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Ubenedictus:
as usual you speak in ignorance.


the Catholic Church pursues ecumenism with other Christian churches in fulfilment of the word of God in John 17, because the aim of ecumenism is Christian unity as Jesus prayed.

with other religion, the Catholic Church does not pursue ecumenism but inter religious dialogue according to the word of scriptures that says "follow peace with all men". as Christians ecumenism meets people as brothers and sisters in Christ, inter religious dialogue on the other hand is to bring down misunderstanding and tensions that lead to violence..


ecumenism Is with Christians, inter religious dialogue is with other religions.


the Pope is not calling for a world religion, the Catholic Church does not pursue world religion, Hindu, Buddhist, Jew, Muslim and Christian are not one religion unless they convert. as usual your conspiracy theories are lying to you..

the Catholic Church does not accept gods we only believe in one God father, son and spirit, the blessed Trinity.


your conspiracy theorists are cheap liars,

lastly the Catholic Church does not preach prosperity gospel, and indulgence isn't about paying money, it is about doing good, today no one pays a dime for indulgence.

Ubenedictus:
actually true Christian unity is full unity both of faith and ecclesia unity, Jesus prayed that Christians may be one as Jesus and the father are one... that is full unity



1 Corinthians 1:10
10 I appeal to you, brothers and sisters, in
the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of
you agree with one another in what you say and
that there be no divisions among you, but that
you be perfectly united in mind and thought.



John 17:23

23 I in them and you in me—so that they may
be brought to complete unity. Then the world will
know that you sent me and have loved them
even as you have loved me.


complete unity, not partial.

Ubenedictus:
secondly Palmer didn't believe in all Christians under the same authority,
he believed in working together and seeing each other as brothers that is the ecumenism he was preaching.

Ubenedictus:
you lied as usual that he was a Catholic priest sent by the Pope to deceive Copeland into the Catholic Church, whereas he is a Protestant who believes in ecumenism so Christians may walk together. Palmer is an ecumenist.


secondly Palmer didn't believe in all Christians under the same authority, he believed in working together and seeing each other as brothers that is the ecumenism he was preaching.

as per the Christian faith Catholic is that teaching and Church established by Jesus for the salvation of whole world it isn't pagan and doesn't worship false gods.


feel free to continue your tantrums but remember the words, prayer and wish of Jesus.

John Chapter 17
Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also
which shall believe on me through their word;
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art]
in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in
us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent
me.
And the glory which thou gavest me I have given
them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
I in them, and thou in me, that they may be
made perfect in one; and that the world may know
that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as
thou hast loved me.

Ubenedictus:
it is the devil who try to keep Christians divided, do you work for him?

Ubenedictus:
your usual rant and insult, throwing tantrums like a child.


Now your ignorance has been cleared, the speaker is Tony Palmer an Anglican and a friend with Kenneth Copeland, he is also involved in world ecumenism has known Pope Francis before, he had earlier visited the Vatican and asked pope Francis to address the conference, the message he preach is actually his own teaching, he wasn't sent by the pope as a representative.

all churches should unite, that is clearly biblical and the Catholic Church is committed the the unity of all Christians, that is call ecumenism, we do not do one world religion... that is totally different.


John Chapter 17
Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also
which shall believe on me through their word;
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art]
in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in
us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent
me.
And the glory which thou gavest me I have given
them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
I in them, and thou in me, that they may be
made perfect in one; and that the world may know
that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as
thou hast loved me.



it is the devil who try to keep Christians divided, do you work for him?

Ubenedictus:
as usual you are quick to criticise and slow to learn.


the speaker in that video is NOT A CATHOLIC PRIEST, that is an Anglican belonging to the charismatic movemrntin an Evangelical event

Ubenedictus:
you and your conspiracy theories, that is a nativity scene, it isn't pagan. just like your idea of one world religion is another conspiracy theory.

Ubenedictus:
you still can't provide a single quote for the Pope where he advocate for one world religion?

is it not time to drop these silly conspiracy theories?

Ubenedictus:
you were the one who set the topic by quoting the Catholic catechism on faith, now suddenly you are ignorant of what we were talking about

not just the pope and I who believe in apostolic tradition, even the apostle Paul and the Bible tells us to believe in apostolic tradition.

2 thess 2:15

So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the
traditions that you were taught by us, either by our
spoken word or by our letter.

