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johnw74:
no bro, dictus was being sarcastic, lying-falsely accusing, again

i said thank you, not because he was being sincere, but because his statment(bolded) in reality is true



the church of the saints is also free from sin in Christ,
but dictus wouldn't understand or believe any of that

he good false accuser though

johnw74:
@bold, thank u 4 saying that dictus, and i agree with u for once
the other is of course just more typically confused garbage-lies and false accusing from u, rc dictus

1Co_14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Dahustler007:
Bro. You're not GOD to tell who hates or Loves Him
Only GOD can Judge us
Just Hold On to what You Believe
Let others Hold on to what they Believe
We Throwing Shots at each Other's Believe makes
No Point.

Growing-up I knew I was Serving a Living GOD now you telling me all my Life I've been Serving Idols.... It's all Cool... Say what you Feel about the Catholic Church that won't Change Nothing.


I WAS BORN A CATHOLIC, I'LL DIE A CATHOLIC AND LEMME PERISH IN HELL IF BEING A CATHOLIC MEANS I HATE GOD!!!!




Twas nice meeting y'all, I'm done talking..
GOD Bless Us All
I won't answer any quote

Dahustler007:
Thanks a lot
I'd really appreciate you
We don't worship images or Idols and there's nothing bad in bowing down to them. You can't tell me bowing down to greet an Elder means you're worshipping him.
Imma hold on to what I Know!

Dahustler007:
Yeah, I gotta appreciate you Bro.
Love the way you're taking the issue, you're a Real one
But that doesn't mean imma yield to what you've said.


JESUS CHRIST Revealed himself to Saint Maria Faustina and he instructed her to paint a picture of him which should be used when reciting the Three O'clock Prayer of Divine Mercy! Does that mean we're worshipping the Image of Jesus Christ??
No, we're worshipping GOD.
Just like an apparatus that'll aid in carrying a project.

johnw74:
ha ha, yeah 007 is no james bond

johnw74:
God said not to bow down to them, but u don't believe what God says, and u do bow down to them, because u hate God:

(Exo 20:4) Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
(Exo 20:5) Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

Dahustler007:
God Appeared, has been appearing and he'll keep appearing to people and telling them what ought be done, you might be next who knows?

Those doctrines ain't Evil Cause it's all about LOVE
Yeah we you'd Love GOD and Our Neighbors and we making an image of GOD doesn't show we hate him, Cause GOD himself appeared to Saint. Maria Faustina and he told her to paint a picture of him which we use today in the Divine Mercy Prayer.

Bro. I'll advice Us to just forget this discussion let's just concentrate on Loving GOD and Ourselves.

Dahustler007:
you think what we Catholics are doing is wrong why not keep praying for our conversion since we're Idol Worshippers.
Since you're the Real Christian that Worships GOD rightly

Dahustler007:
Tell me if praying to the SAINTS and VIRGIN MARY the Mother of JESUS CHRIST to intercede for us is wrong.

Bro. Don't you have images of your Loved ones at Home?? Or images of GOD or your Pastors in Church?

We Bow down to them but we're not worshipping them, and we bowing down to those images or statues is not for them but for the person of GOD they Portray! I keep saying this.

Let's just let this issue slide bro. We've talked a lot

Dahustler007:
We're just moving in a Circle, you said this same thing which I said we don't worship those images and we bow in the name of GOD not any Image for what it is... Bro. Let's just let this issue slide cause a lot of people have argued this even our Church leaders did same.

We just pray nobody is wrong and we'd make heaven.
But if you think what we're doing is wrong then do us a favour by Praying to GOD on our behalf please .. Remain Blessed!

Dahustler007:
Since we're fooled like you claimed
Please do us a favour
Keep praying to GOD on our behalf
It'll go a long way... Thank You and Remain Blessed Bro.

Babacele:
explain the verses and not what you think. Besides, didn't Christ tell us that He is God of the living? God of Abraham, Jacob and Isaac? Moses created a snake image for the people to look up to just as the son God has been lifted up for our salvation. The mystery is not for any one who lsnt ready.

Dahustler007:
We Bow and Kiss those Images believing the people(SAINTS, MARTYRS etc) those images or Statue portray are watching over us and interceding for us in Heaven not those images but what the portray..
Understand this very fact not the image Or Statue but The person The portray!!

Babacele:
until you explain this :




Numbers 21. 7-9
The people came to
Moses and said,
“We sinned when
we spoke against
the LORD and
against you. Pray
that the LORD will
take the snakes
away from us.” So
Moses prayed for
the people.
8 The LORD said to
Moses, “Make a
snake and put it up
on a pole; anyone
who is bitten can
look at it and live.”
9 So Moses made a
bronze snake and
put it up on a pole.
Then when anyone
was bitten by a
snake and looked at
the bronze snake,
they lived.

