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Christianity Etc › Re: Tithing: Where Does The Money Go? by brocab: 10:09am On Sep 07, 2015

In the day's of tithing back then, was only a commandment given by God, who He had chosen a percentage of faithful farmers and herdsmen He Himself could trust-making a law with them, they continued to follow His commandments yearly, given at least 23% and more-through God's promises' God would reward each of them, by pouring out His blessings upon their lands. Filling them with milk and honey.
Back in those day's, not everyone tithed-only those God had chosen them to tithe.

Malachi 3:8-10 "Is not talking to everyone, the Levite priesthood were only blessed because none could purchase the land, in return for their blessings the Levites worked for God in the temple, God had given Aaron a gift-allowing the Levites to support Aaron who God had chosen.
God made allowances through the priesthood, to tithe 10% to Aaron, while 90% of the stocks herds,and merchandise was kept for the Levites. In part of Gods blessings were to help feed the hungry while they had plenty, and as they continual'ed to do so yearly God poured out His blessings.
And in those day's, people were staving at a higher rate, then we have today.

Tithing was put in place as a law for the Levites to obey, Malachi 3:8-10 "Was only a direct message to the Levites they were ripping off God, trading and selling God's blessings, He had supplied to His people, even back then God seen his own blessings used and abused.
In Hebrews 7:12 " As clearly as this scriptures tells us, the Lord seen the damages the Levites were doing, ripping off God's people-the Lord then tells us, God changed the priesthood, followed by the law on tithing.

So you believers who tithe, are tithing against the word of God, not only are you all ripping yourselves off, but you are ripping off God too.

KingEbukasBlog:
Again you are not seeing the spiritual significance .

Malachi 3:8-10

Its an order from God with its benefits .Its not to your pastors but to God . You have done your part and let it be.

"Meat" in the bible passage above could mean that the tithe is used for the well being of the pastors/church as a whole

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Christianity Etc › Re: Tithing: Where Does The Money Go? by brocab: 8:18am On Sep 07, 2015

All of it go's to the pastors pocket, while the hungry are hungrier.

LaRoyalHighness:
Part of it goes to the Pastor's pocket. Welcome to the odd world.

Politics › Re: Methodist church should help wesley university of science and technology by brocab: 11:48pm On Sep 06, 2015

And my Ferrari, is sitting to the left, parked next to my Harley, besides my RV.

ademusiwa5:
The Catholic Church in the country of the Kingdom of Western Nigeria. Answers my call with a beautiful university, in ilara.

Christianity Etc › Re: Tithing: Where Does The Money Go? by brocab: 9:52pm On Sep 06, 2015*

I have my rare moments, where I don't go to Church, matter of fact it frightens me to enter into a Church building-anger rises within me, knowing they all ask for the tithes and offerings without any shame.
My day's in Church were the day's, as I found with God's People, after hearing the tithing messages said: God's people have forgotten who God is.
God's people these days are more focus about the returns they believe they will receive from God, after cashing in on their tithes and offerings, believing the Pastors lies, that all monies given will come back 100 fold' some 60 and others 30 fold at a rate of a money back guarantee.
I had left the Church behind, only because I was finding it difficult, to find any persons having that same passion I have to talk about God.

Matthew 18:20 "For where two or three people have come together in My name, I am in the midst of them.
They are great words from the Lord-but does anybody understand Him-He said: when 2 or 3 come in His name.
Not in the name of Mammon.
Ezekiel 34:9-16 "Therefore O shepherds hear the word of the Lord, thus says the lord God, behold I am against the shepherds I will require the flock at their hand; I will cause them to cease feeding the sheep. And the shepherds shall feed themselves no-more, for I will deliver My flock from their mouths that they no-longer be food for them. Says the Lord I will find My sheep who are scattered and bring them back.

Freemanan:
[b]Isn’t this a question every churchgoer has either asked or wondered about at some point in their Christian Walk. Personally, the issue is a serious one that will determine whether I choose a church or let it go.

I’ve experienced churches that REQUIRE a disclosure of your Annual Tax Return to determine what you should, or should have, tithed throughout the year.

I’ve experienced churches (Pastors) that (who) will use the “Guilt Trip” technique to get your tithe. The church that goes to The Old Country Buffet after Service each week but has the Pastor use that outing as a measure against whether you’re doing the right thing by enjoying the “after church festivities” as opposed to tithing…challenging you to forgo the fun, and tithe your “Old Country Buffet” money….telling you that it’s God’s money not yours.

Or there’s the Church that will promise you 100X whatever you tithe…and even go as far as putting a specific date on it….most of the time from a person who has determined they have the “Gift Of Prophecy” and claim that “within 4 days (or on he 4th day), The Lord is going to Bless your finances!!!

Or the “Hostage Church”. The church that has been told by The Lord that everyone WILL Tithe “this week” and that the number #5,000 has been shown to them and that “We are not going anywhere today until we “fulfill The Lord’s Promise” this morning and have #5,000. Low and behold the church has 25 Members, 65% of whom are women, 34% of whom are children, and 1% of whom are men. Then by the end of the “Service”, after the “Tithe Box” has been counted in front of the entire 25 Member Congregation about 10 times, the church resorts to accepting I.O.U. notes from members which finally satisfies “The Promise” for the day sent by “The Lord”.
Many many churches differentiates ”Tithing” from “Giving”…where the “Tithe” is a “Command From The Lord”, while “Giving” is voluntary and consists of whatever you have left after tithing.

Then there are the honest churches led by Godly Men and Women who don’t operate via exploitation tactics and don’t press the issue. They teach you what The Word says and leave it between you and The Lord. Not all churches are guilty of inappropriate practices when it comes to tithing (and Giving)…but many are.

Many times, in most of these inappropriate scenarios, it would seem that the church wouldn’t care if you left empty handed with no money at the end of the service, even to the extent that you might not be able to pay your bills. But, “the church” will avoid being accused of not caring by always encouraging you that “The Lord Will Provide”.

At the end of the day…despite the manner in which each church (or your church) approaches urging people to Tithe… “Where Does The Money Go”?…(in your opinion) and what are your comments in general concerning the church and tithing?[/b]

Christianity Etc › Re: Tithing: Where Does The Money Go? by brocab: 8:47pm On Sep 06, 2015

If you don't understand about the word of God-then that's Ok, but in the other hand if you say you are a Christian, then read the bible, and if you are a believer in tithing, then I advise you, you need to stop tithing-and get back into the word of God, like never before-asking the Lord to forgive you-Tithing was never used as a money back guarantee, like it is today.
The truth will set you free.

Freemanan:
Can't learn from what I don't understand sir.

Christianity Etc › Re: Tithing: Where Does The Money Go? by brocab: 8:23pm On Sep 06, 2015

Read it and learn.

Freemanan:
You point is?

Christianity Etc › Re: Tithing: Where Does The Money Go? by brocab: 7:54pm On Sep 06, 2015*

The purpose in tithing was only to help feed the needy.
When we look back at Cain and Abel, as the story continual's-Cain had decided to turn his back on God, killing his own brother Abel though jealousy and greed.
God made a perfect plan, His plan was to support the Livites priesthood, with stocks, corps and merchandise, God had opened the doors to heaven and earth pouring out His blessings upon His people, using the Temple {Church} as a meeting place to help support those in need, yearly-all the farmers and herdsman, would give more then 23% of their first and second-fruits to God's people in order to obey God's commandments.
His plans have travelled down though the centuries, even to this day, we have more charities, feeding and clothing as God had plan it, like never before.
As we can see, God had a plan, bringing His people closer together having that same relationship God had with Abel, from the beginning, a jealous Father as He is, only wanted His own people to stay close to Him until the end.
Revelation 21:6 "I am the Alpha and the Omega the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
That is God's plan.

