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achorladey:
Who among these two cannot die? A. JEHOVAH B. Jesus. It is easy for you solite3 to preach that Jesus die on the cross so repent and give your life to christ but when it comes to preaching about trinity it becomes the other way round(Jesus cannot die).

Barristter07:
illogical excuses , Is the KJV a fraudulent translation for using the name ?

achorladey:
How can this be the answer to the question? Okay, Who did Stephen see first? Who was standing at the right hand of what Stephen see first?

Barristter07:
King James Version:

"That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth." Psalm 83:18.

Straight from the KJV, is the KJV a fraudulent translation for using the name ?

achorladey:
Oga tell me the son of Man Stephen saw was he(Jesus) in the primary nature or secondary nature?

johnw74:
bro I don't change anything in antichrist dolphinheart posts,
as you pointed out he does,
I just simply quote the things I want to talk about,
that's a sensible thing to do, but of course lie lie loves to
lie and falsely accuse on many diffrent things,

As is the way of a/c

johnw74:
bro, I believe many of them can see it, but they reject it, they reject the Truth, which is Christ
they are antichrist, rejecting so much scripture that we post concerning Him

dolphinheart:
you are lying, those verses did not say what you posted.

1 ti 3: 16 did not say God was manifest in flesh, let's look at several translations.



◄ 1 Timothy 3:16 ►

[b]New International Version
Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great: He appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory.

English Standard Version
Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.

Berean Study Bible
By common confession, the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was proclaimed among the nations, was believed in throughout the world, was taken up in glory.


New American Standard Bible 
By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh, Was vindicated in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
And most certainly, the mystery of godliness is great: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory. 

International Standard Version
By common confession, the secret of our godly worship is great: In flesh was he revealed to sight, kept righteous by the Spirit's might, adored by angels singing. To nations was he manifest, believing souls found peace and rest, our Lord in heaven reigning! 

NET Bible
And we all agree, our religion contains amazing revelation: He was revealed in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among Gentiles, believed on in the world, taken up in glory. 

New Heart English Bible
Without controversy, the mystery of godliness is great: He was revealed in the flesh, justified by the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, and received up in glory.

New American Standard 1977 
And by common confession great is the mystery of godliness: 
            He who was revealed in the flesh, 
            Was vindicated in the Spirit, 
            Beheld by angels, 
            Proclaimed among the nations, 
            Believed on in the world, 
            Taken up in glory.

American Standard Version
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; He who was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the spirit, Seen of angels, Preached among the nations, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And evidently great is the mystery of godliness, which was manifested in the flesh, was justified in the spirit, appeared unto angels, hath been preached unto the Gentiles, is believed in the world, is taken up in glory. 

English Revised Version
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; He who was manifested in the flesh, justified in the spirit, seen of angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, received up in glory.

Weymouth New Testament
And, beyond controversy, great is the mystery of our religion-- that Christ appeared in human form, and His claims justified by the Spirit, was seen by angels and proclaimed among Gentile nations, was believed on in the world, and received up again into glory.[/b]

STUDIES HAVE SHOWN THAT THE WORD "GOD" AS ADDED BY YOU WHEN YOU MENTIONED THAT VERSE IS AN ADDITION MADE BY THOSE WHO ARE FUSTRATED THAT THEY COULD NOT FIND ANY VERSE THAT SUPPORTS THEIR TRINITY DOCTRINE DIRECTLY. THE ADDITION HAS BEEN DISCOVER TO BE FALSE.

ALSO DISCOVERED TO BE FALSE ARE WORDS ADDED TO REVELATION 1:8 BELOW IS A BETTER TRANSLATION OF THAT VERSE.(THE FALSE WORDS HAD BEEN REMOVED)

[b]New International Version
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

English Standard Version
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

New American Standard Bible 
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

NET Bible
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God--the one who is, and who was, and who is still to come--the All-Powerful! 

