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 Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:45am On Oct 21, 2018*. Modified: 2:16am On Oct 21, 2018 |
When we need something from God we go straight to our bibles to receive our knowledge. That's what normally happens. It happens more with those who actually believe the Word of God is all truth, and nothing but the truth. When I search the scriptures, I like to see-how the scriptures are written even if it means, I read from different bibles. So before you come at anybody with your disbelief's, check your bible first.. In word the JW's agree that Jesus is God coming back-but verbally they disagree? Obviously the Watchtower made a terrible mistake-because the Watchtower scholars had agreed 'and of course they believed, God became man in the flesh? NWT bible {Revelation 1:8, Revelation 22:20} I am the Alpha and the Omega Says Jehovah" God' the One who is, and who was, and who is coming, the Almighty"..and then in Verse 22-20 The one bears witness of these things say's, "Yes. I am coming quickly."' "Amen! Come, Lord Jesus... NWT bible {1 John 5:20} But we know that the Son of God has come, and He has given us insight" so that we may gain the knowledge of the One who is true. And we are in union with the One who is true, by means of His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting! OneJ: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 9:00am On Oct 20, 2018*. Modified: 9:25am On Oct 20, 2018 |
Start with reading a bible? It's pretty simple to work things out-if you had accepted Christ in the first place-but because of your refusal-than all you have left is the watchtower, not much to argue about.. The NWT bible agrees that Jesus is God-but verbally-you can't accept it, so if your can't accept the truth from your bible-then this argument isn't worth bible time. {John 19:30} “It is finished!” And He bowed His head and gave up His spirit. Jesus’ body, not His spirit, died and was buried later in the tomb of Joseph of Arimathea {John 19:38-42} It was His body the spear entered into His side. It was His hands and feet that were nailed to the cross. It was His back that was raw from the Roman's whip. His head wore the thorns, It was His body that died-not His spirit. God is spirit! The scripture reveals that we have a body and a spirit. It tells us that our bodies are dead without a spirit. Crysthaniel: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 5:04pm On Oct 13, 2018*. Modified: 12:10am On Oct 14, 2018 |
Many taught from the pulpit think believers in Christ should tithe, defined as giving 10 percent of one’s income. Others that read their bibles are equally convinced tithing is not required for believers, and of course this certainly isn’t a matter over which believers should break fellowship. Love is far more important than our view on tithing. {1 Corinthians 13} And still, I would argue tithing isn’t required or even encouraged for believers in Jesus Christ. Tithing was deafeningly Old Testament-it was never required in the New Testament for Christians. What does the Old Testament say about tithing? Abraham gave a tenth of his spoils of war to Melchizedek {Gen. 14:20 and Hebrews appeals to this account to support the superiority of Melchizedek’s priesthood over Levi’s {Hebrews. 7:4–10} God met Jacob at Bethel and promised him covenant blessings; the patriarch promised God a tenth of everything granted him {Gen. 28:22} A tenth of Israel’s seed, fruit, and flocks were given to the Lord {Lev. 27:30–32; Deut. 14:22–24; cf. 2 Chron. 31:5–6; Neh. 13:5, 12} The people gave a tenth to the Levites to support them {Num. 18:21–24; cf. Neh. 10:38; 12:44} and the Levites, in turn, were to give a tenth to the chief priest {Num. 18:25–28} Those who didn’t tithe were threatened with a curse, while those who did tithe were promised blessing {Mal. 3:8–10} Though we might assume Old Testament Israel gave a total of 10 percent, it’s actually difficult to discern how much was given. We can’t linger over details in this short article, but some think the Israelites gave 14 tithes over seven years; others believe they gave 12. Regardless, when we add the required tithes together, the amount certainly exceeded 10 percent. In fact, the number was probably somewhere around 20 percent per year. We will always argue with money hungry Christians why tithing is not required today-There are seven decisive good reasons for saying Christians are not required to tithe. 1. Believers are no longer under the Mosaic covenant {Romoms 6:14–15; 7:5–6; Galatians 3:15–4:7; 2 Corinthians 3:4–18} The commands stipulated in the Mosaic covenant are no longer in force for believers. Some appeal to the division between the civil, ceremonial, and moral law to support tithing. Yet these divisions, I would observe, are not the basis Paul uses when addressing how the law applies to us today. And even if we use these distinctions, tithing is clearly not part of the moral law. It’s true the moral norms of the Old Testament are still in force today, and we discern them from the law of Christ in the New Testament, but tithing is not among these commands. 2. The examples of Abraham and Jacob are not normative patterns. Some think tithing is required because both Abraham and Jacob gave a tenth, and they both lived before the Mosaic covenant was in place. Such examples hardly prove tithing is for all time, however. Abraham’s gift to Melchizedek was a one-time event; there is no evidence he regularly gave God a tenth. Jacob’s giving of a tenth signified his gratefulness to God for promising to be with him and to protect him. His gratefulness and generosity still speak to us today, but a historical description of what Jacob gave doesn’t support the idea that all believers must give God a tenth of their income. 3. Tithes were given to the Levites and priests, but there are no Levites and priests in the new covenant. Levites and priests were tied to the sacrificial system of the old covenant. Now all believers are priests {1 Peter 2:9; Revelation. 1:6; 5:10; 20:6} with Jesus as our Melchizedekian high priest {Hebrews 7} 4. The tithe is tied to the land Israel received under the old covenant. Israel was supposed to celebrate a tithe every three years in Jerusalem. But that requirement cannot apply to Christians today. It related to the Jews as a nation—to Jews who lived in the land of promise. With the coming of Christ, the Jewish nation is no longer the locus of God’s people, though individual Jews are part of the church through faith in Jesus. The earthly Jerusalem is no longer central in God’s purposes {Galatians 4:25} Believers are part of the heavenly Jerusalem {Galatians 4:26} and look forward to the city to come {Hebrews 11:10} to the new heavens and new earth {Revelation 21:1–22:5}Abraham isn’t heir of the land of Israel, but of the whole world {Romans 4:13} 5. If tithing is required today, how much should we give? As noted above, the number was certainly more than 10 percent and closer to 20 percent. Those who advocate tithing should probably settle on 20 percent. 6. When Jesus affirmed the tithe, it was before the dawn of the new covenant. Some defend tithing by saying Jesus praised tithing, even if he said it was less important than other things {Matthew 23:23; Luke 11:42} This argument appears strong, but it’s not persuasive. Jesus also mentioned offering sacrifices in the temple, {Matthew 5:23–24} but Christians don’t think—even if the temple were rebuilt—that we should do that. Our Lord’s words are understandable when we think about his location in redemptive history. Jesus spoke about sacrifices and tithing before the cross and resurrection, before the dawn of the new covenant. He used tithing and sacrifices as illustrations when addressing his contemporaries. He kept the law since He was “born under the law” {Galatians 4:4} But we can no more take his words as a commendation for tithing today than we can his words about offering sacrifices. 