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Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 12:31am On May 29, 2018

Hundreds of millions are getting things right-in your own point of view are these hundreds and millions "Catholic's?
Since you believe I am a smug fool, then at least answer the questions-is there room for us outside the Church, since you believe the hundreds and millions of whom are getting it right, then it can only mean someone else had to answer the questions, if not by you?
A simple question had caused an uproar within your body of the Catholic Church-Is it wrong for me to ask are there any Catholic's in heaven, or is it right to think there's none found in heaven?
Is there any proof-that the apostles were Catholic's, I suppose not! "Is there any proof you are even saved, not at all..

Yale9:
hundreds of millions are getting things right. So keep wondering. As a confused fellow, its surely your hobby

Christianity Etc › Re: Benny Hinn: I Am So Wrong About Prosperity Gospel, I Don't Fly Private Jets by brocab: 5:01am On May 28, 2018*

Does this mean Benny Hinn, will give everything back to the millions of people, after he had stolen their life savings to be healed, now he had come clean, is he finely admitting he had sold his soul to the devil?
Listen Benny Hinn was never saved in the first place, neither is Kenneth Copeland and the rest of these prosperity pimps.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 4:36am On May 28, 2018*

Finally.. maturity! But sadly it isn't from you! to retrieve information read it directly out from the bible. Because where you think your answers are to be found, isn't there, the truth sets us free, not some existing tradition you claim it only belongs to the Catholic Church.
I wonder if the Catholic's are with God in heaven?

Yale9:
Finally.. maturity!

Christianity Etc › Re: When Hell Go To Hell by brocab: 3:02am On May 28, 2018*

In your own words, who is the Holy Spirit? And how does the Spirit teach us, and what is the fruit of the Spirit?
Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect?
People have always claimed to be some what Spirit filled, but they never claim to have faith, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit?
Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
You defiantly do have a spirit, but not the Holy Spirit residing in you, "Charles Russell was a Mason he was a false prophet, his spirit resides in your spirit, Russell always taught about works, without faith.
Russell never knew Christ-visa versa, His sheep follow Him, and Russell never followed Him, Russell knew not His voice, nor do you know His voice! If you knew His voice, You would believe that there is one God.
In record we can see that the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses believe in a two-gods system.
(In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God - changed to - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a God)
Do they know "Even the demons believe there is one God—and tremble!

Riofidelio:
Observers are noticing the effectiveness of different interpretations on the attitude,lifestyle and how fine those adhering to such interpretations are doing in the neighborhood. So anyone can say "i've got the Holy Spirit" and "you don't have the Holy Spirit". But Glory to Jehovah in the highest because "wisdom is justified by her children" says a wise teacher! Luke 7:35

Christianity Etc › Re: When Hell Go To Hell by brocab: 9:45am On May 27, 2018

This is why we know the Holy Spirit doesn't guild the JW's, only because you don't bring bible truth to us..
By their we will know them, and sadly we know you, and what doctrine you bring to our doors, and sadly it isn't the Word of God as we know it,
you bring in the watchtower literature, again this has nothing to do with the Word of God.
Holy Spirit filled believers, stick by the Word of God, they teach it, they preach it, they live by it, they rely on it, they don't change it, nor do they add to it, they believe it. "Just like the Spirit of God believes, "We believe!

Riofidelio:
Hmmmmmmmmm every religious group "including Jehovah's witnesses" are claiming the Holy Spirit is guiding them during the interpretation of the word of God yet there is contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines so in that aspect all religious groups are even. So what's the evidence of God's Holy Spirit? It's the wisdom afterwards! Let's consider on a grand scale the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of their interpretation in the face of lasting benefits in the case of those adhering to such interpretations. That's the ONLY you can prove that God's Holy Spirit is truly guiding a religious group!

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Your Reaction When Jehovah Witnesses Knock On Your Door? by brocab: 8:57am On May 27, 2018*

Everyone may believe they have all the answers? But trying to express your findings, to a site that doesn't exist-makes life a little harder, for somebody who is truly seeking after God.
Then it comes to a question of important's, who are you-and which religion do you seek?
Plus the bible had been written for us to enjoy, we don't need sites that don't exist, we can learn straight from the KJ bible, which of course it cost us nothing to seek after Him because all truth has set us free!

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Christianity Etc › Re: When Hell Go To Hell by brocab: 8:34am On May 27, 2018

Good enjoy the ride! The JW's need you, they need the competition..

johnw47:
of course hell in that verse is referring to the grave, oh duh one
death and grave being thrown into the lake of fire means there will be death and grave no more
you cannot literally throw death and grave anywhere

but when you are literally thrown into the LoF jozz, means you will be burnt up and be no more also, oh duh jozz

Pro_13:16 Every prudent man dealeth with knowledge: but a fool layeth open his folly.

ok i'm back brocab

Christianity Etc › Re: When Hell Go To Hell by brocab: 2:13pm On May 24, 2018

No worries, ever which way you claim to be, Johnw 74-or 47 we know it's you..

johnw47:
haven't heard of that, by the way i'm posting as johnw47 now, the johnw74 account stopped working on my computer for some reason,
it still works with smart phone but i prefer to go online with my computer