Ubenedictus:
the video is talking about an ancient shrine called the pantheon in Rome built by the emperors for all the gods.

when the Christian Church converted Rome, the pagans gave up their shrines and the Church removed all the worthless idols from the place, cleaned up the place and dedicated it to the only God in remembrance of all who lived for Jesus Christ.

there is nothing wrong with that, some people just like to paint good things as evil

Ubenedictus:
there is no paganism in the Vatican, the same way Catholics worship is the same way the early Church worshipped, the early Church was Catholic

Ubenedictus:
then you are again misinformed, Catholics tend to practice prima scriptura, every day at mass it is scriptures, even when we pray we pray scriptures, we study scriptures and love it.
there is no paganism in the Vatican, the same way Catholics worship is the same way the early Church worshipped, the early Church was Catholic

Ubenedictus:
why do you find it hard to stick on topic, the issue is about faith,

Ubenedictus:
Amen, the HOLY spirit was sent to the Church to lead her to the truth and he still continue to teach through the Church today.

Ubenedictus:
a household may be baptised based on the faith of its head, the prisoner in acts and the several households baptised are examples

Amen, the HOLY spirit was sent to the Church to lead her to the truth and he still continue to teach through the Church today.

why do you find it hard to stick on topic, the issue is about faith, when you want to discuss the Communion of saint or the Church or intercession quote the relevant part of the catechism and then critique it.

Ubenedictus:
I think you should be asking your pastors these questions, they are the ones who broke up the Church to form businesses because of gain and fame.

Ubenedictus:
I don't know anyone who calls for a one world religion.

Ubenedictus:
criminals are people who commit crime(s), the Church didn't burn Christians, the state condemned unrepentant heretics who were bent on spreading their errors, heresy was a capital crime.

I don't know anyone who calls for a one world religion.

Ubenedictus:
so you don't know the Church of Antioch was part of the Catholic Church and a part of the Church later fell into schism in 1054-1400, the melkites of the Church of Antioch are still part of the Catholic Church even till today. they are melkite Catholics.

Christianity began in Jerusalem not Rome, they were first called Christian in Antioch and Rome became the preeminent see since it is the Church of the apostle Peter and Paul. the patriarch of Antioch always had Communion with the bishops of Rome even till today the melkites are still in communion with Rome.


lastly, have you ever attended the "service" of the Antiochene Church? they are 96% similar to Catholic Church in both worship and doctrine. and even there bishops will tell you that before they entered schism, the Catholic pope had the highest honor among the bishops and they were all in Communion with Rome.

Ubenedictus:
then you are ignorant of what Catholics teach, because we too speak in tongues are filled with the holy spirit, we are born again, delivered from sin through Christ. teach Holiness and have an intimate relationship with God.

added to this we are the original Church formed by the apostles we compiled the new testament you are using and have witness to the gospel for 2000 years Pentecostalism began in the 1990 less than 100 years ago, Protestantism began in the 1600 about 500 years ago. both Pentecostal and Protestant churches were formed by men, the Catholic Church was formed by Jesus and his apostles.

Ubenedictus:
the death penalty is a punishment of last resort, when there is no other way to stop a criminal. but in Europe and America today there exist more humane ways to stop a criminal than death and in these places the church advocate an end to the death penalty as inhumane. this wasn't invented by Francis both pope Benedict and John Paul said the same. death penalty should not be used when other opt

Ubenedictus:
THE LANGUAGE OF FAITH
20). 183 Faith is necessary for salvation. The Lord himself affirms: "He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned" (Mk 16:16).

Ubenedictus:
57 As a mother who teaches her children to speak and so to understand and communicate, the Church our Mother teaches us the language of faith in order to introduce us to the understanding and the life of faith.

Ubenedictus:
181 "Believing" is an ecclesial act. The Church's faith precedes, engenders, supports and nourishes our faith. The Church is the mother of all believers. "No one can have God as Father who does not have the Church as Mother" (St. Cyprian, De unit . 6: PL 4, 519).

