I don't know how you think Dolphinheart-your mind is else where-when trying to understand the scriptures. Where do you get this rubbish from? Dolphinheart-2. HE GAVE UP HIS SPIRIT You posted John 19: 30, but in you bid to formulate falsehood out of it, you failed to listen to what that verse is telling you. Joh 19:30When he had received the sour wine, Jesus said: “It has been accomplished!” and bowing his head, he gave up his spirit. King James Version Joh 19:30When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
Did you see the underlined above?, it did not say Jesus left his body using only his spirit, it did not say Jesus continued living as a spirit, it said Jesus GAVE UP his spirit, if you give something up, IT'S NO LONGER YOURS, look another verse on the same issue
3. JESUS GAVE UP HIS LIFE It is more clear when we realise that Jesus had to give up his life for us, not just his flesh , not just his blood , BUT HIS LIFE. FOR YOU CLAIM THAT JESUS WAS STILL ALIVE AFTER HE DIED, THEN YOU ARE CALLING JESUS A LIAR, THAT JESUS DID NOT GIVE UP HIS LIFE, THAT HE STILL HELD ON TO IT BUT ONLY GAVE UP HIS BODY.
If Jesus didn't give up His Spirit-then why did God raise Him up from the dead {Acts 2:24, 1 Corinthians 6:14, Romans 8:11} {Mark 16:19} After the Lord had spoken unto them {Disciples} He was received up into heaven. So you believe Jesus no-longer exist-once He gave up His Spirit that's it "finished? I say not bad for a dead man-after He was crucified, and He was later seen by His disciples, "alive" and living, and God had taken Him up unto Heaven, and Jesus sits on God's right hand side?
dolphinheart: I shake my head at you, you refuse to read or explain the scriptures quoted to you while you desperately try to twist others, adding to it what it did not tell you! BROCAB, READ THE SCRIPTURES AND UNDERSTAND.
1. JESUS DIED Ro 14:9 For to this end Christ died and came to life again, so that he might be Lord over both the dead and the living. brocab, the scriptures wunt say Jesus came to life again if he still had life when he died.
2. HE GAVE UP HIS SPIRIT You posted John 19: 30, but in you bid to formulate falsehood out of it, you failed to listen to what that verse is telling you. Joh 19:30When he had received the sour wine, Jesus said: “It has been accomplished!” and bowing his head, he gave up his spirit. King James Version Joh 19:30When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
Did you see the underlined above?, it did not say Jesus left his body using only his spirit, it did not say Jesus continued living as a spirit, it said Jesus GAVE UP his spirit, if you give something up, IT'S NO LONGER YOURS, look another verse on the same issue Mt 27:50Again Jesus called out with a loud voice and yielded up his spirit. King James Version Mt 27:50Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
If you give up your spirit, it means you(the person) are dead, you have died! Ps 146:4His spirit goes out, he returns to the ground; On that very day his thoughts perish.
Ps 104:29When you hide your face, they are disturbed. If you take away their spirit, they die and return to the dust.
Lu 23:46And Jesus called out with a loud voice and said: “Father, into your hands I entrust my spirit.” After he said this, he expired
brocab, the scriptures said Jesus expired!, not his flesh expired. JESUS, AS A PERSON EXPIRED, DIED!
If you do not understand why Jesus said the words above, pls start by reading this verse below [b]Heb 5:7 During his life on earth, Christ offered up supplications and also petitions, with strong outcries and tears, to the One who was able to save him out of death, and he was favorably heard for his godly fear.
3. JESUS GAVE UP HIS LIFE It is more clear when we realise that Jesus had to give up his life for us, not just his flesh , not just his blood , BUT HIS LIFE. FOR YOU CLAIM THAT JESUS WAS STILL ALIVE AFTER HE DIED, THEN YOU ARE CALLING JESUS A LIAR, THAT JESUS DID NOT GIVE UP HIS LIFE, THAT HE STILL HELD ON TO IT BUT ONLY GAVE UP HIS BODY.
But we know that the scriptures and jesus did not lie, therefore it is you that is lying, trying to give false doctrines by twisting the scriptures. 1Jo 3:16By this we have come to know love, because that one surrendered his life for us, and we are under obligation to surrender our lives for our brothers.