Christianity Etc › Re: When Hell Go To Hell by brocab: 2:10pm On May 24, 2018

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm0_-jNoXe4

Christianity Etc › Re: When Hell Go To Hell by brocab: 2:06pm On May 24, 2018

Is that the Ashley S Palmer story?

johnw47:
no can do, i'm spending my little time online at the moment with reverad satanists
God bless

Christianity Etc › Re: When Hell Go To Hell by brocab: 1:50pm On May 24, 2018

Hi bro! Tag along with us, there's always plenty of room for one more-and no-one enjoys the JW's more then you in the past-Johnw74.

johnw47:
" and death and hell were casted into the Lake Of Fire" - Rev 20:14

it's very simple, "hell" is clearly referring to the grave
death and the grave being cast into the Lake of Fire means there will be no more death or grave

death and grave cannot be literally cast into the LoF,

the next verse however is literal:
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Your Reaction When Jehovah Witnesses Knock On Your Door? by brocab: 1:28pm On May 24, 2018*

As I record through reading the scriptures, man alone didn't teach the Word of God, Jesus Promises Another Helper, and it is He who teaches us all things, So unless that man is filled with the Holy Spirit, no man taught me, and no Spirit came upon me through the teaching of a just man..

Riofidelio:
( Act 1:8 so if your teachers taught you TRUE Christianity the Holy Spirit will come upon you to assist you and give you that boldness to face the task ahead which is preaching and teaching in your neighborhood about Christ Jesus!

Maybe, its the way you have been taught from the elders, that the Spirit of God comes upon you through Watchtower teaching, or maybe you feel it's through your door to door works the Spirit of God comes upon you.
{Acts 1:6-7} Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority.
But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you. And you will be My witnesses, telling people about Me everywhere - in Jerusalem, throughout Judea, in Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.
It is impossible to know anything about God without the Spirit of God in the picture; the above scripture does not say anything about teachers of just men teaching us true Christianity, before the Spirit of the Lord comes upon them.
{John 14:15-17} “If you love Me, keep My commandments. And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever—the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.
Jesus knew we couldn't learn the scriptures without the Spirit, so yes, there is a difference between teachings, your Christianity isn't the Word of God, if you were to bring to me the Word of God, then I would know you, by your works, "but sadly I don't know you!

Riofidelio:
My friend it's just the difference between what your teachers taught you about Christianity and what my own teachers taught me about Christianity! But the Holy Spirit will take charge from where your teachers taught you reach( Act 1:8 so if your teachers taught you TRUE Christianity the Holy Spirit will come upon you to assist you and give you that boldness to face the task ahead which is preaching and teaching in your neighborhood about Christ Jesus!

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 12:43pm On May 24, 2018

And same with you! Amen..

Yale9:
May you know Christ indeed. Amen!

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Your Reaction When Jehovah Witnesses Knock On Your Door? by brocab: 1:50pm On May 20, 2018

Obviously you believe you are working for the Son of Man-but yet you come to my door preaching another doctrine.

Riofidelio:
Matthew 10:3-26,28:19,20 If you're saying someone is not getting something right, the best way to prove it is by coming out to do it better and let's see the results that the founder told US will prove you've done it right!

As we can see, you are as blind as you could be, you claim you are witnessing in the neighbourhoods, but yet no-one see's you doing such task, You brag about all the work you do, while your complaints have hit home-complaining we just sit around witnessing on this very site, "then what are you doing Hypocrite!

Riofidelio:
James 2:20-26 That's why i'm saying if truly the Holy Spirit is operating in your place of worship, it should move you people to go out in groups for the preaching and teaching program that Jesus "Christ" commissioned for "Christians" and not just sitting in your room with a phone tapping it and claiming you're doing what Jesus commanded!

Jesus said: go out unto the nations and preach the gospel! He didn't say, where and how we should preach it.
{2 John 1:9-11} Anyone who runs ahead without remaining in the teaching of Christ does not have God.
Whoever remains in His teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you but does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your home or even greet him. Whoever greets such a person shares in his evil deeds.…

Riofidelio:
What you were taught as Christianity totally differs from mine, claiming it's the Holy Spirit that's teaching you is just being presumptuous because that's exactly what i too believes.

So allowing you into my home is a no no-you don't come to me preaching the gospel I was taught from the beginning, The original language of the Bible clearly teaches that the Holy Spirit is God, is coequal with the other Persons of the Godhead, is masculine, and is personal - the Third Person of the Trinity. Do you agree? Since you now believe the Holy Spirit actually teaches you!

Riofidelio:
Well you believe i'm not a true Christian and i also believe you're not a true Christian,this is due to difference in our school of thought. What you were taught as Christianity totally differs from mine, claiming it's the Holy Spirit that's teaching you is just being presumptuous because that's exactly what i too believes. So how can this be settled? Each person's work will prove what your faith stands for not just talking and talking like an empty barrel that's not doing anything for the benefit of others. James 2:20-26 That's why i'm saying if truly the Holy Spirit is operating in your place of worship, it should move you people to go out in groups for the preaching and teaching program that Jesus "Christ" commissioned for "Christians" and not just sitting in your room with a phone tapping it and claiming you're doing what Jesus commanded! Matthew 10:3-26,28:19,20 If you're saying someone is not getting something right, the best way to prove it is by coming out to do it better and let's see the results that the founder told US will prove you've done it right!

