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Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab:
If you believe you are a true believer then take some advise from another strong believer in Christ-just do it for yourself-I don't deny standing back to back with you-when we stood together writing to the JW's and the Catholic's, I am not denying you don't know the Word of God, and no-one is denying God gave the revelation the Jesus, and Jesus gave it to His angel, and the angel gave it to John-no-one is denying that, it is written-end of story.
But In verse 1:12 while John was in the spirit-he heard another voice behind him, John turned, and seen seven golden lambstands and John saw one like the Son of Man, I have searched the scriptures to try and find your beliefs, and I couldn't find your beliefs, the bible does not say in verse 1:12 John seen the angel of the lord-as you believe, in the midst of the lambstands.
John describes Jesus in all His glory, and when John saw Him, John fell at His feet as dead, then the Lord laid His right hand on John and said: Do not be afraid, "I am" the first and the last, "I am" He who lives and was dead, and behold I am alive forevermore.
No-one is denying {Revelation 1} God sent His angel to John-and the angel spoke for Jesus, no-one denying an angel was with John through his vision. John turned as John heard another voice as loud as a trumpet behind him.
I see after reading the scriptures how Jesus and John were close friends-as the bible describes they were-even at the cross, all through John's life he kept his faith towards his true friend Jesus, John was an old man on Patmos when John seen His vision, John fell down as dead-John seen His friend in all His glory, as Jesus described He will be when He is with His Father.
Johno I believed you were a strong believer-a true man of God-everything you wrote was good, but then you changed and you are the one to blame, you turned on me-like a demonic wild animal-calling me names a lair a none believer, you insulted me, abused me-all the the name of Jesus. Ask yourself if you have a heart-is this really you in person-an abuser one that causes disputes amongst the brethren.

Just don't write to me no-more-I need to hear from people who are positive-who love the Lord as much as I do, and I need those who know the scriptures. So we can learn of each other.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 8:17am On Aug 24, 2017
Am I writing to a child-this Is killing you-I have searched the scriptures from all angles-I have read from different view points-and followed up what the brethren had seen-and I have read how they see {verse 12} they see, what I see. {Revelation 1} Obviously God sends His angel to John, which isn't questionable the facts are there-but in {verse 12} John seen and heard another voice behind him and as he turned John seen one like the Son of Man standing in the midst of the lambstands, John seen Jesus-this is the Word of God-and you have the cheek to call me a lair.
All I have done was repeat the Word of God how its written in the bible, which of course you disbelieve-If you choose not to believe it, "don't" who cares, I can't change the Word of God for you-and I can't see, what you see-and if you refuse to explain how you see it-I can't help you see reason.
johnw74:
you must find comfort in copy catting things i said liecab
but from you it's just lies, which of course though, is your way of talking

taking after your father:

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

i know you don't like what i say when putting a liar like you in your place
but to bad liecab, what i say pointing out your lies, false accusing, copy catting, rejecting God's word, etc. etc. is the truth

i'm glad you don't like it, that's my point oh God hater

Mat 7:22  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 
Mat 7:23  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 

Jesus doesn't know you liecab, or others who reject His word.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 6:48am On Aug 24, 2017
I am trying to help you bro-I am also trying to get to the bottom of all this-and all I have been receiving from you is more hatred against me-I felt it is best we see the scriptures together-but you are causing problems between us, your abusive behaviour isn't helping at all. I am not here to judge you in anyway-like I said we learn of each other, this is the way Jesus expects us to learn, maybe you have other idea's, but I am not going down your road to hate one another. All along I have been searching for the answer-everybody I have come across all said: the same-they see, what I see in the scriptures, John see's Jesus in His vision.
I have asked you for your support and all i had received from you was your beloved Christian insults and abuse-so of course I am looking elsewhere to sort your little problem out into the open. This is what the Amplified bible, say's {Revelation 1:12} Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking with me.
And turning I seen seven golden lambstands, and in the midst of the lambstands I saw someone like the Son of Man dressed in a robe reaching to His feet, and with a golden sash wrapped around His chest, His head and His hair were white like white wool {Glistening white} like snow and His {all seeing} eye's like {Flashing} like a flame of fire, {piercing into my being} His feet were like burnished {White hot} bronze refined in a furnace, and His voice was {Powerful} like the sound of many waters. In His right hand He held seven stars, and from His mouth came a sharp two edged sword {Of Judgement} and His face {Reflected His Majesty and the Shekinah Glory} was like the sun shining in {All} its power {At midday}
I still can't see what you see-if this description belongs to an angel-he must be one powerful angel, to have all Jesus's authority, God did say in which of the Angels did He say, you sit here at My right side. And because you refuse to share your views about this verse-I have no-more to say to you-you are just a lair and a deceiver-who causes disputes among the brethren.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 5:47am On Aug 24, 2017
Well in your own words did John see Jesus in the midst of the lambstands-or did he see an angel?
johnw74:
you are the one who doesn't believe the word of God, but you can't stop lying

i don't believe you, you should have said, if you were honest
and i don't believe any rejector of God's word

these are just two verses you reject, i'm sure there would be many more that don't line up with liecab's word that you would reject also:

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 5:45am On Aug 24, 2017
So you enjoy putting lairs in place-just look yourself in the mirror-that will solve your mental nature.
It upsets you-I am not responding to your evil ways-you claim you are a believer, but your evidence proves otherwise-I don't disagree with you in Word, but I disagree with you, how you believe your ways insulting and abusing me with bad language-is a believers deed to another believer in Christ.
If I was to act your way towards another believer, without reason-Jesus would say-I never knew you-get away from Me.
You had fooled me, and you had pulled this off really well-Satan is up to his old tricks again-I believed you were a believer, by the likes of you, you have surely changed my thoughts really fast-a false prophet I do believe.
Satan always uses others so called believers-just like you, he also hides behind the Word of God-using God's Word to try and trap the believers, to follow after him, and of course and you. Isn't this the truth-by their fruit we will know them.
Satan chooses who he works through, he pick you...you sure know how to show your true colours.
I will pray for you-that the Lord will show you things, you have never experience, nor seen, nor heard, that lines up with the Word of God.
johnw74:
cheesy liecab, are you frightened and upset, an abuser, liar and Angry?

as for me, i enjoy putting liars etc. in their place, you haven't noticed by now?

but then lying and accusing comes naturally to you, a follower of the father of lies:

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.



ha ha, what a weak assertion, but typical of you

oh what a tangled web you weave smiley
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 3:37am On Aug 24, 2017
After reading the bible hub commentary, it says this {Revelation 1:12-16} And I turned to see the voice {That is to see Him who's voice it was} And I turned I saw-it seems the vision presented itself gradually, first he heard a voice, and upon looking behind him he saw the golden candlesticks, and than, in the midst of the candlesticks, he saw one like the Son of Man-that is one in a human form, as a man.
Likewise our Lord doubtless appears in Heaven, for not exactly in His symbolical manner, wherein He presents Himself as the head of the Church. John next observed that our Lord was clothed with a garment down to His foot and gird with a golden girdle.

Revelation made Clear, Got questions, Bible org and bible hub can't be all wrong, like you have accused me to be.
I see what they see-John turned and John seen one like the Son of Man in the midst of the golden lambstands.
You believe otherwise-you believe John seen a angel standing in the midst of the lambstands, I had asked you kindly to explain your theory to me, and you had insulted me with great pride, refusing to explain Revelation how you see it.
We all have choices-and obviously you have made yours, your beliefs are your own-I have tested, and I have read Revelation over and over-to find what you found-and still I can't see, what you see.
{Your refusal had led me to find other resources, so I have searched for other bible scholars, to see what they see, and what I see-is what they see, "I couldn't find what you see?
As I had said: we are all learning from each other about the Word of God. Obviously you don't believe that...
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 12:26am On Aug 24, 2017
i haven't twisted any of God's word mr lie
and the way of twisters of God's word, liars and false accusers is not up
Johnw74 denies yet the Word of God, that says: the apostle John turned and seen one like the Son of Man standing in the midst of the lambstands.
johnw74:
i haven't twisted any of God's word mr lie
and the way of twisters of God's word, liars and false accusers is not up

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 12:19am On Aug 24, 2017
denying God's word is denying God, and you mr lie johno are among the worst God deniers in these forums
most are atheists, but you claim to be a child of God, oh blinded and deceived one
johnw74:
u mr lie are completely blinded from rejecting the truth,
most people if they didn't understand would at least believe God, but not you

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.



here is just one of the posts where i showed the truth of the verses
go back and read the others to, which you lie and say i never wrote





denying God's word is denying God, and you mr lie are among the worst God deniers in these forums
most are atheists, but you claim to be a child of God, oh blinded and deceived one
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 12:17am On Aug 24, 2017
It's common sense men that act as you do-is a man of fear.
johnw74:
now there is the demonic mind of mr liecab
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 12:09am On Aug 24, 2017
I wouldn't have never guess Johno-underneath it all, this is really you-a accuser of lies and wonders, you haven't stopped accusing and abusing me over John in Revelation. is this the way-to treat other believers, or is this your way. Rrrright?
I wouldn't be surprised if you were bullied at school

Your behaviour is child's play, you accuse me of false conduct-This must be taring your insides apart, I don't have to agree with you?
Just in these last few's days, I can't believe your attitude, "Wow' how you have changed-Just over John and who he seen in his vision.
I am not your enemy-I have tested and I have read other views from other sources about {Revelation}
And they all see, what I see, John turned and seen Christ in the midst of the lambstands. John didn't see an angel, as you have argued, John seen Christ Himself.
There's nothing I can say-I don't believe you are truly a believer-you aren't acting like one, you either believe in the bible-or you don't.
johnw74:
ha ha, lies just flow through you now continually,
i have shown the truth of the scriptures very well, just read back through my posts mr lie,
even though explanation is not necessary, they are very clear, but you mr lie reject God's word for your own

and the rest of your post is just more lying and accusing, and all because i dared to point out you are
rejecting Gods word
well such is the way of satanists as you like to say it, and I do agree with you on that though.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 11:11pm On Aug 23, 2017
Is there any love left in you at all?
Maybe you need to read the bible, instead of playing with yourself. Man of fear..
johnw74:
i haven't twisted any of God's word mr lie
and the way of twisters of God's word, liars and false accusers is not up

