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Yes they do preach the truth about their own, but not about Christ.

Nicolars:
Jw ar actually not bad

People just critisizes them bcus they preach d truth

And wat now surprises me is dat, no matter wat they say, they always back it up with d bible, hw come they ar false xtians

You should love the JW's-you both refuse Christ as your lord and savour.

iamrealdeji:
I'm a muslim but I love Jehovah Witnesses so much,they come to my house every sunday and we talk about life,afterlife etc,my mum is an Alhaja and she does too,she entertains Jehovah witness folks and even offers them food cos you just gotta like this people cos of the way they interact with everybody, they're very intelligent,hardworking and educated folks and they don't discriminate,they don't hate,they're just trying to change the world positively. To me,they're the best christians in the world. Also,i have learned a lot from those that come to my house

You call yourself a Christian, and you call yourself EVILFOREST-good and evil don't mix together.
1 John 1:5-6 "This is the message we have heard from Him, and we declare to you. God is light and their is no darkness at all.
If we say we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth.

EVILFOREST:
I WITNESS JEHOVAH but am not a member.
I LOVE them so much because,
---Of all the CHRISTAIN denominations....
They are the MOST Enlightened, Educated, Exposed.
It is usually difficult to SPOT the Illiterates among them.

They train their KIDS to be resourceful in future
They are good at PUBLIC SPEAKING.
They dress modest.
They rarely give in, to the changes of the new age.

They study the BIBLE more than any other denomination.

Above all they have the BEST EVANGELISM network, involving both the rich and the poor. (youngest and oldest)
Their CLERGYMEN talk cautiously, unlike many others who talk back at the congregation carelessly.
Never MONEY driven nor conscious.

I always entertained them right from my CHILDHOOD and I have learnt a lot.
I just wish I can worship GOD, the way they do.
MOST times I feel ashamed as a christain when I see them.
I see them as CHRISTAIN EXTREMISTS.
I hope to pay them a visit soonest.

I Love them.

Quote>And what exactly JW's do to you.
So what makes you think that I am against you? As a Christian I am supporting the truth. "Christ" And of course the bible.
And its sad' when I hear religious groups like yours claiming to know Christ and yet, none of you preach Christ as he is.
Jesus had warned us about false prophets, who and will deceive many "and we both know" its the watchtower with other religious denominational groups' who are denying Christ as He stands.
The JW's believe that Jesus is not God-but a god.
John 1:1 "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God.
Remember I had written about God's seed.
John 10:30 "I and the Father are one.
It is you JW's who deny the deity of Christ, deny that He is God made flesh, deny that He is to be worshipped, and deny that it was God who shed His blood on the cross for sinners. Your New World Translation have mistranslated many passages of scriptures simply to make you agree with these false doctrines.
Even the Jews said to Jesus He was a god" not the word was God.
John 10:33-35 "The Jews answered Him for a good work we do not stone you, but for blasphemy and because you being a man make yourself to be a god, Jesus answered them, has it not been written in your law, I said you are gods, If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came.
The Jews didn't like the idea, God had given Jesus all His authority, how else could Jesus do the things He done' without His Father.
Ephesians 4:11 "And these are the gifts Christ gave to the Church, some apostles, some prophets, and evangelist the pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints, for the work of service-to the building up the body of Christ.
This is what makes up the body of Christ-Jesus is alive today' as He was back then. Miracles through prayer and the body are still operational.
Matthew 28:18 "Then Jesus came to them and said: all authority in Heaven and on Earth has been given to Me.
As I had written earlier, Jesus and the Father had shared the same seed, and that seed carries no sin.

So I am not against you-I just can't believe you would prefer to take the lie to the neighbourhoods, rather then believe in the love of the truth.
2 Thessalonians 2:10-11 "And all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. "And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie.

Sarang:
Brocab tell me what you think?

And what exactly Jws did to you.




Meanwhile im meeting with the elders today.
Prayers for me Family.

If I could understand your English, I may answer your question?

Sarang:
Brocab tell me what you think?

And what exactly Jws did to you.




Meanwhile im meeting with the elders today.
Prayers for me Family.

It seems you aren't really understanding the Supernatural connection Jesus has with His Father, as we all know Jesus never once called Himself a God-He always claimed He is doing His Fathers work, from an early age-Jesus knew who His Father was.
Jesus and God are connected-they are one, Jesus is God's seed-and Mary being His Mother-she to shares in that same seed.
Jesus had a strong relationship with both seeds.

{If we were to study ourselves in the natural' of course our seeds will belong to our fathers and mothers-being connected to a family} Jesus's seed was connected with His Father and Mother. {In the natural' most of us would follow after our Fathers,some our mothers-Like Jesus did.
I never had that chance connecting to my father, all I knew he was in the military' some of us are lucky, having a father around, will course his seed to grow, his own wisdom and knowledge weather in God or else where-would spread through his family tree.
From his father and the father before-it takes a little loving for any family seed to make it through to the next generation, and the next.}
Isn't Jesus doing the same-spreading His Fathers seed across to every generation.
2 Corinthians 6:18 "I will be a Father to you, And you shall be My sons and daughters. Says the Lord almighty.
So with connecting our seeds with Christ are we now called to be His sons and daughters. Children of the living God-which makes us part of God's family, what Jesus had started. and with the help of His Spirit we are also spreading His seed across every generation.

John 10:30 Jesus said: I and the Father are one.
See no-one has seen God at any time-because God is Love. He's the light that shines in us-and with that light the word shines through us.
2 Corinthians 4:6 "For God, who said, let light shine out of darkness, "made His light shine in our hearts, to give us the light of the knowledge of God's glory displayed in the face of Christ.

