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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Catholics Pray Through Mary by brocab: 12:27pm On Dec 03, 2019*

I also pray the Lord's prayer-you shouldn't be ashamed to do the same-Mary and the saints will not save you, Jesus can, and will, if you would turn yourself over to Him today, ask Him into your life-allowing His Holy Spirit to set you free from all false literature and corruption within the Catholic Church..
{Hebrews 4:15-16} For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who was tempted in every way that we are, yet was without sin. Let us then approach the throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.
Go into your secret place and pray to our Father who art in Heaven, and pray for those that truly need our prayers,, asking the Lord to bring salvation to you, and they, 'healing them, that all man kind will be saved.

Jusmudi:
Are u saying u pray only d Lords prayer?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Catholics Pray Through Mary by brocab: 10:08pm On Dec 01, 2019

Why pray to the saints who have already gone before us, go into your secret place and pray this:
Our Father,
who art in heaven,
hallowed be thy name;
thy kingdom come;
thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread;
and forgive us our trespasses
as we forgive those who trespass against us;
and lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from the evil one
Amen

Jusmudi:
Did u read what I said? I ask dem to join me in prayers since dey are already in heaven. Just like a final year student ll b doing tutorial for those in 100 level

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Catholics Pray Through Mary by brocab: 1:16am On Dec 01, 2019*

Your point is 'you are praying to and for the saints who have already made it to Heaven-expecting Mary and the saints to save you, expecting them to lay their hands upon you for healing.. It isn't our job to pray for those who have gone before us to be with the Lord, we are not expected to pray for Paul nor to Peter nor the other apostles or disciples, Jesus will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death' or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.
"Our job is to pray for those that need eternal salvation., laying our hands upon them for healing.
{James 5:16} Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed.
I don't need to confess my sins to Mary nor the saint's who have gone before me, the bible is telling me to pray for those in need, do you obviously believe Mary and the saints who have gone before us, need healing? ..
{1 Timothy 2:1-2} First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way.
I pray for kings and governments, to heal the land that we live a peaceful and quite life.

Jusmudi:
Revelation 8:3-4 ESV /
And another angel came and stood at the altar with a golden censer, and he was given much incense to offer with the prayers of all the saints on the golden altar before the throne, and the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, rose before God from the hand of the angel

Revelation 5:8 ESV /
And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.

Now therefore take seven bulls and seven rams and go to my servant Job and offer up a burnt offering for yourselves. And my servant Job shall pray for you, for I will accept his prayer not to deal with you according to your folly. For you have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has.

Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 6:07am On Nov 30, 2019

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Catholics Pray Through Mary by brocab: 6:03am On Nov 30, 2019

In different Asian countries, a country full of Catholic's have one day of the year-feeding their dead in cemetery's, they pray over there dead loved ones, praying the dead will carry the living through to the next life..
They leave gifts of gold and silver, food and drink expecting the dead to raise and be merry after the living have gone home.
Catholic's pray to the dead saints expecting them to ask God for eternal life.
They pray to Mary to save them-and in scripture nothing of the above is scriptural.
{Mark 12:27} He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living. "The Catholic's are therefore greatly mistaken.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Catholics Pray Through Mary by brocab: 1:23am On Nov 29, 2019*

I don't pray for the dead-God is God of the living-the saints before us have finish their race and now they are with the Lord-its the saints that are left 'those who stand with us today, need our prayers daily..

Jusmudi:
But do u believe in prayers of saints?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Catholics Pray Through Mary by brocab: 10:14pm On Nov 27, 2019*

I also believe in the trinity-Father Son and the Holy spirit these three are One, Christianity is based upon Love-it's about God changing us-allowing God to mold us 'sharp us-and build us up for His Glory-Mary was chosen and we all respect that-we are also chosen by God, to full fill His purpose.
{Ephesians 4:11-12} And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, to equip the saints for works of ministry, to build up the body of Christ,…
Praying always in spirit and in truth,, Mary and the saints before us have already finished their race, and now it's our turn to finish our race, and those after us will finish their race..

Jusmudi:
U are very right on this. But I know my church, we deal with everything concerning d Trinity. Bro d truth is, Christianity is based on conscience

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Catholics Pray Through Mary by brocab: 8:10pm On Nov 27, 2019

Every religion-has a Jesus-but not every religion have a fellowship with Jesus, nor do they accept the Holy Spirit, nor pray only to the Father, I say if we can't understand the scriptures in the first place-then we don"t know Jesus at all..