Joh 15:13No one has love greater than this, that someone should surrender his life in behalf of his friends.
2and go on walking in love, just as the Christ also loved us and gave himself for us as an offering and a sacrifice, a sweet fragrance to God.
From reading the scriptures above, and many more not quoted, a sincere person will know that Jesus gave up more than just his flesh!
You are a very cunning fellow, I showed you who the true God, the one God, our God is , using the scriptures, you could not counter my explanation or give your own understanding of those verses. you want to see if you can change the issue to who Jesus is instead of who the only true God , the one God is as shown to you by the scriptures. Once the truth is being shown to you in the scriptures, you try to avoid it.
THE QUESTIONS ARE STILL PENDING, YOU REFUSE TO ANSWER THEM. THE QUESTIONS ARE SIMPLE TO UNDERSTAND, STOP YOUR DUBIOUS TACTICS, THE QUESTIONS ARE SIMPLE AND ARE NUMBERED , ANSWER IT!
1.How do we know the truth if two people give contrary answers and both claim God spirit told them?
2. Jo 5:20And we know that the (1) Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know (2) him that is true, and we are in (3) him that is true, (4) even in (5) his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. now brocab, pls tell us: 2A. who is "the son of God" in (1) above, coloured red 2B. who is the "him" in (2) above, coloured blue 2C. who is the "him" in (3) above , coloured red 2D. what do you understand by the underlined "even In his son" in (4) 2E. who is the "his " in 5 above , coloured blue.
(2)YOU COULD NOT SUBSTANTIATE YOUR ACCUSATION BY POINTING TO A SCRIPTURE THAT I HAVE TWISTED IN THAT POST.
(3)YON COULD NOT DENY MY ACCUSATIONS IN THAT POST.
(4) YOU COULD NOT GIVE CONTRARY EXPLANATION TO ANY SCRIPTURE I QUOTED IN THAT POST
(5) YOU COULD NOT EXPLAIN THE SCRIPTURES OR FAULT MY EXPLANATION WHEN I USED THE SCRIPTURES TO SHOW YOU WHO THE TRUE GOD IS, WHO THE ONE GOD IS.
[b]Jesus HIMSELF IDENTIFIED WHO THE TRUE GOD IS. Joh 17:3This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ. * Jesus identified the true to you, his next words excludes him from the only person who is the true God, the true God sent him, the true God did not send himself, he sent his servant!
THE DISCIPLES IDENTIFY WHO THE ONE GOD IS 1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
THE SCRIPTURES TELL US WHO Jesus IS IN RELATION TO THAT ONE GOD 1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,
brocab , Jesus is the mediator between our one God and men , that is also comfirmed by the scriptures below Ro 8:34Who will condemn them? Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, more than that the one who was raised up, who is at the right hand of God and who also pleads for us.
Our one God is not pleading with himself!. read Heb 7:25, 1Jo 2:1
For someone who reasons, if you want to correct someone, you first point to where the mistake was made, then add your corrections, at no time have i ever said jesus is the mediator of god the devil. Therefore, your correction Comes out of a dubious intent, to make it look as if I said something I did not say!
below is the scripture I quoted, a scripture you cannot explain :
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,
And I supported my explanation of that scripture with the following scripture. Ro 8:34Who will condemn them? Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, more than that the one who was raised up, who is at the right hand of God and who also pleads for us. read Heb 7:25, 1Jo 2:1
ill also add this verse for emphasis [b]Heb 9:24For Christ did not enter into a holy place made with hands, which is a copy of the reality, but into heaven itself, so that he now appears before God on our behalf.
The above verses are true brocab, even Daniel saw the vision of the son of man being granted audience with the ancient of days! Jesus appears before God , Jesus is not God that he appears before!