Jesus never once told anybody He is God, its His seed, that joins together as one with His Father.
Jesus never once disobeyed His Father-but obeyed Him true and true. Jesus and the father are one-their is no sin in God and their is no sin in Christ, meaning to say-the two are one.
In the natural It's the same with your fathers seed-you are one with him.

dolphinheart:
@ alexis



The New Testament, in An
Improved Version, Upon the
Basis of Archbishop Newcom
New Translation: With a
Corrected Text, London.
http://www.bible-researcher.com/belsham.html

There are several others and maybe you can use these two webpages to find them .

http://onlytruegod.org/defense/john1.1c.htm

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_1:1


I said manuscripts, not manuscript.
There are several that in which such words are not found.

Many other more recent Bible
versions likewise recognize the spurious added text and omit it, including the New International Version, American Standard Version and New American Standard Bible, English Standard Version, New English Bible and
Revised English Bible, New American Bible, Jerusalem Bible and New Jerusalem Bible, Good News Bible, New Living Translation, HolmanChristian Standard Bible, Bible in Basic English and the Twentieth Century New Testament.

“The textual evidence is against 1 John 5:7,” explains Dr. Neil Lightfoot, a New Testament professor. “Of all the Greek manuscripts,[/b] only two contain it.[/b]
These two manuscripts are of
very late dates, one from the
fourteenth or fifteenth century
and the other from the sixteenth century. Two other manuscripts have this verse written in the margin. All four manuscripts show that this verse was apparently translated from a late form of the Latin Vulgate” ( How
We Got the Bible, 2003,
pp. 100-101).

http://www.ucg.org/bible-study-tools/booklets/is-god-a-trinity/a-spurious-reference-to-the-trinity-added-in-1-john-5-7


http://www.biblicalunitarian.com/verses/1-john-5-7-8

Pls read this

tyndalearchive.com/scriptures/www.innvista.com/scriptures/compare/trinity.htm

In the Roman Catholic
tradition, the Latin Nova Vulgata
(New Vulgate), published in
1979 following the Second
Vatican Council, based on the
Critical Text and approved for
liturgical use, does not include
the Comma.[2] Nor does the
English-language New
American Bible.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma_Johanneum


So since you have access to most of these manuscripts, pls check them to see what 1 john 5:7 says and compare with what the site I posted said.



Your point is quite clear, I'm just telling you that the scriptures does not support ur views. That there are two CEO's in a company does not mean they have equal authority and privileges. Even if jesus is a CEO, he is still subjected to God, his father. And watever authority or power that jesus had, he was giving by his God.

On 2 Col 2:9 , Was the apostle Paul there saying that the “fulness” that was in Christ made Christ God himself? Not according to , where Christ is said to be “seated at the right hand of God.”

Col 3:1 Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.

Col 1:19
For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,



Thomas made the statement, not jesus, will you now retract accusation?



First the use of God with capital G is from translations, not from the greek manuscripts and definitely not from thomas' mouth.

A translations gives that verse thus : "My Lord and my God!"
Thomas exclaimed.

Jesus is a mighty God. But who did jesus tell mary earlier in that chapter to tell the disciples that ours and his God is?

"Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’ ”
Therefore jesus is not the almighty God as he made us realize he has a God . Hebrew 1:9 also supports this view .

"You have loved righteousness
and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy.


Verse 7 helps to identify the speaker : " I will be their God and they will be my children."
Inasmuch as Jesus referred to
those who are joint heirs with
him in his Kingdom as “brothers,” not “sons,” the speaker must be Jesus’ heavenly Father, Jehovah God.
Heb 2:10-12
Mat 25:40




Yes you are correct .


Nop, I do not agree that it is jehovah that is being referenced .

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Ill like to ask you to tell me ur views of 5 scriptures I will quote here, and relate it to trinity.

1. 1Cor 11:3
But I want you to realize that
the head of every man is
Christ, and the head of the
woman is man, and the head
of Christ is God.

2. 1cor 15:27-28
27 For he “has put everything under his feet.” c Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not
include God himself, who put everything under Christ.
28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put
everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

3. John 17:3
3 Now this is eternal life:
that they know you, the
only true God, and Jesus
Christ, whom you have sent.

4. 1 cor 8:5-6
"there are so-called gods,
whether in heaven or on earth
(as indeed there are many
“gods” and many “lords”),
6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

5. 1 peter 1:3
Praise be to[b] the God and
Father of our Lord Jesus. Christ![/b] In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the
resurrection of Jesus Christ
from the dead.

Can I answer your silly question "No the apostles didn't preach against the tithe-because none had mention it, why should they? Jesus didn't follow up on it.
You tithers keep on jumping the gun about tithing, but none of you tithe the way God had commanded the Jews to tithe.
Matthew 23:23 Jesus didn't say anything to the Pharisees about their tithes 'only because they had some decency to obey God's tithing rules.
Tithing back then' is nothing like today, giving and tithing have two different meanings-you are confusing yourselves with both words.
Freewill giving didn't come under the law like tithing did.

Such a shame u call it a scam when scriptures outlined d principles so clearly...and u call ursef a pastor? Did Apostle paul say in the scripute tithing is a scam? Did any of the apostles preach against it lyk we have present day believers doing? Infact did Jesus condemn tithing? Just answer this questions..then i will accept..am not acceptin fables generated by men who regard the church of Christ with disdain.