Jusmudi:
Bro na English u Dey speak wel done

Christianity Etc › Re: Higher Everyday — Making Wrong Right by brocab: 10:52pm On Nov 22, 2019

During the span of the Greek and Roman occupations, two important political/religious groups emerged in Israel. The Pharisees added to the Law of Moses through oral tradition and eventually considered their own laws more important than God’s {Mark 7:1–23}.
While Christ’s teachings often agreed with the Pharisees, He railed against their hollow legalism and lack of compassion.
The Sadducees represented the aristocrats and the wealthy. The Sadducees, who wielded power through the Sanhedrin, rejected all but the Mosaic books of the Old Testament. They refused to believe in resurrection and were generally shadows of the Greeks, whom they greatly admired.
The events of the intertestamental period set the stage for Christ and had a profound impact on the Jewish people.
Both Jews and pagans from other nations were becoming dissatisfied with religion.
The pagans were beginning to question the validity of polytheism. Romans and Greeks were drawn from their mythologies toward the Hebrew Scriptures, now easily accessible in Greek or Latin.
The Jews, however, were despondent. Once again, they were conquered, oppressed, and polluted.
Hope was running low; faith was even lower. They were convinced that now the only thing that could save them and their faith was the appearance of the Messiah.
Not only were people primed and ready for the Messiah, but God was moving in other ways as well: the Romans had built roads {to aid the spread of the gospel}; everyone understood a common language, Koine Greek {the language of the New Testament}; and there was a fair amount of peace and freedom to travel {further aiding the dissemination of the gospel}
The New Testament tells the story of how hope came, not only for the Jews but for the entire world.
Christ’s fulfillment of prophecy was anticipated and recognized by many who sought Him out.
The stories of the Roman centurion, the wise men, and the Pharisee Nicodemus show how Jesus was recognized as the Messiah by those from several different cultures. The “400 years of silence” of the intertestamental period were broken by the greatest story ever told—the gospel of Jesus Christ!

Christianity Etc › Re: Higher Everyday — Making Wrong Right by brocab: 8:34pm On Nov 18, 2019

OLAADEGBU:
Higher Everydɑy
MONDAY NOVEMBER 18, 2019

The Believer In The Last Days
TEXT: Ephesians 5:15-16

• Prɑyer: "Father, please grant me the grace to be separate from sinners."
•

Amen

Christianity Etc › Re: Higher Everyday — Making Wrong Right by brocab: 11:11pm On Nov 17, 2019

I am sure we all pray to prosper from above in Word of wisdom and knowledge, let us pray for health that flows through our heart, mind and soul to Love one another as Christ Loved us, Let us live for love for eternity with our Father who art in Heaven.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Catholics Pray Through Mary by brocab: 9:37pm On Nov 12, 2019*

Jusmudi:
Catholics do not pray "to" Mary as an equal to God. They pray "through" Mary as an intercessor who prays to God on behalf of mankind.

You don't pray to Mary-but yet the Catholic's pray through Mary using Mary as their mediator to bring them closer to God, as they claim-when in scripture Jesus is our only mediator to the Father.
There is so many different religions that claim they walk with Jesus-all of course they claim to follow the scriptures, denying it's power, Jesus said: many will claim to be Him in the last day's..
Buddhist for interest, they clearly quote some scriptures and they focus on good thoughts-keeping their bad thoughts out, "O" I wish we could all do that, it's understanding why they keep themselves separate from the rest of the world.
Buddhist do mediate claiming to know God-but who is their God-he is a man pointed as high priest, while his followers bow and worship him, bringing him gifts-claiming to be the holy of hollies" a false Christ in the makings.
We have so many different religions claiming some what other then the real Christ Himself-this is why I rely on the Word of God to keep me from going astray-people from all sorts of life are deceived daily, Jesus said: many have been called, but few are chosen, wrong teachings can cause problems within the body of Christ, it keeps them further away from the truth.
The Word of God teaches us, when we pray we pray directly to the Father in heaven in our secret place {Matthew 6:6}