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Your Reaction When Jehovah Witnesses Knock On Your Door? by brocab: 12:04am On May 20, 2018*

You say the words clearly, you agree to spread the gospel, but in action you are not spreading the gospel, Jesus told you to do!
You expect people to believe in watchtower literature, but you don't accept the people to know the hole truth about the Word of God.
You preach what you know, but you don't preach what is necessary!
{Matthew 7:7-8} Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.
For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened.…
Cry out unto the Lord and repent, asking Him to forgive you, go to your secret place and kneel down before the Lord, and ask Him into your life, ask Him to send you the Helper to teach you all things about the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Once you have done that, then preach the truth, and allow the Spirit of God to lead you while you preach the gospel, He told you to preach.

Riofidelio:
It's OK, so go out as Jesus "Christ" commanded His own followers to go preaching and teaching people i think that's the duty of any one professing to be "Christian"! Matthew 28:19,20

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 2:31pm On May 19, 2018*

It isn't an insult, its the Word of God, and if you don't believe God calls us, then He obviously didn't call you!
So really you are preaching something you haven't the slightest idea how the scriptures sound.
At least if you are talking bible, talk it, without Church tradition, no-one cares which Church building stood the longest, we care who the Church is!
And the Church isn't just people in the Catholic Church! The name of Jesus Christ is spread to the four corners of every nation, a Church building made of brick and mortar is nothing to be proud off..

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Your Reaction When Jehovah Witnesses Knock On Your Door? by brocab: 2:16pm On May 19, 2018

Riofidelio:
Satan is the one using them! Do you think people of other nations don't have zeal for doing what is good? Of course they do but so far they don't have guidance and instructions from God Satan is ruling over all of them!

You believe Satan can control people, but you believe the Holy Spirit is just an active force!

Riofidelio:
1Christians 10:20,2Christians 4:4

Riofidelio:
compare to Romans 10:2,3 Please we're not to argue with people in their homes

No-one thinks' any more about the JW's, it's the world that knows you, I don't have tell you' who you are! You already know how the world see's you. Plus I am not hear to argue, I am hear to spread the Word of God.. You may not like it, but it is the truth, the truth is living and He sets us free..

Riofidelio:
further questions ask my brothers and sisters coming to knock on your doors or forget about US completely since you think we're just another false religious group.

Your brothers and sisters don't come to my door, not because I was rude to them, it's because I question them about your bible.

Riofidelio:
It's obvious you just want to argue because i never mentioned the age of the baby! Actually the child and his parents were no more in the manger at the arrival of the Astrologers, moreover it's God who warned them not to return to Herod but i've told you that there are many who thought they're working what is good whereas Satan is the one using them! Do you think people of other nations don't have zeal for doing what is good? Of course they do but so far they don't have guidance and instructions from God Satan is ruling over all of them! 1Christians 10:20,2Christians 4:4 compare to Romans 10:2,3 Please we're not to argue with people in their homes so if you have further questions ask my brothers and sisters coming to knock on your doors or forget about US completely since you think we're just another false religious group.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Your Reaction When Jehovah Witnesses Knock On Your Door? by brocab: 1:44pm On May 19, 2018

But your way is not scriptural, matter of fact-its against Jehovah! It was His decision to save lives: and its your decision to destroy lives.
If blood was poisoners, God wouldn't have giving us blood in the first place, blood saves lives, everyone has a different blood group, but someone has yours..It's shocking to know JW's believe they have some sort of an authority to decide who lives and who dies, obviously the watchtower are playing God..
Kay Dibben, The Courier-Mail-June 25, 2015 12:20 pm: A life saving Judge allows blood transfusion, a hospital will be allowed to give a boy, 7, a life-saving blood transfusion during a planned liver transplant, against the wishes of his Jehovah’s Witness parents.

Riofidelio:
It's OK if you want blood transfusion go and get it, we have our own way of no~blood treatment and professional medical personels across the globe have known,respect and certified our stand on that period!

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Your Reaction When Jehovah Witnesses Knock On Your Door? by brocab: 12:45am On May 18, 2018*

Riofidelio:
Today Scientists have succumb to what we're telling them because we're ahead of them regarding the source of life!

