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Its believers who are willing to study the word of God-this is the church

dmandy:
No, your message is not clear: Which one am I supposed to receive?

Is the church the word of God or a group of called out believers. Or Is a group of called out believers same as word of God?

In a bid to prove the bible wrong, you are busy contradicting yourself. What does this tell you "YOU CAN NEVER FIGHT THE WORD OF GOD".

You lie very well.

dmandy:
Pained?

Welcome back from sabbatical.

You can do well to point out the twisted words.

Are you short of straws to grasp? Check below.

I rather sound silly than lie. But you, you rather lie and run. May the Almighty and Merciful God, heal your lying tongues.

You sound more confused then I, the Church was never a building, its people getting together sharing about the word of God.
If you could understand about this scripture-Jesus said to Peter this information didn't come from flesh and blood-but by My Father who is in Heaven. Peter really didn't understand what just happened, these word wasn't his own words, the Father in heaven had uttered him to speak out the truth about the word of God.
Quote>You are hear saying Jesus will build a Church, and then no Church building is being talked about.
Again it means-the words he spoke-Jesus said He will build His Church on the word God gave to Peter, its the word of God that the church is built on, Jesus is our true foundation, Jesus is the chief corner stone.
A church building is a place where everyone can meet, Its the word of God that builds the church, people can start a church at home.
The church is a group of called out believers, who assemble in Jesus name.
Matthew 18:20 "every time a group of born again believers assemble together, a local New Testament Church had formed.
The idea of universal {ie"Catholic} Church is not taught in the scriptures. Certainly, every believer is a part of the overall body of Christ.
But the distinction must be made between the body of Christ, and the local New Testament Church which Jesus began in His Earthly ministry.
There are NO universal Church today.
The bible teaches, on a New Testament Church based upon the early Church in the book of Acts, and the Epistles.
God has given us an example to follow in the scriptures.
Philemon 1:2 "speaks of having a Church in ones home "And to our beloved Apphia, and Archchippus our fellow soldier, AND THE CHURCH IN THY HOUSE.
Again we read in Colossians 4:15 "Salute the brethren, which are in Laodicea, and Nymphas, and the CHURCH WHICH IS IN HIS HOUSE.
"You don't need a government licence to biblically start a Church in your home. You don't need a big building, with chandeliers, padding carpeting, a pulpit, a choir, pews and a altar. Your home can be a Church if it's a gathering place for Christians who desire to study the word of God.
Are you receiving the message clearly? The church is built on the word of God.

dmandy:
Okay, the scripture is not about Peter, the Catholic church probably added Peter there. But at least, It has something to do with Christ building a church and he was saying it to somebody (and according to brocab that person is not Peter). This passage also has nothing to do with Peter "and he brought Simon to Jesus. When Jesus saw him, He said, "You are Simon, son of John. You will be called Cephas" (which means "Rock". ". Nothing.

The Church has everything to do with it, it is catholic because it is universal (And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations. Look up the word 'catholic'. You are probably the most confused human on earth... You are here quoting Jesus saying he will build a church and then that no church building is being talked about. Your hatred for the catholic church is driving you crazy, pray hard.
You don't need large church (The Church of Jesus Christ is One) but Jesus does. You probably will question why he chose twelve instead of three and why he commissioned them to recruit more instead of closing the door. Open your eyes, you are being to deceived to hate Jesus without knowing.
Nice story, wish it was in the bible.

There's a lot of twisted words here, of course. But its funny to see how silly you sound.

dmandy:
Scene 2 opens with italo educating one vooks that the bible was inspired by the holy spirit and cannot lie.


Vooks: ...yah, blessed rather are those that heard the word of God and kept it not Mary.

italo: But Mary heard the word and kept it.

vooks: she kept words shared by angel (implying that was not God's word) and therefore cannot be special.

italo: But Elizabeth under the influence of the Holy spirit thinks she was special.

vooks; No, that was Elizabeth's opinion

italo: But she was under the influence of the holy spirit and Holy spirit cannot supervise heresy

probably convinced that the Holy Spirit thinks Mary special or lacking any other straw to grasp, vooks disappeared from scene, then appears brocab (remember him from scene one). Yes, the one that says snapping passport is idolatry.

brocab: You call us Mary haters but we are telling you the word of God.

italo: But Luke 1 41-45 is the word of God

brocab: Yes that is true but (I have to just find something to prove the bible wrong, ok let me think) But You worship worship Mary as your savior, (not knowing how to prove that assertion, he forgot he was opposed to Elizabeth being filled with the holy spirit and went on. But Elizabeth is also favored by God why don't you worship her.

italo: (Understanding now that brocab is irredeemable answered) We also honour St. Elizabeth the same way we honor St. Mary.

brocab: (Obviously confused) I am also a saint my name is St. Brocab . Why don't you honor me? (understanding that that doesn't make any sense went on) But the church is in error

dmandy appears in the scene

dmandy: The church is error? You cannot continue ranting, but the bible says the gate of hell shall not prevail against it.

brocab: No, the church is just two or three who are gathered in the name of Jesus.

dmandy: Its much more than that, Jesus actually built a church and commissioned it to spread

brocab: Jesus said he will build a church. The passage is not talking about any church.

dmandy: But Jesus actually built a church and there is no parallel church.

brocab: You have to put Jesus first

dmandy: Yes I put Jesus first. But how can you explain Jesus to a kid?

brocab: Just talk to him about Jesus and show him Jesus in your life

dmandy: But that is my question, how do you make the kid understand what you are talking about Jesus?

brocab: ....

brocab: ....


