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dolphinheart:
so you called God to ask him if the words of the verse under discussion is authentic or not?
brocab, people who are dubious , who want to use crooked brain to confuse others say what you just said above. There is an issue of authenticity on ground and you will use that method cus you know it's hard or almost imposible to verify if you are telling the truth or not. Like you, there are a lot of false people who say God is talking to them even when it's clear that they are lying.
I've given you irrevocable facts that the words in that verse cannot be found in the better, earlier, and most reliable manuscripts, I've shown you how people who study those manuscripts came to realise that some words where later added , words that where not in the original manuscripts, words that where no written by the author of that book. Your only defence is that you asked God!. Well , there are many like you hear in Nigeria, we see them everyday with their fake miracles and Co , acting as if na only dem get God's spirit.

dolphinheart:
don't get confused brocab, we are not talking about the meaning or explanation of the scriptures. We are talking about the authenticity and existence of particular words and sentences in the scriptures.
people who do such works do not have to believe in the content.

hope you read my post, their explanations guide me in coming to a conclusion about a particular issue. If they give an explanation that is convincing enough, I believe them.


Get serious brocab, we are discussing the authenticity of a particular scripture, 2 different bibles giving conflicting statements, how do you know which one is true if not to study the source of the translation.


1. so if a christian who claims to have Gods spirit tells you the same answer that I've given you about that verse, will you agree?
2. I'll love go be part of the meek ones who will inherit the earth.

dolphinheart:
WHICH TRANSLATION DID YOU GET THIS FROM!, TELL US THE NAME OF THE BIBLE YOU QUOTED!

achorladey:
but according to you there cannot be two 'I ams'. I hope you know what you are doing?

achorladey:
Dont scatter things. Choose the option that is correct.

achorladey:
Do you believe the head of Jesus christ(physical/spiritual body) is God. A.Yes b. No C. Deny like you do always

Sarang:
The first verse of Revelation shows that the revelation was given originally by God and through Jesus Christ, hence the one speaking (through an angelic representative) at times is God himself, and at other times it is Christ Jesus.

Thus Revelation 1:8 (RS) says: “‘I am the Alpha and the Omega,’ says the Lord God [“Jehovah God,” NW], who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” Although the preceding verse speaks of Christ Jesus, it is clear that in verse 8 the application of the title is to “the Almighty” God. In this regard Barnes’ Notes on the New Testament (1974) observes: “It cannot be absolutely certain that the writer meant to refer to the Lord Jesus specifically here . . . There is no real incongruity in supposing, also, that the writer here meant to refer to God as such.”

achorladey:
Show me proof

Sarang:
You are right. I haven't seen one.
Reason logically and scripturally like he is.

Sarang:
Sorry it's the other way round. we believe that God's name is Jehovah.
Maybe you really don't know what we believe.

Would you like to learn more?
Visit www.jw.org. It's open to all races of humans and in more than 400 languages.

Sarang:
Even for love of humans we can't go against Jehovah's rule.
We show that Love for Jehovah comes first.

You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.”—MATTHEW 22:37

johnw74:
We are told not to eat blood, is all
but false jw leaders have said through witchpower magazine
that you are not to give blood tranfusions,
and false jw believe what men tell them

men told them many prophecies that failed, still false jw believe men
men told them Jesus is "a god", still false jw believe men
men told them Jesus wasn't bodily resurrected, still false jw believe men
and on and on,
they believe men and not God.


Test the Spirits
1Jn 4:1  Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 
1Jn 4:2  Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 
1Jn 4:3  And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 
1Jn 4:4  Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Greater is ("he") the Lofty God that is in us Christians, than ("he") the teenie weenie fairy satan that is in the world-false jw
that is false jw's god, the god of this world, satan
 
1Jn 4:5  They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 
1Jn 4:6  We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

achorladey:
You lay claim to be the spiritual man that can discern the physical man yet you dont see yourself in a position to provide reasonable answers to questions posed.

achorladey:
You want to enter denial mode again bah, all the books, chapters, verses quoted by achorladey are they not from the King James version? A. Yes B. No. C. Deny like you always do. Your answer will go a long way in determining maybe my bible or yours is scriptural or not.

achorladey:
According to your(brocab) believe, Father is 'I am' Exodus 3:14, Jesus is 'I am' John 8:58. Therefore Father equals Jesus equals God. But because you(brocab) refuse to reason well enough you cannot discern that John 14:28 said one of the 'I am' is greater than the other 'I am'. The last sentence comes in perfect agreement with 1 Cor 11:3 that states the head of the christ( in physical/spiritual body) is God, because when Paul made that statement the christ is no longer here on earth. 1 Corinthians 11:3 comes into perfect agreement with Isaiah 44:6 I am(Father) the first, and I am(Father) the last; and beside me there is no God(I am, Jesus, John 1:1 #was God).