New Heart English Bible
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
I am The Alap and The Tau, says THE LORD JEHOVAH God, he who is and has been and is coming, The Almighty.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
"I am the A and the Z," says the Lord God, the one who is, the one who was, and the one who is coming, the Almighty. 

New American Standard 1977 
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”[/b]

brocab, adherents of the false trinity doctrine had gone a long way in adulterating certain verses, but thanks to the discovery of new older and more accurate scrolls and technology, the dark works had been discovered, new bibles are gradually removing those false additions in the scriptures.

dolphinheart:
Good that you admit that you really did edit my post, expecially the scriptures, hope brocab sees your admission.

dolphinheart:
He would never accept the verses in the KJV where the name of God in English "jehovah" was used. I asked him several times go post what psalms 83: 18 says in the KJV, he vehemently refused.

johnw74:
bro and sol, one of you or maybe both of you have talked before about no man having seen the Father,
and I'm amazed how false jw don't believe all the Bible verses that expose their satanic doctrines.

They obviously must know that they don't believe the Bible, and so know that the god they follow is satan,
they cannot be just mistaken in belief, they must indeed know that they are satans disciples.

Barristter07:
Brocab



God himself explained the meaning of his name to his faithful servant Moses. When Moses asked about God’s name, Jehovah replied: “I Will Become What I Choose to Become.” (Exodus 3:14) Rotherham’s translation renders those words: “I Will Become whatsoever I please.” So Jehovah can become whatever is needed in order to fulfill his purposes, and he can cause to happen whatever is required with regard to his creation and the accomplishment of his purpose.



vain traditions of men, then why did faithful men of old used the name in their writings ?





Dont be dogmatic friend, who told you Yahweh is the real hebrew pronounciation ?

Explaining why he used “Jehovah” instead of “Yahweh” in his 1911 work Studies in the Psalms, respected Bible scholar Joseph Bryant Rotherham said that he wanted to employ a “form of the name more familiar (while perfectly acceptable) to the general Bible-reading public.” In 1930 scholar A. F. Kirkpatrick made a similar point regarding the use of the form “Jehovah.” He said: “Modern grammarians argue that it ought to be read Yahveh or Yahaveh; but JEHOVAH seems firmly rooted in the English language, and the really important point is not the exact pronunciation, but the recognition that it is a Proper Name, not merely an appellative title like ‘Lord.’”


I can't count how many religious songs that proudly use the name Jehovah today, EVEN IN CHURCH HYMNS and so called gospel songs . the name is been used freely just to let you know how firmly rooted it is in the english language . forms like Jehovah - Jireh are used from time to time in daily religious supplications , so what exactly are u saying ?

I think you forget that your cherished KJV use the name Jehovah too, its a failed translation ?

achorladey:
Let me tell what I know Exodus 6:3, Daniel 7:13 Psalms 83:18. Who is the Almighty? Who is the Most high? Who is ancient of days, What is his name? Simple question deserve simple answers....... JEHOVAH.
Proverbs 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell? Simple question his name JEHOVAH his son's name Jesus christ. I have answered my stupid question. What else!!!

achorladey:
Even Agur the son of Jakeh knows far more than you know. Shaking my head for you.

Barristter07:
Brocab



Do you now admit Yahweh means Lord is a false statement ?


If Yahweh means Lord, answer this three questions :


1) Hazael the King of Syria called Elisha Lord @ 2king 8:12 , does it mean Elisha is Yahweh ?


2) Aaron called Moses Lord @ Numbers 12:11, tell me , Moses is Yahweh ?

3) I peter 3:6 " as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him Lord" , so Sarah was calling Abraham Yahweh since she called him Lord ?

dolphinheart:
I did not accuse you wrongly , and I'll prove it by pointing to questions I've asked you and you did not answer

(1.) 12:24am On Dec 01
[b]A. "the scriptures tells us that Jesus was given that power, maybe you missed that part. despite that power given to him, he is still subjected to his God. do you know who is God is?"