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 10:58pm On Aug 23, 2017
I am now reading this from Revelation made Clear, it say's seeing Jesus and what John saw in {Revelation 1:12-20}
And since you haven't any desire in understanding anything I have said: then to put this all to rest I believe the truth will always reveal itself.
John turns and see who is speaking, when he turns John see's the seven lambstamds.
Verse 1 recalls that these images represent something. This is the book that is written in symbols and we must under stand what the symbols mean, In verse 20 we are told that the seven lambstands present the seven Churches, who were to receive this letter. In the middle of the seven lambstands is one like the Son of Man, {Revelation made Clear} mentioned in there last lesson that the voice of trumpets remind them of {Exodus 19} When there was aloud sound like trumpets as God came to mount Sinai to give the 10 commandments. WE know that the divine is speaking with the additional statement that John see's one like the Son of Man, we know that John see's the Messiah Jesus, recall in {Daniel 7:9-14} we read about the Messiah "called one like the Son of Man who come in the clouds to the Father "called the Ancient of days, The one like the Son of Man Jesus is standing in the middle of the lambstands wearing a long robe with a golden sash around His chest.
This is clothing that is similar to the description of the clothing of Angels when they appear in a vision {Daniel 10:5-6, Ezekiel 9:2} This clothing is also similar to the priestly attire of the old covenant, this makes for an interesting combination since these cloth were worn by the high priest, but also warn by dignitaries, rulers and Heavenly beings, This is the image of authority in all cases, Jesus is pictured in the midst of these seven Churches.Christ is not absent but stands in the middle of these Churches.
This was written by Revelation made Clear"
O Bible.org. Says the same {Revelation 1:12-13} After hearing the voice of the Lord, John turned and saw seven golden lambstands.
Got Questions also says: John the apostle see's the glorified Christ in a vision Jesus is standing among seven golden lambstands. {Revelation 1:13,16}
Same with Bible Gateway it say the Vision of the Son of Man.
Question are they wrong too? Are we all your enemies because we all read the same verses. You did say a blind man could see this-then how come you can't see what everybody else see's.?
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 12:48pm On Aug 23, 2017
Come on blind man explain the bible?
{Revelation 1:12-18} you don't because John had a vision of Christ?
Show me in word where John seen the angel standing in the midst of the lambstands and while John was with the angel-who was the other angel that spoke behind John" that sounded like a trumpet-and John fell down as dead, But "He" laid His right hand on John saying do not be afraid I am the first and the last {Verses 18} I am He who lives and was dead and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Hades and of death. In my bible it doesn't say the angel said it is the Lord that said these last words.
Am I hearing you right? you believe John at no time had seen Jesus in Revelation at anytime-the voice behind John wasn't Jesus but an angel of Jesus? And everything that was said: in Revelation isn't Jesus?
johnw74:
Rev 1:1  The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

God gave Jesus revelation, and Jesus sent it to John by His angel


Rev 22:16  I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things ....

Jesus had sent His angel to testify-witness Jesus's God given revelation to John



Rev 1:12  And I turned to see the voice that spake with me ....

when John turned around to see who was talking to him
according to God's word it was Jesus angel

what did Jesus angel testify-witness to John?
A. the revelation that God gave to Jesus, and that Jesus sent to John by His angel

one would think even a blind man could see it, but no, false accusers, liars, and the like, cannot:

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 12:23pm On Aug 23, 2017
Then stop your lying-and have part with the Lord with all believers, I will sit beside you on the way up into heaven..
johnw74:
you just say whatever suits you at the time
a liar has no part with God:

1Jn 5:10  He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.



Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab:
I had ask you to explain it in your own words-about Revelation-It may have given me some understanding how you see the scriptures, and why you believe John didn't see Christ after turning around. And why don't you believe John had a vision of Christ? All I received from you was your abuse, and gave me no explanation to explain why you believe John didn't see Christ, but only an angel.
By your reactions-I can see you can't explain the scriptures like others can.
I didn't give you a shotgun to shoot me down, I only asked a simple question-could you explain the scripture in your own words.
Ok you aren't a person who can explain words, that's all you had to say, "arguing over nothing-is truly pointless-Your interpretations are right out of hand, Try sitting back, think before you write anything and listen, I could act like you-jumping up and down screaming across the valley, but i would ratter sit down and listen to your abuse and insults you have installed for me, lying to yourself convincing yourself-everyone is your enemy.
Try understanding someone else who are trying to reach out-this isn't the case, it's all about you-you believe no-one understand your level of understanding, try reaching out to somebody, this could help you see something you have never experience nor seen, nor heard, about the Lord.
Abuse is like meeting people on the street, who are really frighten within themselves-they find ways to stop their fear, abuse is to act to protect, putting down the people, is their way, they feel they had won.
You are only upsetting yourself, to be honest is it worth it-abusers are liars-Angry you may feel-didn't the Lord teach you in your bible you must be patient and slow to anger?
Listen if you can't explain the scriptures in your own words don't. I see Revelation as I understand it-John seen Christ in his vision. You believe otherwise, please don't tell me! Jesus is Micheal the archangel.
johnw74:
Jesus angel didn't only show John things, he also gave John witness to the Word of God, and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, you are such a deceiver leaving that out




in your rejection of God's word you are lying yet again, and adding to God's word
it is not said John was standing next to an angel when he heard a voice behing him

Rev 22:18  For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:




you mr lie are wallowing in a sea of lies false accusing and confusion
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 10:14am On Aug 23, 2017
At first this is what I wanted to believe, but with your so called attitude recently mouthing off-I just don't believe it.
I give everybody ago-but calling me a satanist-when I myself believe, I can't be bothered with people like you..
You aren't worth a argument.
johnw74:
cheesy ha ha, although the bolded is true, you mr lie, just say anything that suits you at the time
in other words you lie, and who is your father of lies

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 3:46am On Aug 23, 2017
Then you are not a true believer-Mr know it all.
Everyone of us learn the scriptures everyday-The lord uses us to learn and teach the word of God-but obviously you aren't neither of them.
johnw74:
yes, all who put there own words before God's word are
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 3:36am On Aug 23, 2017
Don't call one the the Lord's children satanist-who do you think you are?
You have never been the one who can explain yourself-but only insult others by throwing the Word of God-against them-you are a bible basher, explaining verses is some ones best tool to work with-don't just demand-Jesus didn't throw the Word against people-so why should you.
We are all learning about the Word of God everyday-but we can't learn around people like you, I had asked you to explain your own words how you see the scriptures-and this is how you respond.