Jusmudi:
Catholics do not pray "to" Mary as an equal to God. They pray "through" Mary as an intercessor who prays to God on behalf of mankind.
If Catholics were to pray to Mary, this would imply that they are worshipping her as a god. But Catholics do not perceive Mary as a god. (i) They honour the Blessed Virgin Mary. (ii) The view Mary as the holiest of all the Saints. (iii) The accept the fact that Mary is the most successful Saint at obtaining Divine favours through her intercession. the above mentioned belief is partially based on the fact that Jesus is the King of kings and Mary, as the mother of the King, is the "queen mother." Then, when studying Jewish history, it is discovered that the institution of the "queen mother" was established during the reign of King Solomon.
In the Old Testament, we learn of the favoured position of the queen mother through the following words, "... then the king sat on his throne, and had a throne brought for the king's mother, and she sat on his right. Then she said, 'I have one small request to make of you, do not refuse me.' And the king said to her, 'Make your request, my mother, for I will not refuse you.'" [1 Kgs. 2:19-20]
Following the reign of King Solomon, many of the kings kept this practice. The mother of the king, through who the king received his throne, was trusted as a confident and advisor. So important was the function of the queen mothers in the days of the Old Testament that their names were listed in the succession records of the kings of Judah. [See 1 Kgs 14:21, 15:13; 2 Kgs. 12:1, 14:2, 15:2, etc...]
Similar to the intercession of the Queen Mother, when a child desires a favour and cannot obtain it from his/her parents, frequently the child will make the request to the grandparent to intercede on his/her behalf, therefore obtaining the favour that was being sought. This does not mean that the child is seeking the parental favour from the grandparent. Rather, the child is seeking the intercession of the grandparents before the parents.
Furthermore, Catholics do not differentiate between the living (in this world) and the dead (those who departed) members of the Body of Christ (the fullness of the Church.) The fullness of the mystical Body of Christ is found in the union of all the saints, past and present, here below and those above in Heaven.
In view of the aforementioned, it cannot be denied that those who were called to Heaven, including Mary, are still alive in spirit in the Kingdom of God that coexists with our world. As some non-Catholics pray through their deceased parents, grandparents or other biological relatives, asking these beloved departed persons to intercede before God on their behalf, Catholics pray through Mary to Jesus, taking advantage of her blessed position as the Mother of God.
This Catholic action affirms the prophetic and Divinely inspired passage that is found in the Holy Bible where it states, "Surely, from now on all generations will call me blessed." [Lk. 1:47] All generations could not call Mary blessed if she was not actively involved in the progressive Divine Plan that continues to develop before our eyes.
Indeed, all generations have called the Blessed Virgin Mary blessed, including this one, because she has never stopped interceding on behalf of the world, her intercession obtaining endless miraculous cures and other favours. The role of Mary in the area of obtaining physical miraculous cures is well known and documented in Lourdes, France, this being only one of the many holy places where the grace of God has been manifested through the Virgin Mary at apparition sites.
Rev;5:8(the prayer of the saints)
Rev 8:3-4(the prayer of Angels)
Matt18:10(Angels praying for little children )
Even at the wedding feast of cana
I Bliv some catholics in the houz can help me with some point. Tanks

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Catholics Pray Through Mary by brocab: 1:55pm On Nov 12, 2019*

How else would you prefer me to answer this, if we were to search the scriptures, we would find somethings that doesn't add up, Jesus's own flesh and blood siblings didn't believe Jesus is the Christ. as we read through the scriptures-a disciple said to Jesus your Mother and siblings are outside wanting to speak with you, Jesus then said: “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?”
[color=#000000]Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.” [/color]
I find this quite strange-that Jesus stood up and said this in front of His family-He knew His own family didn't believe in Him.
Scripture doesn’t tell us much about James in his early years. We know he was Jesus’ younger brother, grew up in his same household, and had the closest interaction with Jesus one could possibly have, the Gospels tell us that Jesus’ own brothers didn’t believe that he was the Son of God.
After witnessing the large crowds who followed Jesus, {Mark 3:21} reports, “And when his family heard it, they went out to seize [Jesus], for they were saying, He is out of his mind.”
Additionally, {John 7:5} admits, “For not even his brothers believed in him.” It’s hard to mistake what the Gospel authors report here. Jesus’ closest family members — James included — were skeptics.
So we see, Jesus siblings didn't believe Jesus is the Christ-By the scriptures it seems Mary wasn't convinced Jesus was the Son of God either?
Now Mary is favourable to the Catholic Church-Mary was chosen to give birth to God's only begotten Son.
So the question still stands, was there a reason why she didn't share the truth to her other siblings about the greatest miracle that ever happened, in scripture Jesus was accused by His Family including Mary" and by Teachers of the Law.
This is what I love about Jesus-His the King of Kings the Lord of Lords, the only begotten Son of God, who stood for us, a Almighty God indeed..

Jusmudi:
U really did not write this long Episode just for fun

Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 1:30am On Nov 09, 2019

Your torment is killing you!

Maximus69:
Obviously you're AVOIDING Jehovah's Witnesses COMPLETELY!

Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 2:34pm On Nov 07, 2019

{2 Corinthians 6:14} “Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?”
If this verse doesn't help you, then try this one for size...
You hypocrite! {Matthew 7:6} Do not give dogs what is holy; do not throw your pearls before swine. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.
And this is what JW's do they tear the Word of God to pieces.

Maximus69:
Topic of this thread
How can one WITNESS to a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS

It's obvious that someone dragged you with a rope on your neck into this thread, because everyone can SEE that you're AVOIDING Jehovah's Witnesses COMPLETELY!

Preposterous indeed!

Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 4:21am On Nov 03, 2019*

Janosky:
Shove your delusion back into your POO tank. Your brain needs it for optimal performance.....

This is a good reason why we avoid completely..
Have you not heard: {2 Corinthians 6:14} “Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?”

Maximus69:
Obviously you guys just type anxiously without meditating on what you're about to type on social media!

Just listen to your own very self!

you are avoiding JWs COMPLETELY

Yet you're here always trying to engage JWs in argument, the same people you're AVOIDING COMPLETELY!

