but also for those who will, believe in Me through their word. "That they ALL MAY BE ONE, AS YOU, FATHER, ARE IN ME, AND I IN YOU, that they also may be one in US, That the world may believe that you sent Me.
John 4:24 "God is Spirit and its necessary for those worshipping Him, to worship with Spirit and with truth.

So how can you say God the Father is another person? When Jesus clearly tells us God Spirit resides in Him. God's light shined through Jesus, God is Spirit, both are one seed together. The sinless seed of God, can only be revived by sinless blood, only Jesus carried that blood type to revive God's seed in us. Jesus is the door into the sheepfold, where the seed of the image of God, resides in man.
1 Corinthians 6:17 "But he who is joined to the Lord is one Spirit with Him.
Luke 8:11 "The seed is the word of God.
John1:1 "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God.
John 1:14 " And the word became flesh and dwelt among us. {JESUS}
{BORN AGAIN}
John 3:3 "No one can see the kingdom of God' unless they are born again.
Read John 3:1-7 "This will give you a more clear view why you need to be born again.
{BAPTISED}
Matthew 28:19 "Therefore go and make disciples of all nation, baptising them in the name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Whereus Jesus commanded to be baptised in the name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit, JW's are baptised on the bases of Jesus sacrifice, to Jehovah, in association with the spirit-directed organization. " This is yet another area where bible teaching are changed to elevate the watchtower organization.
{THE MYSTERY MAN}
When Moses went to the mountain, did he see God as a man? Or did he see God as a burning bush?
Did Abram see God as a man?
Elijah see God?
Adam seen the Lord God walking in the garden in the coolness of the day.
Wait he couldn't of seen God? "No" he said he had seen the Lord God-we know God is Spirit, God is light. In Genesis 1, God created the heavens and the earth, and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
[color=#000099]{This opens up a hole new meaning, His Spirit acted once again} God created man in His own image-so does this mean we now have a mystery man Adam had seen walking in the garden? [/color]
This is got to be a good question to ask>were they the same person seen walking in the garden? Adam said he seen the Lord God walking in the garden? He didn't say he had seen the Father walking with His Son.
Don't forget, "I tell you the truth, Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born I am.

dolphinheart:
Is jesus the same person as the father? Now that you have agreed that there are two persons mentioned there.


So wheneva anybody sees Gods light, its jesus they see. Jesus is now a light emanating from the father, and not a seperate entity with his own light?
But if you mean that one person shines his light through another person, then it means they are two seperate persons who can have conversation with each other and take instructions from each other.


You can't be with another person and still be that same other person, even trinitarians and scholars dnt agree to that. Jesus is a seperate person from the father.



And did they see God when and after jesus came? No one has seen God at any time!


show scripture.

How do the jw's baptise under their banner? .

I am enjoying your company-I am not against you, as a neighbour I am sharing with you the same topic, we both enjoy, God.
The Lord reads everything I write to you-and we both enjoy spreading the truth to the nations.
I love you enough to say, with Christ we learn of each other.
You may love your fellowship with the JW's, and I do believe you' when you say, you understand them perfectly.
Also I believe you-when you say you don't understand me' when I write the truth to you about the bible, that says about God.
Quote>And what did ya tell me before right...wash it off first

Sarang:
Leave Jws alone..

And mind your business.

I love Jw with my life nd I understands them perfectly.
But I dont seem to understand you cos your mind might be filled with hatred.
Told ya before right?..wash it off first.

Correcting my neighbour doesn't mean I am against him.
Isn't that what Christians do.

Sarang:
You must love your neighbour as yourself..golden rule

That's right both of them are mentioned, and both of them are one the same.
No-one has seen God at any time-because God shined His light through Jesus. God is light.
John 1:18 "No-one has even seen God, but the one the only Son, {Jesus} who is Himself God, and in relationship with the Father, Has made Him known.

No-one seen God-before Jesus came.
2 Corinthians 4:6 "For God, who said, let light shine out of the darkness, " made His light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of God's glory displayed in the face of Christ.


Jesus said one must be born again and be baptised into His name.
This is where you religious organisations go wrong, like the Catholic's, everyone is baptised under the banner of the Catholic Church, by doing it, this way-we find the Catholic's won't mix with other Christians who aren't Catholic.
Same with you JW's having the same ordeal, you were baptised under the banner of the JW's and again you won't mix with other Christians in Christ.
Christians means Christ like, and yet none of you religious forks mix with other Christians that's outside your Church.

dolphinheart:
The bold says it all.
Both of them are mentioned in that verse.
One was with the other.
Thanks for cutting of the rest of my post in ur reply.

TWO PERSONS ARE NOT MENTION HERE.
As we can see both seem to have one of the same equalities.
You still don't get it do you?

John 1:5 "God is light, In Him there is no darkness at all.
John 8:12 "Jesus is the light of the world. whoever follows Me will not walk in darkness.

As it shows, not one of you' really take any notes that has been written word for word of bible scriptures on this forum about Christ-that's about right-you don't even try to understand the truth.
No-one can help you understand-how the Lord had revealed such wisdom-given us a discernment about the word of God, without you having any understanding, I feel like I am trying to lead the blind-you have no knowledge how the Spirit of God reveals His secrets, concerning the bible.
You need to ask the Spirit of God to reveal such secrets of information to you. Going to your elders is a waste of time..

Praise the lord for ever more.

dolphinheart:
Two persons mentioned here.

You still don't understand the seed, How Jesus is connected with God. Read the above.

Sarang:
So what makes you think that I am against you?

[/color]Because if you are not,you wont be here calling us names.



[color=#000099]And you think we are not preaching christ as he is?


[/color]Really? You must be God's second son to have known who the anti-christ are..I doubt if even the apostles do.



[color=#000099]What bible version did you read?
Tell me and I will give a lot more that Contradicts Jesus being God aside NW.

[/color]Do you ever reason hypothetically at all?
God made Flesh..ko
Jesus Prayed to whom? His Father the bible answered.
Who ressurected Jesus.His Father again.
My Father is GREATER than I am. I guess you ve never come accross that verse before. Ok


[color=#000099]1cor 11:3-...The head of a woman is her husband. Just as the head of a man is Christ...and the head of Christ is God.
Can you tell me what this verse means?


[/color]2cor 4:4...The god of this system of things has BLINDED the mind of the unbelievers that the light of truth may not shine through.

[color=#000099]From now on I want you to throw your doctrine away forawhile nd read the bible openmindedly. Thats how you understand a bit of it.

Luke 8:21 "And He answered and said to them, "My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.

Sarang:
And the bible said "who made you the Judge over your brother?

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God.

John 1:14-17 "And the word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
John bore witness of Him and cried out, saying, "This was He of whom I said, "He who comes after me is preferred before me, for He was before me.
And of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace.
For the law was given through Moses, grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

Revelation 19:13 "He was clothed with the rope dipped in blood, and His name is called The word of God.

John 1:18 "No one has seen God at any time, The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father. He has declared Him.

1 John 1:5 "God is light in Him there is no darkness at all.

Denying Christ as you do" you are worshipping a God you don't even know. Isn't that class as idol worship.

You don't want to preach it-and if you could preach it, you would confuse the neighbourhoods.

jemype:
but those whose core doctrines dont contradict the bible dont have time to preach it

Lets start at John 1:1.

Nicolars:
Dats a lie

Tell me 1 of their doctrines and were it contradicts the bible

I will tell u urz and hw it contradicts d bible