Babacele:
You can attack the purgatory all you want but explain to me from where did Jesus raise Lazarus after being dead for 4 days since after death ,it is judgement?

johnw74:
satan can appear in disguise, it's to keep u roman catholics fooled,
it works:

2Co 11:14  And no wonder, even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.

2Co 11:3  However, I'm afraid that as the snake deceived Eve by its tricks, so your minds may somehow be lured away from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. 

2Co 2:11  I don't want Satan to outwit us. After all, we are not ignorant about Satan's scheming


satan fooled eve, and has been fooling people ever since

gabe:
lol, they are so hard to convert to tithe paying, seed sowing christians abi?

Dahustler007:
Bro. Don't get me wrong, hope you read the part of my post that says we don't worship Idols, we worship the person of GOD the statue or picture we're bowing to portrays... But since you keep insisting it's idols we worship fine, got nothing to say no more.

Dahustler007:
Like you said Rosaries, Praying to Mary, Praying to Saints to meditate before GOD on Our Behalf aren't in the Bible true talk, Our Mother Mary appeared to many Saints and places telling them about the benefits of praying the Rosary which I stated in my Post. She also appeared in Nigeria too sure you heard that.

Jesus Christ revealed himself to Saint. Maria Faustina, which he told her about his Great Mercy and his forever Ready to pour out his Mercy on those who are truly sorry for their sins. Catholics do have the 3'O Clock prayer of Divine mercy asking GOD to forgive our sins and that of the whole world.

blackbriar:
THERE IS NO THIRD VATICAN COUNCIL.
you just say things from hate sites and repeat them with all authority.
THE LAST COUNCIL WAS VATICAN II CALLED BY POPE JOHN XX111
until u revert i wont answer the rest of your questions

orisa37:
Catholics discovered Christianity. That Mary is The Source of Christianity. And The Rosary was "A Pet Gift" of The Holy Spirit to her. It's therefore fitting and appropriate to always remember her the way we found her. She is The Mother of all Righteousness. And Righteousness involve Honour, Glory, Majesty and Worship.

orisa37:
Because Rosary is a Gift of The Holy Spirit to young Mary.
And Mary delivered all BornAgains from The evil Eve.

johnw74:

they don't believe the Bible, but use some of it when it suits them,
what else do they have but there unbibical rubbish

Dahustler007:
Bro. Maybe you didn't take your time to read through Or you've closed your Heart from hearing anything a Catholic says.

blackbriar:
St. anthony gbaja and st. dominics yaba

Dahustler007:
Yeah, that's a good question.

WHY DO CATHOLICS BOW TO MARY'S STATUE??

A Catholic is merely giving honor to Our Mother Mary who is represented by the image or picture we're bowing to. It is like the statues of our national heroes that are honored. It doesn’t mean however that we worship such statues or that we believe them to be the same as the persons and heroes they represent. It is also like the photos of our loved ones we keep in our wallets or put in our walls. They remind us of our loved ones. We even kiss such photos out of love for those whom they represent. We DO NOT love the photos for their own sake. We know that they ARE NOT are families and friends. My Parish Priest gave this example concerning this Same issue, that let's say you're having your wedding and then your husband gives an order that your mother shouldn't come for the wedding. Even if you got love for your husband I don't think that wedding's going to take place. Cause you believe your husband ought to Honour and respect your Mother at least for the sake of his marrying you.

We honor Our Mother Mary because she deserves that honor, her being the Mother of Our Savior she's worth honoring, and there's nothing wrong about that.

The first commandment forbids making images or idols that people will serve as gods. Catholics HOWEVER, do not serve images of Jesus or Mary or the saints. They are mere representations that are honored in love and in respect of those whom they represent.



God spoke all these words, saying, “I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.



“You shall have no other gods before me.



“You shall not make for yourselves an idol, nor any image of anything that is in the heavens above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: you shall not bow yourself down to them, nor serve them, for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and on the fourth generation of those who hate me, I'll show my loving kindness to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.

-Exodus 20:1-6, WEB-BE



Catechism of the Catholic Church states:


The Christian veneration of images is not contrary to the first commandment which proscribes idols. Indeed, "the honor rendered to an image passes to its prototype," and "whoever venerates an image venerates the person portrayed in it." The honor paid to sacred images is a "respectful veneration," not the adoration due to God alone:



Religious worship is not directed to images in themselves, considered as mere things, but under their distinctive aspect as images leading us on to God incarnate. The movement toward the image does not terminate in it as image, but tends toward that whose image it is. (St. Thomas Aquinas).