But something happen, Cain has re-surfaced out of the blue once again, showing himself as the man he once were-a man full of jealousy and greed. Cain came with many followers who have travelled with him though the centuries, destroying everything in their paths against God's people-using the word of God to change God's plans. From the house of love we once had-to a house full of dead man's greed.
Anybody' Pastors, priest, or Pope's, that preachers a sermon, on either Tithes and offerings, or other resources to Gain finances-and expected to be paid, are working against God's plan-in order to rip off the innocent, twisting the word of God.

Matthew 19:24 "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, then for a rich person to enter into the Kingdom of God.
Ezekiel 33:13 "If I tell a righteous person they will surely live, and they trust in their righteousness and do evil, none of the righteous that person have done will be remembered, they will die for the evil they have done.

Anybody, who helps supports Cain and his followers, will surely die away from God.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Atheist Are Always Found On Religion Section by brocab: 9:19am On Sep 05, 2015*

The reason we find atheist, on the religious forums is because atheist follow other atheist, and we were once atheist before, and like the atheist we were searching for something better then the miserable lives we once had. Confused as we were, without wisdom we were trapped between two world's-we either believed or we didn't.
Atheist can only argue over disagreeable knowledge, without reading and searching for any wisdom, at least trying and understand any of the scriptures-their disagreeable knowledge, is like talking to a Child' that's recently born..
Don't knock what you don't understand-learn first and place your argument before us Christians and make your argument worth while arguing for.
Everyone knows, studying, helps you learn.

Christianity Etc › Re: Bible Secrets About Pentecostal Churches by brocab: 11:51pm On Sep 04, 2015*

THE SECRETS ABOUT PENTECOSTAL'S, HOW THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ARE STILL REFUSING TO ACKNOWLEDGE.
Acts 1:8 " Pentecost singles out the beginning of the Church age.
When pentecostal's, started, the true Church began?
It shows many believers have their wires crossed when addressing true pentecostal's. Jesus said by their fruits you will know them-True believers walk with Christ, this is our way in knowing who is truly a born again Christian.

Anybody who claims they are pentecostal and don't follow after Christ, are wolves in sheep clothing.
Matthew 7:22 " Lord Lord did we not prophesy in your name cast out demons in your name-Jesus said: get away from Me, I don't know you.

Prosperity preachers who twist and turn bible scriptures to gain finances-are wolves in sheep clothing. In any Church who preach about money, more than God, does not belong to God. Jesus said: By their fruits you will know them?
Matthew 6:24 "No-one can serve two masters you will either love one and hate the other.

{TRUE BELIEVERS ARE RICH IN WORD AND IN TRUTH}
Matthew 4:9 "Satan said: to Jesus' all this I will give you, if you will bow down and worship me, Jesus said: you shall worship your God and Him only you shall serve.
How many Churches, have followed after Christ?

{ONE MUST BE BORN AGAIN}
John 3:3 "Truly truly I say to you, I say one must be born again before he can enter into the kingdom of heaven.
The root of all true believers are those who Jesus said: one must be born again.

{PRAYING ALOUD}
Act's 1:13-15 " They all prayed in one accord.

John 14:16 " I will pray the Father and He shall give you another comforter.
As you can see we don't need Idol's to remind us who Jesus is. His Spirit lives in those who are born again believers, its the Spirit that keeps us tuned into God, as we read though the bible, its the Spirit who directs our needs-its the Spirit who gives us wisdom and knowledge, Jesus talks to us in our dreams, our vision's, its the Spirit who comforts us, teaches us, and anoints us everyday as long as we have turned to Him. When we pray we pray directly to Him, when we ask for our forgiveness and repentance, we ask directly to Him.
John 15:26 "But when the helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, He will bear witness about Me.

Yet the Catholic's have a different Idea about who your helper is-without following the truth about Christ, you have chosen to worship the Mother of God' Using Mary as your mediator, you use Mary to glide your ways. Using the rosary's as your prayer glide, in confession you ask the priest to forgive your sins.
Luke 7:48 "Who can forgive sins but God alone.
1 Timothy 2:5 " for their is one God and one mediator-Jesus Christ.

{HOLY HOLIDAY'S}
You say the pentecostal's don't use your Holy Holiday's, does Christmas, Easter ring a bell-was it not the Catholic Church who had taken the Sabbath day away from Christ, making the day of worship Sunday.

{HOMOSEXUALITY} This started back though the centuries involving the Catholic Church, and as we read it's the world that has convicted and judged these horrible crimes against the Church.
Is not the Pope accountable for these crimes that his own priest have Denied Christ, Because they are refusing to marry. {Homosexuality} against Children is a crime against Christ.
1 Corinthians 7:9 "It is better to marry then to burn with passion.

So this argument can continual, but the truth of the matter is are you a born again Christian are you following the commandments of Christ?

Christianity Etc › Re: Time Is Running Out by brocab: 1:50am On Sep 03, 2015*

Its funny you should say that, the Lord has already put His hands in the mud-He already knows about His Children, not obeying Him-and He knows those who have, using us to reach out, as you can see by just flicking though the pages..
This forum is used as another loop hole that the Lord had directed us all' to share the truth about Him. Amen.

oldtimepreacher:
read the scriptures of the bible and see what it has to say about the endtimes. you are all aware of what is going on around. reach out to people who don't yet know the truth and discuss it with them. God is a God of mercy but one must take advantage off His loving grace He has given to us don't say you haven't been warned.

Christianity Etc › Re: Small signs to show The End Is Coming by brocab: 1:09am On Aug 31, 2015*

Well then' for just their imaginations, with just a few men-together they wrote a book' so powerful that not even science can break though it, a book that is shared across our nations-that who ever want's to know the secrets of this book will find it. This book stands above all other books. IT'S CALLED THE BIBLE.
This book had travelled though the centuries into the deepest darkest places on this earth, and still it shines it's light above all other written books ever made.
I myself was a dis-believer-until one day, somehow I felt someone-something calling me to believe. It took sometime for myself to adjust, what I was feeling-I was searching for something "answers, {like you} nothing made sense-I couldn't work out anything, my mind didn't function' towards God-let alone listening or trusting Christians. Every time I had seen a Christian, I would walk the other way..
I didn't understand any of the above-God, "Who's God? I'm running, and God's chasing, pinning me down on every corner, though my television, my Radio, everywhere, for some reason I was faced by Christians' coming in from all directions, speaking to me about Him.
I had no-idea, about God. The last time I remember I was even in a Church. "I was a Child.
Until that day came' I started working with a Christian, and this guy' I believe had it in for me, and he kept on harassing me about God, I had hidden myself away every time I had seen him coming, I was so sick of the harassment, deep down I just wanted to hurt him, but of course that didn't happen, I tried to think of other ways to get rid of him, so in my mental state I gave up, and I ended up given in, next he offered me to go to a Church, then as smart as it seemed-I said to myself-Ha-if I go to Church with him, he will leave me alone.

I am a man of my word, and as we drove to the Church, fear was pouring out of me-It took me at least 4 go's to walk up those Church steps, I felt something pulling me back-my mental state stop me walking into that building-I was so feared-and more afraid someone will recognize me, wondering what the hell I was standing outside a Church for.
I was an Anti Christ and I didn't want to be seen, but I knew I had given my word-so I gave it all I had and I ran into the building. "Man these Christians are nuts, I found my Christian friend, and I stood with Him, listening to them all singing to a God, that didn't exist-soon after they kept on repeating Jesus is here. Where? I looked around every where, and I didn't see No-Jesus-my mind, my thoughts about these people wasn't good.
I wanted to run-but my word kept me bound, while everyone sat down, the preacher preached-I without any understanding what the message was, after the sermon, the preacher called out the salvation prayer, I looked at the Christian, while he nodded his head-I ended up repeating the prayer after the preacher.