What is the difference between a video and someone writing on this page-you don't believe in the bible any way. So what makes you true to your words, everything you have written has caused an argument between the Word Of God and your father the devil. The only problem you have-you don't reason very well, even after the answers are written down, you are to blind to see them, reason, because they are not written in your Magazine. And the fact is, it is not a lie-but the truth. JW's are not allowed to study any other bible's, nor with anybody out side their organisation, but only their own. Why because the organisation are afraid to loose their fiances.
dolphinheart: brocab, anyone can do a video of anything, it does not mean it is true. I cannot discuss with a video, but I can discuss with you on this thread, exposing your false doctrines , nearly all , if not all of jehovahs witnesses have quoted from the KJV on this thread, it is a big lie that they will be disfellowshipped if they read it, BROCAB STOP LYING PLS.
UNike you, they could quote psalm 83: 18 from the KJV, something that you refuse to do even after request was made many times!
Watch this if you dare? We can study the scriptures by watching the debate video. But if you aren't willing to do so, you will always be in darkness like the other video shows you and your comrades are. How can God keep His blessings upon you, if you are choosing not to believe in the Word of God...
The truth is, you can't answer his questions. This is why you will always keep on running from them..
achorladey: From the statement, it seems you dont really understand my question. If you cant follow the instruction attached to the question. Please look elsewhere. It is not a compulsory question Oga.
Dolphinheart-but you do not believe Jesus died , or do you?, for your false doctrines to stand you had to modify what Jesus said, trying to claim that it's his flesh that died and not him, I even when Jesus clearly said that he was dead![/quote]What did Jesus say up on the cross {John 19:30} It is finished, He bowed His head, and gave up His Spirit. Meaning His Spirit didn't die, but His flesh did. {Matthew 10:28} And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul. So Jesus Spirit left the flesh, and gave up His Spirit..
Dolphinheart-[b]Jesus HIMSELF IDENTIFIED WHO THE TRUE GOD IS. Joh 17:3This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God,and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ. * Jesus identified the true to you, his next words excludes him from the only person who is the true God, the true God sent him, the true God did not send himself, he sent his servant!
Maybe it's about time you asked the Lord into your life-and let Him teach you the Scriptures instead of trying to work them out from your own mind, Jesus had claimed through out the bible who He really is.Here's a very good example read {Isaiah 9:6} For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is Given, and the Government shall be upon His shoulder, and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The Mighty God, The everlasting Father, The prince of peace.
dolphinheart: You have once again shown that (1)YOU CANNOT ANSWER THE QUESTIONS POSED TO YOU, KNOWING FULLY WELL THAT ANSWERING THEM WILL EXPOSE YOU THE QUESTIONS ARE SIMPLE TO UNDERSTAND, STOP YOUR DUBIOUS TACTICS, THE QUESTIONS ARE SIMPLE AND ARE NUMBERED , ANSWER IT!
1.How do we know the truth if two people give contrary answers and both claim God spirit told them?
2. Jo 5:20And we know that the (1) Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know (2) him that is true, and we are in (3) him that is true, (4) even in (5) his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. now brocab, pls tell us: 2A. who is "the son of God" in (1) above, coloured red 2B. who is the "him" in (2) above, coloured blue 2C. who is the "him" in (3) above , coloured red 2D. what do you understand by the underlined "even In his son" in (4) 2E. who is the "his " in 5 above , coloured blue.
(2)YOU COULD NOT SUBSTANTIATE YOUR ACCUSATION BY POINTING TO A SCRIPTURE THAT I HAVE TWISTED IN THAT POST.
(3)YON COULD NOT DENY MY ACCUSATIONS IN THAT POST.
(4) YOU COULD NOT GIVE CONTRARY EXPLANATION TO ANY SCRIPTURE I QUOTED IN THAT POST
(5) YOU COULD NOT EXPLAIN THE SCRIPTURES OR FAULT MY EXPLANATION WHEN I USED THE SCRIPTURES TO SHOW YOU WHO THE TRUE GOD IS, WHO THE ONE GOD IS.
[b]Jesus HIMSELF IDENTIFIED WHO THE TRUE GOD IS. Joh 17:3This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ. * Jesus identified the true to you, his next words excludes him from the only person who is the true God, the true God sent him, the true God did not send himself, he sent his servant!