Wow! That's preposterous!

Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 5:27am On Nov 01, 2019*

With good reason why we avoid you completely-you don't speak of the same Jesus...
Let’s begin with {2 John 1:10-11} If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; Whoever greets such a person shares in his evil deeds.…
In the previous verses John speaks of “deceivers” and of “whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ” {verses 7 and 9}.
It is evident that the subject being dealt with in this letter is that some no longer walked in the truth.
Some had embraced a false doctrine and were actually preaching that Christ was not coming in the flesh; that is, that Christ was not living in the lives of His disciples {verse 7}.
After several decades in the first generation of the Church of God, false teachers and false teachings were spreading and threatening to deceive some. John also stated in {1 John 4:1-6} that some taught that Christ never came in the flesh.

Hairyrapunzel:
You that said jesus came invisibly in 1914 and chose the publishing company called watchtower organisation to represent him as the one true religion on earth nko?

Charles Russel, the founder of the Jehovah Witness group made the claim to his followers that Jesus would come back in 1914 based on a highly questionable misinterpretation of {Daniel 8:14}. The JW's teach Jesus came back invisible!

Maximus69:
I just imagine how beautiful it will be if argumentators like you and your folks could hold unto your application of that scripture.
Though that's NOT what John meant, but it would bring a great relief walking up to interested persons without you guys trying to soil our message as you avoid us completely!

But NO you guys won't do that, you only quote scriptures and the meaning you yourself gives it is what you'll never apply!

Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 3:46am On Nov 01, 2019*

Hairyrapunzel:
You that say your jehovah says he will destroy wicked/worldly people because they refused to join watchtower organisatio, unquestionably obey 8 old uninspired fallible and imperfect men who reside in New York and also accept that they are the only channel of communication between God and man today nko?

You that said jesus came invisibly in 1914 and chose the publishing company called watchtower organisation to represent him as the one true religion on earth nko?

You that said jehovah said that you should reject blood transfusion nko?

You that said jehovah said you should not celebrate birthday or Christmas or Thanksgiving nko?

I can list all your doctrines. In fact no one is stated in the bible.

You will die while waiting for your new system just like your founding fathers died waiting. The only place your new system will come is inside your head/imagination and your watchtower magazines.

Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 4:40pm On Oct 30, 2019*

He had answers your question's, but because you don't have the Spirit of the Lord, what he had written won't make any sense to you..
And that's understandable, before I knew the Lord, I also didn't have that spiritual knowledge either, if anybody spoke to me about God-I would run as far away I can 'refusing to listen, and what understanding I thought I had 'was nil-I was unteachable-just like your understanding is now "dead spirituality..
The bible tells us: {Matthew 7:6} Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.
So it comes to a time, when we realise you are unteachable, you always come back with an argument over issues that isn't necessary.
{2 John 1:10} If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;
Whoever greets such a person shares in his evil deeds.…

Janosky:
Forget this your long epistle , brocab.
Go and provide solid scriptural answers to the 3 JAMB questions ken4christ has been dodging....

Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 2:27pm On Oct 29, 2019

Janosky:
Ken4 FALSEHOOD , I told you earlier that you came to NL to make a mockery of yourself.

As it is said: don't mock what you don't understand-we don't call it mockery, "only if you would just read the scriptures for yourself--understand them and understand God, you would know, his understanding of the bible is leading him directly to righteousness. Praise the Lord...

Janosky:
Your "eternal torment" (*@1) and
"eternal place of destruction " (@**ii)
are very DIFFERENT & CONTRADICTORY like Night and Day. Very stark opposites.
Hellfire torture is NOT destruction, STOP fooling yourself.
Ken4 FALSEHOOD , I told you earlier that you came to NL to make a mockery of yourself.
All your insults and invectives are proof you're a brainwashed Pharisee spreading POO.

None of your pastorpreneurs can provide credible, scriptural answers to those 3 JAMB questions you FAILED WOEFULLY.
Your FALSEHOOD have been exposed.

Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 12:18am On Oct 26, 2019*

And because you refuse to hear the Word of God, mocking it at your best-The Lord said:
{Matthew 7:6} Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet and turn and tear you in pieces.
{John 5:19} So Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, the Son can do nothing by Himself, unless He sees the Father doing it. For whatever the Father does, the Son also does.
{So if the Father is the Creator-then the Word ''Jesus is also the Creator { John 1:1 }
God is the Creator-{Genesis 1:1. Job 33:4, Isaiah 40:28}
So if the Word of God claims God is: and if Jesus is one with His Father 'then He also is the Creator-{John 1:1-3, Colossians 1:12-17, Hebrews 1:8-12}
God is the first and last- {Isaiah 41:4, 44:6, 48:12}
The Word of God also tells us, Jesus is: the first and last-{Revelations 1:17, 2:8, 22:13}
God is-I AM- {Exodus 3: 13-14, Deutoronomy 32:39, Isaiah 43: 10}
Jesus is-I AM-{John 8:24, 58, 13:19, 18:5}
God is Judge-{Genesis 18:25, Psalm 96:13, Joel 3:12}
Jesus is the Judge-{2 Timothy 4:1, 2 Corinthians 5:10, Romans 14:10-12}
God is the King-{Psalm 47, 44:6-8, Jeremiah 10:10}
Jesus is the King of Kings-{Matthew 2:1-6, John 19:21, 1 Timothy 6:13-16}
God is Saviour-{Psalm 106:21, Isaiah 43:3,11, 45:21-23}
No one comes to the Father except through Me, Jesus is our Saviour-{John 4:42, Acts 4:10-12, 1 John 4:4}
God is the Shepherd-{Psalm 23, 100:3, Isaiah 40:11}
Jesus is our Shepherd-{John 10:11, Hebrews 13:20, 1 Peter 5:4}
And we may not forget-{John 14:6} Jesus said to him, “I AM the way, the TRUTH and the LIFE. No one comes to the FATHER except through ME.

Janosky:
If you know about spirituality, let's confirm...
If you really know Jesus Christ, who did Jesus say is "the only true God"?

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Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 12:08am On Oct 23, 2019

Maximus69:
Come and eat Sir, Jehovah's Witnesses have just what it takes to feed you and all your folks spiritually speaking!

{Matthew 7:6} Jesus said: “Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.
Spirituality speaking is this..

Maximus69:
Explain what you mean to those who can be deceived by your lies!

If you were talking about spiritual hunger, go and read Amos 8:11 and Isaiah 65:13

It's those who are spiritually famished that sits in a spot begging for spiritual food.

Jesus has used the faithful and discrete slave GB to prepare enough food so that we have more than enough! Luke 12:42

That's why we're always coming to visit you and your folks in our neighborhood, do you think someone spiritually famished can do that?

Come and eat Sir, Jehovah's Witnesses have just what it takes to feed you and all your folks spiritually speaking!

Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 1:32am On Oct 22, 2019*

In most cases this is pretty simple to understand, when I said: there are groups of hungry Christians everywhere, maybe we will find a very small group in your organisation, we may even find them sitting elsewhere in other Churches, we may find them on the street, in the gutters, or living next door to you.,

Maximus69:
(1) You can never and you will never find one single dedicated member of God's people (Jehovah's Witnesses) beg for food anywhere! Psalms 23:1

It seems you haven't the slightest idea what "hungry Christians mean, "I said: there are groups of hungry Christians everywhere" this doesn't mean they are begging for food, it means they are hungry for God.
{Matthew 7:6} Jesus said: “Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.
This means it is pointless to even try to disguess anything with you, casting my pearls before swine is a waste of time, you haven't the slightest idea about any concerning matters..

Maximus69:
(1) You can never and you will never find one single dedicated member of God's people (Jehovah's Witnesses) beg for food anywhere! Psalms 23:1
It's just one of JEHOVAH'S promise to his people!
Psalms 37:25

(2)We've come to know that the same Michael (the archangel) is Jesus Christ but if you don't agree with that, that's no problem of ours, you just gather few of your folks from different nations, teach them what you know about Jesus and make one big happy family of peace loving worshipers with then to prove that you people knew the PRINCE of PEACE better than what Jehovah's Witnesses are saying, that's all!

(3)The same Jesus who made that warning said "by their FRUIT" NOT "by his/her FRUIT" meaning you will see a group of people from different ~ nations, works of life, cultures, backgrounds. You'll also notice that some are cool headed, some are tough, some are still battling with the works of the flesh which they inherited through Adamic sin, but as a BODY of people you'll see the holy spirit producing the FRUIT in their gathering! Matthew 7:15-20
He also said at Revelation that if you notice that the organization you're worshiping with is NOT PRODUCING THE DESIRED FRUIT, take you leave! Revelations 18:4
But Jesus followers will be separated from all false religions as one unique group of people! John 17:14-16
So Jesus concludes that when you (brocab) see that, then know that you've found Jesus' group! Matthew 5:14-16

(4)Yes Jehovah's Witnesses went out of different religious groups claiming Christians to form one body, why? Because we're not seeing the works of God's holy spirit in any of the groups we left behind! {Matthew 16:12}
Today the whole earth can see that someone stronger than the Prince of this world {John 14:30} is at work and he is the one uniting us! John 17:20-23

(5)Yes Jehovah's Witnesses began from the time of Abel(Adam's second son) till today! Hebrews 11:4 compared to Matthew 23:35.
But that unique name was hidden {Isaiah 65:15} until 1931 at a convention of Jehovah's modern day servants. You don't need to believe it but the FRUIT the organization is producing today will help honest hearted and sincere observers to know that this is the organization Isaiah prophesied about! Isaiah 2:1-4 compared to Micah 4:1-3

God bless you!

Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 12:43am On Oct 21, 2019*

Maximus69:
For your information, the Watchtower have been working round the clock to gather the subjects for that kingdom and JEHOVAH has blessed their effort. That's why we're now numbering over 8,500,000 peace loving worshipers from all the nations of this earth! Isaiah 2:1-4

The above message show's us you believe the 8,500,000 are Jehovah witnesses. I said: there are groups of hungry Christians everywhere, maybe we will find a very small group in your organisation, we may even find them sitting elsewhere in other Churches, we may find them on the street, in the gutters, or living next door to you.
This is why it is important to test everybody who thinks they have some what knowledge about Christ, in your case Micheal the archangel is Christ in the making.
And yet Jesus warned us about false prophets claiming to be Him-unfortunately you believe the Watchtower is full to the brim of Christians..

Maximus69:
Millions of Jewish zealots and Pharisees of the first century SAW all what Jesus did and even witnessed how his followers were gathering people from all the nations as one big happy family of peace loving worshipers with the support of God's holy spirit, yet just few of them became obedient to the faith! Act 6:7
What stopped so many of them from accepting the truth?

{1 John 2:19} They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us, they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.
The Jehovah witnesses began in the 1870's, you went out from us and began your organisation to separate yourselves away from the truth.

Maximus69:
It's just a people from all the nations of the earth, it has nothing to do with number but for you to know that the teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses is uniting people as one family!

Noah had only eight persons in the ark but today, we've gotten 8,500,000 peace loving worshipers from all nations! Isaiah 2:1-4

Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 9:16pm On Oct 20, 2019*

8,500.000 is quite small to brag about, don't you realise Jesus has His followers all over the world, there are groups of hungry Christians everywhere, maybe we may find a very small group in your organisation, or we may find them in the Catholic Church even in the Baptised, or the Pentecostal, wherever they are, God knows.
{1 Corinthians 13:4-8} Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.
It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.

Maximus69:
For your information, the Watchtower have been working round the clock to gather the subjects for that kingdom and JEHOVAH has blessed their effort. That's why we're now numbering over 8,500,000 peace loving worshipers from all the nations of this earth! Isaiah 2:1-4

Love never boast-nor brag-at Christ's coming He will ruin in Kingdom hall on earth to be with the 8,500,00 true loving worshippers "Jehovah Witnesses..

Maximus69:
Instead of repenting of your sins(blunders) for speaking against God's people, you're now saying "I am not into your petty argument"

Whereas you've been trying really hard, looking for proofs to curse and condemn the blessed organization of the most high God.

Well the Kingdom of God is coming, it will be established on this planet just as Jesus prayed, and God's will will take place on earth as the (born again Christians) are presently doing in heaven! {Matthew 6:10}
For your information, the Watchtower have been working round the clock to gather the subjects for that kingdom and JEHOVAH has blessed their effort. That's why we're now numbering over 8,500,000 peace loving worshipers from all the nations of this earth! Isaiah 2:1-4

Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 8:33pm On Oct 20, 2019

Maximus69:
Millions of Jewish zealots and Pharisees of the first century SAW all what Jesus did and even witnessed how his followers were gathering people from all the nations as one big happy family of peace loving worshipers with the support of God's holy spirit, yet just few of them became obedient to the faith! Act 6:7
What stopped so many of them from accepting the truth?

Hitler once said: to lead a country, you must disarm it first, he is right, people vote for Governments to run a country, people are like sheep looking for someone to Shepard them--a false prophet work on the same principles of a Government to gain leadership, ''look what happen while Moses was with God on the mount, the people voted for leadership' so they rebelled against God and made golden statues to lead them.
{Matthew 7:15} “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.
{Matthew 24:24} For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
{ Ezekiel 13 } Correct and sound doctrine is crucial to salvation and growth in spiritual maturity. It comes as no surprise that God warns us many times in Scripture to be aware of false teaching. Christians need to be able to recognize false teachers in order to know when they are being led down a path that God did not intend!

Maximus69:
Mr brocab, i was a Muslim and i don't think it's a crime if i'm one of those Jesus said will know that you're his disciples "if there is LOVE amongst Christians" Certainly there is no way anyone can SEE the LOVE in only one Christian without carefully examining how/what it's working amongst your folks! You just present the organization of true Christians so that i can SEE the same fruit in their midst, that's all! John 13:34-35

{Matthew 7:6} Do not give dogs what is holy; do not throw your pearls before swine. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.
This verse is pretty clear enough to know who's is in fellowship with you, it's simple to examine the scriptures to know who's spreading the true gospel.

Maximus69:
Millions of Jewish zealots and Pharisees of the first century SAW all what Jesus did and even witnessed how his followers were gathering people from all the nations as one big happy family of peace loving worshipers with the support of God's holy spirit, yet just few of them became obedient to the faith! Act 6:7

What stopped so many of them from accepting the truth?