Please tell me, who gave the JW's the authority to believe they are God?
And who gave the JW's the authority to decide who's life should be or shouldn't be destroyed.
{Genesis 9:3-5} Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. I have given you all things, even as the green herbs. But you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood.
{Leviticus 17:11-14} Therefore I said to the children of Israel, ‘No one among you shall eat blood, nor shall any stranger who dwells among you eat blood.’ “Whatever man of the children of Israel, or of the strangers who dwell among you, who hunts and catches any animal or bird that may be eaten, he shall pour out its blood and cover it with dust; for it is the life of all flesh.
So the JW's believe given blood to save a life-is equal to eating blood from an animal?
{Acts 15:28-29} For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.
The Lord said: Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you; I give you everything, as I gave you the green plants and vegetables. But you shall not eat meat along with its life, that is, its blood.
“Whoever sheds man’s blood [unlawfully] By man (judicial government) shall his blood be shed, For in the image of God-He made man, “As for you, be fruitful and multiply; Populate the earth abundantly and multiply in it.”
So given blood and saving a life, is a form of things strangled that plays a role in sexual immorality, that falls under the same lines of idol worship! So really you couldn't care less knowing you may have a blood type to save any life.
So this is what sort of people we have standing on our door steps waiting to be served-this verse below obviously doesn't concern you!
{Genesis 9:7} And as for you, be fruitful and multiply; Bring forth abundantly in the earth And multiply in it.”

Riofidelio:
If you want to accuse someone why not go for charges that's proven? Well none of Jehovah's witnesses will accept a blood transfusion so your question is misplaced. Today Scientists have succumb to what we're telling them because we're ahead of them regarding the source of life! Blood must not go from one living creature to another because the blood is the formation of each person or creature.Genesis 9:4, Leviticus 17:11-14,Act 15:28,29 Today they(scientists) have caused a lot of havoc due to their ignorance and negligence of God's instructions, incurable diseases are spreading fast and all their scientific discoveries have proved no match for upsurging diseases.Please if you're against Jehovah's witnesses and you want to discourage others from listening to US try to get reasonable charges because intellectuals across the globe have surpassed this blood transfusion accusation. You can try discussing with professional medical personnels on this topic and you'll be surprised that they'll tell you that there's nothing that will make them opt for a blood transfusion but they can pass it to others after all it's all experimental so if the patient dies you'll be convinced they tried their best and if patient survive it's for their glory.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Your Reaction When Jehovah Witnesses Knock On Your Door? by brocab: 11:29pm On May 17, 2018

Riofidelio:
This is the reason we're coming to knock on your door! Please those called WISE MEN were "Satan's agents" most of them don't know themselves that Satan is using them but by the Spirit of God we can identify them!

So Satan was giving gifts to Jesus through wise men-and this is how you recognise them through the Holy Spirit.
Then if the wise men were Satan's agents, and Herod was also Satan's agent, and Herod wanted to kill Jesus, then why didn't the wise men hand Jesus over to Herod?
{Matthew 12:26} If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand?
{Matthew 2:13} Now when they had departed, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream, saying, “Arise, take the young Child and His mother, flee to Egypt, and stay there until I bring you word; for Herod will seek the young Child to destroy Him.
{Matthew 2:1–23} Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men from the East came to Jerusalem, saying, “Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the East and have come to worship Him.”
When Herod the king heard this, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him. And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he inquired of them where the Christ was to be born.
The actual journey of these wise men could easily have taken a long time.
It would appear from {Matthew 2:7} that the star, which the wise men had seen, had appeared at the moment of Jesus’ birth.
But the wise men had arrived after the birth. If they saw the star at the moment of Jesus’ birth, then it would have taken at least a few months for the wise men to arrive.
We should note that Herod wanted to know the exact time the star had appeared, presumably so he could pinpoint the exact moment of this special child’s birth.
{Matthew 2:16} He later proceeded to have all baby boys killed who were two years old and under.
{Luke 2:11} This would indicate that Jesus had been born up to two years previously.
{Matthew 2:11} So the wise men did not arrive at the same time as the shepherds, who arrived the same day as the birth Indeed, Jesus’ family was no longer in a stable; they were living in a house at that time.
So your theory about where you believe the star had fallen on Herod-just shot itself.

Riofidelio:
This is the reason we're coming to knock on your door! Please those called WISE MEN were "Satan's agents" most of them don't know themselves that Satan is using them but by the Spirit of God we can identify them! First of all i want you to know that this people came from Babylon (in the East)Matthew 2:1, Daniel 2:27 The moving Star was a trick to lead Herod the great who wanted Jesus killed to the baby, notice that this "STAR" didn't lead those Astrologers directly to (Bethlehem) where the baby is but to (Jerusalem) to alert Herod the great that the promised Messiah who will overthrow all the kings of the Earth has been born! Daniel 2:44 Had God not step in to avert the danger Jesus would have been killed along with thousands of male babies in Bethlehem.Matthew 2:16-18 That's Satan's intention for manipulating a "Star" to lead the Astrologers(Wise men) all the way from Babylon (Iraq) to Israel.So we're not easily deceived by mere gifts my friend because we have the Spirit of discernment to know the purpose of the gift and the Spirit behind such motives!

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Your Reaction When Jehovah Witnesses Knock On Your Door? by brocab: 12:33pm On May 17, 2018*

But yet when Jesus was born He was given gifts on His birthday!
{1 John 3:16} This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers and sisters.
But JW's believe to gain God's approval is to remain separated from the world, which means we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren, even if it means giving blood to save one's life. "And it is God's approval to love one another..
Would you Riofidelio give blood to save your beloved brother sister, mother father child, all would you prefer them to die without knowing the true love of God?

