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akintom:
What kind of LIGHT is God?

achorladey:
Does your faith in God gives room for doubt?

achorladey:
Fantastic, The laws in Psalms 82:6 states when the sons of the Most High are addressed, they are called 'gods'. So how come one of the son of the Most High in John 1:1 as confirmed in John 1:16 was addressed as 'God'. Perhaps John was the law breaker or those that translates the Bible are the main culprit. What is your take on that.

achorladey:
I know you have answers to that already. Park well.

achorladey:
So tell me, why did they drop their stones

achorladey:
Oga I respect you pass this ooooo. i said from Jesus standpoint you are giving me Thomas viewpoint. Look before you leap Oga.

achorladey:
It seems you don't understand my question, from Jesus standpoint do you think Jesus expect the JWs to see him(Jesus) as Almighty God before they gain everlasting life? John 3 :16, John 3:36 John 17:3.
I am giving you another benefit to answer the question.

achorladey:
Solite3: Jesus also told them he and his father are one they wanted to stone him because he was clearly saying he is God but Jesus did not deny it neither did he correct them meaning Jesus suported what they were thinking.

A good look at the last line of your statement bothers me a lot. I can't still understand the fact that Jesus will consent to the thinking of the pharisee/Sadducees(religious leaders) of his time that he(Jesus) opposed down till his death with heavy woe as well. Please if a pharisee/Sadducees were to interpret a scriptures to you will you believe him.

dolphinheart:
good to note that you and your brother don't share the same belief !

achorladey:
Ask him yourself. I am very sure he will give you a reply to your question.

akintom:
I really find the witnesses interesting and likable folks.

But they send me off on two annoying practices.

* the take delight in murderous act, by rejecting blood transfusion, even at the point of preventable death.

* witness babe will never agree, to date a non witness. Not even when you desire to marry her. She will rather get into menopause, than marry a non witness.

dolphinheart:
brothers tend to advise each other in case one sees that the other has gone astray when it comes to certain , as a Christian, it will be good to find out what your brother believes about proverbs 8: 22-30, check if such beliefs are right or wrong and endeavor to correct such ones.

I can bet it with you, that even if I, dolphinheart, beliefs in something or teaches something which is wrong on this thread, someone who is my brother will come on this same thread and correct me with evidence, I will examine such evidence and apologize .
But o.y.o is your case , your brother can believe in something different from yours and you will not respond as long as you both have same common enemy!

your fight is not from the scriptures , for the scriptures teaches that Jesus is the son of God and God is the father of Jesus, they are not same person or same being for Jesus is said to sit at the right hand of God, pleading to God on our behalf.
GOD GOES NOT PLEAD TO HIMSELF , JESUS PLEADS ON OUR BEHALF TO HIS GOD, ALMIGHTY GOD, THE MOST HIGH GOD.

achorladey:
You have repeated the statement again 'supported their thinking'. Do the pharisee believe Jesus was equal to God. (Yes/No) What understanding do the pharisee have about Jesus? Maybe I can get you clearly.

dolphinheart:
(go and learn how to quote)

it is a fact that the scriptures :
1. never said or thought us that Jesus is jehovah, in fact, jehovah prophesied about Jesus as his servant. jehovah did not send himself or did he?, I'd jehovah the servant of jehovah?

2.never at any point said that Jesus is the almighty God, the one who is the almighty God is jehovah, he called Jesus his servant, his son, his only begotten SON!

3. never ever said that Jesus and the father are one God almighty, in fact no verse would you find where it is said that Jesus and the father are one God, Jesus identified the father as our God, the only true God, the disciples identified the father as the one God , the scriptures identified the father as the God of Jesus and our God

you refuse to exit that post of yours so that I can reply you, well you have a right to refuse to do it, ill only be replying what I see when I quote you. Let me as you, is Satan a god of these world? The word used in that verse is "thoes" .

you have abandoned your "lion and son analogy after seing it does not help your cause.
You picked a new one which makes it worse, cus you are implying that all sons of God are God.

dolphinheart:
Stop lying , did I say I did not believe john1:1?, I've even quoted John 1: 1 to you in this thread!

dolphinheart:
YES JEHOVAH IS GOD'S NAME, YOUR BIBLE SUPPORTS THIS ANSWER , READ AND QUOTE WHAT YOUR BIBLE SAYS IN PSALMS 83:81 AND TELL US IF I QUOTE IT WRONGLY, IF THIS VERSE DOES NOT TEACH US THAT GOD'S NAME IS JEHOVAH!
king James Version
Ps 83:18That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.

You want to deny your bible, you refuse to quote what it says in that verse!

dolphinheart:
brocab, have you ever sat for an exam before, cus the way you answer questions shows you might not have done so.

I said, " give an example", so in line with my question, I'll only examine the first verse you gave, which is Matt 17 :21.

I checked for the verse in a lot of translations and realised that the verse was blank , nothing is written in the verse . such translations include
1. New Century Version (NCV)
2.New International Version (NIV)
3.Contemporary English Version (CEV)
4. New Living Translation
5. English Standard Version
6.NET Bible
7.GOD'S WORD®
8.English Revised Version
I'm such there are a lot more translations that do not have any word written in verse 21.