They're stubbornly interpreting the Bible to fit their crooked minds, but God didn't leave them without proof. "THEY'RE EYEWITNESSES OF THE LOVE AND PEACE PERMEATING THE ASSOCIATION OF CHRISTIANS"

Mr brocab, i was a Muslim and i don't think it's a crime if i'm one of those Jesus said will know that you're his disciples "if there is LOVE amongst Christians"
Certainly there is no way anyone can SEE the LOVE in only one Christian without carefully examining how/what it's working amongst your folks!
You just present the organization of true Christians so that i can SEE the same fruit in their midst, that's all! John 13:34-35

Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 12:38pm On Oct 19, 2019*

I have kept my patients for you, I understand you are from another foundation, claiming to know Christ-but denying His power, I am not in argument with you, it's your choice to either believe and see what I see in the written Word of God-or in your case we just allow the blind to lead the blind.
Jesus and His Father are One-Just as Jesus prayed to the Father that we also become "one with them, as they are with us, so that the world may believe His gospel..
{John 17:20-21} I am not asking on behalf of them alone, but also on behalf of those who will believe in Me through their message, that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You. May they also be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me..

Maximus69:
Oga brocab, please present the organization of true Christians that are united as one body in line of thought. Period! John 17:20-23, Romans 15:5-6, 1Corinthians 1:10, Ephesians 4:3, Philippians 2:2

The Governing body of believers is simple "One must be born again before he can enter into the kingdom of God-now this is the truth-but if you disbelieve, then Christ does not ruin with you, nor does His Spirit teach you, and if Christ is not in you, Just like He is with His Father, then it wouldn't matter what you and your new comrades believe, because what you preach will never be the truth.

Maximus69:
Well, i can't evaluate your intellect but i'm sure other followers of this thread can notice what i've been saying in Jesus' statement.

I have tried to understand any knowledge you may think you have, I am having trouble believing you actually believe Christ ever existed, so I am sure anybody in their right minds who have read your pages is confused just as much as I am...

Maximus69:
You're a clown walahi Talahi!

I hope you've carefully studied and thoroughly meditated on those scriptures before typing what you just typed up there!

Well, i can't evaluate your intellect but i'm sure other followers of this thread can notice what i've been saying in Jesus' statement.

Oga brocab, please present the organization of true Christians that are united as one body in line of thought. Period! John 17:20-23, Romans 15:5-6, 1Corinthians 1:10, Ephesians 4:3, Philippians 2:2

Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 12:28pm On Oct 19, 2019

I am not into your petty arguments, if you believe the Watchtower is your kingdom, you are more then welcome to have it..

Maximus69:
Perhaps you don't know what kingdom means!

Well it means government as in politicians handling the affairs of this world! Daniel 2:44 compared to John 18:36

Jesus declined being a worldly ruler and so does his disciples! Matthew 4:8-10, Luke 4:5-8, John 6:15

He declined all political appointments because Satan is the overall ruler of this earth presently and anyone participating in any part is serving under Satan the devil! John 14:30 compared to 1John 5:19

For your information, that's why they're engaging in all forms of cultist activities because they need to sign a treaty with Satan in the spirit realms before he grants then permission to take part in his government! Luke 4:5-8

So you've misapplied that scripture because like the first century Christians, Jehovah's Witnesses don't participate in this world's politics at all!

Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 4:30pm On Oct 18, 2019

Jesus said: His kingdom is not of this world, sadly your kingdom is, this proves your organisation can only be worldly ...

Maximus69:
All these is STORY STORY STORY!

Let your light shine so that everyone can SEE is what Jesus said! Matthew 5:14-16

So my friend "ordinary mouth talks can't serve as the key to unlock people's hearts", the master key is the LOVE they see in the midst of those claiming worshipers of God!

Jesus preached for three and a half years using so many parables and performing the greatest miracles of all times, yet none of the religious scholars in Israel acknowledged him as Lord! John 7:46-50

But as soon as they can see the LOVE permeating the organization of first century Christians, many of those who actually opposed Jesus face to face when he was here in person embraced Christianity! Act 6:7

Well these were the same people who antagonised Jesus till his execution, so what now attracted them to become his followers after he's no more present physically? Jesus himself provided the answer "LOVE seen amongst his followers" John 17:34-35

Yes i was a Muslim and i believe in the God of LOVE and PEACE, there is no religious group on this planet that has succeeded in uniting all their members as one body except Jehovah's Witnesses. John 17:20-23

So before you can say anything against them, you must first present the organization of true Christians, please leave the remaining for honest hearted and sincere observers, just as Jesus presented the Christian congregation to the Jewish community and honest hearted ones amongst them SAW the light, let the world SEE THE FRUIT IN THE MIDST OF THOSE YOU PRESENT! James 2:18-26

Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 3:45pm On Oct 18, 2019*

Now I understand, you were once a Muslim, it would be like stepping into a time lab, in one darkness to another.
It's only because you already have your heart harden from the Truth about Christ-it wouldn't matter what the bible teaches, you wouldn't believe it anyway.