Now, this is my lesson from this little drama:

(i) These people are uncomfortable where they are.

(ii) Seeing that they can never agree on anything since the teachings of General Overseer on a particular topic is very different from that of Man of God and that of Bishop is no where near that of Apostle which of course makes a mockery of the teachings of the Senior Prophet.

(iii) Faced with so much chaotic and diverse views about God and his Word they seek a point of unity

(iv) Hunted by the fact there can't possibly be any unity in their shameful diversity, they envy anything that is uniform and organized. You hear them talk of organized religion and all that a feat they lack.

(v) afraid that since they don't agree on anything, obviously some of them are wrong since only one can be right, they fear they might loose heaven and then the fear breeds attack.

(vi) They attack everything and anything Catholic because they don't understand how it is possible that Catholic Church can agree.

(vii) Because it is impossible to them, they think the devil must be responsible because according to them God cannot be so organized.

(viii) When bring up their own version of Catholic teaching and you point to them the correct church teaching, they say but its not in the bible and when you point it out in the bible, they say but it is a one-off event, when you show them another similar event, they go on sabbatical and never answer you again waiting secretly for another member of their camp to raise yet another issue into which they jump with all their might and the cycle continues...

In conclusion, Satan did not rest when he was tempting Jesus (alas even with scriptures) until Jesus stopped preaching and Rebuked him. Having said this I will end with ' GET LOST SATAN, and keep believing whatever makes you feel comfortable wherever you are until you meet your creator'.

Matthew 16:16-18 "Jesus said, and who you say that I am, Peter answered and said, you are the Christ the Son is of the living God, Jesus then said, flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in Heaven.
I also say to you, you are Peter and upon this rock I will build My Church, and the gates of hades will not come against it.
This scripture isn't about Peter, Jesus said, He will build His Church with the word of God, it was God who had revealed this information to Peter. And with His word, the gates of hades will not prevail against it.
The Catholic Church has nothing to do this scripture. No Church building has.
The word says when two or three are gathered Christ is in the midst of them. We don't need large Churches to fill up-only two or three, gathered.
I will share a little story to you, Jesus was walking, and He had noticed a young man sitting on the foot path, He went over to him and sat beside Him, Jesus asked, what's wrong, the young man replied, and said, the Church wont let me in, Jesus said, I know how you feel, they won't let Me in either.

dmandy:
God's church is not a building and I didn't say such. It's God people and Christ established in thus "And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it'.

Bro, it is much more than two or three people gathering in the name of Jesus. It's a commission, and I don't care if it you believe that or not. The succession of apostles and men and women from entrusted to teach the God news to ends of the world up till those to whom the word has gotten to make up the church and there is no alternative line.

How then will they call on (add gather in the name of) Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher? How will they preach unless they are sent? Just as it is written, "HOW BEAUTIFUL ARE THE FEET OF THOSE WHO BRING GOOD NEWS OF GOOD THINGS!".

Its not my opinion, it's Gods word.

italo:
All these are your opinion, not God's.

And you're not that sensible that your opinion should matter at all.

Matthew 18:20 "For where two or three are gathered in My name, I am there in the midst.
God's Church is the people, nothing in the bible does it say its a building. Are you upset Italo?

dmandy:
You are welcome to continue ranting as long as you don't believe the bible. Christ built a church on earth and gates of hell (talkless of gate of brocab) shall not prevail against it.

The Church that bites dust is the same church that taught you God is a trinity to which you jumped.

It all depends how old the kid is, once they get to a certain age, tell them about Jesus, show them Jesus in you. faith without works is dead.

dmandy:
I put Jesus first that's why I have his image around me and within me.

St. Brocab, how do u explain Jesus to a kid?

No-ones talking about error, it is you who believe its God's Church.
Another Church bites the dust. Everyone who have repented, had come out from the Catholic Church all say the same thing.
Someday you will realise the truth, But at least, I have a good word to give you-you do stick by your Church, even thru you don't believe in Christ fully.

italo:
It's God's Church. It cannot teach error. That's why you can't find error in it when you use your brain.

You can only find error with your misrepresentation of it.