7. Nowhere is tithing mentioned when commands to give generously are found in the New Testament. When Christians are instructed to give to the poor, they aren’t commanded to give “the poor tithe.” Instead, they are instructed to be generous in helping those in need {Acts 2:43–47; 4:32–37; 11:27–30; Galatians 2:10; 1 Corinthians 16:1–4; 2 Corinthians 8:1–9:15} For example, {1 Corinthians 16:1–4}a passage often cited in popular circles in support—doesn’t mention tithing; it relates to a one-time gift for poor saints in Jerusalem. Give Generously-Even though tithing isn’t required today, it does not follow that believers should hoard their possessions. We are commanded to support those who preach the gospel {Matthew 10:10; Luke 10:7; 1 Corinthians 9:6–14; 1 Timothy 5:17–18} And while we should enjoy the good things God gives us, we are also called to be generous to those in need {1 Timothy 6:17–19; 2 Corinthians 8–9} Wealth can so easily become an idol, leading us to abandon the Lord. Since God is to be our treasure, believers are to give generously and freely. For many in the West, this will mean giving more than 10 percent. Still, Scripture doesn’t command Christians to give a tenth—and Scripture, not tradition, is our only rule and authority. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 12:56am On Oct 12, 2018*. Modified: 2:58am On Oct 16, 2018 |
But he can't-no tither can, but he is determent about his beliefs-more then I could say about every other tither that had been on here, they vanish away after a short time. It's usually the Pastor that reads their bible from the pulpit, not all tithers have that ability to even know what truth is! without proper teaching, some never change-pride comes before the fall, through prayer, these walls do come down-suddenly things about tithing usually change, they start realising the truth-for the first time' they are actually reading the Word of God, like they had never seen it written before. 'Many of us were taught that tithing belongs to God, I never liked tithing-it never felt right to tithe-I kept on asking God about tithing-some years later the truth was revealed, my heart was filled with joy-I repented and I returned myself back to God, tithing was always a lie from the beginning, it causes disputes and arguments, evil suspicion against the body of Christ. It all begins with bible schools, new Pastors are taught to teach unbibical doctrines, with different denominations these bible schools offer health and wealth in the Church, to be honest, it is common sense why Christians would turn from the truth-they want 'what the Church wants. "Money. I could remember the day's when I saw people carrying their bibles in Church, these day's it's changed-the Church had become lazy, Christians don't carry their bibles anymore, let alone reading one, the day's have passed away-is there no-one left testing the Word of God: is there no challenge, it is like the salt had lost it's flavour for Christ.{ Matthew 5:13-14} It would be difficult to become a born again Christian in these last day's, who is there to teach them 'if not the Holy Spirit-'next question? "The world had become busy, People never seem to have enough time to read their bibles anymore-I am finding it hard to find just one person to share the Word of God with? Christians have become really lazy when it comes to the Word of God-it is easier to obey Church rules and regulations, sing a few songs and listen to the Pastor telling them they are going to heaven! I pray they do go to heaven, but I also pray they pick up their bibles ask the Lord to set them free. The other day I studied Revelation about the two witnesses and the two olive trees-and It was just the other day I wanted to share my findings with other Christians, I manage to find a worship leader in Church, I thought he would know his bible-but he told me-he didn't know about these two witnesses, and he didn't want me to continual with it either? So I decided to take my findings a little further, and I manage to speak with a Christian lady-behold before I knew it, she was confused, just as much as I was confused after I heard her reply-she returned her answer with the Antichrist, she believes Satan won't be the end time Antichrist, but the world will be Antichrist on return. "to be honest I wasn't sure about her reply, and I didn't really want to ask her' what she see's? Kind of sad isn't it, Churches are loosing it's flavour in Christ, people don't seem to be interested any more, they claim they want Jesus, but they are not willing to spend time seeking Him, be like the Berean's in Paul's day {Acts 17:11} [color=#000099]Test everything-test the spirit, but test them all; hold on to what is good. {1 Thessalonians 5:21} OkaiCorne: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Can Some One Point Out Who These Two Witnesses Are In The Last Day's. by brocab(op): 6:00pm On Oct 11, 2018*. Modified: 3:10am On Oct 14, 2018 |
The other night-I was asked to join a prayer meeting at a Church building-it was good in one way, but the other way-I am seeing more and more Christians actually refusing to read the Word of God. While I was at the meeting, I manage to share a study I had been studying about the two witnesses, the two Olive trees, which I found quite interesting-some believe in the end day's Moses and Elijah, or Elijah and Enoch will return-as the two witnesses, I believe the wild olive tree, and the olive tree are two groups of people being grafted into the one vine. But anyway I wanted to share my findings with somebody I know, I was to believe he had knowledge of God nearly all his life, but strangely after sharing my findings, he had never read about the two witnesses-and he didn't know about the two olive trees? "so I managed to share my findings with a lady friend-hoping she would know-behold-she had no idea about anything I said about the two witnesses; she confused me-just as she was, she returned her answer back with a Antichrist story, she believes Satan won't be the end time Antichrist, but the world will be Antichrist on return. To be honest I wasn't sure about her reply, and I didn't really want to ask her, how she see's the scriptures in genial? I am seeing this more and more around Christians, no-one seems to have the flavour for Christ anymore-it's like they have lost their first love, 'they either knew Christ, or they never knew Christ in the first place. I am sure we all have been down this track sometime in life-not knowing Christ-I can understand if someone backslides a little and turning themselves away from God, but to ask somebody still worshipping God-singing and praising God-doesn't make sense-how do we praise and worship, an unknowing God? Had anybody heard of Strongholds-strongholds can be like carrying a heavy load, and sometimes it's hard to shake it off, especially without prayer-well I see strongholds coming down from the pulpit-if the Pastor isn't leading the Church-teaching the Word of God, then his reactions will reflect back to the Church. The point I am making here-we need to recognise-the fruit, strongholds can cause problems within the body of Christ-it can cause laziness, and laziness causes people to back slide-I find there are more