Thanks I will be waiting for your answer-as you can see I have added other scriptures-that is completely missing from the NJV and the JW's bibles besides Acts 8:37. I don't know if you are claiming to be a JW, But I assure you I am not.
I am a great fan in reading the King James bible.

ItsTime4me:
Thanks for the questions. Please I'll answer you when I'm done with my theocratic activities today. Stay well.

I know you are writing to another-so I ask does your friendliness, support you helping others who's asking a question?
Could you explain to me-why in the NIV bible and the JW's bible match up the same-all you NIV bible readers-need to switch bibles. Some with you JW's.
Matthew 12:47, 17:21, 18:11, 21:44, 23:14, are completely missing from both bibles.
Mark 7:16, 9:44, 9:46, 11:26, 15:28, 16:9-20, are also missing from both bibles.Luke 17:36, 22:43, 22:44, 23:17-John 5:4, 7:53, 8:11. Acts 8:37, 15:34, 24:7, 28:29. Romans 16:24, and 1 John 5:7.
You people need to catch up on some good reading, with these great verses taking out of the picture, no-wonder you people haven't the slightness idea what other Christians have to say.
A good King James-will support your needs.Don't believe the lie-ONLY believe in Christ.

ItsTime4me:
You are welcome my bro. Please feel free to ask any JW any question that is puzzling you and they will be very glad to use the bible to answer you. You could also visit our website: www.jw.org, click on bible teachings and you will find answers to lots of questions. Thanks.

This doesn't make any sense? Do not the JW's call themselves Christians-which means Christ like>are you upset because we are from a different denomination-and we see Christ as our Spiritual leader-our Lord and savour.
Are we the false accusers, you are preferring too because we don't follow after your organization, but our own in Christ.
I have news for you-there is no denominational groups in heaven John 3:16 Jesus said: those who believe in Him should not perish but have ever lasting life.

LinuxMint:
yeah bro, like my last statement, i will not keep on discussing with these false
accusers, xcept for d honest-hearted ones...

Listen I couldn't speak about God-without turning my life over to Him. I couldn't sit down in somebodies home preaching about a God I didn't know. I would be lying to myself, Let alone God.
Before I became a Christian I was just a simple man, I had no-knowledge about God, until that special day, I can say, now as I read through the scriptures, the Spirit of God reveals His secrets in me that's written in the bible.
He opens another doorway, that takes the blindness away from our eye's, we now have God's richness in His word.
I remember the day's I tried to read the bible, it made no sense to me-but now I am a Spirit filled Christian, having Christ as my Lord and savour, My king and my Lord. He just blows my mind' everything about Him, not only does He speak to us through His word, but also through our dreams and visions. This guy takes us places.
When the Lord's Spirit speaks through my spirit, I tell ya-its the most amazing voice ever heard within us beings.
I tell you the truth-God really connects with us.

So basely you don't really believe in the bible-and you don't really believe in Christ to be your spiritual leader-its Him or Mohamed-you can't see the differences-Listen if you haven't worked it out yet' who Christ is-the Son of God, then you are claiming a falsehood against the neighbourhoods. You are either announcing another Jesus, or you come in the name of Mohamed, or maybe Michael. Which one?
Ephesians 4:5 "Theirs only One Lord, one Faith and one baptism. Jesus Christ is Lord.
What gets me' you pounce around like Christians, claiming to the world you are the true believers-"believers to what? Without Christ you are dead..
If you really believe "Jesus is the Son of God"-then why haven't any of you-explained it to me why Acts 8:37 isn't written in the JW's bible.
We already know the answer to that, Its that you don't want people to see it. It would be confusing-firstly you tell them Jesus is Michael-and then the bible would be telling them Jesus is the Son of God. You haven't denied He is, but none of you have even agreed He is the Son of God.
It was you' who had written there are other translations that don't have Acts 8:37, When I had asked you to point out these translations, you had given me nothing. Now your complaining?
Now you are using the Prophet Mohamed as a spiritual leader' Till death do we part" Mohamed has a number one fan called Isis' a number one enemy against Christ.
And you cant see the differences between the two-how each are worshipped-I suppose you would praise Isis, before Christ.
I don't speak on my own authority-but the authority of Christ Listen the word of God doesn't come naturally in the flesh-it comes when the Spirit of God speaks through to our spirits, its the Spirit of God that revels the secrets about His words written in the bible, making us spirit filled Christians.
What's your story?

dolphinheart:
@ brocad.
Its not easy to understand you with the way you write.



So u did not check it out, well no problem, the truth aren't for everyone. Those who's heart are aligned to finding the truth would look at why some translations have a similar view of acts 8:37 with the NWT.


And you refuse to apply it, hence the statement below


Even if you study to find fault, pls study the right things. You have seen the responses of several Jehovahs witnesses on these thread, has any of them said or implied that jesus is not the son of God?
There are numerous statements in the scriptures telling us about jesus being the son of God, compare those verses in ur translation with NWT and come back to tell everyone here what you see.



A lot of people always use these same story to show they are telling the truth. They use it simply cus they feel it can not be verified. Prophet mohamed used the same method, claiming spiritual influence. How do we know who is right or wrong? Not everyone shouting jesus!, jesus! Is telling the truth.

You cant understand the bible because you study another-Maybe if you would read the bible correctly-we wouldn't be in this mess.
I haven't come to you on my own, the words I speak are directly from the word of God.
Its the word of God that cuts a man into-I am just a simple man-without the word of God, my words means nothing.
Don't run from the truth-and tell the viewers why the JW's had translated their bible, given us your reason why you left out Acts 8:37 from your bible that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Sarang:
Bro..Cant you write something in a way it can be understood?
Im not here to fight or curse churches or tell people I know better than them.