You have no understanding in any of the scriptures-Christians wasn't a name used back then-but disciples were.
Quote> The bible is so contextual and straight forward, it requires high level of thinking to understand it.
What a lot of rubbish-God had written the bible simple, for all walks of life to understand, we have Children bibles, we have teenage bibles, and we have adult bibles, Jesus made away for all man kind to read the word of God.
Quote>We have read this bible and understand it, you can not come and scatter things, God is not an author of confusion.
Luke 1:41 "When Elisabeth heard Mary's greetings the baby leaped in her womb, and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. Well you are wrong about the Holy Spirit not being around before Jesus was crucified. Jesus had the Spirit of God living inside of Him.
Matthew 16:13-17 "Jesus asked His disciples who do you think I am, some say, John the Baptise, others said, Elijah, and others said Jeremiah or one of the prophets. He said to them, who do you say, that I am? Simon Peter then said, "You are the Christ the Son of the living God. Jesus answered and said to him, "Bless are you Simon bar-Jonah, For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in Heaven.
The Holy Spirit is the massager
The Holy Spirit was working back then, as He works in us today.
One day each year the high priest would draw aside the veil and enter the Holy of Holies, to make atonement for the nation of Israel.
Aaron being high priest that year would meet the Spirit of God inside the temple behind the veil, for peoples sins and repentance.
So yes the Spirit was working within the disciples, when Jesus was around.
You heard it, from the word, Jesus said, it was His Father that revealed it to Peter, God is Spirit.

paxonel:
hmmm!
all i see is, you are scattering everything here and there. because you don't want to use your brain to think and read this Bible and understand it
The Bible is not scattered the way u are scattering it.
Just know that Bible is written according to time as there is time for everything.
for instance, Genesis was written first because it was the beginning time, it goes down to 1samuel to 2kings because it was the time David lived, it then goes to new testament where we have Matthew, luke and John because it was time Jesus lived before he was crucified, at this time,(also known as days of John the Baptist ) Jesus met Nicodemus and told him except you are born again you cannot see Christianity, you cannot see holy spirit , because there was no Christianity at that time.
Christianity only exist after the resurrection,
holy spirit or comforter came after resurrection, without resurrection no salvation, no Christianity, no holy spirit.
after that time of Matthew,mark, luke and John where Jesus met Nicodemus , we have the time of book of act of the apostles where Christianity was fully established on earth at the day of pentecost, That was the first time the holy spirit came upon men, not the time of Nicodemus and born again .
So, this one you are saying born again are spirit filled Christians it is not correct.
Rather, the disciples who received the comforter at pentecost in the time of the book of act where the spirit filled christians, not the disciples who followed Jesus (including nicodemus) as at the time he was about to be crucified.
The 12 disciples who followed Jesus before he was crucified, non of them had the holy spirit at that time, they were yet to be christians, they were still in transition from Judaism to Christianity.
So, born again means to follow Christ (to be a disciple of Jesus, following him to Jerusalem where the kingdom of God was to be revealed at his resurrection )
that is why he told Nicodemus, except a man is born again (except a man leave all his belongings and follow me as my disciple to Jerusalem, he cannot see the kingdom of God at Jerusalem (if u are not there u can't see ), he cannot see Christianity which was to come at Jerusalem )
Therefore Christianity is the kingdom of God.
He told them, strive to enter the gate (meaning, hold your believe in me until I'm crucified, then u will see the kingdom )
Peter says we have left all and follow thee( towards Jerusalem ).
he told him, your reward is eternal life (the kingdom at Jerusalem )
So, mr man
we have read this bible and understand it.
You cannot come and scatter things.
God is not an author of confusion,
The Bible is so contextual and straight forward, it require high level of thinking to understand it

No we don't want to remove Mary's name from the bible-we want you to accept Jesus-we want you pray to Him, worship Him, love Him, get rid of your statues, ask Jesus to come into your hearts, worship Him as you do with His Mother.
Put Jesus first-live for Jesus, die for Jesus, and live.
Jesus said:One must be born again. Making the right choice, not as a infant, Infants don't make choices.

dmandy:
If it is possible for u people to remove the name 'Mary' from the bible una for don do am since.

I am also a Saint, my name is saint Brocab-I have joined the rest of the disciples of saints-who believe.
We are together with one accord worshipping the only true God' Jesus Christ.
I am a believer, like in the day's of old, but I don't see you praising me.
Just think if the Catholic's removed every statue from each Church-and start worshipping Jesus-instead of your faultless religion, that isn't scriptural, I assure you the arguments will stop.

Ubenedictus:
THe accusations continues. even after telling u
we dont worship her u'll still accuse us of
worshipping her. u guys tire me.
on another note where did u get d info that
catholic dont honor St Elizabeth?

You say its faultless-to whom is it faultless?
Your faultless isn't the truth.

italo:
What you wrote is your belief, not Catholic belief.

You can't argue against our belief (because it is faultless)...so you falsify beliefs for us and argue against your own lies.