Riofidelio:
God bless you my friend, Well we're not coming to invite people to social gatherings, our mission is to "preach and teach",during the course of teaching you'll learn about some traditions and customs that's UNSCRIPTURAL,this means such activities or events are BAD in God's sight so those practicing pure worship won't participate in such customs. Take for example BIRTHDAYS, throughout the Bible there appears TWO birthdays (Pharaoh Genesis 40:20 and Herod Matthew 14:6) We noticed that these two individuals aren't worshippers of the true God,There motive has nothing to do with fear of God or respect for HIS laws,That's why they did horrible things just to show people how great they are. Secondly God has warned HIS people not to copy any of the customs of pagans, that's why you'll never see anywhere in the Bible HIS loyal and faithful worshippers celebrate birthday,Ecclesiastes 7:1 says the day of death is much more important than that of birth that's why Jesus commanded His followers to remember Him the DATE He died(saying He has come to fulfill God's laws),His parents never celebrated His birthday, He never did, His Apostles(closest confidants) never did and following their footsteps is what qualifies us as Christians! So if people today have decided to start eulogising birthdays celebration(as every religion have approved it) we who are trying to gain God's approval will remain separate from the world! John 17:14 Once again my friend i'll say God bless you as you continue listening and learning what the love of God means.1John 5:3

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Your Reaction When Jehovah Witnesses Knock On Your Door? by brocab: 12:06pm On May 17, 2018*

Yes Jesus was saying this to them, those who claim to be Christian, don't you understand, by their fruit we will know them!

Riofidelio:
This has brought back the question "how will a none believer who knew nothing about God's word and having no access to social media know the truth or recognize the fruit?"

If you were really honest to yourself, you know in your heart you don't bring Christ to peoples homes, you bring Watchtower literature about Jehovah.

Riofidelio:
Jesus was talking to those who ALREADY believe in Him, telling them how to recognise and avoid Apostates not to those who knew nothing about Him! So how can someone who knew nothing about Him know today?

Well it's simple-before I knew about Jesus, His name is written in the unexpected places-on Church buildings, it's spoken in the streets, someone knows the name of Jesus-it isn't hidden away from people, His name is everywhere, someone knows the know.

Riofidelio:
Jesus considered the condition of the less privileged in the society many of whom have no access to things money can buy e.g social media!

Your fruit, is about Watchtower literature that talks about Doctor Do Little talking with the animals, this isn't bible doctrine, so it wouldn't matter if you were standing at someones door, still they aren't hearing nor are they receiving the Word of God from you! By their fruit we will know them!
{Luke 21:8} Jesus answered, “See to it that you are not deceived. For many will come in My name, claiming, ‘I am He,’ and, ‘The time is near.’ Do not follow them.
There are many people and groups claiming to be genuine, unique, many groups claim to be the purveyors of ultimate truth. Nowhere is it more disturbing and eternally destructive then when individuals or groups masquerade as true Christians and claim that their church is the true way to God. It shouldn’t be surprising that false Christian cults are so pervasive in these last days. Jesus told us that, “Many will come in My name.” And you do come in Jehovah's name!

Riofidelio:
Jesus surely said "by their fruit you will know" but He wasn't saying this to those who knew nothing about Christianity or the Bible because the qualities of the fruit are ONLY mentioned in the Bible! Galatians 5:22,23 This has brought back the question "how will a none believer who knew nothing about God's word and having no access to social media know the truth or recognize the fruit?" Jesus was talking to those who ALREADY believe in Him, telling them how to recognise and avoid Apostates not to those who knew nothing about Him! So how can someone who knew nothing about Him know today? Jesus considered the condition of the less privileged in the society many of whom have no access to things money can buy e.g social media!

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Your Reaction When Jehovah Witnesses Knock On Your Door? by brocab: 11:22pm On May 16, 2018

In your shoes you will never find the answer below-because what you call Christians is everything against the Word of God.

Riofidelio:
how can a honesthearted person distinguish between the TRUE Christians and those other false religions?

{Matthew 28:18-20} Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you.

Riofidelio:
Remember that the Holy Spirit is ONLY released to operate on believers and not on unbeliever so how can a person with a sincere heart in search of pure worship recognize true Christians practicing pure worship as Christians were recognized in Antioch?

Jesus said: go out unto all the nations and preach His gospel, so how can you believe you are filled with the Holy Spirit, when you know yourself you don't bring to us His doctrine but a watchtower magazine that has nothing to do with the Word of God.
You ask how can we tell between one Christian to another-it's easy, by their fruit we will know them!
Plus we wouldn't be having the conversation if the JW's were preaching the gospel in the first place, but because you refuse to preach the truth, you will always go up against those who are Holy Spirit filled that do preach the truth, either on TV, or radio, or either on youtube, or even better the one and only brocab who is writing to you right now..

Riofidelio:
That's thoughtful of you! So how should Christians preach and teach effectively because Jesus clearly said "go" to where? "preach" to whom? and "teach" who? Matthew 28:19,20 Act 1:6-8. Today there are many religions preaching in the media even masqueraders can claim to be Christians today since there's NO specific form of worship or arrangement that's agreed upon,how can a honesthearted person distinguish between the TRUE Christians and those other false religions? Remember that the Holy Spirit is ONLY released to operate on believers and not on unbeliever so how can a person with a sincere heart in search of pure worship recognize true Christians practicing pure worship as Christians were recognized in Antioch?