backsliders in Church then we find outside Church-Yes they do all the right things-they worship, sing the right songs, look like Christians, show a little interest-but underneath it all, Jesus doesn't know them, nor do they know Jesus. I am sure we have felt ourselves drifting away from Christ at times, in most cases I find when I am not reading the Word of God, I feel I am drifting from Christ, it's a common fact-without seeking we seem to drift back into the world, we need encouragement from believers, we all need support from others standing behind us-we need the truth at all times-we need other Christians loving God-we need Christians to rely on God in everything. It's hard these day's to find anybody-willing to study the Word of God-Churches are full of people-1 out of 10 know the lord-9 knows about Church tradition 'rules and regulations. "He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition. {Mark 7:9} We war against the principalities and powers of this world every time we seek God, I share my Godly experiences with other Christians, which puzzles me, that most Christians have never experienced a super natural encounter in the spirit, they don't recognise the principalities, nor do they experience the unknowing forces around them. Even thru I find most Christians were born into Christian families, I found their denial of Christ is high-many Christians had never heard from God, I tell them about my dreams-how I have seen the unseen, I tell them God usually speaks to me through my dreams giving me scriptures, I tell them how I have heard the unseen steal doors in the spirit closing behind me, and why they had closed behind me, God's healing me, I said: God already knows our needs, if we were to seek after God-He will give us these needs, some Christians can't accept God heals today as well as He healed back then, some say they hear about stuff-but they refuse to believe it until they see it happening before their eye's, God heals sickness through prayer-God raises the dead, even today. Traditional Churches are to be strongholds, I found many Church goer's were baptised as a Child, they never felt to be baptised in Christ at a later date, they believe Jesus exist- they watch out for those they think that needs Christ, but never made the right decision themselves. I find many of them never read their bibles, because through tradition bible reading always came from the pulpit, Latin speaking, they never had fellowship with Jesus-they don't know Jesus-let alone witness about Jesus, sadly Pastors don't seem to rely on God, as long as tradition rules and regulations are in place, the rich will always support them. It doesn't matter where any of us fellowship-no-one cares if the Word of God is preached or not-new Pastors come and go, different denominations teach the same message, they use the same methods, the same lines, and twist the same bible verses for their financial gain. If we can't see it coming-then we won't recognise it-because There's no earthly money crabbing church found for this little black duck.. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 3:02am On Oct 11, 2018 |
I will give 1mage123 a little credit, he does stand fern with his beliefs, 1mage 123, is from another land in the past-the future today states not of Israel-not a Gentile-and not a Christian! Everybody knows if a Jew believes in Christ, he/she is no longer a Jew 'but a Christian. But if a Christian does tithe, than he/she is no-longer a Christian, but a Old Testament Jew.. The truth is-we all need to go back to the Word of God-if tithing is never for the Christians, then it is best not to disobey the Word of God. "But if someone wanted to tithe then it's simple, he/she is deafeningly not practicing to be Christian, "but a Jew! OkaiCorne: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Can Some One Point Out Who These Two Witnesses Are In The Last Day's. by brocab(op): 1:24am On Oct 11, 2018*. Modified: 2:08am On Oct 11, 2018 |
While I was studying-I had found this page quite interesting about THE TWO WITNESSES: I had always wondered who they were, and where they came from-but after studying this, it makes a lot of sense-who are these two witnesses-both Jew and Gentile-both Churches are already here-witnessing for Christ! In the book of {Revelation 11:3} these words, “And I will give power unto my TWO WITNESSES, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.” I was always taught that the two witnesses were either two of the following three people depending upon who's book I was reading. Some would say that the two witnesses were Moses and Elijah, and others have said the two witnesses were Enoch and Elijah. Well for me I was not content in what others were saying that these two witnesses MIGHT be, so I asked the Lord who these two witnesses were and he told me to read this WHOLE passage of scripture again. So I read all of chapter 11 again, but I did not see what the Lord wanted to show me, so he told me to read it again. So I read it again. Finally, I told the Lord that I just was not getting or understanding what he was trying to show me, then he spoke to my heart and said: “Do not think of my two witnesses as two people, but rather think of the two witnesses as two groups of people.” So I read this passage again and began to see clues in the other verses as to who these two witnesses are. The next verse, verse 4 in {Revelation 11:4} reads,“These (speaking of the two witnesses) ARE the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.” And I began to think, “WHAT TWO OLIVE TREES”? This is how the Holy Spirit teaches us the word of God at times. As we ask questions, read the word of God, and meditate and think upon what we read, then we receive insight or revelation as to what these verses truly mean in light of the WHOLE word of God. Now when these words, “the TWO OLIVE trees”, popped out, or off the page, so to speak, the Holy Spirit brought to my remembrance of what I had read about Israel being the natural olive tree and how we as Gentiles who became Christians were considered or called a wild olive tree being grafted into the natural olive tree, which represented Israel. A Christian does not become a Jew, but rather we are grafted into God's people Israel to become a people of God. In other words, we become a WITNESS to the one true God, where before the cross the only people of God were the Jews or Israel. Well, I could not remember what book of the Bible that I read about these TWO olive trees, so I picked up my Strong's Exhaustive Concordance and looked up the word “olive” searching for the phrase “olive tree”. Today with computers you can now type phrases, but back then there were no personal computers. Kind of giving away my age. Anyway, here is what I found. The word “olive” is found 38 times in the King James Version of the Bible, so I scanned down the list of verses where the word olive was found looking for the word “tree” and I found 20 references with the phrase “olive tree”. I was quite astounded that there were so many references to olive trees, and I myself had only remembered one such reference, so I began to look up each and every reference to see what these olive trees were. Now I want YOU, the reader to remember to think or view the two witnesses which ARE the two olive trees as being two GROUPS of people rather than just two individual people as we were previously taught. Sometimes we have to UNLEARN some things that we have come to believe as the truth before we can, in fact, come to the knowledge of THE TRUTH of the WHOLE word of God. Now open your Bible to {Romans 11:17-25} By the way, this is the ONE passage that came to my mind when I saw that the two witness ARE the TWO OLIVE TREES. {Romans 11:17-25} “And if some of the branches be broken off, and YOU, being a WILD OLIVE TREE, and were grafted in among them, and with them are partakers of the root and fatness of THE OLIVE TREE: 18. Boast not against the branches. But if you boast, you bear not the root, but the root you. 19. You will say then, The branches were broken off, that I may be grafted in. 20. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Be not high-minded, but fear: 21. For if God spared not the NATURAL BRANCHES, take heed that he spare not you. 22. Behold therefore the goodness and the severity of God: on which them which fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, IF you CONTINUE in his goodness: otherwise you also shall be cut off. 23. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in; for God is able to graft them in again. 24. For if it were cut out of the OLIVE TREE which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a good OLIVE TREE; how much more shall these, which be the natural branches be grafted into their own OLIVE TREE? 25. For I would not, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to ISRAEL, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.” I want you to see from this passage of scripture what the Lord showed to me through the Holy Spirit, and that being, that the TWO OLIVE trees, which ARE the TWO WITNESSES, are in fact two GROUPS of people rather than just two individual people as we were previously and falsely taught. God's people Israel are their OWN olive tree called the natural olive tree. So the Jews are ONE witness. And the Gentile people are called the wild olive tree, but not all Gentiles are WITNESSES of God. So more precisely the other WITNESS of God is the Gentiles who are believers in Jesus Christ. Please keep in mind that those who taught us wrongly did not KNOW that they were wrong, but only taught what they themselves came to believe. I am sure that they taught to us what they sincerely believed to be the truth, so do not stop considering them to be our brothers and sisters in Christ. But please be as the men of Berea, spoken of in the book of {Acts 17:11} that searched the scriptures daily to see if what they were being taught was, in fact, the TRUTH based upon the WHOLE word of God. Now before the pre-tribulation rapture teaching came along I am not sure that if even anyone ever gave it a second thought as to who the two witnesses are. But when the question was asked by POST tribulation believers as to WHO would teach the gospel IF the church was not on the earth during the great tribulation. This is when Christians began speculating and writing books as to who were the two witnesses in Revelation chapter 11. But AFTER I saw the truth of the POST tribulation rapture I began to wonder WHY God would send down from heaven two witnesses to preach the gospel when that job was given to the CHURCH? I am getting ahead of myself so let me just say again that the two witnesses ARE the TWO OLIVE TREES and not two individual people that God will send down from heaven during the time of great tribulation. So again, the TWO GROUPS of people who are the ONLY TWO WITNESSES in all the earth who stand for the only true and wise God ARE number 1, the true believers in Christ Jesus, the Son of God, otherwise known as Christians or formally known as the WILD OLIVE TREE; and number 2, the other witness standing before the one true God is ISRAEL, which is the NATURAL OLIVE TREE. So you see we have TWO different GROUPS of people who stand for the God of the earth, and it is these TWO GROUPS who are the TWO WITNESSES spoken of in the book of Revelation. We see symbolic language showing these two GROUPS of people all through the book of Revelation and not only in chapter 11. Let me say this again. We can see these TWO GROUPS, the Jews, who believe in Almighty God the Father, and the Christians, those who believe in Jesus, the Son of God, as their savior all through the book of Revelation as well as the rest of the word of God. Take a look at {Revelation 20:4} which says“...and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the WITNESS of Jesus AND for the WORD of God.” Once you come to the knowledge of the truth that the two witnesses are the Jews and the Christians, then you will begin to see subtle references all through the word of God of these two different groups of people that stand for the God of the earth. Here in this verse, we see the Christians who have the WITNESS of Jesus, and the Jews who do not have the witness for Jesus but do have the WITNESS for the WORD of God, the Old Testament of the Bible. Turn to {Revelation 15:3} and read, “And THEY sang the song of Moses the servant of God AND the song of the Lamb.” I want you to notice TWO different songs that cannot be sung by any ONE individual group of people because they are victory songs sung by those who have been brought victory by the one whom the song is about. The children of Israel were brought to victory by Moses being delivered from Egypt through the Red Sea. So the remnant of Jews who will be saved alive to go into the Millennium in the mortal bodies will sing the song of Moses. And we as Christians are brought to victory through the blood of the Lamb. So the victorious Christians will sing the song of the Lamb. We each have our own song to sing. It will not be until the end of the 1000 year reign of Jesus that these TWO witnesses for the one true and only Almighty God will become ONE. Right now in this present world when a Jew becomes a Christian they are no longer a Jew in the eyes of God. And when a Gentile become a Christ we are no longer a Gentile. Those IN Jesus Christ are no longer male nor female, a Jew nor a Gentile, but rather all believers in Jesus ARE Christ's. And ONLY those of us who ARE in Jesus Christ at his coming will be given eternal life. The remnant of Jews will be saved ALIVE in their MORTAL bodies and go into the 1000 year reign of Jesus to be taught of the Lord. So again we can see two groups of people who are the only two WITNESSES for the God of all the earth. And these two witnesses are the children of Israel, the Jews, and the believers in Jesus, the Christians. Let's look at one more verse found in Revelation that I find interesting. Open your Bible to Revelation chapter 21 and read verses 12 through 14 that talks about the New Jerusalem, the city of God. {Revelation 21:12,14} “And had a great wall and high, and had TWELVE gates, and at the twelve gates twelve angels, and the NAMES of the TWELVE TRIBES of the children of ISRAEL... 14. And the wall of the city had TWELVE foundations, and in them the NAMES of the TWELVE APOSTLES of the LAMB.” The twelve foundations with the names of the twelve apostles obviously represent the church, or true believers in Christ Jesus, the Lamb of God. And the twelve gates with the names of the twelve tribes of Israel, in turn, signify the children of Israel, the Jews. So again the only two GROUPS of people who are WITNESSES for the one true God in all the earth are clearly named as being Israel and believers in the Lamb of God, which we all agree are Christians. The Christians I will refer to as SPIRITUAL Israel and the Jews I will refer to as NATURAL Israel. Both are Israel, in that, both groups are the only PEOPLE of God, but yet there are two groups of people from different backgrounds. Natural Jews are NOT saved. When a JEW accepts Jesus as their Messiah, then they are no longer considered to be a JEW, but rather they are called Christians. Well, if so be, that Moses is one of the two witnesses, then we have a CONTRADICTION with {Hebrews 9:27} because Moses has already DIED ONCE and the two witnesses will be killed so that would have Moses dying TWICE. That only leaves one possibility for the two witnesses to be just two individual people. And those two individual people would have to be Elijah and Enoch, who some Christians claim to have never died, but rather they ascended into heaven. {1 Thessalonians 4:14-17} 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Footnotes:Will we be like Elijah and Enoch? Some will die, other won't, from different tribes and nations, what is the 144000 have towards the end, is there any meaning to those that will lay in the street as dead, for 3 and a half day's, years-so every one will see them?. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Virgin Mary Statue In St. Joseph Church In Iraq Crying, Tears Turned To Blood by brocab: 3:08am On Oct 06, 2018*. Modified: 11:24pm On Oct 07, 2018 |