God did drop from heaven, he spoke to Abraham, David, Elijah, and many others who obeyed Him, didn't He.
As a jealous God as He is, He wanted more, sending His Son Jesus into the world, through Mary, so all man kind will believe, God is real.
Everything Jesus did was through God.
The woman said in the crowd-bless is the Mother who gave you birth and nursed you, Jesus said bless are those who listens to the word of God, and does it.
Meaning we have the same blessing! Mary had, when she believed.
Revelation 19:10" At this I fell at his feet to worship him, buy he said to me don't do that, I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers and sisters, who hold to the testimony of Jesus. "WORSHIP GOD" For its the Spirit of prophesy who bear testimony to Jesus.
So this means-don't worship anything, any person other then God Himself.

dmandy:
The joke is on u.

Only Jesus is our mediator between Himself and God, and brocab is the mediator between Man and God.

Why didn't you ask why God did not just drop from heaven instead of through Mary?

How far you didn't answer my question from post below


Nobody is asking you to here as much I as know. I am only saying that you should stop having nightmares when you hear the word Catholic

This is not my problem I do.

Why are u angry?

You can do well to post where dmandy twisted your words so that people will see.

exactly.

Flesh and Blood has not revealed this statement @Bold to you.

Truth does not kill. It saves. If your truth is killing then you have to check it again.

I will apologize for any lie I told anyone, just prove it's a lie.

This is not a lie.
This question was addressed to you. When you said you don't make images of yourself. But instead of answering simply yes or no. Here are you are accusing me of lying. Let me help you Jesus doesn't hate the image of your wife, so you shouldn't.
But she is kissing an image, isn't she? This follows from your telling me that kissing a statue is a sin. A sincere person would have answered yes or No.



Now, brocab is saying that what makes images a sin is how long one looks at them. Sorry.

I understand what the 10 commandments are saying and I am saying that I am not breaking anyone of them by having images. If having my image is not a sin, definitely having Mary's won't be. But you close your eyes to that because you want to accuse. I never twisted any of God's word. Bring it on.

Hahahahahahahaha. That means God did not make his image out of Gold but Clay. Brocab said But the Bible said

Now, who is lying?


Bring it on.

This is no lie. I asked Your sincere answer
Obviously, you inferred that making images of yourself is idolatry. Lie 1 debunked. Bring on the next.

The reason you don't worship yourself is because you don't bow down praising yourself? what if you stand up praising yourself? Why Mary's own is different is because she is made of clay? And you brocab you are made of wood?

God bless for this.

There is nothing like other churches, The church of Christ is ONE.

Flesh and blood has not revealed this to you. Enjoy yourself.

Which breast? Calm down bro, high blood pressure is real o.

Mary is a human being-flesh and blood-she isn't a God, nor is she God's Son-nor the Holy Spirit.
You worship her as she is your savour, she isn't, She is blessed like everyone else who believe are blessed-of course she was the Mother of Jesus-matter of fact on this forum-I haven't heard you, nor the others praising God the Father of Jesus, as much as you have given it all' to Mary.
Not even Jesus receives Her glory" you have given to her.
How can you say you know Christ, when really you don't even acknowledge Him?
You are bowing down to flesh and blood, a sinner, like us.
Yes Mary was a woman of great courage-she paid the price, keeping her faith towards God.
Elisabeth also showed great courage towards God, and she was rewarded {Blessed} who gave birth to John the baptise, he called people to repentance, and to a covenant relation with God.
Both women were blessed. Yet you don't worship Elisabeth-she is also flesh and blood.
Revelation 19:10 "At this I fell at his feet and I worshipped him, but he said to me, don't do that, I am a fellow servant with you, and with your brothers and sisters, to hold to the testimony of Jesus. "WORSHIP GOD" For it is the Spirit of prophesy who bears the testimony of JESUS.

italo:
Luke1:48 Because he hath regarded the humility of his handmaid; for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
Special woman that the Holy Spirit caused Elizabeth to feel unworthy of her visit. Luke1:43.

That's why you want us to remove Luke1 from the bible.

Only if you want too.

italo:
"Hail" to who?

Brocab?

"So" still No hail Mary. She was only blessed because she believed-Like we are blessed because we believed.
If you had given all your time over to Jesus, instead of His Mother, you too will receive His Blessings.
Mary can-not save you, she can-not take you to heaven, she can not pray for you, only Jesus is our mediator between Himself and God.

italo:
Luke1:41 When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the child leaped in her womb. And Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit 42 and exclaimed with a loud cry, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb. 43 And why has this happened to me, that the mother of my Lord comes to me? 44 For as soon as I heard the sound of your greeting, the child in my womb leaped for joy. 45 And blessed is she who believed that there would be[e] a fulfillment of what was spoken to her by the Lord.”

So Luke1:41-45 is not the word of God?