Maybe if you write clearer I might understand. For now,still no show. Sorry

Is this all you have-firstly I am not preaching to you-all I have done was speak the truth. its your problem if you have seen it as a insult. But the truth still stands without question, that you yourself can't answer.

Sarang:
And the holy spirit taught you the bible to insult people?

If you preach like this,you wont covert a single person.
First,work on your anger then lets talk later.

See ya bro!

Name your bibles with these numerous translations? Yes I agree studying to find the truth then studying to find fault, then I advise you-to read the bible written by God-not some bible written by the JW's. Theirs only one bible who claims Jesus isn't the Son of God-and its your bible who had chosen to re-write a new bible-trying to prove to our viewers that Jesus is no-more then the Ark Angel Michael.
Rubbish>I suppose all cults refuse Christ.
And besides what truth are you preferring too, you receive your truths from men, my truth are from God. What you don't understand is the bible isn't just a book that's written in the flesh' like every other fairy tale books like yours-it has a spiritual side to it, and its not men that teaches you the bible it's the Holy Spirit who teaches us the truths what God is saying.
The truth will set you free.

dolphinheart:
In continuation of the ^^^^^
@ brocad , have you ever checked why other numerous translations do not have acts 8:37.?

Studying to know the truth is better than studying to find fault.

Quote> to be sincere with you, despite all you wrote I couldn't understand a thing.
Well perhaps if you would just study the bible, and not your own re-written bible-than you may understand what the Spirit of God is showing you-He interprets, how the bible is written.
See the bible isn't just a everyday book, the bible is a spiritual book, and to connect with it you must give your life completely over to Christ. and become a born again Christian-Its the Spirit of God who shows us the true meanings what the word of God says.
Centuries have past' and still in this day and age-Man have tried to use their own fleshly minds to work out to truth about Christ, and still man seems overly confused who God really is, listen we need the Spirit to glide our ways.
Man can't understand the bible without the Spirit of God-its impossible to even go down that road in the flesh. You JW's believe only certain men and women have these spiritual gifts, in God's eye's we all do from those who chose to believe. Listen the bible stands above all other books-You cant change what God had written. Its the truth that will set you free.
John 3:6 flesh gives birth to flesh, but the spirit gives birth to spirit. Meaning to say, the flesh can't answer what is spiritual.
It's funny with you JW's you always find it hard practising the truth-you are walking through the neighbourhoods sharing not the truth about Christ-but another, your teachings is like living in a pictured fairy tale.
Your beliefs are against every other religions-you believe only the 144 000 will rein with Christ. Well I have news for you, turn from your wicked ways, come and follow Christ, He will give you that same promise He had given to all His followers.
I do understand why you are finding it hard to understand the truth about Christ.
But hey I am here to help you.
So I have to write this again>When the lord said the meek shall inherit the earth-He is talking about the new Jerusalem coming down from heaven, In the mean time our spirits rein with Christ. Revelation 21:2 Then I John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.
I hope you understand that?
And still you have refused to tell our viewers why the JW's rewrote your bible, and why did the Watchtower leave out Acts 8:37 its because the JW's don't believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God-but the Ark Angel Michael who came into the world just as a man, and returned back as the Angel, sitting at the right side of the throne of God.
As I said: you take verses out from each chapter, without having any understanding, every chapter has a story-and if you want me to be convinced then preach the word as its written.

Sarang:
A very simple question yet no answer.
So u saying I should focus on the scriptures you cited and let others go?

Of course the lord said that,he also said the meek ones will inherit the EARTH and delight themselves in exquisite abundance of peace.

To be sincere with you,despite all you wrote I couldnt understand a thing.

As for the scripture,Jehovahs witness is not the only church that wrote their scripture..and what more,we did so from the original manuscript. That is why. We had to translate without mixing our beliefs,exactly what is on that manuscript.

Do you know perhaps the story of
William Tyndale and his disciple Coverdale?

You see we do not leave any bible verse in obscurity.
We believe that some people will go to heaven and others earth.. but you only believe that ALL good people will go to heaven.

So what do you have to say about Psalm 37:29.10,11?

Revelation 6:9-11 the fifth seal>When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held.
And they cried with a loud voice, saying "How long, O Lord, Holy and True until you judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?"
And a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.
So we see the word is telling the story-its written in black and white-the saints are already waiting in heaven.

Its good about you JW's you pick out one script-without reading the rest, trying to push your point across-without reading the hole chapter in
Matthew 5 verse 10 Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness " sake, For theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Verse 12 "Rejoice and exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in HEAVEN, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you. Meaning to say> our brethren are resting in heaven until the day of the Lord. {Nothing is said about the 144 000 you JW's believe}
Revelation 21:1-8 " And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea.
Then I John, saw the Holy City, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be with them and be their God.
"And God will wipe away every tear from their eye; there shall be no more death,nor sorrow, nor crying; and there shall be no more pain, for the former thing have passed away.
Then He who sat on the throne said: "Behold, I make all things new." And He said to me, Write, for these words are true and faithful.
And He said to me, "Its done! I and the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give of the foundation of the water of life freely to him who thirsts. {And theirs still more to come into the kingdom}
" He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be His God and He shall be My son.
" But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murders, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have there part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.
So if this doesn't help you, to see the scriptures talking to you, then theirs nothing I could help you with, these are the words from the Lord. {Not my own}
One question I would like to ask since you are in a great mood, why the change-why do the JW;s believe they needed to rewrite another bible? And leaving out the main verses such as Acts 8:37-I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Why hide the truth?