I have witnessed this sort of stuff myself-statue's moving, it is a known fact demons live in statue's, and of course people actually believe the statue they buy of baby Jesus's, Mary's, and the Saints are their protectors, people are taught to idolise these statues they buy, the Church teaches them these are connected from up above-"Not from above-but below, these are spiritually dead demon processed statue's, God said: thru shalt not worship idol's, images of above on Earth and under the Earth. Idol worship had always been around since the fall of man, but this doesn't give anybody the rights to encourage their Church to purchase these demon processed statues to watch over them. This is why we are given the Word of God, the truth set's us free.. Demonic activity is everywhere-the problem is, do we recognise it, there's spiritual activity everywhere, children's dolls are known to be demon processed, movies of the demon doll chucky is a processed murderer, demons are seen in paintings, we seen shapes of all kinds, even in mother nature, in everything that doesn't line up with God, even in the animal kingdom-cats are known to see the unseen, dog's barking at the unseen? We see sharps in trees, clouds, statue's crying blood-and yet Jesus warned us: we will come up against the principalities and the demonic of this world. We have Churches demonstrating false beliefs and of course the world ends up falling into a world full of demonic activity, people are trying to connect to something without God, Churches of religion such as these around the world is connected to the underworld. Satan uses the unsuspected to watch over us-he uses the dead in spirit-Satan has people everywhere bowing down to him, the music era, actors, governments, even in the animal kingdom-crows are usually found watching downwards outside Church buildings, even schools. On every corner big brother is watching you-Satan's deception is causing God's people to be deceived. {Luke 4:6}The counterfeit comes to steal kill and destroy-Satan said: All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will, I give it, So if You worship me, it will all be Yours.”…. Tchitntdu: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 12:54am On Oct 06, 2018*. Modified: 8:47pm On Jan 23, 2023 |
If you decide to marry outside your beliefs, pay attention to the Word of God before you make that decision? Don't just begin by looks-search everything you can find about the person you are about the spend the rest of your life with, take time to know them-find out about their family background, their ancestors, where they are from, whom they worshiped, whom they followed, did any of them go and see a medium a sorcerer, were they involved in witchcraft? Find out more about them-ask, have any of them fasted and prayed for deliverance 'from these ancestry curses, are any of them still practicing craft, the bible is clear; when our ancestors or our family line are under any type of curse. {Deuteronomy 5:8-9} “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below, You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, Marriages are not always given by God-many marriages are done in the Will of man-rebellion against God is an abomination. it's a sin-it's witchcraft that we bring upon ourselves when we choose to disobey God's Commandments.. {Deuteronomy 7:1-4} When GOD, your God, brings you into the country that you are about to enter and take over, he will clear out the superpowers that were there before you: the Hittite, the Girgashite, the Amorite, the Canaanite, the Perizzite, the Hivite, and the Jebusite. Those seven nations are all bigger and stronger than you are. GOD, your God, will turn them over to you and you will conquer them. You must completely destroy them, offering them up as a holy destruction to GOD. Don’t make a treaty with them. Don’t let them off in any way. Don’t marry them: Don’t give your daughters to their sons and don’t take their daughters for your sons—before you know it they’d involve you in worshiping their gods, and GOD would explode in anger, putting a quick end to you. Many marriages are not from God: Priest Pastor's Elders may claim to have somewhat authority to marry God's people, but really, are they marrying men with men, women with women, children with adults, is this not a abomination against God, and yet the churches marry whom they wish.. It was important that Israel was to marry their own tribe of people, ''These day's people are making their own decisions without even seeking God's Will. So if you decide to marry-at least marry somebody under the same faith: when we choose not to walk with God-it is said: expect to stay under a curse!! but if the marriage is from God: then you are both choosing to stay under God's Covenant. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Virgin Mary Statue In St. Joseph Church In Iraq Crying, Tears Turned To Blood by brocab: 12:56pm On Oct 05, 2018*. Modified: 11:35pm On Oct 07, 2018 |
It never to late to make the right decision, and it's never to late to study the Word of God-and it's never to late to ask Jesus into our lives, allowing Him to save you-from your own destruction! It's never to late. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 12:19am On Oct 04, 2018 |
I am far far away, if you were to turn left at this point and turn right at that point, I am sure you will see my little Island flooding out in the middle of no-mans land, praising and worshipping the Son-while the rest of the world is enjoying the Sun... MuttleyLaff: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 3:50am On Sep 29, 2018 |
Praise the Lord for ever more-have a good day! And anytime you want to say Hello, feel free to do so! I am just around the corner.. MuttleyLaff: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 5:51pm On Sep 26, 2018 |
Remember forgive and forget-Sorry I have wiped my feet and moved on! MuttleyLaff: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 2:52pm On Sep 26, 2018*. Modified: 5:24pm On Sep 26, 2018 |