THE DISCIPLES IDENTIFY WHO THE ONE GOD IS 1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
THE SCRIPTURES TELL US WHO Jesus IS IN RELATION TO THAT ONE GOD 1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,
brocab , Jesus is the mediator between our one God and men , that is also comfirmed by the scriptures below Ro 8:34Who will condemn them? Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, more than that the one who was raised up, who is at the right hand of God and who also pleads for us.
Our one God is not pleading with himself!. read Heb 7:25, 1Jo 2:1
For someone who reasons, if you want to correct someone, you first point to where the mistake was made, then add your corrections, at no time have i ever said jesus is the mediator of god the devil. Therefore, your correction Comes out of a dubious intent, to make it look as if I said something I did not say!
below is the scripture I quoted, a scripture you cannot explain :
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,
And I supported my explanation of that scripture with the following scripture. Ro 8:34Who will condemn them? Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, more than that the one who was raised up, who is at the right hand of God and who also pleads for us. read Heb 7:25, 1Jo 2:1
ill also add this verse for emphasis [b]Heb 9:24For Christ did not enter into a holy place made with hands, which is a copy of the reality, but into heaven itself, so that he now appears before God on our behalf.
The above verses are true brocab, even Daniel saw the vision of the son of man being granted audience with the ancient of days! Jesus appears before God , Jesus is not God that he appears before!
but you do not believe Jesus died , or do you?, for your false doctrines to stand you had to modify what Jesus said, trying to claim that it's his flesh that died and not him, I even when Jesus clearly said that he was dead!
Lets make it easier, why not you quote, who is our saviour? Which of the two do we seek Jehovah or Jesus to be our saviour.
achorladey: What correlation does Achorladey have with the ex - JWs? Can you answer that please? Answer to your question is found in Dolphinheart response to your false analogy that Jehovah is Saviour, Jesus is Saviour. Go back and read his response and get the sense of it.
And if you just read a little further into {Matthew 1:21 to 1:23} You will read, Behold a Virgin shall be with child, and shall bring fourth a Son, and they shall call His name Emmanuel {Meaning God with us} And if you would just read {Isaiah 9:6} once more, you will see, Jesus is also called, Wonderful, Counsellor, The Mighty God, The everlasting Father, The prince of peace. {Philippians 2:9-10} Was given a name above every other name in heaven, on Earth and under the Earth. Jesus didn't have to call Himself the beginning and the end and the Almighty-Jesus is...
achorladey: You can't even decipher enough that all the names of the son of God(Jesus Christ) were given to him. Yet you say he called himself the beginning and the end and the Almighty Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Philippians 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: The records are right in front of you reason well on them.
If your authorities found out you were reading the KJV bible or any other bible in this matter-instead of reading the Watchtower magazines, you would be caste out, from the JW's organisation. Now this is the truth.
dolphinheart: that's what they say when they see that answering some questions will expose them!, they claim not interested.
simple request that you should modify your post so that when one quotes you , your words can be seen, you refuse to do so, so that you cannot be quoted.
You say the last time you checked-states that salvation belongs to Jehovah-if this is true-then why did these ex JW's turn to Jesus for their salvation. Why do we all turn to Jesus and not Jehovah? Unless you are now preferring Jehovah is now Jesus?
achorladey: When has watching a video becomes the key to salvation. Last time I checked and cross checked on Salvation as regards the scriptures. It states clearly salvation belongs to Jehovah. Oga brocab that is where salvation lies not in your ''dare to watch video''. Hope you get # reasoning behind that answer.
And if they are all numbered than you answer them yourself. I have answered your questions, all you need to do is read the bible and correct the Word Of God, and do yourself a favor get your dirty mind out of the Watchtower magazines and stop wasting my time. Allow me to correct you, Jesus isn't the mediator of your little "a" god the devil. This is what the bible says For we believe that Jesus died and rose again {1 Thessalonians 4:14, 1 Corinthians 15:4, 2 Corinthians 5:15, Luke 24 Jesus had risen} It's about time you had admitted Jesus was the one who was dead-and of course He is the one that {Revelation 1:17-18} Talks about-I AM HE THAT LIVES, AND WAS DEAD, AND BEHOLD I AM ALIVE FOREVERMORE.
dolphinheart: BROCAB, THE QUESTIONS ARE SIMPLE TO UNDERSTAND, STOP YOUR DUBIOUS TACTICS, THE QUESTIONS ARE SIMPLE AND ARE NUMBERED , ANSWER IT! How do we know the truth if two people give contrary answers and both claim God spirit told them?