Sarang:
Permit me to ask..if all the believers go to heaven to rule with Christ who will be on the Earth?

Reference: Psalm 37:10,11. 29
Mattew 5:5
Rev 21:4.

One scripture we won't find in the JW's bible is Acts 8:37 I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
You claim you know Jesus with your lips, but your hearts are far from Him.
Matthew 23:13 Jesus said: "But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in. You believe only a 144 000 will rein with Christ-how wrong you are, Jesus said: all those who chose to believe in Him and follow His commandment's will enter in to be with Him.
No-true believer misses out.
You search the neighbourhoods-coming in the name of the Watchtower-you are leading the innocent to hell. You have turned the bible scriptures around, writing your own, leaving out who Jesus really is.

Well said: Russell was buried under the Masons pyramid, only because he was a 33 Rd Freemason-when He started to JW's-like Joseph Smith another 33 Rd Mason who started the Mormons.
The Masons believe Lucifer is the true name of their God.

akin33:
In fact, the grave of the founder Russell was design with
illuminati Pyramid triangle

Your not listening>I said God the Father had handed over all His authority over to Jesus-so with respect we true believers continual praying in Jesus's name.
He isn't the little God as you JW's have lined Him up to be-Jesus is the King of kings and the Lord of lords, with the authority God have given Him-Jesus stands above Heaven and Earth. Meaning to say>no-one can go to the Father without Jesus, no-one can enter into heaven without Jesus, nor be saved without Him, true believers worship Him and Him only.
Catholicism plays a big part-even they don't fully accept Jesus as there Lord and savour-this video tells it' as it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFExZQyNbf0 https:/
Jehovah Witnesses are a Satanic Organization, based upon the occult of Freemasonry, the founder of the JW's was Charles Taze Russell a 33rd degree Freemason; same with Joseph Smith, another 33 Rd degree Mason is the founder of the Mormon cult.
Look at Charles Russell burial ground, they laid him under a Freemasonry pyramid

lordtim001:
So if you want to pray,you would end your prayer with:In God's name,i have prayed?Please answer me because i dont see how anyone has a problem with praying in Jesus name and i dont see where Catholicism comes into play...Its general and BTW,if you dont have anything resourceful to say or a meaningful question to ask,just keep your thunbs outta this thread....Let us serve God the way we want to

Quote> We pray to Jehovah through Jesus?
Isn't Jesus good enough to pray to Him directly-it shows clearly the JW's have used that old pagan religion the Catholic's had used for centuries, in their case they worship Mary-only to recognize Jesus through her.
In your case its Jehovah.
Jesus said: I and the Father are one-meaning to say Jesus is God's seed. There's no other way into heaven without Jesus, God gave His Son all His authority.
Matthew 28:18 "Then Jesus came and spoke to them, saying "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on Earth.
Praying to Jesus directly, God hears, Jesus is given what God has given Him, the problem is you don't preach Jesus-you preach the watchtower, and the Watchtower is covered from cover to cover with illuminati written all over it, even your pictures show signs of demons and witchcraft these are the books you leave in every neighbourhood.
I have studied with the JW's I have sat in your temples, I found every time I had enter in, the teaching is all about the watchtower, not once had I heard the bible even mention. Of course you have your own written bibles-like the Mormons do.
Yearly the JW's re-write your bible. Jesus had warned us not the change anything that's written in the bible, and you have done just that, you have your own written bibles-separating the truth from God, like the Mormons have.
You say you know God with your lips-but your hearts are far from Him, Jesus said: by their fruits you will know them, and your fruit worships only the watchtower.

LinuxMint:
good u didn't mention Jesus is the Almighty God., bt son of God...

and mind u, we believe in Jesus n recognize him as Jehovah's only begotten son , and we pray to Jehovah tru Jesus. ... otherwise who commanded us to preach if not Jesus?

b4 u make a point abt jw, find out firstly what they believe

Are not the JW's pushing for the New World Order while door knocking around all neighbourhoods.
Jesus had warned us these things must take place, and sure enough not only the JW's who are pushing for the New World Religion-but the Mother of Churches the Roman Catholic Church Pope Francis is behind the scene's calling out to leading Churches around the world so all believers may bind together once again.
Revelation 13:16-18 Also it courses all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, so no-one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name.
Revelation 22:19 And if anyone takes away from the words from this book of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life.
Take note-its a pretty heavy risk to tackle-and you JW's speak with your lips to know God-and yet you don't recognize His Son Jesus, to be your Lord and Savour.
Jesus is the true Shepard-He is our gateway to heaven, He is the light of this world, the way and the truth, the true vine, the bread of life I tell you the truth before Abraham was born Jesus said I am. Jesus Christ is Lord.

Someday the lord will show our confused brothers and sisters the true meaning where our blessings actually come from.
As we can see in this day and age-Churches are creating business, supporting a large committee of thief's working together without the blessing's of God-using the tithing system as a tool for easy access-people need to understand-tithes aren't used to support the sick-or feed the hungry.
Pastors are now designed to use the word of God by twisting and turning the scriptures-knowing that the people in Church are not prepared to even dare to question any authority that had been handed down from the head Church of Satan.
From our beloved God-the tithing system was designed only to support the needy-back then the Pharisees had other idea's and changed what God had created-and made the tithing system away to collect their wages from men.
It's the offerings that pay's the bills, supports the sick, feeds the poor, It's the offerings we hear little about that shows great signs and wonders amongst us all.