Am I really going to answer this, it seems you believe born again's were only for the Jews from the past.
Christianity is another word for Christ like.
John 3:6-8 "That which is born of the flesh is flesh {Physical is merely physical} and that is born of the Spirit is Spirit, Do not be surprised that I have told you, you must be born again {Reborn from above} Spirituality transformed, renewed sanctified, the wind blows where it wishes and you hear it's sound, but you do not know where it is coming from and where it is going, so it is, with everyone which is born of the Spirit.
{The Spirit roams where God tells Him to roam}
Meaning, a born again are Spirit filled Christians today. No-one knows where the Holy Spirit travels to and fro. But He's still travelling, and still to this day, millions have turned from their evil ways, coming in at a faster rate, turning their own lives over to the lord.
Matthew 28:19 "Therefore go and make disciples OF ALL NATIONS baptising them in the name of the Father, and the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Which of course means-we now have the Spirit of God living in us all, those have chosen to follow after Christ of course. Born again means, having the Spirit of God residing in you-Jesus told His disciples He will send them another comforter.
The day of Pentecost the Spirit of the Lord-had filled the room-which coursed them to speak in other tongues.

paxonel:
thanks man.
the world is in chaos, i believe it is so because we christians allow it to be so.
if we give ourselves to study the Bible as though we are studying a school curriculum, bringing out one fact or element each chapter of the Bible truly present or what it is trying to teach, we will not run into unnecessary criticism and persecution by observers, then the glory of God will be fully presented to the world.
If you truly want to know what Jesus meant by born again to Nicodemus understand the meaning of this parable
John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.(meaning, understand now what i mean by born again )
john 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.(so is everyone that is born again )
this John 3:8 is a parable, if you understand it, then you have know exactly what born again means.
The wind there represent a set of people only in that period Jesus was about to be crucified, after the crucifixion and resurrection they seize to exist.
The bible writer who recorded this chapter 3, recorded it according to how it was applied in that generation of the Jews Jesus was about to be crucified.
But today, when we read it in our present generation we will start claiming it that it is extended to christianity even when we have not yet understand the parable, thinking we are exercising faith .
meanwhile, there was nothing like Christianity at that time Jesus met Nicodemus

You keep on calling us Mary haters, you know this isn't true, we are correcting you with the word of God, and it's you-who's protesting against it.

italo:
Mary heard the Word of God and kept it...with distinction.

But Mary-haters don't like that.

Luke 1:28 "The angel went to her and said, Greetings, you are highly favoured! The lord is with you.
So you can see-No Hail Mary. The KJV only says hail-still No-Mary

italo:
So what does Luke1:28 say in your Protestant "bible?"

Hail Brocab?

Well done" good and faithful servant-you believe.

PrinceVictorE:
Figure my point out using your brain for what it's meant for.

Firstly it doesn't say Hail Mary-maybe its written in your Catholic bible.

italo:
The word of God says "Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with you, blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb."

I will listen to it.

Theirs nothing I can say will change your mind, but we either listen to the word of God, all we don't, its your choice.

italo:
Where did I change my mind?

I know you have a mental deficiency but I still stand by my words that the Catholic Church gave us the Bible and the Rosary and God confirmed to me that both were from him.

Darkness is everywhere-Europe is full of darkness, corruption in political government societies, uneducated is everywhere, not only in Africa.
I don't live in Africa-and I have never been to Africa-I have travelled in other countries around the world-as well as mine.
Believe it or not-the darkness has travelled throughout the world. I have just recently come back from the Philippines-a Christian country that live in poverty, but does it mean they are uneducated, or maybe-it means their political systems are stealing from their own. Like in Africa.
I do agree, born again Christians may sound they label themselves above all other Christians, but its only because the bible said one must be born again before you can enter into the kingdom of God.
I myself am a born again Christian-and everyday I am either looking, or I find myself writing on this forum spreading the word of God, Not my words' but His. I do understand you brother-in a lot of ways-about some of these born again Christians, and some of them sound a bit over the top at times, I myself had been abused by them too, and I found because I am not fellow-shipping in their Church' but another, I am a stranger to their culture. Brother it is only because of their lack of knowledge, everyone knows, Wisdom, comes from the word of God. Many of my fellow believers have turned their ways, away from God, preferring to listen to some pastor, preaching about the cash rather then collecting souls. Most of these Churches are now flowing into the business world.
1 John 2:15 " Do not love the world or anything in the world, if anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not them.
Many other organizations may not like the way we preach the bible, but the word does say one must be born again. You yourself have taken my written quotes offensive, born again's may sound-but I assure you its bible talk, not our own.
You judge-not looking at your own quotes, very unpleasant, and offensive. Discrimination isn't the words I would say-this forum is used for us all to learn from each other, and our bible skills have gained 100%.
We hear the abuse all the time, all of you lay your boots in always winching mocking our skills in the word of God.
Remember" Jesus said many are called but few are chosen-He also said walk on the narrow road-rather then to stay on the highways.
Matthew 7:13 "Enter through the narrow gate, for wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.
This behaviour is not always from the Born again's, but rather from other Churches who claim Christ, every denominational has faults and of course everyone is right, while the rest of the world is wrong. Jehovah witnesses, Mormons, Catholic's, Muslims, and many more churches who say they claim Christ, not only the born again's all of them believe they have the keys to our heavenly Father.
Do you also claim your Church has the keys?
But the truth is brother, all we can do, is walk our own walk with Christ, share the word, if we were to follow after everyone else-like sheep going in, for the slaughter, we too will loose our way.
Don't forget Jesus said he would rather see us, Hot or Cold-then to be lukewarm.