2. Jo 5:20And we know that the (1) Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know (2) him that is true, and we are in (3) him that is true, (4) even in (5) his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. now brocab, pls tell us: 2A. who is "the son of God" in (1) above, coloured red 2B. who is the "him" in (2) above, coloured blue 2C. who is the "him" in (3) above , coloured red 2D. what do you understand by the underlined "even In his son" in (4) 2E who is the "his " in 5 above , coloured blue.
THE QUESTIONS ARE NUMBERED IN A SIMPLE MANNER , ANSWER THEM ONE BY ONE IN THAT MANNER!
Point to one scripture in that post that I have twisted, it's not good enough to just lay accusations without supplying evidence. All the scriptures I quoted in that post are from the scriptures, you refuse to quote yours. All the scriptures quoted have not been modified. All the scriptures quoted are in reference to the issue under discussion.
You could not give contrary explanation to any, not even one of the scriptures I quoted. You mention scriptures, put when one reads it, we find out it is contrary to what you are saying, no wonder you dnt quote them.
In that post I accused of saying several times that Jesus is not the son of God!. I've proven that my accusations are right, I've supplied evidence of where and when you made the statement.
On that post, I've accused you of not answering questions, you refusal to answer the questions above is a good example.
on that same post, I accused you of lying when you said that i refuse to believe that There is only One true God. I not only busted your lie, showING you what I believe, but I also showed you scriptures that support my statements and my belief. those scriptures you cannot find fault with neither are you willing to explain them, cus if you try it, it will expose you.
[b]Jesus HIMSELF IDENTIFIED WHO THE TRUE GOD IS. Joh 17:3This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ. * Jesus identified the true to you, his next words excludes him from the only person who is the true God, the true God sent him, the true God did not send himself, he sent his servant!
THE DISCIPLES IDENTIFY WHO THE ONE GOD IS 1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
THE SCRIPTURES TELL US WHO Jesus IS IN RELATION TO THAT ONE GOD 1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,
brocab , Jesus is the mediator between our one God and men , that is also comfirmed by the scriptures below Ro 8:34Who will condemn them? Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, more than that the one who was raised up, who is at the right hand of God and who also pleads for us.
Our one God is not pleading with himself!. read Heb 7:25, 1Jo 2:1
BROCAB, JESUS DIED!, the bible said it several times, it said Jesus died, Jesus is dead, even Jesus comfirmed It that he was dead, the disciples say Jesus was killed!, NO VERSE EVER SAID JESUS WAS ALIVE DURING THE TIME HE SAID HE WAS DEAD, NO VERSE EVER SAID IT'S ONLY HIS FLESH THAT DIED.
I WAS DEAD, JESUS SAID, NOT MY FLESH WAS DEAD!, THE PERSON CALLED JESUS DIED!
AND WE ALL KNOW GOD CANNOT DIE!
look at Jehovah's prophecy about Jesus Isa 53:12For that reason I will assign him a portion among the many, And he will apportion the spoil with the mighty, Because he poured out his life even to death And was counted among the transgressors; He carried the sin of many people, And he interceded for the transgressors. Brocab, Jesus gave his life, not only his flesh!
that is why he died! King James Version Mr 15:37And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost.
When Jesus was resurrected, he went to heaven, was exalted by God and sat at the right hand of God. Jesus did not sit at the right hand of himself , neither did God sit at the right hand of himself, Jesus was told by God to sit at hia right hand!
That's true-What happen with the black people the orders came from the top the Catholic Church..
alanka: white peoples have touched untouchable, beaten unbeatable, fought unfightable, lnsulted uninsultable and that dragging the world to its destruction. The solution to reduce the impart of the hit is to sacrifice some people to save others. Who are we going to sacrifice to the aliens? innocent black peoples, their teenagers, youths...africans have also been the ones paying for evil commited by white peoples. It is a time to let anyone that does evil pay for his evil by himself.