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Your Reaction When Jehovah Witnesses Knock On Your Door? by brocab: 11:21pm On May 15, 2018

You may believe you are doing what Jesus had commanded you to do? But the problem with this is, the JW's are not following how Christ had taught us, but following after their own interpretation of misinterpretation of the scriptures..

Riofidelio:
Jehovah's witnesses are claiming we're the only group practicing what Jesus commanded and everyone can testify to the fact though many are saying we're not doing it right, OK who are those doing it right? No answer!

You left out the Mormons, they also do the door to door thing, you claim "Jesus only commanded the JW's to do the door to door preaching.
{Acts 20:20} how I kept back nothing that was helpful, but proclaimed it to you, and taught you publicly and from house to house, and of course I found that" The apostle Paul "sent to Ephesus and called for the elders of the church," and said to them "I taught you publicly and from house to house."
{Acts 20:17-20} Paul taught the leaders of the church in their own homes. {He was not going from house to house, attempting to witness to or persuade whomever opened the door}
And this is another frequently misunderstood scripture: {Acts 2:46} "So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they [the apostles and the new converts] ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart."
These people were all in harmony. They continued "daily with one accord." They were all of the same belief. This verse is simply recording the actions of people who ate meals together as one might have close friends over to his home. But it says nothing about preaching to strangers.
Today, when the gospel is proclaimed, anyone is at liberty to listen or not to listen. The gospel is also being published and sent free of charge to all who request it.
Also, as in the example given in the New Testament, church of God ministers will go into the homes of people who invite them to counsel with them. They will not go uninvited into people's homes to try to persuade and teach them Bible truths. God's truth should never be forced on anyone.
As Jesus remarks in {Matthew 7:6} Speaks for itself "Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.
{2 John 1:10} If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take them into your house or welcome them.
So it is unlikely the apostles did the door to door thing, and It is also legitimate to ask, "Who should we invite into our homes just anyone who is going from house to house trying to persuade us to accept his form of doctrine?"
" {2 John 10-11} The apostle John gives God's instruction: "If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine [the truth of God], do not receive him into your house, nor greet him; for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds [spreading false doctrine]
The example of Jesus Christ and His apostles shows we should not to preach from house to house. Neither should we accept into our homes any peddlers of religion who might show up on our doorstep.

Riofidelio:
Even if masqueraders claims to be Christians there is nothing to disapprove their claims since there is no agreed arrangement on how things should be done. Jehovah's witnesses are claiming we're the only group practicing what Jesus commanded and everyone can testify to the fact though many are saying we're not doing it right, OK who are those doing it right? No answer! Jesus actually condemned all the religious groups He found in Israel just as Jehovah's witnesses are doing today. The only thing Jesus established that's not easy for any religious group to meet up is the preaching and teaching program, so after His death and resurrection many followers of His enemies became Christians! Act 14:1 Why? Because His followers continue doing what He started Matthew 4:17,10:3-22,28:19,20 Today everyone is claiming to be His follower but only Jehovah's witnesses are PRACTICING what He taught His followers though every other religious groups are castigating the JWs saying they're not doing it right. But who are those doing it right? NO other specific group that's widely known like the JWs who are zealously preaching and teaching people what they know across the globe! Well i'm not used to blindly arguing in favour of my father's religion or the religion of my choice, i'm just trying to be sincere!

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Your Reaction When Jehovah Witnesses Knock On Your Door? by brocab: 10:20pm On May 15, 2018

How was the bible written in the first place, if Jesus didn't send them the Holy Spirit-how did the disciples remember everything Jesus taught, if it wasn't for the Spirit to remind them of all things? How do we believe in the gospel without the Spirit, Please explain? Miracles" How did the dead rise, the sick healed, the blind now see, the lame now walk-if the Spirit isn't needed? Everything we do is with the Spirit of God. God gave men great minds to learn and build nations, it was the Spirit of the Lord that moves over the earth, "everything belongs to God, the Spirit of God give's life.
{Job 33:4} The Spirit of God has made me; the breath of the Almighty gives me life.
{Genesis 1:1-3} In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters. Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light.…

Riofidelio:
Being smart is profitable for sure but what baffles me is having to do with the Holy Spirit and learning directly from the Spirit while there is no vivid evidence of what is learnt! "Knowledge is the accumulation of useful information" while "Wisdom is the practical applications of accumulated information for lasting benefits"

So if the Spirit of God isn't useful then He might as well put His feet up and allow the JW's to take over the world..

Riofidelio:
James said "you're saying you have faith" but "i'm saying i have works" show me your faith without works and i will show you my faith through my works because FAITH without WORKS is DEAD! . James 2:17,18 You can say whatever comes out of your mind but as long as there's no visible works,no group practicing what's profitable, no specific organisation to examine and discern

{Romans 10:17} So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Jesus says, “No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him” So then your Christian walk began with faith, and you received that faith from God through His Holy Spirit communicating with you.
{Romans 10:13-17} For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach unless they are sent?
As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace, Who bring glad tidings of good things!”
But they have not all obeyed the gospel. {"No" not even the JW's will believe the gospel}
For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?”
So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. And not even the JW's believe in that either!