Ubenedictus:
THE LANGUAGE OF FAITH
170 We do not believe in formulas, but in those realities
they express, which faith allows us to touch. "The
believer's act [of faith] does not terminate in the
propositions, but in the realities [which they express]." 56
All the same, we do approach these realities with the
help of formulations of the faith which permit us to
express the faith and to hand it on, to celebrate it in
community, to assimilate and live on it more and more.
171 The Church, "the pillar and bulwark of the truth",
faithfully guards "the faith which was once for all
delivered to the saints". She guards the memory of
Christ's words; it is she who from generation to
generation hands on the apostles' confession of faith.57
As a mother who teaches her children to speak and so
to understand and communicate, the Church our Mother
teaches us the language of faith in order to introduce us
to the understanding and the life of faith.
III. ONLY ONE FAITH
172 Through the centuries, in so many languages,
cultures, peoples and nations, the Church has constantly
confessed this one faith, received from the one Lord,
transmitted by one Baptism, and grounded in the
conviction that all people have only one God and
Father. 58 St. Irenaeus of Lyons, a witness of this faith,
declared:
173 "Indeed, the Church, though scattered throughout
the whole world, even to the ends of the earth, having
received the faith from the apostles and their
disciples. . . guards [this preaching and faith] with care,
as dwelling in but a single house, and similarly believes
as if having but one soul and a single heart, and
preaches, teaches and hands on this faith with a
unanimous voice, as if possessing only one mouth." 59
174 "For though languages differ throughout the world,
the content of the Tradition is one and the same. The
Churches established in Germany have no other faith or
Tradition, nor do those of the Iberians, nor those of the
Celts, nor those of the East, of Egypt, of Libya, nor those
established at the center of the world. . ." 60 The
Church's message "is true and solid, in which one and
the same way of salvation appears throughout the whole
world." 61
175 "We guard with care the faith that we have received
from the Church, for without ceasing, under the action
of God's Spirit, this deposit of great price, as if in an
excellent vessel, is constantly being renewed and causes
the very vessel that contains it to be renewed." 62
IN BRIEF
176 Faith is a personal adherence of the whole man to
God who reveals himself. It involves an assent of the
intellect and will to the self-revelation God has made
through his deeds and words.
177 "To believe" has thus a twofold reference: to the
person, and to the truth: to the truth, by trust in the
person who bears witness to it.
178 We must believe in no one but God: the Father, the
Son and the Holy Spirit.
179 Faith is a supernatural gift from God. In order to
believe, man needs the interior helps of the Holy Spirit.
180 "Believing" is a human act, conscious and free,
corresponding to the dignity of the human person.
181 "Believing" is an ecclesial act. The Church's faith
precedes, engenders, supports and nourishes our faith.
The Church is the mother of all believers. "No one can
have God as Father who does not have the Church as
Mother" (St. Cyprian, De unit . 6: PL 4, 519).
182 We believe all "that which is contained in the word
of God, written or handed down, and which the Church
proposes for belief as divinely revealed" (Paul VI, CPG §
20).
183 Faith is necessary for salvation. The Lord himself
affirms: "He who believes and is baptized will be saved;
but he who does not believe will be condemned" (Mk
16:16).
184 "Faith is a foretaste of the knowledge that will make
us blessed in the life to come" (St. Thomas Aquinas.
Comp. theol. 1, 2).

feedthenation:
I saw the video link from 2008 and I'm not surprised with the level of deception going on within the pentecostal churches.
It was about the ordination of Apostle Fredrick K.C. Price. What is being done in the video, is it biblical?

feedthenation:
I saw the video link from 2008 and I'm not surprised with the level of deception going on within the pentecostal churches.

It was about the ordination of Apostle Fredrick K.C. Price. What is being done in the video, is it biblical?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnwtxWLa5oo#t=61

Yale9:
Some people ehn... well, every great entity will face what it will face in the hands of ......... people.

Ubenedictus:
you have the internet you can browse about Orthodox monks fighting in Jerusalem over sites.

the site is in the care of the Orthodox Church, Catholics can't take it over, it took 12 yrs for the Orthodox Church to even allow the Church of the holy sepulchre to be painted and that Church is jointly managed not to talk of here where they have sole custody.

the Orthodox Church can repair the Church, they have sole custody

Ubenedictus:
but the simple issue is that the Church falls under the immediate control of the Orthodox Church, they have sole, autonomous control, in fact the Orthodox Church in Jerusalem is sometimes violent when it comes to their sites, during the time of the previous patriarch of Jerusalem, the Orthodox monks used to gang up and attack the Catholic monks and beat them up.
any thing like such help will result in violence from the Orthodox.... so we stay clear of stuff that isn't in our care.

Ubenedictus:
this is not the place where the holy spirit descended on the apostles. the holy spirit descended in the upper room, the upper room is in the care of the Catholic Franciscans.

this is simply the meeting place like a catacomb of the Church in Jerusalem, this was where they met during persecution, this is where they baptised new Christian, celebrated the Eucharist etc. you can see the ancient Christian symbols there as you'll find in Catholic churches.

but the simple issue is that the Church falls under the immediate control of the Orthodox Church, they have sole, autonomous control, in fact the Orthodox Church in Jerusalem is sometimes violent when it comes to their sites, during the time of the previous patriarch of Jerusalem, the Orthodox monks used to gang up and attack the Catholic monks and beat them up.


any thing like such help will result in violence from the Orthodox.... so we stay clear of stuff that isn't in our care.

Ubenedictus:
if you bothered to watched you would have noticed that the place is under the administration of the Greek Orthodox Church.... what do you want the Vatican to do, pursue them and take over? be sensible