This was only the beginning, and believe me, I had no-idea what just had happened. But all I can say that Christian moved on, leaving me alone, followed by the other Christians I felt harass by, on every corner.

I wanted to believe-but I didn't know how, and I started to run again. It took some years before the Lord took hold of me again.
Now I understand, that the bible isn't just a book written by men, but a book that's so spiritual, man himself couldn't possibly write it without the Spirit of God.
Spirituality God uses the believers to reach out' who He chooses. You can run but and you can't hide.

hahn:
@bolded, actually with my statement I have only shown that I have an interest in discovering for myself the truth behind what was written by men from their vivid imaginations but which they claim to be from "god" to make more believable

Christianity Etc › Re: Small signs to show The End Is Coming by brocab: 9:50am On Aug 30, 2015

For someone who say's they don't channel their thoughts towards the word of God, by this statement you surely have shown interest in who wrote the word written by men.
Most atheist wouldn't argue, about something they have nothing in-common with.

hahn:
I'm not a christian dear so I don't channel my thoughts towards the "word of god" written by men

Christianity Etc › Re: Small signs to show The End Is Coming by brocab: 12:07am On Aug 30, 2015*

The rising of the beast.. Many of us who believe may not agree, what I have to say, only because most of you don't believe. I am not against the word of God, and if you believe in the truth, then you are not alone-I believe together we must become a praying nation, our prayers can change the course of the beast about to rise and he is heading our way.

The world as we know it, is changing at a faster rate, and I call for the Christians to pray in Jesus name, against the principalities of darkness. I ask" have we become so conditioned that we have forgotten who we worship and where we stand-as part of each nation have we now become blinded by darkness that we ourselves cannot see what's coming?

Christian's rise up, are we "not" believers in the truth, do we "not" stand strong for the Lord-are we true believers and wear the armour of God, are we warrior's for Christ-are we not in the greatest army that's never been beating, not even the principalities, the powers of the darkness of this world, can penetrate through the love of Jesus.
Does anyone realize the majority on what is coming, the end times are like the day's of Noah, and these times of darkness is the Elite that answers only to Lucifer.
No-one knows the day or the hour when Jesus will return, but you already know the signs of the times-the beast will rise at full force-coming in' like the shinning light of Christ, an alien invasion will have a big biological entitlement {Demons} will be used as the dark side in the end times to come. The Demonic's of falling angels the lower ranks, as aliens trap into those biological forms.

Had anyone heard of that movie called the "GATEWAY" this movie was about how one could enter into a space de-mention either way to and fro this world and another?
By studying the net, I have found an interesting machine that's 17 miles round, built underground in Switzerland, science believe, this is a start to find any truth, other then the creation of God. Another gateway called the "CERN" that many viewers believe this gateway will open up the Abyss{Demonic} beings from another de-mention, as they believe will some how, rule this world we stand for.
The Vatican will soon announce an alien invasion, This is no secret, this is no joke-a plan made for the devil himself coming into existence, to rule the world as planned taking with him 95% of the world's population to hell. Who will follow after the beast..

If you don't understand it, look beyond your boundaries, look deeper, the nets are flooded with news, Christians, non Christians are running to and fro-speaking out, at a faster rate.
Wake up and pray.

The entertainment industry have changed from what we believed was simple, now beyond our power the Churches have allowed demonic Satanic music, movie's using sexual scenes, changing the course of nature, allowing bad language, so our Children will learn, from what was a simple please, to a 'I want. Monies more important.
As the Church sits, {And does nothing} As we are Falling into the pits, not teaching the word of God? Not having Christ as our savour who leads us into the glory of God. We are doomed living in a worldly industry with dead entertainers who have chosen to sell their own souls over to the Devil-for a price paid in full.
Matthew 4:9 "The Devil said to Him I will give you all this if you bow down and worship me.
Jesus said get away from Me Satan, you shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve.

Hell is standing at your doors. {And what does the Church do? "Nothing"}
Our Children, how innocent they once were, have turned away from God, by false teachings the Churches have turned away from Christ corrupted-leading God's people away from the truth, teaching fiction not facts about the word of God. With Lying wonders, ripping of God. A Church that's destitute, and hungry for Money, more then the truth.
Encouraging the youth, the stage now shows demonic signs, music blaring-dancing for Satan, signed in full over to the Government system's, allowing the Governments to organise each Church by taking full control, financing monies to preach the word-rather then preach the truth of Christ. Paid in full without the Holy Spirit, but in the flesh the preachers and the sitters follow after those, who follows after the beast..

Schools are no longer allowed to preach the truth about Christ, street preachers are now arrested charged with disturbing the peace. In other countries preachers are prolonged in solitary, away from other prisoners-sentence without charge.
ARE WE LISTENING TO THIS? DOES ANYONE CARE? CHURCHES ARE ALLOWED TO PREACH, BUT STREET PREACHES ARE PROLONGED INTO A PRISON SYSTEM?
Jesus had warned us those you preach the truth will be persecuted.

Iraq" Christians in the millions are murdered everyday, China, India, and Africa-and soon the world.
Does anyone care? Is anybody watching.
Governments around the globe, refusing the word of God to be given to anyone involved within the walls of the Veterans, or in any Hospitals.
Our nations are planning to shut down Christmas & Easter, anybody who celibates them will be arrested under Marshal law, prolonged into a prison without charge.
America can't rise their flags in Honour without a fight. The flag can offend those who don't belong. Soon we will face up to the New World Order that has already began.
Who do we trust? Is their anybody out there? God help us, feel our hearts with your wisdom and knowledge, protect us all who have chosen to believe.
Credit cards, Televisions, Phone's, computers, and other sources cameras on every street corner.
Fema Camps are built around our nations, guillotine's are set up ready for the slaughter to begin.
Housing are built in neighbouring cities, Governments are flooding, or burning and poisoning lands-etc-closing down country towns-so one will fall under the sway of Satan's plans to destroy and murder 95% of the worlds population-leaving 500.000 to survive for what?

Does anybody understand, does anybody care?
Everyday the day's are darkened, and CERN is spinning, as the evil continual's to take you away from the truth. while Satan is in control the world's praying without knowledge, without the truth of Christ-you yourselves are all encouraging the beast to rise.

Christianity Etc › Re: Are We Saved By Faith Or By Water Baptism? by brocab: 1:22am On Aug 28, 2015

Its good to see you have come back-and you are given it another go, the lord loves a cheerful giver.

Ubenedictus:
hahahahahaha!

You are required to preach baptism but you wouldn't preach it because you are scared o water right?
Weldone.