So I will start to explain my bible of {Revelation 1} The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants-things which must shortly take place.
And He sent and signified it by His Angel to His servant John, Who bore witness to the Word of God, and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, and the all things that he saw.
{So the angel of the Lord showed John things}
{Verse 9} I John both your brother and companion in tribulation, and the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was on the Island that is called Patmos for the Word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ.
I was in the spirit on the Lord's Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet, saying "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last and what you see write it in a book and sent it to the seven Churches.
{The angel stood beside John as John heard a voice behind him}
{Verse 12} Then I turned to see the voice that spoke to me, And having turned I saw seven golden lambstands, and in the midst of the seven golden lambstands one like the Son of Man, clothed in a garment down to His feet and girded about the chest with a golden band. His head and His hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and His eye's like a flame of fire.
{Verse 17} And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right Hand on me, saying to me, Do not be afraid: I am the First and the Last. I am He who Lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.
Since you are having trouble explaining the scriptures-as I have asked you to do-Are you telling me, while John was standing with the angel-John didn't see Christ, It wasn't Christ that spoke behind him-that John turned around to see?
Which one of the angels did God give His authority too?
johnw74:
you brocab say standing for the truth of the Bible is childish talk and nonsense
but then you have become one of satans false accusers as most Bible opposers do
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 1:36am On Aug 23, 2017
Please explain in your own words-stop the childish talk, really bro-I believed you had some sense. Its a big jump from {Revelation 1-to 22}
johnw74:
and still you continue to deny God's word:

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 1:33am On Aug 23, 2017
Am I also your enemy now?
johnw74:
duh, i call it truth, confused one
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab:
johnw74:
the end times-eschatology, is a subject i'm interested in
there are things happening in the world now that are hinting to the nearness of that time
the build up of russian forces and their allies along the syria Israerl border for one,
do you know of a good endtime forum?
johnw74:
bro, there would be no point in starting an end time thread on nairaland
just look at how the satanists jump in to derail:
https://www.nairaland.com/3994546/christ-ever-come
What do you call this-you say, you are interested in one sentences, and in another-you knock it back-because of the satanists jump into derail?
I love the end times news-as soon as you mentioned it-I thought great-old Johno's into the end-times-and than you shot me in the foot-I try to test everything-I listen too either on the net-or the news-I had an interest with clemtrails, as strange it was I actually had seen these trials flooding the skies, I had noticed from ground view the tree were either dead-or dying-forget about the grass there was none, it was like some sort of a screen was laid above-with planes one after another circling around spraying in one area at a time-a long way from airports-they were spraying something out from the tips of there wings. Who cares if you believed it or not-see it, before you judge it.

johnw74:
and that's what you are now going at great lenghts to do

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.





it's ridiculous to accuse that i'm scared to talk about end times, or about anything for that matter,
but you have now joined the club of false accusers, and why?
A. because i have endeavored to show you that you have said contrary to the Bible on two matters,
1. where you have wrongly used the Bible to show that Jesus is black when the verse doesn't show that at all
2. where u don't believe Bible verses showing that Jesus's Angel gave Revelation to John, but believe your own words instead

on both matters u have written much, opposing God's word, for your own
just like many others do
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 1:05am On Aug 23, 2017
{Revelation 1} John see's the glorified Christ in a Vision, Jesus is standing seven Golden lampstands, in His hand, Jesus holds the seven stars {Revelation 1:13, 16,20} In verse 20 Jesus explains the mystery of the seven stars that you saw in the right hand, and of the seven golden lambstands is this: The seven are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lambstands which you see are the seven Churches.
Now who did you say who's changing the scriptures?
johnw74:
and that's what you are now going at great lenghts to do

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.





it's ridiculous to accuse that i'm scared to talk about end times, or about anything for that matter,
but you have now joined the club of false accusers, and why?
A. because i have endeavored to show you that you have said contrary to the Bible on two matters,
1. where you have wrongly used the Bible to show that Jesus is black when the verse doesn't show that at all
2. where u don't believe Bible verses showing that Jesus's Angel gave Revelation to John, but believe your own words instead