The truth is written-we either believe it, all we don't.
Nice chatting to ya.

paxonel:
ok
now i know you are not African
a sensible and educated african will not further defend the error associated with the doctrines (including that of born again ) introduced to Africa 2 centuries ago by European missionaries, after reading what i have just posted here .
through further investigation (using the Bible and other facts ) he will now know the damages these doctrines have caused Africans over the years in terms of social unity and brotherly love .
Because, how can you explain this? a fellow Christian downgrading another Christian by labelling him non born again simply because he is incapable of meeting up with certain moral standards set by the church , is this not cleavage and discrimination in religion?
That's why i say religion is mess, causing problems more than the problems they have solved.
This has been existing more than 2 centuries ago, and ignorantly, my people have been living with this problem without knowing that the practice is unscriptural.
my wish is, as many Africans that read my post they will have a rethink, and start threating their fellow brothers as one in Christ,correcting those that needs correction rather than segregating them.
You are not living in Africa, but those who do know what I'm talking about.
As for your conclusion that i hate africans, my answer to you is, Jesus never hated the scribe and Pharisees when he said woe unto them.
All I'm after is to get people do the right thing that's all.
if you want to practice Christianity or any religion, don't segregate or discriminate. As far as I'm concern, any Christian who keep calling himself born again will surely find himself discriminating other christians he thinks they are not. Trust me.
For instance, you will hear people saying i don't want to marry another, i want to marry a spirit filled born again man or woman who goes to church.
what kind of talk is that?
so, those who are not born again are not human being?
i don't know what you understand when i used the word darkness, but this is what i meant by darkness.
Uneducated society (more than 70% of the population not having access to quality university education ), leading to persistent election of corrupt leaders into political positions .
Does that describe the kind of society or country you are living?
i don't think so.
so, don't tell me darkness is everywhere

What rubbish-Am I really reading this. You have clearly stated you don't like the Africans {never mind about the bible} because I write on their forum, I never said once I belong to Africa. You put them down-like they are some sort of criminals, in my country people like you wouldn't last on the streets. Your discriminating nature, is over the top, and you claim to be a Christian?
Get out of here.
Quote You are in darkness-you really need education to understand bible, you Africans are so dumb.
1 John 2:9 "Anyone who claims to be in the light and hates his brother or sister is still in darkness.
You don't understand much do you-you think Africa is the only place in the world that has the darkness, it also shows you without knowledge haven't understood-how darkness travel's across our nations, Evil is everywhere, not just in Africa.

paxonel:
That Elijah event of carried away was not eternal life impactation at all. It was a shadow of things to come.
You are even quoting 2 kings 2:11 which is old testament, i thought you will give me a Scripture in new testament which is reality of things.
Don't you know that old testament prophets(Judaism prophets for that matter ) and the law was a shadow of things to come?
Hebrews 10:1 says For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
This implies that the sacrifices of old testament? was a shadow of the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross and Elijah was a shadow of John the Baptist.
The real Elijah was not the Elijah of old testament, the real Elijah that is to come was John the Baptist
Jesus says in
Matthew 11:14 And if ye will receive it, this(john the Baptist ) is Elias, which was for to come.
Now, the question is, did John the Baptist who was the real Elijah had eternal life?
the answer is no
Because, Jesus says the least person in the kingdom of God (in eternal life ) is greater than John the Baptist who missed the kingdom.
Now if John the Baptist who was the real Elijah lost eternal life, what makes you think Elijah of old testament who was the fake Elijah had eternal life by mere carried away by wind into the clouds?
You know what your problem is?
You African christians still think that eternal life is beyond the clouds, meanwhile Jesus says whoever believe in him here on earth should not perish but have eternal life John 3:16
You people are in darkness,you really need education to understand Bible, but schools in Africa are quack schools, that's the problem.
All pastors in Africa (esp the popular ones) are products of quack universities and schools, all of them. How can they understand bible?
The only good thing you people have derived from the bible is believing in Jesus for your eternal life. After that, you don't want to explore other good things from it
Have you ever travelled to Europe to see how white men have developed their world?
And you are telling me darkness is everywhere, you better travel o.
Atleast go and see, then come back.
Get this right now for your own good.
Eternal life was not impacted to anybody in the old testament, not even anybody in the days of John the Baptist until the time Jesus died and resurrected .
Adam and Eve lost eternal life in old testament, But Jesus brought it back to mankind in new testament after his resurrection, to be precise.
1 Corinthians 15:22 says, For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
Before Adam sinned were they in heaven?
no, they were on earth.
Now, what make you people, o African christians, think that when you resurrect you will go to heaven?
Are you not seeing white men remaining on this earth to replenish their world? (the original mandate God gave to Adam to replenish this world )
And you know what? the time Jesus met Nicodemus(before he died and resurrected ) falls within the days of John the Baptist where entering the kingdom of God ( entering eternal life ) suffereth violence and the violent taketh it by force.
i know you will never understand that statement, even after you have read it like 50 times in the Bible.
You africans are so dumb.
In summary, the term BORN AGAIN or to be born of water(the ministry of John the Baptist ) and of spirit ( the ministry of Jesus ) which was written in the book of prophecy as Nicodemus saw it, since he was a master in Israel, and only masters had access to the book of prophecy in those days, falls within this same period of the days of John the Baptist, and it has nothing to do with eternal life and salvation at crucifixion time
so, Catholics were very very correct.
I'm not a Catholic o
But i must say the truth the way it is .
The only problem about Catholics is, they stick to their old Roman empire tradition which are really not necessary.
Penecostals who were suppose to move ahead are the ones confusing themselves