Christianity Etc › Re: Top Ten Astonishing Miracles (warning, Some Graphihc Pics) by brocab: 11:24pm On Aug 27, 2015*

Quote>not everyone who believes will go to heaven too.
With all the different Churches who are from different denominational, say they know the Lord, Jesus stated clearly we will know them by their fruits, the last day's have arrived as strangely as this must sound-slowly but surely the Lord had been separating the tares from the wheat-in these last days at a faster rate the Holy Spirit has taken us to a higher level-no-longer do we stand amongst them' but above looking down into the crowd of these different denominational's-that the pouring of the Holy Spirit-has given His anointed, dreams and visions, prophesying, and those who are seeking after the Lord are seeing into the future, clearly these hidden truths are to be revealed just before our eye's near the end.
Wake up.
The word of God has poured across the net, men and women of God are spreading God's word, across our nations at a faster rate, so all the world can see and hear, the Lord is coming back as He had promised the second time.
Matthew 7:22-23 "Many will come in His name saying Lord Lord did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons in your name and done many signs and wonders, the Lord then said: depart from Me you who practice lawlessness.
Psalm 6:8 "Away from Me all you who do evil.
Psalm 119:115 "Away from Me you evil doers, that I may keep the commandments of God.
Matthew 25:41 "And then He will say to the ones on His left, depart from Me, you who are cursed into the eternal fire, prepare for the devil and his angels.
People who believe other then the truth will see death. One Lord-One God-and One Spirit.

trapQ:
you still dont understand. I used "they" meaning that those who do not believed in JESUS "according to the scriptures" will end IP in hell. and mind you, not everyone who believes will go to heaven too. you have to believe and be Christ like.

Christianity Etc › Re: Top Ten Astonishing Miracles (warning, Some Graphihc Pics) by brocab: 9:44am On Aug 25, 2015

trapQ:
you still dont understand. I used "they" meaning that those who do not believed in JESUS "according to the scriptures" will end IP in hell. and mind you, not everyone who believes will go to heaven too. you have to believe and be Christ like.

Christianity Etc › Re: Top Ten Astonishing Miracles (warning, Some Graphihc Pics) by brocab: 7:32am On Aug 25, 2015

It shows 5minsmadness, you say you truly believe in Christ, but everything you have laid across, you still believe in that same old religious rubbish that you yourself haven't any clue in what is truth and what is not.
To be honest bro-does Jesus know you.

5minsmadness:
Jesus, what are you refuting again? Witnesses were there. Some were videoed. Doctors and scientists studied and endorsed it. What more proof could u possibly want?

Christianity Etc › Re: Top Ten Astonishing Miracles (warning, Some Graphihc Pics) by brocab: 12:14am On Aug 25, 2015

I understand-but who were you preferring your Quote too-5minmaddness or the other 5minmaddness was writing too?

trapQ:
you still dont understand. I used "they" meaning that those who do not believed in JESUS "according to the scriptures" will end IP in hell. and mind you, not everyone who believes will go to heaven too. you have to believe and be Christ like.

Christianity Etc › Re: Top Ten Astonishing Miracles (warning, Some Graphihc Pics) by brocab: 12:07am On Aug 25, 2015

Lets continual about the religious story about the 3 Children, whom supposedly seen Mary in the Light, reading more into this story, I have come across more on the description's where most of the on-lookers had claimed what they saw.
And it went like this. While looking into the light they saw a shape like a silver disk, that showed coloured lights spinning around like a wheel. This alone sounds more like a UFO.
When I think about this ordeal, the early day religious paintings, shows UFO's behind either Mary, or Jesus up on the Cross. As it's written' as far as 500 years ago UFO's were painted in religious painting's authorised by the Roman Catholic Church.
So with this information did the Children really see the Virgin Mary-as they claim? Or was it a hoax by the Roman Catholic Church, so people would believe the lie-rather then believe in the truth in Christ.
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Christianity Etc › Re: Top Ten Astonishing Miracles (warning, Some Graphihc Pics) by brocab: 11:18pm On Aug 24, 2015

Then by your Quote>whom are you preferring too?

trapQ:
why bother yourself?? a Thomas will always be a Thomas. the only time they'll believe is when they are in hell but of course it would be too late.

Christianity Etc › Re: Top Ten Astonishing Miracles (warning, Some Graphihc Pics) by brocab: 8:01am On Aug 24, 2015

And who gives you the rights to judge-who will be in Hell. Maybe you should study the word yourself, and then come back and judge by their fruits.

trapQ:
why bother yourself?? a Thomas will always be a Thomas. the only time they'll believe is when they are in hell but of course it would be too late.

Christianity Etc › Re: Top Ten Astonishing Miracles (warning, Some Graphihc Pics) by brocab: 1:33am On Aug 23, 2015*

Only God rises people from the dead.
But it seems the Roman Catholic Church have their own idea's when raising the dead bodies from the grave, who's corrupted and who's not corrupted. How can they tell. As Jesus said: let the dead bury the dead.

Below it shows the story of the 3 Children who had claimed they had seen the Virgin Mary, while others who were standing behind them, could only witness they had seen the Sun.
But as the story continual's, the on-lookers were waiting for a sign from heaven while supporting the Children every 13th day of the month.
The theory is the Children had seen Mary, coming in as a bright light-hardly seeing her' the children claimed Mary had given them 3 secrets, and it was the year of 2000 the last of the secrets was supposedly revealed to the Pope in that year.
As we read the story-not all three Children had seen the Virgin Mary in the light-and not all three Children had heard Mary speak, one Child spoke the other stood and watched, while the other was puzzled-over this hole ordeal.
It seems a story like this had brought the town people together, causing the people to believe, I always say if one can speak a good yarn, and someone believes-from one story to another' how far can that yarn go.
What a amazing story that brought the neighbouring towns together, and still to this day people from all over the world have made their way to this place of worship.
Placing millions of hard earned cash-over to the authorities, who have kept this legion going..

The Children claimed to everybody the Virgin Mary said: the Children will see heaven, the question I would like to ask who was it who told the young boy to recite the rosaries. His cousins? And why the rosaries-we can see this story belongs to the Catholic's. And no-other.
When reading this story the young boy couldn't see Mary or hear Mary's voise. So I ask-who told him?
So the theory that these three Children witnessed that they all saw Mary isn't true.
Can anyone explain to me, why then did they call this theory the Miracle of the Sun. and not the Miracle of Mary.

The story go's on to say-the Children received their encounters with Mary who supposedly had shown them three secrets, and these secrets weren't told directly at the time, the last secret was told in the year of 2000-after everything had past.
With only the Children who had claimed they saw Mary-none other could see past the Sun which was shining on each 13th day of the month.
So this theory proves these people in this story was waiting for that sign from heaven, not the virgin Mary.
John 4:48 "Unless you people see signs and wonders, Jesus told him you will never believe.

I believe in miracles, but this story is far fetch. People other then the Children had described their experiences in many different ways, When I think about it-looking into the Sun on a clear day-in seconds I am blinded by it, but looking into the Sun on a cold cloudy day-when the sky is grey-my vision into the Sun reflects colours, shinning ray's in all directions, and of course it shows petals showering down disintegrating before it hits the ground.
This was the description, given by the on-lookers, who stood behind the Children.

Its hard to believe Mary had come to them' in a way only two out of the three, could see or understand Mary speaking.
And the story clearly states, three Children witnessed this theory.

Not even the Lord came to His disciples as a bright light-He came in flesh and blood, so all may believe-He is the Christ.. Don't believe everything you hear, unless it's scriptural.

5minsmadness:
Whether you believe in miracles or not, there is an enormous amount of documentation for seemingly inexplicable events over the centuries that many people believe to be the work of God Himself. In this list I have tried to pick the ten most interesting of these cases.

For obvious reasons (lack of verification), this list does not include any tele-evangelist “faith healers”.