JimiCoker:
10 percent of our income belongs to God, not pastor. I would prefer if a committee could be set up to determine how tithes are spent. People say don't worry about how your tithe is used, just play your own part, God will bless you. That's nonsense. You see a way through which the needy could be fed, educated and catered for, yet you look away because pastor has other plans for the money?? Jesus never opened any church, he went about 'doing good' and 'preaching the gospel', not raking millions from his followers. Instead of frantically opening new branches and putting his members under tremendous strain, why not do more of evangelism? Hope you know missionaries are often left to their fates when they get to the field. Why not buy food for the hungry, open free primary/secondary schools in rural areas, provide capital and business ideas for the unemployed youth, instead of buying multi-million dollar jets to cruise in style. Who is fooling who? How many horses did Jesus and his disciples have? Is it because they could'nt afford to buy them? Many followers feel bitter about the way they're coerced to spend their money, but they keep doing it because they believe they'll miss that blessing that is just around the corner or they're too scared to go against pastor's order.
Just in case you don't get the picture, 64 million dollars in naira is twelve billion, seven hundred and forty-eight million, eight hundred thousand naira. Nigeria's population is about 173.6 million. Try to wrap your head around that.

No-ones bitching brother-the lord had open the doors for us to share the good news with the lost brothers and sisters who are still lost and confused between the two words' tithing and giving.

JimiCoker:
Everybody stop bitching and moaning, let's face reality. Some people have never and will never participate in voting exercises, yet they are mandated to pay taxes, even though they can't see how their money is being used. People will always be brainwashed into believing giving their money to pastors will somehow bring them riches. In fact, the poorer you are, the more attractive this offer seems. So for those of us that are free from manipulation, let's just thank God for opening our eyes and pray he opens the eyes of the teeming poor church members, before they invest their childrens futures in fueling their pastors jets.

Firstly I am not trying so hard to believe that paying tithes is wrong, the word say's its wrong.
Quote> Please try not to mis-Quote me Mr. Don't you like hearing the truth?

Jesus change the law' not only did He change them he fulfilled them-some He shut down completely-and the tithing system was one of them-it didn't work back then, and it still aren't working today, not the way God had plan it to work anyway.
As we can see in today's day and age things have changed and as Jesus had written it, wolves in sheep clothing will rise up and deceive many. Satan had led his warriors into battle having decided to take over the food industries-raising the prices on fuel-power and on all living expenses, schools-etc...taking God's plan out of the picture-twisting and turning, giving his authority over to men.
Jesus said it is easier for a camel to enter through an eye of a needle' then for a rich man to enter into heaven.
Prove me wrong?
Matthew 23:13-23 But woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees hypocrites! For you pay tithe of Mint {herb} and anise and cumin {herbs} and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: Justice and mercy and faith. These things you ought have done, without leaving the others undone.
So we see, the Pharisees weren't following the rules-they believed in the tithing system, professing to know God with there lips-but their hearts were far from Him.
A Pharisee lifting his head up high and prayed>I thank God, I am not like one of these' a tax collector, the tax collector stood behind him with his head down beating his chest-forgive me God for I am a tax collector.

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, "Cursed is everybody who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.
You have chosen to follow after that very same law, at least you should obey the rest of these laws. It's pointless picking just one law out of 613 to obey.
In Matthew 23>Jesus had put His point across about the Pharisees, if they were blessed by God-then Jesus wouldn't have any bad word to say against them. The problem was-God wasn't blessing them-their blessings came from each other.
HE'S NOT BLESSING YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE CHOSEN TO OBEY THE LAW ON TITHING, WE ARE BLESSED-BECAUSE WE HAVE CHOSEN TO FOLLOW AFTER CHRIST OBEYING HIS COMMANDMENT TO FREELY GIVE. TITHING HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.
The money making tithing system has nothing to do with God, building mega Churches homes and flying around in private jets isn't God's plan for wealth-you suckers have already started to build your kingdoms here on planet earth-Satan made it clear-he offered Jesus everything, all the riches any man would want-but Jesus turned him down. Jesus had chosen to live poor-with the poor, He said foxes have holes, birds have nest, but I have no place to rest My head.
Jesus said My sheep follow Me-My sheep know My voice-meaning to say-seek first the kingdom of God and all things shall be added to you. He already knows what we need before we ask Him. I think this sums it up..Don't you?

ceecee0703:
You are trying so hard to convince yourself that paying tithe is wrong but the truth is its you choice your money your live and Gods blessing.

Please try not to mis-quote me Mr,i said Jesus didn't change tithing because it was great the way it was instead he said if you bring anything in the altar and you have hurt against your brother then go back to reconcile meaning in the new dispensation of grace tithing and whatever form of offering should be hinged on grace.

Mal 3:6-10....For i am the lord i CHANGE not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not confused.
Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from ordinance,and have not kept them, Return unto me and i will return unto you, saith the Lord of host. But ye said wherein shall we return unto?

Will a man rob God? yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In TITHES and OFFERINGS

YE say cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me even this whole nation.

Bring ye all the tithes into the store house, that they may be meat in my house, and PROVE(try me) me now herewith saith the Lord of host. If i will not open the windows of heaven and pour you out a blessing , THAT THEY SHALL NOT BE ROOM ENOUGH TO RECEIVE IT.