Firstly you wouldn't have a clue-different lingo's have different meanings-everybody knows that, all I tried to do is explain the situation, I was trying to help you understand but that didn't work-you are so religious "So this argument is my argument now? It is really nice of you to decide to turn it over the me so you can feel it's all Brocab's fault" I do remember you came against me-Wow-it was you swearing at me and carrying on over your dear friend, and now you say you refused to be part of it, you attack me, you started mouthing off at me, I didn't come at you using bad language, you used bad lingo to try to frighten me-you even tried to threaten me" I am not welcomed and no-one likes me! I have only heard this sort of lingo from Catholic's, Religious people don't like me! Who cares, I am here because I have chosen to be.. Are you so religious that you think your denial will save you-do yourself a favour ask me to forgive you. {1 Timothy 5:13} wandering about from house to house; and not only idle, but gossips and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not. {Brocab it's often wise to say nothing, than posting remarks that betray a lack of sensitivity when interacting with others} Is there only sensitivity on your behalf using bad language against another fellow Christian-Is this real-I wanted to lay everything down between us-I tried to be nice about it, I tried to explain myself hoping you would understand-but obviously you have no intentions to even try, obviously it's always the case the blame game against Brocab strikes again? It's all Brocab's fault! I am not after sympathy-I was asking to let things lie between us-forgive and forget move on to our next chapter-I was hoping God had laid it upon your heart, like He had laid it upon my heart to forgive and move on.. Well obviously that didn't work! it isn't wise to point your finger-when we are all sinners with faults, the Pharisee prayed, I thank thee Lord I am not one like Brocab the tax collector-Am I the only one with faults-isn't the mirror big enough for both of us? is there any room left in you to forgive without any last words so we can finally let things lay low, or is there more unsatisfied lingo to be said: before this matter is closed-is there anybody out there-you need forgiveness for, or maybe you need to forgive also? {Matthew 10:14} If someone won't welcome you or listen to your message, leave their home or town. And shake the dust from your feet at them." Well I have just shake'd the dust of my feet! but remember I will always be around the corner writing and reading the Word of God, see you on the merry go round, "May the Lord give you wisdom and knowledge and understanding, so with everything you touch read or write, it's a blessing to your soul heart and mind.. Bye.. MuttleyLaff: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 11:38pm On Sep 24, 2018*. Modified: 1:48am On Sep 25, 2018 |
The problem we have on this forum, we are only connected through letter-If we could have that chance to meet in person-I am sure none what we say-would be offensive, my English of course is different to your English, we are from different countries-having different lingo's-that have different meanings-my country we talk slang-we like to take the short cuts in our sentencing. So how I write it, is not always what you see it to be. I do admit I may come in strong-and it may sound offensive to others, but the bottom line is we are Christians-learning from each other-and If any argument isn't going anywhere-then the next best thing to do as Christians-learn by our mistakes, forgive and forget, and move on to the next chapter in life. We have a job to do-our job is to bring the gospel to the nations-our job is to come together in one accord-our job is to believe the Word of God-we are here to support those who have falling from their first love. I am a non tither-and when someone claims they have worldly riches because they tithe-as a brother in Christ, as strong as it may sound, I will try to support my brother sister to get them back on course. Now we all know practicing tithing is unbiblical, Christians from different denominations that practices anything other then the truth-then my question is-how can we believe they even know God-when they practice another gospel! So everything is forgiven and forgotten? Allow us the move forward. And I say to you-Thank you.. MuttleyLaff: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 6:47am On Sep 24, 2018 |
As we all know this usually blows over-some of us like the bull more then others, but anyway-lets all move on, forgive and forget, and remember we are all hear testing the Word of God-praying that we are all preaching the same gospel! If not, than we have us 'willing to defend God. johnw47: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 6:01am On Sep 24, 2018*. Modified: 6:40am On Sep 24, 2018 |
Well I did read into the mirror and all I could read is your pages-lets forget the bull-and let us move on-forgive and forget! In my country it is nearly 3 pm in the afternoon-what time is it in your country-if you don't mind me asking? If we are serious-can we forgive and move on, can I ask-have you heard of the man who calls himself the Machine gun preacher in Africa, and if you are African would you know of this man who claims he supports the needy? Does your Church support His ministry, What I see on youtube-doesn't really fit the missing pieces about why he needs so much money to feel his dream! Like I realise we all have a calling-and it would be nice to have supporters to help us do our thing-but this sort of money crabbing usually only happens within the Word of Faith movement of prosperity! MuttleyLaff: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 5:56am On Sep 24, 2018 |
But you love the argument-everybody you call your friends on here are not your friends-no one listens to you-nor do they listen to me-we are hear to write about Christ-nothing more, we haven't a leg to stand on without Christ, but as a somebody-I don't recall you backing up your words with bible knowledge, If you had, then it maybe a hidden agenda, the only thing I have read from you is a dirty mouth, that I do know. Do yourself a favour-change for God" pray for you and I-repent and ask for your forgiveness, and lets move on.. MuttleyLaff: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 5:35am On Sep 24, 2018 |
You are still on air-please leave me alone-Hypocrite MuttleyLaff: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 5:22am On Sep 24, 2018 |
Jesus said: from such withdraw yourselves-you would rather see your brother stand outside his Church looking rich-because he works to pay tithes-If Petro1 was my brother-I would warn him about his unbiblical practices, I would read the bible to him to protect him, but I wouldn't allow myself to see my brother walk on a road that is unbiblical-without trying at least to save him. But he is your brother, without judging, you would rather write something that is unbiblcal just to justify yourself-protecting him and those who hear you. MuttleyLaff: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 4:35am On Sep 24, 2018*. Modified: 5:20am On Sep 24, 2018 |