B. "Is Jesus not a servant of God, I remember Jehovah calling Jesus his servant in his prophecy?"
C. "what the difference between begotten son and son?"
D. "brocab your brother does not believe Jesus is the son of God, why you guys have different beliefs?"

(2) 3:41pm On Nov 26
A. "if Satan is not a god, plus tell us who is the god of this world?"


(3)  11:47am On Nov 13
A. "Ps 82:1God takes his place in the divine assembly; In the middle of the gods he judges:
explain the above verse!"
B."De 10:17 For Jehovah your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the God great, mighty, and awe-inspiring, who treats none with partiality and does not accept a bribe.
Is Jehovah a God of false God's? answer : NO!, So who are the gods that Jehovah is a God of?"

(4) : 1:20pm On Nov 10
A.. "Are you saying God is in the midst of false God's?"
B "so which heaven was that verse talking about?"
C "who did that verse identify as our God?"
D "who did Jesus identify as the only true God?"

pls confirm if the following answers are right or wrong, your refusal to confirm means they are right
E. "did Jesus say he and the father are one God? No"
F. "Did jess request that his disciples be one just as he and the father are one? Yes"
G. "does the disciples being one mean they are one person or human? No"
H. "did Jesus request that the disciples become one with him and the father? Yes"
I. "Does this mean they become God? no?"
J. "does this mean they become one God or part of the persons in one god? No"


K." you scratched my statement, are you saying they are false, are you saying Jehovah sits in the midst of false gods?
Your answer is very important."

L."pls snow where I said " the devil is God"

M. "I asked a simple question, you refused to answer: Is the god of these world an idol?"[/b]

The evidence of questions I asked you and you refused to answer, plus the date and time they where asked on this thread are provided above. Note that they are listed and numbered. pls post where you answered each one and the answer you gave so that all can see if you answered or tried to divert from answering.

dolphinheart:
I got it from the scriptures and it is not rubbish, jesus did give up his spirit and the scriptures said so. In providing a ramsome sacrifice, jesus gave his life and died, this are not derived statements , this are directs statements from the scriptures which you cannot refute or give contrary explanation.


yes the above are true, jesus died after giving up the ghost (as said in kjv), it did not say jesus was still alive but only his flesh died.
resurrection is for the dead!


another true fact supported by the scriptures.

In your bid to run away from the scriptures you can't explain , you removed some scriptures I quoted to you when you typed my own post in your reply
1.  do not understand why Jesus said the words above, pls start by reading this verse below
Heb 5:7 During his life on earth, Christ offered up supplications and also petitions, with strong outcries and tears, to the One who was able to save him out of death, and he was favorably heard for his godly fear.

2. but we know that the scriptures and Jesus did not lie, therefore it is you that is lying, trying to give false doctrines by twisting the scriptures.
1Jo 3:16By this we have come to know love, because that one surrendered his life for us, and we are under obligation to surrender our lives for our brothers.

Joh 15:13No one has love greater than this, that someone should surrender his life in behalf of his friends.

2and go on walking in love, just as the Christ also loved us and gave himself for us as an offering and a sacrifice, a sweet fragrance to God.

From reading the scriptures above, and many more not quoted, a sincere person will know that Jesus gave up more than just his flesh!


No one said jesus did not give up his spirit, therefore your question is off point.
God raised jesus from the dead because jesus was dead!

shame on you brocab, in other to hide a very important point from Mark 16:19, you refused to fully quote it, you are full of dubious behaviours.
King James Bible
So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
WE ALL KNOW FULLY WELL THAT JESUS IS NOT THE GOD HE IS SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF!

We all know also that JESUS ascension to heaven to meet his God, our God, the only true God, the most high God, occurred after his resurrection, not while he was dead!


as a person yes, the scriptures says when your spirit goes out, your thoughts perish!



Your dubious ways wunt allow you to acknowledge that jesus resurrected from the dead before he was later seen alive and living. you keep denying the fact that jesus gave his life in exchange for us.