Below are explanations about that verse.

[b]The verse is not included in the newer Bibles because the older and better manuscripts of Matthew do not include it. The translators of the older Bibles were not as careful in the manuscripts they used. Apparently in the process of copying the manuscripts, someone at a much later date copied the verse from the Gospel of Mark and added it to the Matthew account.



Bart D. Ehrman believes that some of the most known of these verses were not part of the original text of the New Testament. "These scribal additions are often found in late medieval manuscripts of the New Testament, but not in the manuscripts of the earlier centuries," he adds. "And because the King James Bible is based on later manuscripts, such verses became part of the Bible tradition in English-speaking lands."[2] This same sentiment is expressed by Brooke Foss Westcott and Fenton John Anthony Hort.

let's search further

According to The Greek New Testament (4th Edition), edited by Aland, Metzger, et al. (2012), this verse does not appear in the best Greek manuscripts available. In order to save ourselves the tedious task of comparing and contrasting the pros and cons of the variant readings, the late Bruce Metzger has also published the companion volume, which is A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament (2nd Edition, 2012).

On page 35 he writes the following:

17.21 omit verse {A}
Since there is no satisfactory reason why the passage, if originally present in Matthew, should have been omitted in a wide variety of witnesses, and since copyists frequently inserted material derived from another Gospel, it appears that most manuscripts have been assimilated to the parallel in Mk 9.29.

What he is saying, is that the "Editorial Committee" (comprised of the four editors of The Greek New Testament which include Mr. Metzger) had ascribed {A} to their reading, which means that they are "certain" that the verse was not in the autograph.[/b]

So brocab, scholars have said there is no word written in matt 17: 21, that if you find where something is written in matt 17: 21, it's the scribes that put it their and not the author of the book of Matthew!

so that have something written in matt 17: 21, copied from those scribes and not the author of that book, cus the author of that book did not write what the scribes wrote in that verse.

THE CASE IS NOW A CASE OF DELIBERATE INSERTION AND NOT REMOVAL.
If you still feel their is another verse you want to bring forward as evidence, you are free to do so, but I'll handle jus one verse at a time.

achorladey:
Solite3: For the fact that Jesus did not reveal his identity to the Jews does not mean he is not God Almighty.
Achorladey: Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. 4:20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. 4:21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears. 4:22 And all bare him witness, and wondered at the gracious words which proceeded out of his mouth. And they said, Is not this Joseph's son?
More questions for Solite3, According to the scriptures highlighted above did Jesus made himself known to the Jews? (YES, NO, UNCERTAIN DON'T KNOW). From what Jesus said in the scriptures above did he(Jesus) want himself to be known as ALMIGHTY GOD or Did he(Jesus) want himself be known as SOMEONE SENT?

johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart

duh, theos means god, it usually refers to the one true God
but in greek if satan is called god then of course the word theos could be used
why because it means god, you still so confused

don't worry yourself if one of my brothers and I see some things diffrently
we don't worry about it, I for one have an open mind on what I don't know about
and continue to look into it

false jw have a closed mind, you are told what to believe.

johnw74:
you mean like you jozzy and you dolphin do, and are doing right now to your common enemy, bro and john

Ha ha, talking about yourselfs again,

self righteous false accusers both

dolphinheart:
seems you and you brother don't share the same beliefs, hence you don't want talk about it it!

dolphinheart:
Give an example of one verse that was removed from the scriptures, and prove that the words of that verse really existed, that the author really penned those words.

dolphinheart:
King James Version
Ps 83:18That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.


check you bible and see if the above words are true, if it can be found it the bible you believe in, why don't you believe it!

achorladey:
Thanks for the beautiful response. Brocab there you have it. The JWs don't believe the Bible partly.

achorladey:
Another wonderful response.
Brocab, I hope you seen how people are expected to follow instructions before answering questions.

achorladey:
Good for you!!!!!

solite3:
@ bold and that same verse describes Jesus as one Lord does that mean the father is not Lord?

John 1:1 has described Jesus as God.

Jesus is the one who made the world with his own hands.

Isaiah 45:12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.

Jesus is Jehovah God, there is no way you can deny it.

achorladey:
Not all instructions are read out. An individual just like you is meant to read through and adhere to the specifics.

achorladey:
Is that a yes, yeah or what?

achorladey:
People will fail the exams if they don't stick/adhere to the instructions given by the examiner. Just like you did in my case, because the Topics is far far different from the instructions guiding the exams. For example, write your answers only with HB pencils. But an individual wrote with an ink pen. Despite attempting the topic under consideration correctly, he will fail successfully for not following the instructions.

Peacefullove:
am not in anyway supporting the person you quote , but I must say you are rude to reply him that way .


I expect you to comment on what he said , didn't your Bible say the One God is just Father , I checked his quotation on google and that's what it said , not so ? Did the Christian Bible ever said the one God is Father and son ?


comment on what he said , don't just throw irrelevant noise.

achorladey:
Are you sure?