Sorry I didn't read your page-it's boring, you claim you aren't petro1 but you speak about Petro1 like he is everything to you, you may not be the same person-but you sure make out he is someone you fantasise over. This page is full of unforgiving people-like you, most of them claim to be Christians-I asked you to forgive me, and still you would rather rave on-about the words I said: hypocrite first take the pluck out of your own eye, before you pull the dirt out of your brothers eye. Secondly Christians should be supporting Christians-not picking sides, now I have asked you to prove your facts "is he rich, you haven't proved anything-but winched-you call it a put down against Petro1-obviously forgiveness is out of your league, so there's no-more I could say about that. So you don't tithe, but you don't inform your brother neither 'petro1 is practicing something unbiblcal-read your bible to find out more truth about that! Jesus said: from such withdraw yourselves-you would rather see your brother stand outside his Church looking rich-because he works to pay tithes-If Petro1 was my brother-I would warn him about his unbiblical practices, I would read the bible to him to protect him, but I wouldn't allow myself to see my brother walk on a road that is unbiblical-without trying at least to save him. But he is your brother, without judging, you would rather write something that is unbiblcal just to justify yourself-protecting him and those who hear you. MuttleyLaff:This isn't about Petro1 this is about you-what you stand for, your focus is not about just anybody-but somebody that means so dearly to you, but hypocritically speaking-you are no different then I-nor the next person-we all speak up against different religions, some more then others speak up against fellow Christians who are on the same page. Petro1 is not on the same page-he tithes, I don't tithe, our bible skills are different-our beliefs are different, we are both on different levels in Christ-we will both debate scripture-and most of all none of us can worship Mammon and God at the same time! MuttleyLaff: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 3:47am On Sep 22, 2018*. Modified: 3:49pm On Sep 22, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:You speak about Petro1 like he is everything to you-you are Petro1 or you are someone who fantasise over him-to close gives you away. Is money all about God to you, another tither hits the dust, the cloths you wear in the photo isn't worth bragging about, this maybe all the riches you have-truly it's nothing, it proves nothing. Riches in God isn't about how we look-it's about who we serve, it's obvious you prefer riches. {brocab: 2:47am On Sep 15 "I don't see a rich man-you call him rich because you know him-maybe you are him-Just by looking at the photo he doesn't look like a man who carries a pocket full of money.} Don't be offended-we all come up against something we don't all agree with-you tithe, I don't tithe-we believe in two different doctrines-If you were rich, in heart-the inside of the cup will shine on the outside-but it doesn't with you, your page against me tells your story. You expect people to listen that tithing makes people rich, you want me to believe your clothing belongs to a rich man, because you tithe. I don't tithe 'and yet God blesses me, just as much as the next person, I wear leather jackets-jeans and boots, I have plenty of cloths-I have a pickup truck, I ride a harley, my wife drives her car, my son drives his car, having worldly riches doesn't prove I am rich, what really makes me rich, is God. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 10:58pm On Sep 21, 2018*. Modified: 3:49pm On Sep 22, 2018 |
Is this truly you? I had said my sorry's and still you make a mockery from it-I have an opinion, you cant prove other wise, are you expecting me to get down on my hands and knees to worship you-while in the mean time you could say to me, well done good and faithful servant-you can't accept it-then Pray about it. I will say it again-I am Sorry if I had upset you. I had no ideal Petro1 means so much 'more to you, you speak of him like a marriage had began between you both-is he your husband. Forgive me, and allow us to walk on.. MuttleyLaff:After reading your page full of bad language against me, obviously you can't accept any thing I had written, forgive, is the key Word for today! We are Christians amongst each other-you treat this like we are enemies-honesty your fruit stinks-is there any room in your heart left to accept my forgiveness. I had asked you a question-you refused to answer it, you claim petro1 is rich, in which way is he rich-I ask you a simple question is he rich through tithes he gives to his pastor-you said: you don't know-but still you claim he is rich, in what way is he rich? As a non tither-we know that tithing does not make people rich in God-biblical knowledge gives us riches to our soul-preaching unbiblical knowledge is like collecting rubbish for our soul, tithes these days is about financial gain-tithers who claims to be rich through tithing are "prosperity preachers, wolves in sheep clothing.. You believe Petro1 is rich-how is he rich? His photo don't prove he is rich-his cloths and his smile can not possibility prove he is rich. But you believe he is rich-I say he is not rich through his clothing his smile-you say he is rich through his clothes and his smile-prove he is rich! I don't care what people think of me, I don't care if you lie black and blue about me, if you are looking for people to pick sides, just mingle in with the gossips and busybodies like you, you can't miss them-they are in every Church causing problems between other believers-plus if any of your followers had any sense-they would ask the same question-prove petro1 is rich-in what way? You believe he is rich in God-and yet he preaches another doctrine about tithing? Riches in God is about believing His Word, not something other then His Word, don't you understand everything is about His Word-not some made up tithing excuse-that gains plenty of money through godliness. {Timothy 6:3-15} Tithing was always a problem-it had always caused disputes, and arguments over words, everybody in their right minds know that to be rich in Word is about truth-there is no truth found in tithing, it does not make people rich in God, worldly riches yes! Maybe petro1 has worldly riches-you need to understand-I test the Word of God-and if tithing is not biblical then it should be left alone. Does this mean, this page will caste me-out from among the wolves in sheep clothing, am I not accepted in your chain of evil, am I expected to read your bad language against me every time I open my page. Isn't there any justice left in the Church, had your heart caste me into the pits of hell already, we expect this behaviour from gossips and busybodies, you seem to be well connected with both, do you actually believe God exist? Every time I open my page the first thing I see is my enemy coming up against me, wake up-forget about the rubbish and pray for yourself, pray for me-visa versa-you don't like my opinion, and I don't like your threats, so after I had prayed to forgive, I allow God to work miracles and change this picture: the truth will always set me free..Don't winch against me, pray for you and I. Your name Muttley rings a bell-did you ever watch this Cartoon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uSTOHa4Im4 MuttleyLaff: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 10:41pm On Sep 20, 2018 |