Yeh bro it is good, but not even the JW's will search for the truth like these Witnesses did. they took a risk by questioning the truth, these are the people that worked above, while the others that sit on the bottom where Dolphinheart sits and receives nothing. These brave warriors received their info straight from the horses mouths. They knew these are lies, they studied these lies, and they twisted these lies to their followers below. We just need to look at the evidence-look at Dolphinheart and argorladey, we read the rubbish they write everyday, and none of it make any sense. They give us scriptures, which doesn't line up 'what we have written. It's always good news to hear more people are finely understanding the truth about Christ, but the ex JW's in this video had found the hole truth and nothing but the truth. They lost millions because they dare to Questioned their organisation. I suppose when we look into it further, we could understand why Dolphinheart and argorladey act and write what they see-it is only because their own blindness carries them through to the next level, it is only because the top is sending them false teachings and understanding about the lies they themselves are receiving from the top. Mr fran-has a lot to answer for when it is his turn to front up to God. Sounds like Mr C. Russell, lives on once again.
johnw74: Bro, that video from ex jw's really shows just how evil false jw's are. satans church without a doubt, not his only one mind you
Again you have rejected the Word Of God-I have answered who the Son of God is-and still you refuse to recognise my answer-the Son of God is Jesus. And Him is the Son of God and the Father together as One.{John 5:20} And again you have showed the world you have a great hatred for the truth, that you are trying to twist the scriptures around-only because you haven't a clue what the meaning of them are, and if you had the Spirit of God living inside you, you wouldn't reject any thing that is written about the truth.. Your are a false accuser and a false prophet Dolphinheart. Every true Christian knows Jesus came in the flesh to live amongst men, Jesus's flesh died on the cross, Jesus was risen, not the Father, God didn't die, God is Spirit, the Father isn't coming back, but the Son, Every eye will see the Son of Man returning the way He was taken up into the clouds. Every eye will see the Lord coming in the clouds {Revelation 1:7} {Luke 21:27} At that time they will see the Son of man coming in the clouds, with power and great glory.
dolphinheart: As expected, you refused to answer the questions even after it was asked several times.
If one goes through the thread , their are many questions you refused, to answer, many scriptures you refused to explain when you are being called upon to explain them, why?, cus you know that given an answer or explanation will point you out as a false teacher. Hence you always try to change the issues every time. simple questions are asked , they are in order, all numbered for easy identifiction, yet you can't answer them.
1 .How do we know the truth if two people give contrary answers and both claim God spirit told them?
2. Jo 5:20And we know that the (1) Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know (2) him that is true, and we are in (3) him that is true, (4) even in (5) his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. now brocab, pls tell us: 2A. who is "the son of God" in (1) above, coloured red 2B. who is the "him" in (2) above, coloured blue 2C. who is the "him" in (3) above , coloured red 2D. what do you understand by the underlined "even In his son" in (4) 2E who is the "his " in 5 above , coloured blue.
You have decided to divert the issue from John 5: 20, you think that listing a number of scriptures will help you out, let's see if they do , or if they expose you further.
Yes , we believe that God's son is jesus, but you have said several times on this thread that jesus is not the son of God!. can you see how you flip flop on your doctrine?, how false your teachings are?.
You are full of lies , I believe their is only one true God, the scriptures helps us to identify who that true God is, I follow the scriptures identification, you do not!, you have formulated another true God for yourself, different from the God the disciples, scriptures and even jesus himself identified as God, the one true God and our God.
JESUS HIMSELF IDENTIFIED WHO THE TRUE GOD IS. Joh 17:3This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ. * jesus identified the true to you, his next words excludes him from the only person who is the true God, the true God sent him, the true God did not send himself, he sent his servant!
THE DISCIPLES IDENTIFY WHO THE ONE GOD IS [b]1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
THE SCRIPTURES TELL US WHO JESUS IS IN RELATION TO THAT ONE GOD 1Ti 2:5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,
brocab , jesus is the mediator between our one God and men , that is also comfirmed by the scriptures below Ro 8:34Who will condemn them? Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, more than that the one who was raised up, who is at the right hand of God and who also pleads for us.