You still try avoid The questions and refuse to explain the scriptures shown to you.

THE QUESTIONS ARE STILL PENDING, YOU REFUSE TO ANSWER THEM.
THE QUESTIONS ARE SIMPLE TO UNDERSTAND, STOP YOUR DUBIOUS TACTICS, THE QUESTIONS ARE SIMPLE AND ARE NUMBERED , ANSWER IT!

1.How do we know the truth if two people give contrary answers and both claim God spirit told them?

2. Jo 5:20And we know that the (1) Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know (2) him that is true, and we are in (3) him that is true, (4) even in (5) his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
now brocab, pls tell us:
2A. who is "the son of God" in (1) above, coloured red
2B. who is the "him" in (2) above, coloured blue
2C. who is the "him" in (3) above , coloured red
2D. what do you understand by the underlined "even In his son" in (4)
2E. who is the "his " in 5 above , coloured blue.

(2)YOU COULD NOT SUBSTANTIATE YOUR ACCUSATION BY POINTING TO A SCRIPTURE THAT I HAVE TWISTED IN THAT POST.

(3)YON COULD NOT DENY MY ACCUSATIONS IN THAT POST.

(4) YOU COULD NOT GIVE CONTRARY EXPLANATION TO ANY SCRIPTURE I QUOTED IN THAT POST

(5) YOU COULD NOT EXPLAIN THE SCRIPTURES OR FAULT MY EXPLANATION WHEN I USED THE SCRIPTURES TO SHOW YOU WHO THE TRUE GOD IS, WHO THE ONE GOD IS.

[b]Jesus HIMSELF IDENTIFIED WHO THE TRUE GOD IS.
Joh 17:3This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
* Jesus identified the true to you, his next words excludes him from the only person who is the true God, the true God sent him, the true God did not send himself, he sent his servant!

THE DISCIPLES IDENTIFY WHO THE ONE GOD IS 
1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.

THE SCRIPTURES TELL US WHO Jesus IS IN RELATION TO THAT ONE GOD
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,

brocab , Jesus is the mediator between our one God and men , that is also comfirmed by the scriptures below
Ro 8:34Who will condemn them? Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, more than that the one who was raised up, who is at the right hand of God and who also pleads for us.

Our one God is not pleading with himself!. read Heb 7:25, 1Jo 2:1

below is the scripture I quoted, a scripture you cannot explain :

1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,

And I supported my explanation of that scripture with the following scripture.
[b]Ro 8:34Who will condemn them? Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, more than that the one who was raised up, who is at the right hand of God and who also pleads for us.
read Heb 7:25, 1Jo 2:1

Heb 9:24For Christ did not enter into a holy place made with hands, which is a copy of the reality, but into heaven itself, [color=blue]so that he now appears before God on our behalf.

The above verses are true brocab, even Daniel saw the vision of the son of man being granted audience with the ancient of days! Jesus appears before God , Jesus is not God that he appears before!

seeromy:
I am a JW ,and I thank all with their honest and sincere comment ,if you have any Bible question, pls post it.

dolphinheart:
and yet you could not bring up one instance where I lied


give me one instance of facts given that I ignored.


I've answered you and I will answer you again, the answer is no!

Barristter07:
Brocab




you said Jesus gives himself power but as stated in Daniel 7:13,14 and 1 Cor 15:27 which proves there is " one who subject all thing to him [Jesus] " . telling us you are either deliberately lying or sleeping when u wrote that statement.


there is another silly idea in your post above , Yahweh MEANS Lord .

If Yahweh means Lord, answer this three questions :

1) Hazael the King of Syria called Elisha Lord @ 2king 8:12 , does it mean Elisha is Yahweh ?


2) Aaron called Moses Lord @ Numbers 12:11, tell me , Moses is Yahweh ?