Jozzy4:
lol, they are not of the same mind . what happen in their case is exactly like what happen to our Lord Jesus Christ.

Herod and Pilate are not really friends , but they became friend because both see Jesus as a common enemy . u get the logic ,


Good work bro . thumbs up


I pray Jehovah continue to strengthen you

achorladey:
Are you sure? It will be better you go back and check through all the questions raised so far.

dolphinheart:
You can continue as long as you want to deny your bible, refusing to quote that verse even after numerous requests have been made to you to quote it.
Most people know what psalms 83: 18 says, it tells us that God's name is Jehovah!

Sarang:
Even calling someone a lier without proof is lying

achorladey:
You want me to allign with an individual that cannot reason well. Oga answer all the questions addressed to you. As for the support, no think am at all.

dolphinheart:
I've said I will handle the scriptures you feel are omitted, removed or altered one by one, I've checked Matthew 17:21, it has been discovered that it's the key that's at fault. I've given you what is said about that verse while you have not been able to give any explanation in defence of the kjv.

If you have no evidence to present concerning Matthew 17:21 , but still feel their are other verses you have issues with, plus present one of them ,we will be handling them one by one. so I will wait if you will put up another verse to claim it's been omitted.


haha, I know it pains you that you can find the name of God in your bible, but there is nothing you can do about it, you can refuse to quote that verse , but it is there. moreover, whichever translation I use, as long as it exposes your false beliefs, you will have issues with it, you are now finding fault in my use of the kjv to expose you.


yes, because in this case, the kjv did not translate correctly(read the prove given by the scholars)


where was the 1611 bible copied from?. One good thing about how Christians handle knowledge is that if their find some things to be false , they leave it!, more and more translators and scholars are finding out that the kjv contain some false translations, or contain additions made by scribes who copied the manuscripts.


Google is your friend


1. support your statement with prove
2. You don't need to be a christian to examine the authenticity of certain manuscripts , he might not have faith in what it says, that does not mean he cannot spot a false addition.
I might not know french, but I surely know if a word is written in blue or red ink!
he has checked the older manuscripts and came to the same conclusion other Christians (some who believe in trinity have)


thank you.

you have a right to say so, you have a right not to believe the truth supported with facts.


Brocab, when one person or group of persons bring a translation out and claim it's accurate, and another person or group brings another translation out ,also claiming it's accurate. You look at the two translations and you find that in some verses, what is written is totally different, what should a sensible person who searches for the truth, blindly believe one over the other or try and search for which one is accurate and which one is false.

I do not believe everything this scholars says, but I do try to look deeper into their conclusions to arrive at my own conclusion.
If you feel that what one of them says is false simply because he is not a christian, then it shows how deep your refusal to accept truth is.
I believe you are educated, do you disagree with what you are taught simply because the teacher does not believe in what he or she is teaching you?
moreover, I quoted more than one scholar, who hold the same view, are all of them atheist!

achorladey:
URGENT!!! URGENT!!! URGENT!!!
Brocab is not my spokesman. Speak for yourself dont speak for me.

Sarang:
And you don't know,Jesus can not make a leap without Jehovah's approval.

Unlike Satan, Jesus know who Jehovah really is and willing to obey.

Sarang:
Because in as much you hate them,they love you.

Sarang:
You are right about population but unity? nah.

I asked a member here if they did christ the king,alas! She does not even know what means.

Sarang:
Jesus is not the almighty. Stop putting words into his mouth. He never said he is.

Sarang:
Jesus is not the almighty. Stop putting words into his mouth. He never said he is.

Sarang:
They didn't neither did Jesus. He never said he is equal to God

Sarang:
There is only one God Jehovah
John 17:3 Jesus himself called him the only true God.