on both matters u have written much, opposing God's word, for your own
just like many others do
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab:
Don't take this any other way bro, but when I read through the scriptures-I test it, some interpretations of bible knowledge sound slightly different, people without the spirit of the Lord try to change the scriptures, they think it should sound the way they believe it will help others to understand it clearly-to be honest-they are removing and adding the word of God-when Jesus said not too.
I myself prefer the KJ's bible-but of course I find the KJ suits my own understanding.
When it comes to the Word-I try to see the bigger picture-I don't just sit on one verse, the spirit of the Lord opens up many verses that lines up to my knowledge of understanding.
God shows us in ways we understand, we are all made in the image of God-but we don't have that same IQ-some are smarter in ways then others-vise are versa, but at least we all know, we are equal in the eye's of the Lord.
As I see the bible, as someone ask-I try to explain to people how simple the bible is written-I explain to them the language they know, I speak in parables, just like Jesus did-and I see why parables were used, it helps people to understand, it gives them the knowledge to know how simple the bible explains itself.
People in genial do ask difficult questions-they try so hard, to try and confuse the bible, I suppose if one doesn't have the answers-hell breaks loose, I have found it harder to share the Word of God with Christians, then talking with the atheist, because they are cold for God-not lukewarm like most Christians come across to be.
It must be hard at times with you to brother-I am sure you would have those difficult questions people try to argue about-it must blow your mind-just as much as it blows their minds, what I had learnt over the years-people are looking for simple answers because the Word of God is simple. People run away because people don't explain it the way the Lord had written it.
Jesus said if you don't come as little children, you will never enter the kingdom of God {Matthew 18:3}
And its a shame you don't want to go down that road and open up a new tread about end time news, you did say you have an interest in this end time theory , there's a lot going on, and someday the Lord will come back as He said He will, but in the mean time-we could stop hiding from under our beds and speak out into the open.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab:
This shows we aren't on the same track bro-believing is something I do quite well-understanding the scriptures is another-but what you are not understanding is how I understand them, I know what the scriptures say-but I don't stop there-I see a bigger picture to it, I don't see just one verse-written in black and white-I see John fainting before the Lord-this is the description John fell down like he is dead, I look further into the bible and try to find other scriptures-that flow's with what John had seen and heard, every thing in the bible interest me, and of course you had pointed out the scriptures, and I of course have open them up along with my own thoughts I have learnt from reading the bible, so I see a bigger picture bro-I don't stop at Revelation 1.
John see's and heard the glorified Christ in a vision, Jesus was standing amongst 7 golden lamp-stands! Samuel in the other hand heard the voice of God, but did not recognise it, until it was instructed by Eli. {1 Samuel 3:1-10}
This story sounds like Johns story-John heard the Lord's voice and did not recognise it, at first, until he turned-but bro John knew he heard the voice of the Lord, John knew it wasn't the angels voice, this voice came from behind John, so he turned around, like Samuel he knew it was God's voice, but he didn't recognise it-it would have been quite rare in those day's without having the bible.
It's quite simple to understand, plus it is common sense-I have had friends behind me-calling out my name-sometimes voices can be deceiving, and I turn around to see who's calling.
John had enough sense to know it wasn't the angel speaking with him-but another voice came up behind John, and John turned to see who it was and John seen it was one like the Son of Man.
{Revelation 1:9-12} I was in the spirit on the Lords day-and I heard behind me a loud voice as of a trumped saying I am the Alpha and the Omega the first and the last, "What you see write in a book and send it the to 7 churches.
Then I turned around a saw the voice that spoke to me, one like the Son of Man.
johnw74:
bro it's a matter of believing the Bible, you may not understand the verses,
John said Jesus gave the revelation to him by His Angel:

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:



And Jesus Himself said at the end of the revelation, that He had sent His angel to testify to John:

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 7:55am On Aug 21, 2017
Yes you are right-not everything we watch in the net is all true-but you need to understand this talk is out there-chemtrail conspiracy or not-this is only a small piece of the puzzle.
If we were to go back in time a little-no-one had seen trials such as these across the skies, planes flying low through the night skies and of course during the day-I have been looking into the skies, and this is what I had seen myself-I was parked on a mountain and I seen planes one by one flying in the same direction-one other another spraying trails across the sky.
I found it to be quite strange-to see these planes flying minutes apart from each other, low as they were one after another spraying. When I actually seen it myself, and the differences it makes above-after the planes have finished, and the format it leaves in the skies are some what unusual, it looked more like a large screen being painted up above.
I test everything I hear-I even test the spirit and line it up with the Word of God, and I have seen some pretty strange happenings, but I suppose one will have to see it, before believing it.
johnw74:
@bold, You have to be careful of believing all that is said on the internet though, bro

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A high-flying jet's engines leaving a condensation trail (contrail)

The chemtrail conspiracy theory is the claim that long-lasting trails, so-called "chemtrails", are left in the sky by high-flying aircraft and that they consist of chemical or biological agents deliberately sprayed for unknown purposes undisclosed to the general public.[1] Believers in the theory argue that normal contrails dissipate relatively quickly and that contrails that do not dissipate must contain additional substances.[2][3] These arguments have been dismissed by the scientific community: such trails are normal water-based contrails (condensation trails) that are routinely left by high-flying aircraft under certain atmospheric conditions.[4] Although proponents have attempted to prove that the claimed chemical spraying does take place, their analyses have been flawed or based on misconceptions.[5][6]

Because of the persistence of the conspiracy theory and questions about government involvement, scientists and government agencies around the world have repeatedly explained that supposed chemtrails are in fact normal contrails.[2][7][8]

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Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab:
Well with my own experiences-either I am asleep or awake-I hear the voice of the Lord-either I was in the spirit-I don't know, God knows, I heard the voice of the Lord speaking with me through the scriptures, I am either awake or a sleep-my spirit knows the Lord's voice-usually the night before I pray to the Lord, and through the night the Lord speaks to my unconscious sleep, many times I have woken up repeating the scriptures I had received from the Lord through the night. Bro everybody who follows Christ, either in the spirit or in their flesh knows the voice of the Lord-As He said: My sheep know My voice..
I have also had encounters with the demonic-trying to make some kind of a deal with me-of course I say get away from me in the name of Jesus.
I believe through the thundering voice John heard, John knew it was Jesus, Jesus had already told His disciples God the Father had given Jesus all His authority.
And on the Lord's day, I was in the spirit, and I heard behind me a voice like a trumpet-this voice made John turn around-and John seen one like the Son of Man, bro to be honest even the disciples were fearful, "they may have recognised Moses and Elijah on the mount talking with Jesus, but they seen them in spirit, which is unusual. I am sure John's story would have felt the same.
{Mark 9:5} The disciples did not know what to say because they were greatly afraid.
John's story would have felt the same, not knowing the unknown is fearful-John seen Jesus in the spirit-this was something John was not used too, John heard right, he knew the voice, but John didn't recognise the description, it frightened him, and he fell down as if he was dead. Jesus then put His hand on John assuring John it is I the Lord.
It would be quite scary not knowing the unknown in any case.
When I see scriptures such as these-I think of my own interpretations, and my own experiences, walking with the Lord-is something I like to take very seriously-and when I see the scriptures such as this one-it brings me back to the other scriptures-about what the Lord had said: for Some reason, I can't believe John didn't know the Lord's voice-when Jesus say's in scripture His sheep knows His voice-how could anybody forget?
johnw74:
@underline,
John didn't turn around because he recognized Jesus voice bro,
John turned around to see who it was that was speaking to him

Rev 1:12  And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; 
Rev 1:13  And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. 

then John fell down as if dead, John would not have been fearful if he knew that it was Jesus,
and Jesus-the first and the last, let John know through His Angel just who He was(I am he that liveth, and was dead ....)