Riofidelio:
Being smart is profitable for sure but what baffles me is having to do with the Holy Spirit and learning directly from the Spirit while there is no vivid evidence of what is learnt! "Knowledge is the accumulation of useful information" while "Wisdom is the practical applications of accumulated information for lasting benefits" James said "you're saying you have faith" but "i'm saying i have works" show me your faith without works and i will show you my faith through my works because FAITH without WORKS is DEAD! . James 2:17,18 You can say whatever comes out of your mind but as long as there's no visible works,no group practicing what's profitable, no specific organisation to examine and discern what you're saying i think the Watchtower makes sense because we've got all it takes to prove without saying a word that God's Holy Spirit is in actively WORKING out what's PROFITABLE in our midst! Empty barrels do make lots of noise but if you check inside there is nothing meaning it's not working at all but just noisy. Please i'm waiting to see your students or colleagues as in brethren in my vicinity as a solid proof that you're saying what is REAL like the Jehovah's witnesses who has workers across the globe for preaching and teaching what they know! Matthew 24:14

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Your Reaction When Jehovah Witnesses Knock On Your Door? by brocab: 1:31pm On May 14, 2018*

And if I was a JW I suppose I would think like you do, but if I was smart, I would do what the Word of God tells me to do, "test the Word, to see if everything the Watchtower teaches is correct, but if I am dumb, I would stay as I am, and allow the Watchtower to drag me through the mud much deeper.
But because you haven't enough knowledge to think for yourself, and you need the elders to train you, then everything I have written to you, is pointless, but if you were to study the scriptures, you would know, the elders are just men, teaching you the watchtower literature, which are the things your heart desires.
But if the elders knew, it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is truth. {Not an active force} For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
You wouldn't need to turn to men for the answers-because you would believe everything the Spirit of the Lord has to offer.
{John 14:26, 16:13} But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
{V 16:13} However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.

Riofidelio:
It's OK! I'm sure you've met many of my brothers and sisters and obviously you're convinced that your understanding of the scriptures surpasses our own.But i'm convinced that the Watchtower is the best teacher regarding Bible truths and virtuous deeds what they taught me i preach and teach people anywhere anytime so if you're able to convince others about what you believe to the extent that they also become zealous preachers then i suppose you're also a competent teacher as well. Keep it up so that one of these days your scholars or colleagues could come to my doors and teach me how to preach and teach with confidence(2Timothy 2:1,2) as Watchtower has been able to unite,educate,equipped and made all their scholars respectful,humble and mildtempered preachers(1 Peter 3:15) perhaps you'll be able to convince me by then that you're truly a Christian and that i'm on the road to destruction! God bless you.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 12:37pm On May 14, 2018*

Well if you had read the scriptures in the first place-you will know God calls us to Jesus! Let me say: it really isn't hard to figure that one out.

Yale9:
Lie to people that "GOD CALLED ME"

If I wasn't called into His kingdom, I couldn't preach something I didn't know anything about, for me-it's a lie trying to convince people I am something when I am not-and I don't admire people like you 'trying to force people to believe you are somebody, because you believe you were taught something about religion, that really has little to do with the Word of God...
{John 6:44} Jesus said "No one can come to Me, unless the Father who sent Me draw him: and I will raise him up on the last day.''
Many refer to this verse in an effort to support a man-made doctrine which says that only those whom the Lord "calls'' in some mystical way can be saved. They will say that this calling is some sort of direct operation of the Spirit.
Just like the Catholic's believe only the priest have a special anointing from God to forgive sins..
I don't know where you receive you information from-but Our Lord does draw people to Him, and no one can come to the Lord apart from God's drawing power. But this is not a matter of God electing to save some of us and condemn others of us arbitrarily. Consider: God wants all to be saved, and the reason some are lost is not because God has unconditionally chosen them to be.
The context of Jesus' statement explains how God draws men and women to Himself. There is nothing mystical about it.
{John 6:45} reveals how God draws men unto Himself. "It is written in the prophets, 'And they shall all be taught of God.' Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me."
Every man" (all drawn the same way; by being taught) and "hear" and "learn" and "come", these are not mystical words, they are common, everyday words which are used to describe how it is that people are drawn to Christ.
What is it that is taught and heard and learned? The means or method by which God "calls'' or "draws'' all men is the Gospel.
{2 Thessalonians 2:14} "And it was for this He called you through our gospel, that you may gain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ."
Had you noticed we weren't called through Church tradition, but the gospel was preached to us, that we have chosen to believe..
{Romans 1:16} There is no special, mystical anointing of the Holy Spirit, but rather, the Holy Spirit calls men through the gospel; and it is the gospel that is the power.
God draws people unto Himself through the teaching of the gospel.
{I Corinthians 1:18-21} The preaching of the gospel is God's power, his drawing power, to save.
{Acts 13:45-48} Therefore, all people, when they hear the gospel, at any moment, have the ability to respond to God's gospel call.
They also have the ability to reject it.