Maximus69:
I was a Muslim and i saw the light of truth amongst the Jehovah's Witnesses (true Christians) if you're Christians, your preaching will do the explanation of how the LOVE exist in your midst but first people need to see it with their own eyes just as i (a Muslim) saw it happening amongst Jehovah's Witnesses! Matthew 5:14-16

It must of been a dole light you seen, because I don't see the JW's having any light shinning in them at all.
Every time we write to you about the Word of God, it's usually a Muslim or the JW's always at war against us, trying to shoot us down, it's only because we see the bible clear to us, obviously it's way beyond your own understanding..
We have accepted the Word of God, meaning we have accepted the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit, these three are One, one body, one mind, and one soul.
{John 17:20-21} I am not asking on behalf of them alone, but also on behalf of those who will believe in Me through their message, that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You.
May they also be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me..
And if Christ is not in you, Just like He and His Father are in each other, then it wouldn't matter what you and your new comrades believe, because what you preach will never be the truth.

Maximus69:
Continue to deceive yourself, it was the Lord's teachings that brought Love together yet you're not ONE in thought just like the first century Christians!

You preach here and there yet the only organization globally recognized as one body in preaching and teaching zealously are Jehovah's Witnesses!

You thought your preaching will catch people without LOVE in the midst of those preaching!

Jesus said by the LOVE noticed amongst his followers people will know recognise them, God is LOVE and his son is God's photocopy of that LOVE, true Christians must be known as one body with that LOVE in their midst! John 17:14-23

I was a Muslim and i saw the light of truth amongst the Jehovah's Witnesses (true Christians) if you're Christians, your preaching will do the explanation of how the LOVE exist in your midst but first people need to see it with their own eyes just as i (a Muslim) saw it happening amongst Jehovah's Witnesses! Matthew 5:14-16

Sorry my friend, Satan has blurred your spiritual vision completely and you keep deceiving yourself all because you don't want to succumb to the LOVE (Jesus who is the image of the God of LOVE) everyone can see with their third eye amongst Jehovah's Witnesses! 2Corinthians 4:4

Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 10:28pm On Oct 17, 2019*

It was the Lord's teachings that brought Love together, we can't find true Love without Him, we are like the Bereans, noble minded, because we all study the scriptures daily..Testing everybody, everything, who claim to know Christ and preaches some what sermon on this forum. at home, on the street, on Television or on the pulpit.
{2 Peter 1:19-21} ''And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation,
For prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

Maximus69:
There were many who accepted Christianity in the first century, the scriptures said "the Bereans were more noble minded" yet all those who didn't scrutinize the teachings of Jesus' Apostles were also acknowledged as TRUE Christians.

Jesus said "you will be my witnesses" it's the LOVE the people saw permeating the association of Jesus' witnesses that attracted them to Christianity NOT the scrutiny of their teachings! John 13:34-35

Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 12:44am On Oct 17, 2019

Maximus69:
Those who became Christians were eyewitness of the benefits of Christianity. All those who accepted Christianity back then became one family under the teachings of the Apostles! Act 2:42

It wasn't actually the teachings of the Apostles that brought people together, the Spirit of God working through the Apostles brought people together, the Apostles were tools for Christ' to spread His gospel.

Maximus69:
You've disqualified your own analogy Sir!
Because the scriptures mentioned many cities where believers were found, NOT only in Berea!
Paul wrote so many letters to Christians in most cities of his time, he didn't directly write any to Bereans. So why is it that others did not scrutinize the teachings of Paul?

Obviously you are having some what trouble understanding the Word of God, listen while you read this verse:
{Acts 17:11} Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.
The Berean were people who knew the scriptures, they tested everything 'Paul preached: this is what we should be doing, to be like the Bereans, testing everything, that is taught to us, ''lining it up with the Word of God, because many false prophets have gone out unto the world, deceiving many, it isn't rude to test our elders, our Pastor's Priest, Preachers, we need to be like the Bereans, studying the scriptures, learn the scriptures, making sure we stay on the right path, making sure, we are walking on the narrow.

Maximus69:
You've disqualified your own analogy Sir!

Because the scriptures mentioned many cities where believers were found, NOT only in Berea!

Paul wrote so many letters to Christians in most cities of his time, he didn't directly write any to Bereans.

So why is it that others did not scrutinize the teachings of Paul?

Well the scriptures said there is nothing giving him honour and glory if those who claims to be worshiping him aren't organized as one happy global family of peace loving worshipers! Isaiah 2'1-4
Those who became Christians were eyewitness of the benefits of Christianity. All those who accepted Christianity back then became one family under the teachings of the Apostles! Act 2:42

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