Rev 1:17  And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 
Rev 1:18  I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab:
Starting a end time tread-could open up a hole new meaning-people may even come out of the wood works-to share their personal stories-they had experience themselves as a Christian, people may share their dreams and visions they received from the Lord-Plus I had already started writing some end time stuff on this forum some years ago, bro-the point is, some people have already started taken note what is happening around them-even in their own Churches they can see the changes, it is important to be up front with people bro-Jesus was up front when He said: we can discern the weather-but we can't discern the end times to come.
We are watchmen-this is our destiny to preach the gospel-it is also our destiny to sound the trumpets when trouble is coming our way, not everyone is willing to listen, but those who are interested, are always seeking for the truth..
Of course people will argue the point, but deep down if they really thought about it, they themselves would recognise the facts are standing at their doors.
The internet is full of end time news-flying in all directions, we are lucky enough to have the net-before it was word of mouth-and the time people retrieved any news, it was either to late-or its just began.
You say you are interested in the end times-then give me what you have.
If our local media informed us-we are on the blink of war-people would prepare themselves-but the media don't tell us-and the people live their normal lives, and if someone does push the button, no-one would know, their world had ended.
Word of mouth is our best shot-not everything is listened-people have kept there mouths shut-because people don't listen-it would have been hard to write the bible at first-like it would have been hard to listen to Jesus and His disciples-at the time they were laying their hands on people raising the dead, Most people don't believe until they see the evidence in front of them, but their is always something out there that will hit them so hard, they can't seem to refuse to disbelieve-because they had experience it themselves.
johnw74:
bro, there would be no point in starting an end time thread on nairaland
just look at how the satanists jump in to derail:
https://www.nairaland.com/3994546/christ-ever-come
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab:
The Lord: Told us we will be able to discern the seasons, Today will be stormy, for the sky is red and overcast, O ye hypocrites you can discern the face of the sky, but you can't read the signs of the times.{Matthew 16:3}
I have a friend bro-a Christian man I know well, he say's he likes everything simple concerning the bible-but he doesn't believe these end times are standing at our doors now, he isn't alone, because many Christians bro-think the same as he thinks, I have been called all sorts of names by Christians-I was even called a warlock, I can feel how the disciples must of felt because of my faith in Jesus-which reminds me-of the past-when the Catholic Church castrated believers burnt to the stake because they themselves believed.
Christians haven't the slightest idea-what the world brings, nation against nation, kingdom against kingdom-people look for WW3 to begin-but already the war had already began-we just need to look on our own door steps and find disbelieving Christians already turning their backs and arguing over the Word of God.
Many believe they will enter into heaven without a dealt-because they read their bibles-others believe their works will take them into heaven.
Christians have always relied on this, as their guarantee to go, Jesus warns us of these end time events and-already in parts of the world we hear of wars against Christians-burnt alive-castrated-butchered, and shot in the name of Jesus.
It really makes me wonder when Jesus said: get away from Me, I never knew you. Christians don't realise the tribulation had already began-and many of us will suffer having that horrible death just like Jesus and His disciples had describe it will be.
Christians are already experiencing God given dreams and visions, I have heard of dreams about the believers prolonged in some sort of prison type system-waiting for their numbers to be called to face death under the guillotine. Prolonging means sentence without reason.
In America they had built Fema camps filled with coffins that could hold at least five bodies, Fema camps placed with guillotines waiting for the Day Government authorities take over the world-don't forget 95% of the world's population.
These same images reminds me of the day's Hitler wanted power over the Jews.
These so called Fema camps are all filled with large Gas clambers, beside railway tracks, and the security is over rated.