10. Marian Apparition in Zeitoun 1968 – 1970
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Probably the most famous of the marian apparitions, these were the visions of St Bernadette at Lourdes (related item 6 on this list), and three children in Fatima (related item 1 on this list). In both cases, the people involved said that the Virgin Mary gave them predictions of future events and preached prayer and penance. The famous case of Our Lady of Zeitoun took place in Zeitoun, Cairo, and contrary to the norm, the apparition was witnessed by millions of people over a period of 2 to 3 years. The apparition was even caught on film (as seen in the photograph above). The Coptic Orthodox Pope of Alexandria in Cairo issued a statement that the apparitions were real. The Catholic Church has yet to issue an official statement. You can view video footage here.http://www.zeitun-eg.org/zeitoun1.rm

9. Incorruptible Corpses
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Incorruptibility is the name given to the situation in which a dead person does not decay after death. The orthodox church consider it essential in considering a person for canonization as a saint, and the Roman Catholic Church consider it as sign of sainthood but not a necessity. Additionally, the Catholic Church believes that a body is not deemed incorruptible if it has undergone an embalming process or other means of preserving the dead, or if it has become stiff, as do all normal corpses, even when the best preservation techniques are used. Incorruptible saints remain completely flexible, as if they were only sleeping. Incorruptible bodies are often said to have the Odour of Sanctity, exuding a sweet aroma. Over the years there have been hundreds of Saints whose bodies have been found to be incorrupt – some many hundreds of years after their death. In the image above we see St Bernadette as she appears today – 129 years after her death. For more astonishing pictures of incorruptible corpses (including the incorrupt body of St Silvan who died over 1,500 years ago), visit the Top 10 Incorrupt Corpses.http://listverse.com/2007/08/21/top-10-incorrupt-corpses/

8. Therese Neumann 1896 – 1962
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Therese Neumann was a German Catholic mystic and stigmatic. On March 10, 1918, Therese Neumann was partially paralyzed after falling off a stool while attending to a fire in her uncle’s barn. She sustained more falls and injuries during this period. After one particular fall in 1919, she lost much of her eyesight. Therese reported that her eyesight was fully restored on April 29, 1923 — the day Therese of Lisieux was beatified (the first step to sainthood) in Rome. She said that on March 5, 1926, the first Friday of Lent, a wound had appeared slightly above her heart, but that she had kept this secret. However, she did report a vision of Jesus at Mount Olivet with three Apostles. On Easter Sunday, she claimed a vision of the resurrection of Christ. For several consecutive Fridays after that, she stated she was experiencing the Passion of Christ, supposedly suffering in her own body along with all his historic agonies. She especially suffered the Passion on Good Fridays each year. By November 5, 1926, she displayed nine wounds on her head as well as wounds on her back and shoulders (most of which are visible in the image above). According to several sources these wounds never healed or became infected and were found on her body at death. From the years of 1922 until her death in 1962, Therese Neumann said she had consumed no food other than The Holy Eucharist, and to have drunk no water from 1926 until her death. In July 1927 a medical doctor and four Franciscan nurses kept a watch on her 24 hours a day for a two-week period. They confirmed that she had consumed nothing except for one consecrated sacred Host a day, and had suffered no ill effects, loss of weight, or dehydration. Formal proceedings for her beatification were begun in 2005.

7. Statue in Akita 1973 – 1975
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In 1973, Sister Agnes Katsuko Sasagawa in Akita, Japan had visions of the Virgin Mary. On June 28, 1973, a cross-shaped wound appeared on the inside left hand of Sr. Agnes. It bled profusely and caused her much pain. On July 6, Sr. Agnes heard a voice coming from the statue of the Blessed Virgin Mary in the chapel where she was praying. The statue was carved from a single block of wood from a Katsura tree and is three feet tall. On the same day, a few of the sisters noticed drops of blood flowing from the statue’s right hand. The wound in the statue’s hand remained until September 29, when it disappeared. On September 29, the day the wound on the statue disappeared, the sisters noticed the statue had now begun to “sweat”, especially on the forehead and neck. Two years later on January 4, 1975, the statue of the Blessed Virgin began to weep. It continued to weep at intervals for the next 6 years and eight months. It wept on 101 occasions. Scientific analysis of blood and tears from the statute provided by Professor Sagisaka of the faculty of Legal Medicine of the University of Akita confirmed that the blood, tears, and perspiration are real human tears, sweat, and blood. They come from three blood groups: O, B, and AB. Sr. Agnes was also completely cured of total deafness. In June 1988, Cardinal Ratzinger (now Pope Benedict XVI) – head of the Office of Inquisition – judged the Akita events and messages as reliable and worthy of belief.

6. Lourdes 1858
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The apparitions of Our Lady of Lourdes began on 11 February 1858, when Bernadette Soubirous, a 14-year old peasant girl from Lourdes admitted, when questioned by her mother, that she had seen a “lady” in the cave of Massabielle, about a mile from the town, while she was gathering firewood with her sister and a friend. Similar appearances of the “lady” took place on seventeen further occasions that year. During one of the apparitions, she was directed by the “lady” to dig near a rock and drink from the spring there – there was a small puddle of mud in the place but as Bernadette dug in to it, a large spring appeared – this is the source of the water in the grotto to which millions of people flock for miraculous cures every year. The Lourdes Medical Bureau have declared 68 cases of inexplicable cures (out of thousands tested).You can read more on the scientific bureau here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lourdes_Medical_Bureau#Notable_cases

5 .Joseph of Cupertino 1603 – 1663
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Joseph of Cupertino is an Italian saint. He was said to have been remarkably unclever, but prone to miraculous levitation, and intense ecstatic visions that left him gaping. In turn, he is recognized as the patron saint of air travelers, aviators, people with a mental handicap, and weak students. He was canonized in 1767. On October 4, 1630, the town of Cupertino held a procession on the feast day of Saint Francis of Assisi. Joseph was assisting in the procession when he suddenly soared into the sky, where he remained hovering over the crowd. When he descended and realized what had happened, he became so embarrassed that he fled to his mother’s house and hid. This was the first of many flights, which soon earned him the nickname “The Flying Saint.” Joseph’s most famous flight allegedly occurred during a papal audience before Pope Urban VIII. When he bent down to kiss the Pope’s feet, he was suddenly filled with reverence for the Pope, and was lifted up into the air. He experienced ecstasies and flights (witnessed by thousands) during his last mass which was on the Feast of the Assumption 1663. Apple Inc.’s headquarters are in the California town of Cupertino, which was named after this saint

4 Tilma of Juan Diego 1474 – 1548
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Saint Juan Diego Cuauhtlatoatzin was an indigenous Mexican who reported an apparition of the Virgin Mary as Our Lady of Guadalupe in 1531. He had a significant impact on the spread of the Catholic faith within Mexico. According to Juan Diego, he returned home that night to his uncle Juan Bernardino’s house, and discovered him seriously ill. The next morning December 12, Juan Diego decided not to meet with the Lady, but to find a priest who could administer the last rites to his dying uncle. When he tried to skirt around Tepeyac hill, the Lady intercepted him, assured him his uncle would not die, and asked him to climb the hill and gather the flowers he found there. It was December, when normally nothing blooms in the cold. There he found roses from the region of Castille in Spain, former home of bishop Zumárraga. The Lady re-arranged the roses carefully inside the folded tilma that Juan Diego wore and told him not to open it before anyone but the bishop. When Juan Diego unfolded his tilma before the Bishop roses cascaded from his tilma, and an icon of Our Lady of Guadalupe was miraculously impressed on the cloth, bringing the bishop to his knees. The bishop acknowledged the miracle and within two weeks, ordered a shrine to be built where the Virgin Mary had appeared. The original tilma (pictured above) is on display in Guadalupe today and is one of the most frequently visited pilgrimage sites in the world