And still the Church will keep on marching on towards hell.

Rich4god:
SMH.... Its 2000 years now and the glory of lucifer never rise for Vatican. I wonder how long it will take before it happens, even in the church's darkest history, it didnt happen... I could remember when St John Paul died, all these protestants were dishing out prophesies from left, right and center, claiming that Benedict will be the last pope before Peter the Roman will come and take over catholic church, now, its almost 3 years after Benedict resigned, we are still waiting for the Peter. Some were praying for the sexual abuse case to cripple the church, yet it keeps growing... Some still hoped that the issue of same sex marriage will split the church as it did to Anglican Church, yet the church keeps growing... Even the US with its high rate of Atheism gave and Pope a shocking welcome when he paid them a visit...

My brother, am sure that your children's children children children children will still make that bolded statement (thats if they didnt even convert to catholic) and their generation will pass whilst the church will still be marching on...

This is why I would find it hard to become a Catholic. I couldn't share your gospel to anyone-you claim you know Christ-but really you are wolves in sheep clothing, time after time you and italo have twisted words around that none of us quoter's have written, your church had taught you both well-how to catch a Christian. You would go as far as lowing yourselves down-to your level of understanding, only because the truth is killing you both.
A lot of what you have written below is your own lies, that you have chosen to share to the world..{You can't get wisdom out of a stone}
Quote>Jesus also added love your wife's and hate her picture? {Show me where Jesus said that?}
Quote>A athlete who kissed her golden medal out of admiration must be on highway to hell {you are really confused aren't you, She isn't bowing down worshipping it}
Again It shows you are confused-about watching TV or reading news papers, looking at an image for one or two days. You know very well what Jesus is preferring too, you have broken two of the 10 commandments, and now you are trying to justify yourselves-by twisting His word around.
Quote>With what did God make his image in Genesis? Gold? {How can God make an image out of Gold-when he is Spirit}
Lie 1" Here comes the twist.
Quote>But you said having a picture in the first place, is idolatry. you also said you don't have pictures of yourself as that will amount to idolatry.
I don't worship myself-nor do I bow down-praising myself, as you do, with Mary that's made from clay.
Watching TV, reading imagines, thinking of a love one-taken photo's, winning medals, owning a car, isn't Idol worship, spending time with your families, friends, all pets isn't idol worship.

All around the globe' we can find only One Church that stands above all other Churches, the Catholic Church, having the name that stands above on high, proudly sitting on her rock, having the name that no other name is above, proudly announcing the true idol worshipper's that no other Church can stand. True paganism had rocked the city's of the Roman empire-the Catholic Church, are the people who praise and worship clay images, statues built for every eye to see-that your paganism still exist within the Vatican, while the Pope allows to world to follow after the breast.

dmandy:
Exactly why discussing with u is waste of my precious time but I won't stop because a lot of people are reading who value the truth. You lie. But u make to represent him in your mind. Image is image whether in your head, on the screen, in the mirror, on paper or 3D. It is image. Any image starts from the head I hope you know? Praise God for that.
By their fruits not by their words.

Jesus also added love your wife and hate her picture. An athlete who kissed her golden medal out of admiration must be on high way to hell.
Of course I compared them both, but did not equate them. The image of a person is an extension of him/her. I have never set my eyes on my amiable president who happens to be +1 today, but I know him through his image on my tv screen and pages of newspapers. Understand that.
That's actually third. You don't say first, second and first again. calm down. With what did God make his image in Genesis? Gold?
But having Mary's is. Is she not someones family? idolizing ur pastor inside the church, bowing down and praying to him isn't.
except if the photo is that of Mary.
But u said having the picture in the first place is idolatry. You also said you don't have pictures of yourself as that would amount to idolatry.