And i shall rebuke the devourer for your sakes and he shall rebuke not destroy the fruits of your ground (your source of increase for those that are not farmers in todays context) neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field(have u wondered why when co-workers are sacked with all their connections little me is promoted instead) said the Lord of host.

Mr cab or whatever your name is i swim in the blessedness of tithing. I swim in the blessedness of giving, am an addict to tithing i can't stop and i will never ever stop until God stops blessing me via tithing. since he can't i won't. Take ur ideology to someone u can beguile.

You need to ask God for better directions. Malachi 3:10-it still doesn't spell out the way you are trying to make it sound.
When I first started my Christian walk-I myself was taught about the tithing lie, confused as I was-"sounds like didn't read the way man had spelt it out to be.
So unless you could give me something about the tithing theory, then we will both have a better understanding.
But you keep on side tracking with other rubbish, I have come to you with fall understanding we are both Christians and believe in the same word-are you a pentecostal or am I talking with another,are we speaking about the same bible?
Listen its not your fault-we have all falling from the truth-as a brother or I am trying to do for you' is ask you to read the scriptures yourself, rubbish me, who cares? Its the word who has the last say-the truth will set you free.

Quote>Jesus either modify laws or leave them the way it is?
Question?-do you obey all of the 613 laws? Then I must say one of God's laws were-if a child was disobedient towards his or her's parents, refuses to obey God's law, they were sent to the elders of that city to be stoned to death, because of their disobedience.
Jesus said: If you love your child you would discipline them.
This shows the parents didn't have much love to discipline their own children back in those days, cold hearted parents, ones who could watch their own being stoned to death in front of that city.
Jesus sure made a different's when He said, Love your God with all your heart, mind and soul, this is the first commandment-the second is this>love your neighbour as yourself.
He made it clear. He had fulfilled the laws.
I have read Matthew 23 up and down, Hebrews-I have searched the scriptures about Abram-Malachi talks about the levite priesthood-But I can't find the change? Where God made it clear, bring all your tithes into the storehouse-and yet He wasn't speaking to everybody-only that few-I can't find that change-where Jesus had said: all man kind must pay tithes?
Maybe you could share a little light on the subject-and point out where Jesus had changed, the tithing laws-from the old testament-a small few who by law had to pay at least 23% yearly in tithes and offerings to the levites, then the levites paid 10% tithes to Aaron head priest of that year.
I can't see where Jesus made the switch?

ceecee0703:
You are really jobless bro ....no disrespect to u though.....my money,my God,my life,my blessing what's your problem ....i don't really get it. If u had a lot of sense you will understand that Jesus didn't come to break the law but to fulfill it. so if Jesus came to fulfill the law does it mean that tithing is excluded. Jesus either modify laws or leave them the way it is.
In giving anything Jesus said it should be out of love not compulsion and if anyone is offended by you your gifts should be left at the altar cos it will amount to nothing. but bros open your eyes and ask the holy Ghost for direction or better prove God just d way he said in Malachi 3:10. that condition u are passing through tithe ur way out of it. if u decide not to please 'Fe mi si le'

Explain what benefits can one retrieve from tithing, and whom do you get these benefits from?God didn't make the tithing system so one can make a profit-He made it so one can be blessed by using the tithing system to way He created it.
Its impossible to claim you are being blessed by the Lord, when you know yourself, tithing was for the Jewish people to bring in the food produce to the levite priesthood.
We are not Jews, but gentiles-God didn't give us that law to pay tithes to anybody-He gave a free willed giving-so when we give we give from our heart-we don't need anyone to tell us we are breaking God's law-because we aren't.
The word of God was for the Jews first-and soon after for the Gentiles, Paul had this same argument, the Jewish law said the all believers must follow there laws, one must be circumcised.
But things have changed since then, so it shows we don't have to obey all the Jewish laws, and tithing was one of them.
So the Gentiles believed in Christ without all the commotion even in those days.
Tithing foods as the Lord said to do, is the keys to success.
I have asked you to point out any scripture to back up-where food and produce, changed from a yearly tithe to a weekly wage-but you will never find such a script.
So how can the Lord bless you, if you aren't willing to follow the word of God true and true.
Your blessings more likely come from a man-family friends etc....

ceecee0703:
I see u really dont av nothing doing....plz i love my tithing money system the benefits therein cant be quantified so plz let me be its my life,my increase, my choosing. According to u u are doing the best so let me ride on my on ways that has showered alot of blessings for me ejor biko!!

It's sad you have chosen to turn your back away from the truth, only to follow after a tithing money system, without using the power of God-it took one man to change the world.
Jesus knew Mammon [money] can take a mans heart away from God, without argument, you already know deep down you are walking the highways, ask the lord to direct your path, ask him to guild your way back to the straight and narrow road.

ceecee0703:
Hia see me see gbege ooo... I pay tithe with my own God given money so whats ur stress. I've told u times without number i love my tithe paying life plz jus enjoy ur non paying tithe.

Tithes in this day and age isn't used as it should, God's law was for the richer farmers to pay tithes to help support the levite priest, because they couldn't own any land in lsrael, by committing themselves to God to work in the temple God rewarded them with a tithe from the richer Jewish people.
Not all Jews paid tithes, only those people who were richer having farms and merchandise more then the others.
No where is it said in the bible where Jesus paid tithes, and if tithing was meant for today-then Jesus would have shown us in word and in action-show me where its written where Jesus had changed the tithing system from what was foods yearly to a cash flow weekly?
Tithing back then was used to feed the poor the widows and strangers.
Bring all your tithes into the storehouse so My people maybe fed.
Jesus also tells us when you give, give to those who can't give back to you, He says when we give to our family and friends, our reward comes back to us.
Tithing wasn't used for this same reason, it wasn't used to feed our love ones-but strangers-the poor and the widows, God used tithing so His people may be fed. [Not given a cash flow].