Dolphin is right

dolphinheart:
EVERYONE CAN SEE YOUR DECEPTIVE TACTICS, YOU LEAVE THE POST DIRECTED TO YOU AND QUOTE THE POST DIRECTED TO OTHERS, SAME TACTICS USED BY THE OTHERS PERSON. AND EVEN WHEN YOU QUOTE THE POST YOU FAIL TO RESPOND TO THE ISSUES, QUESTIONS AND SCRIPTURES FOUND THEIR.
well ,since the post posted to you has exposed your false doctrine, the best next thing is to leave it alone, cus quoting it will only expose you further!


there are no twists, large or small.


I've used the scriptures to Identify to you him who is who was and who is coming, you could not refute what I showed you, neither could you qoute and explain those scriptures I used.


sir, the scriptures say no one has seen God at any time, but people saw Jesus, therefore Jesus is not the God no one has seen at anytime.
If you had taken time to read that verse to the end , you would have noticed that Jesus is not the God who was being mentioned their.
try to quote that verse fully next time, it will help.



hope you have read heb 1:1,2, read it and learn!


the bold is a lie!, the verse never said so!

What evidence, the one based on wrong understanding of what jesus said?
Jesus did not lie, it's you that is lying againSt jesus, calling him what he did not call himself
did Jesus call himself God ? no ! he said

Joh 10:36[u]do you say to me whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world,[/u] ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?[/u]

YOU REFUSED TO FOLLOW WHAT JESUS CALLED HIMSELF, WHO THE ANGEL TOLD MARY THAT JESUS IS, YOU REFUSED TO FOLLOW WHAT JESUS SAID ABOUT THE FATHER, YOU PREFER CALLING JESUS THE FATHER!

[b]Joh 5:20[u]For the Father has affection for the Son and shows him all the things he himself does,[/u] and he will show him works greater than these, so that you may marvel.

Joh 14:28You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am.

Joh 10:25Jesus answered them: “I told you, and yet you do not believe. The works that I am doing in my Father’s name, these bear witness about me.

YOU PREFER TO BELIEVE THE PHARISEES, CUS THEIR BELIEVES RHYMES WITH YOURS, YOU REFUSED TO LISTEN TO WHAT JESUS SAID ABOUT THAT BELIEVE

Joh 5:46In fact, if you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me.

what did Moses write about Jesus, did he say Jesus is God?no , did he say God himself is the one coming? no .

Moses said:

De 18:15Jehovah your God will raise up for you from among your brothers a prophet like me. You must listen to him.

Lu 24:44He then said to them: “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was yet with you, that all the things written about me in the Law of Moses and in the Prophets and Psalms must be fulfilled.”

Joh 1:45Philip found Na·thanʹa·el and said to him: “We have found the one of whom Moses, in the Law, and the Prophets wrote: Jesus, the son of Joseph, from Nazʹa·reth.”


you are a liar brocab, no wonder you could not quote where I made such description.
you refused to quote that verse, probably because quoting it will prevent you from twisting it. The previous verse has clarified who god is
King James Version
Col 1:3We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,



stop lying againSt me brocab!


you are a liar brocab , the lies has eating deep into you. This is what I said :

the verse (rev 1: is talking about God, the Father, the almighty, the most high! and below is what the verse said :
New International Version
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

English Standard Version
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

BROCAB, YOU HAVE PERFECTED THE ACT OF NOT QUOTING MY POSTS SO THAT YOU CAN BE ABLE TO LIE, STATING THAT I SAID AND BELIEVED THINGS I DID NOT SAY OR IMPLY.

THE ABOVE IS ONE OF THE REASONS YOU REFUSED TO RESPOND TO THE POSTS IN WHICH MY EXPLAINATIONS ON REV 1: 1,4-8 REV 3: 2:12 AND HEB 1:9 IS GIVING.



the scripture has told you the truth brocab, stop twisting it !

johnw74:
Yes, Thomas called Jesus: "my Lord" and "my God"
and Jesus affirmed it to Thomas saying: "because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed"

Jesus has shown many times in the NT that He is God, the blinded of course cannot see it.

Joh 20:28  And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. 
Joh 20:29  Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

akintom:
Metaphysical Science is obsolete now.

ICT is the illumination now.