Our one God is not pleading with himself!. read Heb 7:25, 1Jo 2:1
If you had read the scriptures very well, you would have understood who created the heavens and earth and who he used to do the creation. Heb 1:2Now at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things. Pr 8:30Then I was beside him as a master worker. I was the one he was especially fond of day by day; I rejoiced before him all the time;
You have a long way to go brocab, because you think two people have similar titles it means they are the same person, you know that that is wrong analogy cus you will refuse to use it on all cases in the scriptures where two persons have same titles. Jehovah himself calls a babylonian king "king of kings" (Eze 26:7), does this mean that this king is jesus?, absolute not! so stop using similarities in titles whenever it suits you, refusing to look at what the scriptures say about those titles.
Re 1:17When I saw him, I fell as dead at his feet. And he laid his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last, Re 1:18and the living one, and I became dead, but look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and of the Grave. you did not read those verses with insight, cus if you did, something must have clicked in your head and direct you to the scriptures that says God cannot die, therefore this person who claims to be dead is not the God that cannot die!
If you had studied further, you would have known why he is first and the last.
What first and last was he ? Ac 26:23that the Christ was to suffer and that as the first to be resurrected from the dead, he was going to proclaim light both to this people and to the nations.” Col 1:18and he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he might become the one who is first in all things; Re 1:5and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,” “the firstborn from the dead,” and “the Ruler of the kings of the earth.” To him who loves us and who set us free from our sins by means of his own blood Re 2:8“And to the angel of the congregation in Smyrʹna write: These are the things that he says, ‘the First and the Last,’ who became dead and came to life again:
brocab, the writer of exodus, deut and isaiah did not use the word "ego eimi" , the word is Greek and they did not write in Greek, so stop lying!
ego eimi (Ancient Greek: ἐγώ εἰμί Greek pronunciation: [eɡɔ̌ː eːmí]) "I am", "I exist", is the first person singular present tense of the verb "to be" in ancient Greek.
you listed scriptures where jesus used that word in a sentence, you could not quote the full sentence, cus it will show how much of a dubious person you are. If the use of "ego eimi" means that that person is God, then John the babtist is "I AM" (matt 3: 11), and the army officer is also " I AM" ( MATT 8: 8 ). brocab, can you see how the scriptures exposes false , derived teachings, your theories are selective and cannot be allied in all cases!
Brocab, read the scriptures and know why jesus is judge, it was because God apointed him to be a judge!
joh 5:22For the Father judges no one at all, but he has entrusted all the judging to the Son,
Ac 17:31Because he has set a day on which he purposes to judge the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed, and he has provided a guarantee to all men by resurrecting him from the dead.”
you open the bible, searching for points you think supports your theory, you do not read to understand. searching for similarities does not help!. Jesus would not have been judge if his father, the only true God , had not appointed him to judge.
Again you refuse to read the scriptures, who made jesus king, his father , his God ! Lu 1:32This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High, and Jehovah God will give him the throne of David his father Lu 1:33and he will rule as King over the house of Jacob forever, and there will be no end to his Kingdom.”
Jer 23:5“Look! The days are coming,” declares Jehovah, “when I will raise up to David a righteous sprout. And a king will reign and show insight and uphold justice and righteousness in the land. Mt 1:1The book of the history of Jesus Christ, son of David, son of Abraham:
IF YOU HAD READ THE SCRIPTURES, YOU WOULD HAVE KNOWN HOW JESUS CAME TO BE KING Da 7:13, 14“I kept watching in the visions of the night, and look! with the clouds of the heavens, someone like a son of man was coming; and he gained access to the Ancient of Days, and they brought him up close before that One.14 And to him there were given rulership, honor, and a kingdom, that the peoples, nations, and language groups should all serve him. His rulership is an everlasting rulership that will not pass away, and his kingdom will not be destroyed.
1Co 15:25For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet.