3 Padre Pio (St Pio of Pietrelcina) 1887 – 1968
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Francesco Forgione, later known as Padre Pio, canonized as Saint Pio of Pietrelcina, was an Italian Roman Catholic Capuchin priest who is now venerated as a saint in the Roman Catholic Church. He was given the name Pio when he joined the Order of Friars Minor Capuchin, and was popularly known as Padre Pio after his ordination to the priesthood. He became famous for his stigmata. Based on Padre Pio’s correspondence, even early in his priesthood he experienced less obvious indications of the visible stigmata for which he would later become famous. Though Padre Pio would have preferred to suffer in secret, by early 1919, news about the stigmatic friar began to spread in the secular world. Padre Pio’s wounds were examined by many people, including physicians. People who had started rebuilding their lives after World War I began to see in Padre Pio a symbol of hope. Those close to him attest that he began to manifest several spiritual gifts including the gifts of healing, bilocation, levitation, prophecy, miracles, extraordinary abstinence from both sleep and nourishment (One account states that Padre Agostino recorded one instance in which Padre Pio was able to subsist for at least 20 days at Verafeno on only the Eucharist without any other nourishment), the ability to read hearts, the gift of tongues, the gift of conversions, and the fragrance from his wounds. You can see his hands concealed by fingerless gloves to hide his stigmata. You may also be interested in this clip in which St Pio’s grave and coffin are opened (on March 3, 2008) revealing that his body is incorrupt. His body is now on display in San Giovanni Rotondo.
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2 The Miracle of Lanciano 700 AD
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In the city of Lanciano, Italy, around A.D. 700, a Basilian monk and priest was assigned to celebrate the Eucharistic sacrifice in the Latin Rite in the small Church of St.Legontian. Usually celebrating in the Greek Rite and using leavened bread and having been taught that unleavened bread was invalid matter for the Holy Sacrifice he was disturbed to be constrained to use unleavened bread and had trouble believing that the miracle of transubtantiation would take place with unleavened bread. During the Mass, when he said the words of consecration, he saw the bread change into live flesh and the wine change into live blood, which coagulated into five globules, irregular and differing in shape and size. Various ecclesiastical investigations have been conducted upon the miracle, and the evidence of the miracle remains in Lanciano to this day. In 1970-71, Professors from the University of Siena conducted a scientific investigation into the miracle. They concluded that the flesh and blood are human flesh and blood. The Flesh is a heart complete in its essential structure. The Flesh and the Blood have the same blood type, AB, which is also the same blood type found on the Shroud of Turin and all other Eucharistic Miracles. The Host-Flesh, which is the same size as the large Host used today in the Latin Church, is fibrous and light brown in color, and becomes rose-colored when lighted from the back. The Blood consists of five coagulated globules and has an earthly color resembling the yellow of ochre.

1. The Miracle of the Sun
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The Miracle of the Sun is an alleged miraculous event witnessed by as many as 100,000 people on 13 October 1917 in the Cova da Iria fields near Fátima, Portugal. Those in attendance had assembled to observe what the Portuguese secular newspapers had been ridiculing for months as the absurd claim of three shepherd children that a miracle was going to occur at high-noon in the Cova da Iria on October 13, 1917. According to many witness statements, after a downfall of rain, the dark clouds broke and the sun appeared as an opaque, spinning disk in the sky. It was said to be significantly less bright than normal, and cast multicolored lights across the landscape, the shadows on the landscape, the people, and the surrounding clouds. The sun was then reported to have careened towards the earth in a zigzag pattern, frightening some of those present who thought it meant the end of the world. Some witnesses reported that their previously wet clothes became “suddenly and completely dry.” Estimates of the number of witnesses range from 30,000-40,000 by Avelino de Almeida, writing for the Portuguese newspaper O Século, to 100,000, estimated by Dr. Joseph Garrett, professor of natural sciences at the University of Coimbra, both of whom were present that day. The miracle was attributed by believers to Our Lady of Fátima, an apparition of the Blessed Virgin Mary to three young shepherd children in 1917, as having been predicted by the three children on 13 July, 19 August, and 13 September 1917. The children reported that the Lady had promised them that she would on 13 October reveal her identity to them and provide a miracle “so that all may believe.” The event was officially accepted as a miracle by the Roman Catholic Church on 13 October 1930. In the image above you can see some of the many witnesses photographed during the event.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Beware Of The Doctrines Of Pharisees by brocab: 11:52pm On Aug 22, 2015*

You start of good, and then you become a Pharisee yourself, Quote tithes are not for everybody, only to those who have surrendered fully over to Jesus Christ, should pay their tithes.
COULD YOU SHED A LITTLE LIGHT ON THIS SUBJECT AND SHOW US VIEWERS IN WHAT WAY DO WE TITHE, AND WAS TITHING FOR THE JEWS OR THE GENTILES.
Matthew 17:24 "The tax collectors came over to Peter, and said: does not your teacher pay temple tax? Peter said yes, and when he had come into the house Jesus asked him saying, "What do you think, Simon? From whom do the kings of the earth take custom{tithes}or taxes, from their own sons or from strangers? Peter said to Him, from strangers.
"Jesus then said then the Sons are free.
Galatians 3:36 "Are we not the children of God, are we sons of Christ.
You say beware of the Pharisee doctrines, and yet you preach, what the Pharisees do.

FreshGreen:
BEWARE OF THE DOCTRINES OF THE PHARISEES
Matthew 16:6, “Then Jesus said to them, “Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and the Sadducees.”

Jesus Christ warned His disciples to beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, that is the doctrines of the Pharisees and Sadducee, because they were destructive. The doctrines of Pharisees are friendly and familiar, but they are dangerous.

Some Doctrines of The Pharisees:
CONCERN FOR SIGNS MORE THAN SALVATION
Matthew 16:1, “Then the Pharisees and Sadducee came, and testing Him asked that He would show them a sign from heaven.”

The Pharisees cared for signs from Jesus than the salvation He brought for them; their doctrines and teachings centered mostly on signs, because they were only looking for signs, and cared not for the salvation of their souls. The same doctrine is popular and paramount in the Christianity of today, everywhere. Preachers are preaching and praying mostly about signs and wonders, prophets are prophesying majorly about signs and wonders, and people are running after signs and wonders; they care most for miracles, blessings, breakthrough, healing, provision and protection from Jesus than Salvation of their souls and sanctification of their lives.

If your pastors preach about signs and wonders, miracles and blessings more than salvation and sanctification of life, it means your pastors are modern Pharisees. If your Bishop, G.O, or Senior Pastor teaches about breakthrough of prosperity and deliverance more than holiness and righteousness of life, it implies you are a victim of the doctrine of Pharisees. The worst of all is if your preachers or favorite pastors spend majority of the time of their messages, for example, spending about 55minutes to preach about God’s promises of blessings, breakthrough and prosperity, and when it remains like 5 minutes to round up, they begin to make fire brigade altar call without spending good time to talk about salvation – in order to pacify their conscience as if they still preach salvation, and to deceive you that you are in a bible church – please get it clear, if such is the situation of your church, it simply means you are under the hypocritical deception and delusion of Pharisees.

CONCERN FOR OUTWARD THAN INWARD
Matthew 15:1,2, “Then the scribes and Pharisees who were from Jerusalem came to Jesus, saying, 2 “Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.”

The doctrine of the Pharisees centered on outward well-being more than inward well-being, they cared for physical outlook than spiritual outlook, and they were particular about human approval than God's approval. Similar doctrine is being copied and circulated everywhere today. The preachers and pastors care for your physical well being than your spiritual well-being; they are concern about your earthly progress than your eternal destiny. The modern doctrine of Pharisees repeatedly preach and pray about financial and material prosperity, but care less about purity of life.