You say the truth is annoying and its irritating you, l can't free you, only Jesus can, but as long as the word lives, l will share it.
You say your tithing pays you well in return, the blessings from xxxx has poured over you with plenty of cash.
You are no different then those who are walking the high life, following after Satan's plan to draw God's people away from the truth, selling their souls for his glory filled with cash.

ceecee0703:
I careless to know what u think u are sounding more n more irritating n annoying shuuu....them done hold gun for ur head say make u pay tithe if u no wan pay ur tithe or even give offering for church no give no pay....na waoo. if ur church dey harasse or embarasse we no pay my church no dey do dat. I pay tithe and i have continued in it becos i have seen the gains in it. Ogbeni go and read d biography of J.C penny...ready JD rockfella. Its a choice to tithe or give offering and i have choosen to do all na my money so free me joor

Since you have access to the computer, you should look it up' who and what countries pays tithes, and why do they still believe in obeying one law and not them all, maybe because this law had been twisted so much, that the only thing' people can only think about is how to make a Quick buck, and in this day and age Churches are set up as a business, lnstead of a house of prayer. You need to make an appointment these days-to even see anybody of any authority involving in any Church, and that can take some weeks.
Jesus showed us clearly when He entered the temple grounds, and found the money changes, buying and selling merchandise in His Fathers house.
Today the Churches is doing that very same act-as that temple did back than, twisting and turning the word of God for cash, is destroying the true meaning of God's love for His Church, by taken His people away from the truth.
Satan's plan is to destroy all God's creation.
The lord had clearly warned us this will happen, Quote Matthew, you can't worship God and Mammon at the same time, you will either hate the one and love the other.
Quote Timothy 6, men of corrupt minds destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a sort of gain [finance], from such withdraw yourselves.
Meaning to say test the word, these men in sleep clothing had accepted Satan's proposal, with high rewards.

ceecee0703:
Tithe of All- tithe of all his increase...after that war he paid a tithe of all the spoils.....10%....n who told u tithe is not paid in israel today? if i pay shey na my money and God gave it to me (Deut 8:18) d only thing God warned is dont give offering n tithe n be wicked cos nothing come to such a one...but if i should stop paying tithe i cant do dat...

let me break this news to u...growing up my mother inbibed this tithe thing in me she paid it too frm her salary as a student i paid it to frm my pocket money u know what places where my mate dropped off i was never held back....i saw unmerited favours in d hardest of times so why should i stop what is gainful now? i jus cant its now a lifestyle and its Gods lifestyle to bless me....chikina

When God gives' He doesn't ask for it back, you are not offending God if you don't pay tithe, matter of fact you are following after His Son Jesus, when you don't tithe.
Your Mama, was brainwashed believing in the tithing system, she was lied too' by wolves in sheep clothing, its not her fault you had followed after her steps, listen ask the Holy Spirit to guild your reading' as l and many had done the same. The truth will set you free.
Jesus said birds have nest, foxes have holes, but l have no place to rest My head, does this sound like Jesus living the high life, living of the tithes and offerings, as Churches do today.
Did not Satan offer Jesus all the kingdoms of the world, and Jesus rebuked the devil, by saying, get behind Me Satan, you shall obey God and Him only you shall serve.
Again Jesus knock back a huge opportunity to become rich, He warns us all through the bible, what riches He prefers us to have, wisdom and knowledge in the word of God.
This is the keys that opens up the doors to heaven for those to truly seek after Him.

ceecee0703:
Tithe of All- tithe of all his increase...after that war he paid a tithe of all the spoils.....10%....n who told u tithe is not paid in israel today? if i pay shey na my money and God gave it to me (Deut 8:18) d only thing God warned is dont give offering n tithe n be wicked cos nothing come to such a one...but if i should stop paying tithe i cant do dat...

let me break this news to u...growing up my mother inbibed this tithe thing in me she paid it too frm her salary as a student i paid it to frm my pocket money u know what places where my mate dropped off i was never held back....i saw unmerited favours in d hardest of times so why should i stop what is gainful now? i jus cant its now a lifestyle and its Gods lifestyle to bless me....chikina

If Abram paid the tithe of all, then why are you still paying tithes?
Abram gave all what he retrieved from the spoils of war, you are mistaking-giving from the heart-is not the same as tithing by law.,
No-one has offended me, not you, l just see a need to help guild a brother into the word of God, don't run from the truth, save your 10% and more, you will know a true blessing when the Spirit leads you to give for the right reasons.
Obeying one law out from 613 laws isn't good enough, if you truly loved the Lord, you would follow after Him true and true, not some old law that was only given to some Jews to obey back then. lt is written Jesus paid a tax-Peter took it from a fishes mouth-he did not tithe.
Not even in Israel do they pay tithes today, so why should you?.

ceecee0703:
I disagree with u sir am no fool....i am a god moulded after the image of my father. mayb u should try to read leviticus to get a better picture of tithing or Ask paul who said Abraham paid a tithe of all.

And besides if i give to the poor as many as my hands find and i never miss paying my 10%of what ever enters my acct including casual office allowance and God keeps increasing me in multiple folds plz why should i stop.

so bros dont take pills for me but all the christians dat pay their tithe when they hav its their money n not yours so quit ranting ok....sorry if i offended u anyways. have a great day