Sorry did I wake you, I live across the other-side of the moon-a place you may never know it exist! What time did I write my page-around 11 am. Sorry do you think I live in Africa-No-my mistake-I didn't realise you have your computer still running with the sound blaring across the room while you sleep, most people turn them off.. If you knew anything about anybody-as you claim you do-which you don't-somebody you believe that looks rich-doesn't prove he is rich-plus money doesn't make anybody rich-it's a figure of your imagination! It's what we do with the money-we give it to the poor the needy and the homeless-this is what makes us rich in God! Anything out of that square, worldly riches is nothing-but a destroyer that kills the body and everything that dies with it.. But because you believe Petro1 is rich by his cloths and his smile in the photo-then you must believe his tithing to his pastor makes him rich! How does it make him rich? Because I said: Petro1 doesn't look rich-it is eating you up, do you really care about my opinion-don't people have rights to have their own opinions, just look at what you write-you deafeningly are not speaking love-and I am sure you would come at me with a sword-in the name of your dirty fell mouthed beliefs. You have got to be kidding man-coming at me like you know "God-with a mouth like yours! Do yourself a favour man, get with God, spend time with Him, pray for you and I-ask Him for your forgiveness! Do that and lets leave the past behind, and start again.. MuttleyLaff: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 12:16am On Sep 20, 2018 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 11:49pm On Sep 19, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:Don't give up-don't return back to your own vomit means, keep it up, don't give up-I can also count my times wearing t-shirts, having stickers on vehicles, and preaching the gospel on the streets, countless times been there done that, didn't stop there-I am still doing it-but using a different approach, I ride a Harley Davidson and in genial I may call people brothers and sisters/neighbours but the only connection I have is the bikes. And returning back to your own vomit is someone that can't handle a disagreement between both parties. Your grace is a way off the charts-we don't have to agree/the point is, we have the bible to back up our theories, if it aren't written, it aren't there. You choose to be your brothers keeper-love Petro1 as your brother, but if the love you have for me-is about bad language coming out from your mouth, I prefer you don't love me at all. MuttleyLaff: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 10:57pm On Sep 19, 2018 |
Sorry I thought you would prefer to write about God! But if this sort of stuff interest you, I will leave you with the worldly vomit below. MuttleyLaff: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 10:32pm On Sep 19, 2018*. Modified: 10:48pm On Sep 19, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:Why give up-do it more? Don't return yourself back to your own vomit! {Matthew 12:48-50} But he replied to the man who told him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers! For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.” Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. I suppose these are your brothers.. Different levels of grace, but same doctrine. MuttleyLaff: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 8:51pm On Sep 19, 2018*. Modified: 9:58pm On Sep 19, 2018 |
{1 Timothy 1:3-7}“As I urged you upon my departure for Macedonia, remain on at Ephesus so that you may instruct certain men not to teach strange doctrines, {Tithing is the strange doctrine} nor to pay attention to myths and endless genealogies, which give rise to mere speculation rather than furthering the administration of God which is by faith. Some doctrinal controversies are clearly important and worth defending vigorously. {I don't call anybody my brother in Christ, unless I know them by their fruit-unless we are one in Christ, I don't call anybody my brother that teaches another doctrine "Can't you see-the tithing doctrine causes disputes, and arguments over words.} {Romans 16:17} Now I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who create divisions and obstacles that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Turn away from them. I don't know about you, I defend against those so called Christians that lie against the Word of God-liars that teach tithing money brings them health and wealth. I will defend against any brother, if they teach another doctrine that does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which accords with godliness, the brother is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, useless wranglings of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is his means to financial gain. "From such I am to withdraw myself from this brother".. We love people because we love Christ! Loving somebody doesn't mean you need to be somebodies keeper-if you were Petro1 keeper, what can Petro1 learn from you, visa versa, you both teach two different doctrines! "You both don't play by the same rules and regulations concerning God-unless he is your true brother same Mama same Papa? MuttleyLaff: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 7:03pm On Sep 19, 2018*. Modified: 10:08pm On Sep 19, 2018 |
I have my rights to speak up-there is no law to say I can't speak up-even if it against your precious Church, I speak up about all Churches who are more involved in wrong doing-you wanted to know Uben what we are doing about our own poo-well open up your eye's and read the different topic's people have been disguising about different denominations, it is only when the Catholic Church is mentioned, "you stand-not because its 'for the Love for Christ" you stand only for the love of your Church. Catholic's are always Catholic's, X-so called Catholic's had never left the Catholic Church in action! I have met many so called X Catholic's, who claim to be born again, but had never left their first love in the Catholic Church. {Which doesn't concern Christ} I was asked by a couple who claim to be born again Christians-but still Catholic in heart-to give a testimony-where my life began before God had called me into His kingdom, I don't like to give a testimony about anything concerning myself-speciously if it concerns about a Church people love-but again I wasn't told I was to be in the house full of Catholic's-as blind as I was-I sat down to tell my story and how I was treated by members of the Catholic Church! Institutionalised as I was, it was my faith in Christ-no matter what, I am here to talk about my ordeal-I sat down believing people need the truth, this is what Christ is all about 'the truth. After my story-I found the house was full of hateful Catholic's that crucified me over and over-Catholic's that refuses the truth-Catholic's who are blind to televisions and deaf to radio's, I didn't speak up against God-I spoke up against some members of the Catholic Church-Nun's that abused me-torched me, bashed me-I suppose we can't expect Nun's to know, nor understand-the first 4 years in a Child's life is the most important chapter to them-you pollute it-psychically and mentally it damages a Child from top to bottom for the rest of their lives, no-longer are we victims-we become the tormentors-like those who trained us to be.. I didn't speak up against Rome itself-but some members of Rome-Child molesters, child haters-Murders-Child enslavement, cruelty against Children of God. "Lest we forget! As we all know this behaviour-is found through all different denominations-sadly my story was about the Catholic Church you love so much. Of course we must forgive-but never forget-this will never stop-we hear of Rome still holding Children at random, Children used as sex slaves in the Vatican, cruelty from the Priest have informed Parents the Vatican have their Children-parents are still crying out like the story of Egypt-let My people Go! Ubenedictus: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 10:56pm On Sep 18, 2018*. Modified: 11:13pm On Sep 18, 2018 |
I am also a brother in Christ-but you don't know me-well enough to be my keeper? I am a anti tither-petro1 is a tither, which means we both don't have anything in common, I couldn't be his keeper-petro1 and I speak of two different gospels-but you are his keeper-you practice what he practices-I don't understand where you are coming from, concerning petro1 'are you in love with him? MuttleyLaff: |
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