The truth is that, outward prosperity has nothing to do with the well-being of your soul. You can get all the prosperity of this life, you can be so prosperous financially, materially and medically, and yet your soul remains poor and famished. Outward prosperity has nothing to profit your eternal soul, what profits your soul is purity of life after the salvation of your soul in Christ Jesus.

If you are in a church or under a ministry where prosperity of life is mentioned and emphasized more than purity of life, then you are in serious danger of the doctrine of 21st Century Pharisees. Do you have a Sermon Note Book in which you jots messages in your church? Then check the last 10 messages in your church or 10 CD of your favorite preacher; if majority of the messages and sermons center on earthly blessings, promises of prosperity and prayers more than messages of holiness, purity and preparation for the second coming of Jesus Christ - if such is the case with you, then you have been feeding on the leaven and loaves of Pharisees for your destruction.

RELIGIOUS ACTIVITIES WITHOUT ACTIVE RELATIONSHIP WITH JESUS
Matthew 23:23, “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.”

Activity in the name of God without active relationship with Jesus is a mere religion. The Pharisees were more concerned about paying tithes than living a life of justice and mercy. Paying tithes-sermon is a common sermon in many churches today; paying tithes is good and biblical, but more than that is presenting your life as a living sacrifice, holy and accepted to God, which is your reasonable service. The truth is that, tithes payment is not meant for everybody in the church except those who have totally surrendered their lives to Jesus Christ- you may not hear that from your modern preachers. God wants us to first present our lives holy unto Him before we begin to pay tithes. Those G.Os, Bishops and pastors who say everybody, including unbelievers, should pay tithes are modern and mere Pharisees

If you are not genuinely saved and serving God in holiness, you need not to be concerned about paying tithes and offerings, your concern should be to first surrender your life to Jesus and be sanctified. Preachers who preach tithes more than more transformation of life in godliness are modern Pharisees. You are not qualified to pay tithes or help God’s work until you totally surrender your life to Jesus and start new life of holiness in Him. Your tithes and offerings are useless and baseless without the salvation of your soul and sanctification of your life.

Isaiah 1:13-16
Bring no more futile sacrifices;
Incense is an abomination to Me.
The New Moons, the Sabbaths, and the calling of assemblies—
I cannot endure iniquity and the sacred meeting.
14 Your New Moons and your appointed feasts
My soul hates;
They are a trouble to Me,
I am weary of bearing them.
15 When you spread out your hands,
I will hide My eyes from you;
Even though you make many prayers,
I will not hear.
Your hands are full of blood.
16 “Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean;
Put away the evil of your doings from before My eyes.
Cease to do evil.

CONCERN FOR SELF THAN SACRIFICING
Matthew 23:14, “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows’ houses, and for a pretense make long prayers. Therefore you will receive greater condemnation.”

The Pharisees’ doctrines and determinations were all about their “self interest and ego”, they would misinterpret the scriptures just to serve their personal benefits. They were after their self exaltation and luxury, they were looking for the best seat for pride and comfort. These Pharisees devoured widows’ houses in the name of giving to God, they discouraged adult children from taking care of their parents in the name of giving to God.

The similar thing is happening today: modern gospel teaches that giving to big pastors, senior pastors, bishops and prophets is more acceptable to God and profitable than giving to your parents or people around you who are in need. By so doing, many ignorantly ignore their parents, family members and friends in need so as to sow into a big pastors and their multimillion building projects. Have you ever heard a saying that the life of some particular pastors are the most vital land to sow seed? Such statement has no biblical back, it is from the pit of hell. Many Christians are ignorant, so they ignore people around them who have basic and genuine needs, and they go ahead to give prophetic seeds into the lives of big pastors who have millions laying fallow in their bank accounts.

Jesus warned us to beware, run away, from the doctrines of Pharisees and scribes. They are destructive and misleading. You will do yourself more good if you take heed to the warning of Jesus Christ. Do not feed your precious soul with the leaven of Pharisees, no matter how little; because a little leaven leavens the whole lump. Galatians 5:9. No matter how little a false teaching is, it has the capacity to contaminate a whole life, family and ministry.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Boko-haram Are The True Muslims. by brocab: 1:48pm On Aug 20, 2015*

I have read some interesting write up's on the net-The Qur"an {8:39}-{9:29}Muslims are told to fight the unbelievers until they are either dead. Converted to Islam or in a permanent of subjugation under Muslim domination. Allowing people of other faiths to live and worship independently of Islamic rule is not an option.
Where's the world's freedom of speech, we have these radical Muslims causing problems across our nations, slaughtering the innocent, decapitating their heads.
And in the other hand, we have the Roman empire, Pope Francis pleading for forgiveness, calling out to all domination's to reunite together coming under once again to a New World Religion.
One may wonder? Are these radical Muslims' the cause of what is stated, Or is it Rome? That stands above the Catholic Church in these last final days to come.
Can you imagine' with all our faith we have in Christ, and the works we have gained to know Jesus-that in a twinkle of an eye, the modern day Church will fall under that same old system the Roman Catholic Church once had, the one world religion, that who ever denies Rome {Church} will be tortured, slaughtered day and night, that thousands even millions will fall under the sway of the guillotine..

Christianity Etc › Re: Boko-haram Are The True Muslims. by brocab: 10:19am On Aug 19, 2015

If the Boko haram are true Muslims? Then who is Isis? Does Isis also make this same claim they are the true Muslims?
Then who is Boko haram?

Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings by brocab: 7:28am On Aug 09, 2015

If you are trying to win me over bro, then you need to come up with the truth.
Question I ask you, Do you believe huh

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Did Not Give Or Collect Tithe! by brocab: 7:39am On Aug 07, 2015

Tithing is good if you know how to tithe the way the Lord told you to tithe. And the Churches refuse to obey God's commandments.
Bring all you tithes into the storehouse-of foods stocks and crops, your first fruits of lambs goats, etc so My people maybe fed..
That's not so hard to do, is it huh

henry255:
That the new testament did not bring it to your notice does not mean Jesus abolished it.
Several places in the old testament laid claims to the credibility and necessity in the act of tithing.
Every practical Christian Order practiced in the old was not condemned in the new but rather, it was more or less restructured and or modernized to differentiate true christianity from religion. Eg burnt offering. Etc.

Tithing is NEVER a fraud. If you don't pay tithes and offering, nothing will revitalize the ordained and move him forward.

Ofcos in life, no one survives witot money. The priests in the old were not expected to own businesses; it is the church that looks into their welfare. Now how does this money come, through offering and tithing.

Christianity Etc › Re: How To Know False Teachers And Preachers by brocab: 2:05am On Aug 07, 2015*

Mainly all Churches from different demonstrations around the world are collecting financial gains in tithes and offerings.
Jesus says in 1 Timothy 6:3- "explains how these false prosperity preachers, pastors or priest who collect monies twisting the word of God are false prophets. Jesus said: withdraw yourselves from them.
Jesus warns us in scripture about men of corrupt minds destitute of the truth who suppose the godliness is the means of gain {finances}Jesus wrote in the bible about our future, He has given us warning about who's to come these false prophets are wolves in sheep clothing, building large mega Churches, listen these men are using un-scriptural knowledge, wisdom that belongs to a world of greed, this wisdom is not from above, but its from below where Satan himself reins.

Matthew 4:8-10 "Again the devil took Jesus up on a exceedingly high mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory.
And he said to Him "ALL THESE THINGS I WILL GIVE YOU IF YOU WILL FALL DOWN AND WORSHIP ME.
Then Jesus said to him, "Away from you Satan! For it is written you shall worship the LORD YOUR GOD and Him you shall serve."