WHY DO CATHOLICS PRAY REPETITIVE PRAYER WITH THE ROSARY?

Great question! I have been taught that repetitive prayers like the Rosary, are to help you stay focused while you meditate on the Mysteries of the Rosary. Forgive me for explaining this if you already know. Each decade of the rosary has a specific "mystery" to meditate upon. So, if you're meditating on the Glorious Mysteries on Wednesdays and Sundays, you would focus on those 5 mysteries- one for each decade. It also helps me to have a rosary Application with pictures- I like to look at them while I recite the Hail Mary. Don't feel bad if you don't "like" the rosary form of prayer. Just pray that our Blessed Mother will help you know that she loves you and will bring all your prayers to her son, our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!
Keep on Learning and Asking!!

Also the point of repeating prayers such as the Hail Mary is the same as the point of repeating the words 'I love you' frequently to one's spouse or child - it fixes that person, and the fact of our love of them, more firmly in our thoughts than if we neglect to tell them so frequently.
Same with prayers - if we repeat the Our Father frequently it fixes both the elements of the prayer (our need of 'our daily bread', our need for mercy and deliverance from temptation etc) into our hearts and minds. As well as fixing in our hearts and minds our actual need to pray.

The funny thing about Protestants, especially Evangelicals, pointing out the repetitions in the rosary is they do the same thing with their own prayers, but don't think of it as being repetitious. I've heard many a Protestant pray: "My Jesus I love you, my Jesus I love you, my Jesus I love you" over and over again, but that's not "repetitious" because it means something to them. Or some who repeat the same phrases all the time, such as "Father God we just want to ask you" at the start of every new petition, and so on. Singing "Alleluia" over and over again is another example. Such repeating of phrases and prayers is a human thing to do. It only becomes "vain" when we ascribe some magical power to it--that God will answer us merely because we've said the "right" words over and over again. No Catholic prays with that in mind.



Finally, We do so cause of the benefits attached to Praying the Rosary.

The Blessed Virgin Mary promised to Saint Dominic and to all who follow that "Whatever you ask in the Rosary will be granted." She left for all Christians Fifteen Promises to those who recite the Holy Rosary.
Imparted to Saint Dominic and Blessed Alan

1. Whoever shall faithfully serve me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall receive signal graces.

2. I promise my special protection and the greatest graces to all those who shall recite the Rosary.

3. The Rosary shall be a powerful armor against hell , it will
destroy vice, decrease sin, and defeat heresies.

4. The Rosary will cause virtue and good works to flourish; it will obtain for souls the abundant mercy of God ; it will
withdraw the hearts of men from the love of the world and its vanities, and will lift them to the desire for eternal things. Oh, that souls would sanctify themselves by this means.

5. The soul which recommends itself to me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall not perish.

6. Whoever shall recite the Rosary devoutly, applying himself to the consideration of its sacred mysteries shall
never be conquered by misfortune. God will not chastise him in His justice, he shall not perish by an unprovided death; if he be just he shall remain in the grace of God , and become worthy of eternal life.

7. Whoever shall have a true devotion for the Rosary shall not die without the sacraments of the Church.

8. Those who are faithful to recite the Rosary shall have
during their life and at their death the light of God and the plenititude of His graces; at the moment of death they shall participate in the merits of the saints in paradise.

9. I shall deliver from Purgatory those who have been devoted to the Rosary.

10. The faithful children of the Rosary shall merit a high degree of glory in Heaven.

11. You shall obtain all you ask of me by the recitation of the Rosary.

12. All those who propagate the Holy Rosary shall be aided by me in their necessities.

13. I have obtained from my Divine Son that all the
advocates of the Rosary shall have for intercessors the entire celestial court during their life and at the hour of death.

14. All who recite the Rosary are my sons and daughters, and brothers and sisters of my only Son Jesus Christ.

15. Devotion of my Rosary is a great sign of predestination.

If you're a Catholic, please don't forget to pray the Rosary or the Chaplet of Divine mercy Always. There's a lot of Blessings and Graces attached to praying Them.

We (Christians) worship the same GOD, Read the same BIBLE and we claim to practice what we preach. But I still don't understand why we still come at each other because of the same FAITH we profess. It's unfortunate, let's learn to tolerate each other's BELIEVE. May GOD bless us all!!!! Thank You!

blackbriar:
The sixth Commandement
exodus 20:13
Thou shall not Kill.
The God i serve is "gracious and compassionate,slow to anger and rich in mercy" psalm 145:8