These are the small issues happening right under our noses-and no-one is interested-I suppose when the time comes-at least the Lord warned us these things will come to past.
In America they have tablets built on stone just like the 10 commandments, showing them openly in public, there commandments show their plans the authorities have in mind are to destroy 95% of the worlds populations, so 500.000.000 rich men and women will be left upon the earth, this is crazy stuff-but it's out there, the Twin Towers were to be of interest-the banks pulled their shares out 2 weeks before the Towers fell.
Churches aren't Church anymore-the music pumping-the tithes are collected-the 20 minute sermon is spoken, and its time to go, these are just some of the little things people aren't searching for, prosperity preachers-ripping off Churches, Christians chase after mammon before they chase after God, these are the little things people aren't noticing anymore, and no-one seems to recognise these small details, people are just looking at the larger pictures. We can discern the weather, but can we discern the end of time.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab:
Well this is one of my interest too-I love the Word of God-I want to know the in's and out's what Jesus meant about these end of times, and this is what I had found that is quite interesting-There are plenty of forums over the net-I think the best is to see how the world had changed around you. We just need to go to church to see what {1 Timothy 6:3-5} Is talking about-Christians not obeying the Word of God but ratter allowing prosperity preachers rule other them-Men of corrupt minds destitute of the truth-who think that godliness is the means of financial gain.
This is the real revelation we should be focusing on, Jesus had given us these warnings all through the scriptures, so when these times come to pass we will recognise them standing at our door.
The Governments in every country controls the media, the Lord is using watchman through the internet, so you and I can-see the end is near.
The chip-is here, either it is placed on our foreheads or our right hand, it's here-people in genial are retrieving these chips because of technology, people haven't the slightest idea-what they are walking into-I have heard Christian pastors claiming to receive the mark of the beast-and believe they can still worship God.
What about the rumors of wars Russia China, Nth Korea America everywhere around the world are lining there armies up along there borders, ready for war. Jesus had warned us these things will come to pass-and sure enough we are standing on the edge-of it all.
The believers we think we have knowing for so long-have falling away from the truth-Christians-refusing to share the Word of God, but rather keep quite fearing someone may recognise them to be a believer, the Love of God-is far from them-some believe hiding will save them away from the enemy, Jesus talks about the end of day's Christians don't read Revelation-Daniel, Matthew, Mark, Luke.
The larger Churches in the world are packed with Christians from all walks of life, running after prosperity, bro, they are serving Mammon rather than serving God.
Every street corner has cameras-every store-the modern technology have hidden cameras built in computers Televisions phones, etc, the Illuminati-controls every system-the world has to offer.
Had you read about the "CERN" a seven mile round system scientists believe they can find ways to discover how the world began, "CERN" this could help destroy the world-when in operational.
This is the revelation the Lord warns us about-people don't read enough of the bible to know these things are coming, I myself had spoken out-and Christians call me crazy-I am crazy because I believe everything to Lord said: it will happen.
Even on this same forum bro on end times-I have written some pretty interesting things-you may already be aware off.
News about end time event's are everywhere-not only Christians, but the atheist are talking.
I am always open to end time news-so feel free to inform me-on any news you may find-I am always interested.
Strange things are happening, people are talking about these dates-Aug 21 2017-and Sep 23?
Movies can be used as signs about end times, cartoons had played an interest.
Jason A on you tube is quite interesting, read about the Fema camps in America, read about Obama buying 33.000 guillotines, already the Christians are being slaughtered around the world-not only Christians but everyone may be in trouble sooner then we think.
Christians having dreams of invasion of UFO's-the Clem-trials-and the strange signs in the clouds, loud strange noises are heard across the nations.
The Governments are building deep underground bunkers, like cities. This is crazy stuff bro, but to be honest Christians are turning their heads away-this is not happening-Christian aren't reading their bibles bro, Earthquakes in various places-everything the bible tells us is all coming to pass, floods, hurricanes-strange weather patterns, hail stones as big as golf balls-and larger, people are running to and fro, no-one is safe-terrorist-from all walks of life-are even using vehicles to terrorise.
These are the little things and the days are becoming shorter, Blood red Moons, rivers turning into blood, the fish are washed up on the beaches, the birds are dropping out of the skies, these are just the little things Christians turn away from.
Homosexual marriage-the Church had turned their hearts away from the Lord-the Church had accepted this lie into our community. Homosexuals leading Churches, priest-pastors, Pope Francis say's who is he to judge" the Lord said: by their fruit we will know them-this is against the Word of God-God loves everybody, but God hates the sin. Adam and Eve "Not" Adam and Steve. Does anybody believe anymore.
And these are just the beginning of sorrows.
johnw74:
the end times-eschatology, is a subject i'm interested in
there are things happening in the world now that are hinting to the nearness of that time
the build up of russian forces and their allies along the syria Israerl border for one,
do you know of a good endtime forum?
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab:
Ok, I hope we are on the same track explaining this topic with each other-I assure you I am not in argument with you-but If we look at a bigger picture-it is important how Jesus is described to the world, most people see Jesus images before they would even think of believing in Jesus Himself, having a false outlook of Jesus can turn the world around, and when the Antichrist comes in full view-he will show himself the way the world see's Jesus. Look at the Pope-he shows himself as the god of the world-another false image, And who will follow after the beast.
The artifact's we have seen of the Egyptians-in paintings or other artifacts they found in the past-none were white-some are black, and some tan, blown colour-Jesus wasn't white-the heat of the day-would have changed any mans colour-Joseph Mary and Jesus blended in with the Egyptians when Herod was looking for him, the Jesus the Catholic's had describe Him to be-white-is given Jesus a hole new identity, blonde hair blue eye's, this isn't the description we retrieve in spirit, nor is it His description when He roamed the land.

Moses up on the mount didn't see God-as the bible tells us no-one had seen God at anytime-but the Lord sent an angel in the presents of God. {10 commandments.}
John in the other hand also had an encounter with God-John seen One like the Son of Man standing before him, either it was an angel-like Moses had seen-because No-one had seen God at anytime-all John did see Jesus standing before him in spirit and flesh, John recognised the voice of Jesus, John knew.
{Revelation 1:17} Said: "Do not be afraid, I am the first and the last.
John gave a good description of Jesus-One like the Son of Man-doesn't actually say it was an angel, like the Moses story the Lord sent His angel.
Jesus said: My sheep follow Me-He also said: My sheep know My voice-John turned around because John knew Jesus's voice.
Have you ever had a encounter with a strange presents around you-knowing something is watching you-either it is good or evil, they are scary, Jesus's disciples fell down in fear-seeing Moses and Elijah in spirit standing with Jesus, John's first encounter in spirit-would have been terrifying at first, he may have been shaking up-about his hole ordeal, One like the Son of Man-John's last encounter with Jesus in the flesh-and not in the spirit-would have knock John around.
johnw74:
the brass-bronze reference is to Jesus immortal spirit body
not to His fleh human body, it is diffrent, i would say it's how the Word of God looked before He became man
and as he now again looks:


(Rev 1:14) His head and his hair were white like wool-like snow. His eyes were like flames of fire.