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Your Reaction When Jehovah Witnesses Knock On Your Door? by brocab: 12:22am On May 13, 2018*

Your explaining won't change things, your bible tells us Jesus is the Almighty Jehovah..
But if you refuse to believe the Watchtower-then you should be disqualified from the watchtower.
{Revelation 3:15-16} I know your deeds; you are neither cold nor hot. How I wish you were one or the other. So because you are lukewarm — neither hot nor cold — I am about to spit you out of My mouth!
You can't believe one verse and deny the other, you either believe them all, or you don't believe any!

Riofidelio:
There are good reasons to sit down together and discuss this matter at length with other Bible students.You said "Jesus is God" but notice please the text at John 1:1 put it this way "the word (Jesus) WAS God" well in all Bible translations this same verse is rendered this same way "the word WAS God" to any competent student studying the Bible the first thing that will come to mind is "why using a past tense (WAS) when the person still lives?". JWs knew that Jesus actually was made God by someone higher than He is. Exodus 7:1 presently Jesus is no more serving in that capacity because the Holy Spirit granted His followers who later saw Him in His heavenly glory as "standing by the right hand side of another greater person" Act 7:56,1Corinthians 15:27 So there are good reasons to conclude that Jesus did serve as God at a point in time like Moses but presently He has returned to His Father and God.Proverbs 8:22-31,John 20:17 There Jesus clearly told that disciple He has a God that is the God we all should worship,His statement there is evident of the fact that the God we all should worship remains SEPARATE from Jesus and that Jesus Himself worships this same person!

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Your Reaction When Jehovah Witnesses Knock On Your Door? by brocab: 12:20am On May 13, 2018

You can argue against your bible as much as you like, it makes no difference to me, it's the bible the Watchtower had agreed everything that's written is the truth.
Unfortunate your bible is open for us to see, your many bible mistakes, verbally you deny..

Riofidelio:
A careful study of the Bible book of Revelations shows that there are four principal personalities that we must consider there comments (1) John (2) The Angel showing John all things (3) The Alfa and Omega "Jesus" and (4)The Almighty God "Jehovah". While reading with meditation you'll notice that there's lots of dialogue between these four so it's not easy for a person reading or studying in haste to identify or distinguish who is talking unless if you've been reading and studying the Bible from the beginning (Genesis). Jehovah, Jesus, John, The Angel all said one thing or the other, that's why the NWT after considering other texts thoroughly now simplify it for readers to differentiate those involved in the dialogue going on in the Bible book of Revelations.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Your Reaction When Jehovah Witnesses Knock On Your Door? by brocab: 12:06am On May 13, 2018

No one's actually blaming you personally, we blame the Watchtower personally, so don't get yourself all upset, because history tells us everything we need to know about the JW's.
You are just a tiny piece of the puzzle, who thinks you have some sort of bible knowledge, you haven't the slightest idea who Christ is, the only knowledge you have produce is Watchtower literature of magazines of Doctor Do little talking with the animals.
Besides Watchtower magazines, I have never met a JW who have actually opened up a bible at my door, they come and go, usually I am black listed, not because I am rude to them, it's because I question them, they then pass me a Watchtower magazine and leave, "And to be polite, after they go, I put it back in the rubbish bin, and pray no-one else reads them, only because none of it preaches about Christ.
Unfortunately the main attraction with JW's is they look for the less fortunate, they prey on lonely people, trapping them, then training them, nursing them, and teaching them watchtower literature, which doesn't involve bible knowledge at any cost.

Riofidelio:
Dear brocab, with due respect if someone say "i'm coming" of course you'll be expecting to see Him/her in person at the arrival. So let's take for example Muhammad Buhari is Nigeria's President,whatever he says will take effect all over the country therefore the credits and blames are all his own "though there are many others who will enforce his command" yet everyone will say Buhari did this or that. Likewise the Prince of Peace (Jesus) has been doing some things in behalf of the His father (the King) because when someone is referred to as Prince there is sound proof that there must be a King somewhere in who's place the Prince is ruling. In ancient times most Kings do appoint their son to rule over some district please this is the same thing that the Bible is saying and people living in Bible times can understand it.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 11:16pm On May 12, 2018*

It had always been a problem, when the question comes up about the Church, and which Church is built through Christ, and what are the foundations of the Church-Catholic's believe through traditional teaching, it's Peter, the bible tells the Church is built up from the Word of God, that God spoke through Peter.
The Catholic's deny these allegations, Catholic's believe its a million year old building, full of people worshipping images of Queen Dianna, Queen Isis and Queen Mary, the saints, which fell under the Roman empire of Constantine. And yet Constantine didn't fully believe in the Catholic Church until moments before he died..
{1 Timothy 2:3-5} This is good and pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,…
Just like the Catholic Church they seem to think through tradition Mary and the apostles are mediators between God and men. "Denying the Word of God, will cause people to always learn but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Yale9:
its left for everybody to judge this stupid deduction. Not in my category at all.

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