Thank God. Glory to Jesus. okay, people find out what they like. Some believed that Jesus had evil spirit (Mark 3:30) And u know Lucifer is the angel of light. hmmmm.
hahahahaha!!! God should come of whereever HE is? And go and stay where you want HIM to be?

Receive your healing in Jesus' Name! Amen

The gates of hell shall not prevail against it. I AM IN CHRIST AND CHRIST IN GOD. U see, coming out is a long thing.

So what you are trying to say "Is" That some one is you, and everything you have written below-resides more on you.

dmandy:
People agree what makes them feel good.

1. some agree that Jesus was only an angel

2. some agree that there is no God

3. some agree that the bible is fiction

4. some agree that medications is sinful

5. to some taking pictures is idolatry

6. to others, kanu kissing golden cup in Atlanta is idolatry. etc


I have no right to argue what you agree or not... social ethics demands that I respect that.

What a lot of rubbish.

dmandy:
The question about Images and Rosary is one every Catholic has every reason to ask.

Some have been bold enough to ask. All who had bothered to ask, received different answers and acted upon it. However, the answers they got was dependent on who they asked. One of the most inspiring books I have ever read The Richest Man in Babylon teaches that if you want to know about brick-making, you don't go to a tailor, but to a brick-maker. St James tells us that for those who lack wisdom, there is only ONE right person to ask 'God'(Jams 1:5). You don't go to ask a fool about wisdom(Prov 23:9).

To those who asked brocab and friends about Images and rosary, the following answers were given
* Making any image (including pictures, house plans, symbols, any form of arts and crafts) is sin.
* Kissing your awards (cups, medals, pictures) in admiration is sin
* building a temple (church buildings and by extension houses) is a sin.
For those that asked olaadegbu and group, they were told that images on the tv screen (which they called devil's box) is sin as well talk less of physical one. * they say saying 'hail mary' and 'the lords prayer' is sinful.
I do not write for these ones who asked these men, they must have made their choice to leave the church. Right or wrong, only God can tell.

Some others asked italo and friends and were told that 'all the prayers of the rosary are contained in the holy bible', They were also told that Ex. 20 did not condemn images but on the contrary that God made his own image (Gen 1:26) and encouraged his people to make images (Numb 21, Ex 25, 1Kngs 9, Rev 1:11, habk 2:2 etc). However, God is against making images and worshipping it as God (Ex 32:4) since He did not show himself in any form when He spoke in the mist of fire (Deut 4:14/15). They were also told that God was letter going to show himself in form of a MAN Jesus Christ(Phil 2:.
I do not write for these ones who received these answers for they have known the truth and remained in their faith.

I however, write for those who are afraid to ask questions for fear of asking the wrong people, and for what people might say. To these ones I say don not live in ignorance, if you don't know 'ASK'. Be not afraid to ask questions concerning your faith, be like the Berean Jews (Acts 17:11).

- When they tell you that you will go to hell because you are a catholic, tell them that you won't go heaven or to hell because you are a catholic but based on your deeds.(rom 2:16)
- when they say you say 'hail Mary' tell them that God first said it through angel Gabriel.
- when they say Mary is a demon, tell them that if it pleased God to use her there is no need questioning her.
- When they say you have a demon because they can't find the word 'rosary' in the bible smile and say they even said John the Baptist had a demon because they couldn't find what he was saying in the scriptures.
-When ask whether God asked you to honor Mary, say Yes! The Holy Spirit says all ages including yours shall call her blessed.
-When they ask you how Mary is your mother, remind them that you are a beloved disciple. (John 19:26)
-Rejoice and be glad not just because you are a catholic but also because your name have been written in the book of life.

All the dirt they pour on you because of your faith will do you no harm (Its not what goes into a man that destroys him, but what comes out). Remember, not one of the many garbage thrown at General Buhari before the elections stopped him from being president Buhari today. (I know, I just had to find a way to chip that in). Let us not forget to pray for him and the country today as he celebrates his birthday.


Today also, another great man celebrates his birthday, Pope Francis I. Let us remember him in our prayers as we enter the last week of advent today in anticipation of the coming of Our Savior in Christmas!!!

God bless You, All.

At least we agree with that.

dmandy:
okay.

We wouldn't think otherwise if we knew they were preaching the truth about Christ. But their not, they are preaching the watchtower.

Efere701:
Have you guys ever thought for a second if the witnesses could be right, if they could be doing what true christians should be doing, if this world hates them because they're right ?

Because the JW's don't know.

alexis:
Since you know more about the Bible than I do, please tell us why Jesus would tell His disciples that he is not a spirit but He is flesh and blood. I asked you that question and you haven't answered