3) I peter 3:6 " as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him Lord" , so Sarah was calling Abraham Yahweh since she called him Lord ?

dolphinheart:
are you saying he does not remove parts of my posts, expecially scriptures I quoted when quoting me?, do you want to lie again with glaring evidences that he does edit my post when quoting me?

johnw74:
More facts people should know about the jehovah's witnesses sect




The jehovah's witnesses sect claim to be the only channel of God's truth

well we know about channeling don't we, Christianity hears from God,
false jw elders hear from angels, undoubtably fallen angels







The jehovah's witnesses sect claim that Jesus Christ is a created being

From Carm dot org

Isaiah 43:11, "I, even I, am the Lord; and there is no savior besides Me."
If there is no savior besides God (Is. 43:11; 45:21), then how can Jesus, a created thing, be the savior?
In what sense is God alone the savior? Simple, only God forgives our sins, and only God provides the provision for our forgiveness through Christ. Yet, Jesus is the Savior who forgives sins and is Himself the provision. How can Jesus then be a created thing?








From Carm dot org

Bible Verses Examined
Exodus 6:2-3, "God spoke further to Moses and said to him, I am the Lord [YHWH]; 3 and I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name, Lord, I did not make Myself known to them."
If God appeared to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as God Almighty (Ex. 6:2-3) yet Jesus says that no man has seen the Father at any time (John 6:46), then who were they seeing if it was God Almighty, but not the Father?

Barristter07:
brocab



Brainwashed!


Go and study Daniel 7:13,14 . Jesus was brought before another NOT Himself , The ancient of days who gave him authority .


For more: There is " one who subjected all things to him [Jesus] " 1 Corinthians 15:27

If there is someone who subject all things to him, does that not tell a rational person that He didnt give himself power ?

Barristter07:
dey run mouth

to validate your assertion, go back to that post you quote , I will tag it post A2 , go and point out which part isnt scriptural.

Barristter07:
brocab



Brainwashed!


Go and study Daniel 7:13,14 . Jesus was brought before another NOT Himself , The ancient of days who gave him authority .


For more: There is " one who subjected all things to him [Jesus] " 1 Corinthians 15:27

If there is someone who subject all things to him, does that not tell a rational person that He didnt give himself power ?

Barristter07:
Brocab



what exactly is your point in relation to the post you quoted ?

solite3:
the question should be why would Jehovah give another god all power both in heaven and on earth?
Isaiah 42:8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my[b] glory will I not give to another, [/b]neither my praise to graven images.


Jehovah gave Jesus all power in heaven and in earth because Jesus is God.

Barristter07:
Solite3





I take this illogical reply to mean you cant find a single instance in the scripture where the only true God and Father of Christ is been given power . I belive by now, you should have seen the different between the Ancient of days and the son of man whom he gave power and authority . One is Almighty, while the other rely on the Almighty to do anything .


@ blue . you are a confirm 419 ... The Almighty God exalt Jesus to a superior position because " [Jesus ] became obedient to the point of death " Phil 2:8 thats why He was Exalted to that position


Jesus was obedient to the Almighty God, thats why he was exalted .



NOTE: That tells you he would not be exalted if he was disobedient , That's enough to let you know Jesus isnt the Almighty . His progress depends on how obedient he is.

dolphinheart:
it's easy to see that the reason I refused to respond is not about what you said, but your deliberate editing of my post when quoting me, you deliberate removal of the scriptures I quoted shows you know that an attempt to talk about them will expose you.

achorladey:
Brocab, Solite3, Johnw74 e.t.c I never thought I could stumble across this but let me share it with you guys. Luke 22:69 hereafter shall the son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God. Guess what!!! Jesus himself said this. Jesus did not only confirm himself as son of man as indicated in Dan 7:13 but also indicate his position in relation to God. Expecting your comment on this one though.

achorladey:
This goes to solite3 who loves the consent of the pharisees/saduccees. Luke 22:70,71 will help you a lot in determining who the pharisees/sadducees think or say Jesus is?

achorladey:
You say that as if I am trying to join your league. Oga let me remain in my own league. Abeg!!!!!