(Rev 1:15) His feet were like glowing bronze refined in a furnace. ....
.... His face was like the sun when it shines in all its brightness.

even though it is actually Jesus Angel, i reckon He also looks like Jesus,
He has all of the authority of Jesus and talks as if He is Jesus

Rev 1:1  The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev 1:12  And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; 
Rev 1:13  And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

Rev 22:16  I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 7:50am On Aug 18, 2017
Well if you look at copper, bronze-it isn't white-Jesus wasn't recognisable-as what the Catholic's had made Him to be-He wasn't easy to pick out of the crowd-the pharisees who had seen Him, couldn't find Him-they needed help from Judas.
It does matter-to the believers today-how the bible describes Jesus-{Isaiah 53:2-10} For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant, and as a root out of dry ground, He has no form of comeliness, and when we see Him, there is no beauty that we should desire Him, He is despised and rejected by men, A man of sorrows and acquainted with grief; and we hid, as it were, our faces from Him, He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.
It does matter how the Catholic Church had identified Jesus, they had completely given Jesus a new identity.
Jesus said: you believed because you have seen Me-blessed are those who have not seen Me, and believed. False images or information will always lead people up the wrong path.
Hows is this verse-{John 5:43} I have come in My Fathers name-and you do not accept Me-But if someone else comes in his own name you will accept him.
Lets look at this verse-Jesus had come in His own Name-and the world had rejected Him. The Pope had come in his own name-and the world had accepted him. Isn't this true? It is important how we describe Jesus-the world see's Pope Francis as the god on earth.
johnw74:
i don't think it matters if two thousand years ago
Jesus and jews were white or black, or in between,
He didn't have blue eyes and long hair as portrayed by rcc and most others

Jesus feet in His immortal state are described in revelation as being like "fine brass" or "glowing bronze"
which is a gold colour or similar to polished copper and brass,



KJV Rev 1:15  And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; ....
GW Rev 1:15  His feet were like glowing bronze refined in a furnace. ....


"fine brass "glowing bronze"
G5474
χαλκαλίβανον
chalkalibanon
khal-kol-ib'-an-on
Neuter of a compound of G5475 and G3030 (in the implied mean of whiteness or brilliancy); burnished(polished) copper, an alloy of copper (or gold) and silver having a brilliant lustre: - fine brass.
Total KJV occurrences: 2


"burned in a furnace" "refined in a furnace"
G4448
πυρόω
puroō
poo-ro'-o
From G4442; to kindle, that is, (passively) to be ignited, glow (literally), be refined (by implication), or (figuratively) to be inflamed (with anger, grief, lust): - burn, fiery, be on fire, try.
Total KJV occurrences: 6
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab:
And with the description Revelation had given us-Jesus's feet were like bronze in a furnace-when bronze burns it's black-Joseph was called in a dream-to take Mary and the Child to Egypt-and wait there until the Lord calls, the Egyptians back then were black-and if Jesus was white with blue eye's, Herod would easily pick Him out from the crowd.
How about the story when Judas gave up Jesus-the Pharisees couldn't recognise Jesus-they hated Jesus, and yet they asked Judas-which one is He, Judas said the one I kiss is He. If Jesus was white-the Pharisees wouldn't have any problems picking Jesus out from the crowd, instead they asked Judas which one is He.
How about the story when Jesus hid Himself in the crowd-so the Pharisees and scribes couldn't find Him. The Catholic Church had surely twisted their doctrines-they have given Jesus a new identity-one that doesn't match up with the Word of God. And plus It's quite strange hating somebody you don't even know..
The Jews in this day and age-have mixed cultures, some are blacker then others-some have white skin. if Jesus looked like these descriptions the Church had describe Him to be-than why the many different pictures painted of Jesus, Mary and the saints-why are all the statues different from the other? There is only one reason to this question, because none of their descriptions describes any of the above.
Have you ever wondered in this day and age why the Catholic Church refuses the Word of God-Jesus's true colour is either black or blown?
We have heard time and time again-Catholic's actually believe they are above all, Catholic's need these artifacts from the past-images of god's-goddess, just to keeps that old pagan tradition alive, none of them reflect to Christ, nor Mary nor any of the saints.
Its a control thing bro-the Church control the people-and everyone who disbelieves-were either castrated from the past, Pope Francis is trying to call all Churches together joining the church once again, Pope Francis wants the control-in the New World Religion-under the New World Order. The past is now the future.
{John 20:29} "Because you have seen Me, you have believed, blessed are those who have not seen Me, and believed.
johnw74:
yeah bro, no one knows exactly how Jesus looked, but being jewish on His mothers side
it's unlikely He had blue eyes, and He didn't have long hair like a woman as is depicted of Him in many paintings

1Co_11:14  Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
^^^ Paul would not have said that if Jesus had long hair.


u were right bro in describing how Jesus looks now in His immortal body:

(Rev 1:13)  There was someone like the Son of Man among the lamp stands. He was wearing a robe that reached his feet. He wore a gold belt around his waist.

(Rev 1:14)  His head and his hair were white like wool-like snow. His eyes were like flames of fire.

(Rev 1:15)  His feet were like glowing bronze refined in a furnace. His voice was like the sound of raging waters.
(Rev 1:16)  In his right hand he held seven stars, and out of his mouth came a sharp, two-edged sword. His face was like the sun when it shines in all its brightness.

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