By their fruits you will know them-everyday, something said 'somewhere' about our many pastors around the world, they have either failed to obey God's word by falling away into temptation, listening to other Spirits, corrupting the innocent, twisting the word of God, allowing Satan Himself to have full dominion over them. Signed in full their signatures, documents to prove each had sold their own souls over to the beast.
A worldly choice-which can only lead them to their own destructions, in return for their rewards, is to collect financial tithes and offerings from people who have chosen not to read the word of God in full. But those who have chosen to support this greed that lies within the Church that dies. Twisting and turning the word of God, living the high lights as the world lives.
1 John 4:5 "They are of the world, Therefore they speak of the world, and the world hears them.

Look further into the distance, look beyond your minds and watch the worldly industry in music men and women crying out to the world, singing out loud-how each one had sold their own souls over to Satan signing a contract to the illiminati that's leading them to Hell-with a no birth right, back guarantee.
Satan controls the music, which leaves the demons the demonic controlling the performers on stage.

Watch and learn the Church? Something other then the word of God starts preforming and its leading millions away from the truth.
Check out the fruit below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Pf8nRMtVkY
The truth will set you free.

Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings by brocab: 7:48am On Aug 04, 2015*

Matthew 4:8-9 "And all the prosperity preachers were taken up on a exceedingly high mountain, and the devil showed them all the kingdoms of the world and their glory's, and the devil said to them all these things I will give you, if you will fall down and worship me.

Mark 8:36 "For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul.

1 Timothy 6:3-10 "Then the Lord said, If Anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness, He is proud, know nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, useless wrangling's of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose the godliness is the means of gain {finances}
From such withdraw yourself.
For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.
But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and harmful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, which some have strayed from the faith in their Greediness.

Revelation 13:3 "And the hole world were amazed and followed after the beast.
Revelation 14:11 "And they worshipped the beast and his imaged.
Collecting and paying tithes and offerings.

Christianity Etc › Re: Please I Am Confused About The Time Of Rapture According To The Bible... by brocab: 2:33pm On Jul 27, 2015*

Is this your answer to me is Step down? How about you? Are you not brainwashed-like the rest of the members? Will you front up to Pastor Christ, now that you know he is a fraud? It takes one man to wear the lords armour, carrying his shield of faith in his left hand, and the sword of the Spirit in his right hand-travelling with God's wisdom and Gods' knowledge to start a riot, and always ready to use the word for God..
God can use someone like you, without the fear of man-one who is willing to go out and battle against the principalities and the powers of this world. The Devil of old-Satan, causing deputes between God's army and Satan's army who have involved themselves in the Church of God.

{The story of the wheat and the tares}

You are right I don't know the Africans, only because I'm not African, but what I do know is about the prosperity preachers all over the world.
Jesus had warned us about these wolves in sheep clothing, false prophets-leading large mega Churches, all in the name of Jesus.
Men of corrupt minds destitute of the truth, knowing nothing, causing deputes, arguments, and using the word of God for financial Gain.
From such withdraw yourselves.
{Other words-leave the Church, and find a Church that's preaching the truth in Christ}

Good and Evil' either way will always find their own, Good and Evil can be staring right at you. And in this day and age without the word of God, people in genial don't have any discernment between what is Good and what is Evil.
This shows when the Lord had written the bible, He had given us warnings, that these near end times, we can discern by making a choice who we worship and obey.

Matthew 24:5 "Jesus said: many will come in My name claiming I am the Christ, and deceive many.
Luke 21:8 "He replied "Watch out that you are not deceived for many will come in My name Claiming I am He, the time is near, do not follow them.
{What would Jesus do} If Jesus Himself acted like one of these pastors 'then the world would have no cause, and die without a purpose.
Its the same every where, prosperity preachers can only find what the world can find-worldly riches, building in a worldly system that belongs to a world of pure Evil.
Jesus said: you cant worship God and Mammon at the same time, you either Hate one and Love the other.

1 John 2:15 "Jesus said: do not love the world, or anything in the world. if anyone loves the world the love of the Father is not in them.

paxonel:
step down?
it's like you don't know these Africans.
a political administrator has never stepped down because he was found corrupt in the history of African politics, is it a religious leader who will tell you i build the church by my own effort that will step down?
impossible.
the worst is, over 80% of the church members comprising of brainwashed minds, will still uphold the pastor as their spiritual head inspite the level of misconduct found by the pastor.
we have heard of one rev king who was indicated for murdering his church member, yet some members of that church goes to prison to feed him, saying he was suffering persecution as Paul and Salas suffered, that he was not guilty of the murder

Christianity Etc › Re: Please I Am Confused About The Time Of Rapture According To The Bible... by brocab: 12:35am On Jul 27, 2015*

I see, after reading about Pastor Chris okafor he is a prosperity preacher, another one biting the dust, wrong teachings always leads to destruction, by his own sermons he is after the cash more then he preachers the truth on the word of God. Already the fruit of the spirit isn't showing-and destruction will always come forward, with those who fail the test.

And if these allegations against him are true, then the Church needs to stand fern, telling him to step down from his authority, if he is found guilty he needs to repent before the Lord-and if the Church is willing after he repents-let him preach.
If God can forgive so the Church must forgive-this man needs to re-study the scriptures before he becomes a preacher again.

His wife is accusing him for bashing her, while other women involved in the Church have accused him for sleeping around with them.
If these allegations are true, by their fruits you will know them-others words this man does not follow God-What's wrong with the Church, why are they allowing this man to keep on preaching, this isn't showing a good example, is this the way the Church expects to act against each other? What the blind do, the blind don't see.
Church get him out-someone stand up to Him, question his so called authority. Until Pastor Chris is found innocent place the second pastor in charge of the Church as long as he isn't corrupted too.
If Pastor Chris is found guilty he needs to repent to God, he needs to repent to the Church, and all those he has feared and hurt.
This man needs to step down.

paxonel:
prosperity preachers can afford to exist in developed nations such as America and the UK, these countries have stable economy.
The urgent need for Africa is not prosperity preachers, Africa need enlightenment urgently.
Africans need to be informed about the Bible content, what information the Bible is trying to pass, and no pastor is ready to do that. All they want is money.
Right now, i followed a friend to one liberation city church in Lagos, Nigeria.
the pastor is just saying because Abraham sacrificed his son(ignoring the Scripture that says the least person in God's kingdom is greater than Abraham ) that church members should go and empty their bank account and come and sacrifice the money on his ulter.
i swear to God, this thing is happening right now as i post this ,10:37am, Sunday 26th July 2015.
You can search for pastor Chris okafor message of this date.
image the way people are desperate to get money.
and foolish Nigerian government don't see these things

Christianity Etc › Re: Please I Am Confused About The Time Of Rapture According To The Bible... by brocab: 12:10am On Jul 27, 2015*

Well said: Matthew 24:44 " Say's it all.
It makes a lot of difference if one knows the truth-one who is willing to spend a little time reading the word of God.
Studying and learning bible scriptures, understanding the truth not fiction-facts without fairy tales-stories that shows evidence, separating the truth from the lies. That alone make a difference.
Jesus said: Test the Spirits. Weather they are of God or not.

NumberOne2:
The Great Tribulation cannot be researved for Christians. This will be an injustice by God's standards.
However, if before or after the tribulation, what does it matter? Some will die before then and face their before others. The key is just be ready. Jesus said:
Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. - Matthew 24:44

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