Who do you think appointed jesus as savior, who do you think sends savior to save us, it is the father, the God of mercies, JeHovah. Ne 9:27For this you gave them into the hand of their adversaries, who kept causing them distress. But they would cry out to you in the time of their distress, and you would hear from the heavens; and because of your great mercy, you would give them saviors to rescue them out of the hand of their adversaries.
Jg 3:9When the Israelites called to Jehovah for help, Jehovah raised up a savior to rescue the Israelites, Othʹni·el the son of Keʹnaz, the younger brother of Caʹleb.
JUST AS NUMEROUS TIMES DURING THOSE DAYS, JEHOVAH TOO HAD SENT JESUS TO SAVE US King James Version 1Jo 4:14And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
King James Version Ac 5:31Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
no wonder jesus knew the true source of our saving acts, he knew who to pray to, follow his lead! King James Version Heb 5:7Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
Go read up on the word " Shepherd and how the scriptures used it, even those who lead in the congregation are called Shepherdsomething, does it mean they are God, No!. God gave his followers to jesus, jesus took care of God's sheep!
You case is getting desperate brocab. You are just looking for similarities , refusing to read the scriptures extensively with an open mind. The scriptures below will help you. Isa 45:7I form light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, Jehovah, am doing all these things.
1Jo 1:5This is the message that we heard from him and are announcing to you: God is light, and there is no darkness at all in him.
Jas 1:17Every good gift and every perfect present is from above, coming down from the Father of the celestial lights, who does not vary or change like the shifting shadows.
Ps 36:9With you is the source of life; By your light we can see light. From the above scriptures I hope you see who is the source of light.
let's see what that person who is the source of light say about jesus when he prophesied about his servant he will send. Isa 42:6, 7“I, Jehovah, have called you in righteousness; I have taken hold of your hand. I will safeguard you and give you as a covenant for the people And as a light of the nations, 7For you to open the blind eyes, To bring the prisoner out of the dungeon And those sitting in darkness out of the prison.
Can you see how Jehovah, the source of light made jesus to be a light of the world? Read Isa 9:1, 2, Mt 4:13-16.
someone said while jesus was a baby [b]Lu 2:28he took the child into his arms and praised God and said: Lu 2:29“Now, Sovereign Lord, you are letting your slave go in peace according to your declaration, Lu 2:30 because my eyes have seen your means of salvation Lu 2:31that you have prepared in the sight of all the peoples, Lu 2:32 a light for removing the veil from the nations and a glory of your people Israel.”
Even if you think being a light of the world means you are God , it means those jesus was talking to in the verse below are God too!, and we all know it's false [b]Mt 5:14“ You are the light of the world. A city cannot be hid when located on a mountain.
yes , case is really closed. Go and read the scriptures and stop looking for similarities!
Jesus has a God superior to him, his father who he is subjected to, he calls his father his God, and he had Identified the father as our God too, the only true God. do not change who jesus says is the only true God, do not add to it!
Yes I do mean the truth about all the corruption that's written page after page inside the NWT Bible, had all been revealed. Most of the NWT scriptures, that you yourself had refused to believe-to state any argument, nothing written in the Watchtower magazine is to do with any bible knowledge-and yet you dare to call yourselves men/women of God, which God? A none bible reading God? A none believing organisation-who had proven to the world there false prophesy's since the beginning of 1874 until today.
achorladey: You mean the truth is being revealed through the NWT? Keep on reading it will help your case as it seems.
Already answered above, all you need to do is just open your eye's to the truth-next Question all scriptured. Scriptures that not even you can deny-Everyone can see, everyone that believes have their eye's open, everyone knows, Jesus's title is the same as God's title.. So keep on smiling, it will do you good-because the truth will set you free.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOwQ9RBlTck Dare to Watch this video if you are willing, It will do you good, it will save your soul from the destruction you are about to see.
achorladey: please follow the instructions given to questions asked. How many times will l correct you on numerous use of scriptures without proper application. I kept smiling after reading through all the scriptures cited. I know for a certainty someone made him Lord and Christ. Can you decipher that? Thats all in summary!!!
You don't know who the son of God is? Well I will tell you it's Jesus. Lets examine the scriptures on a much larger view point, scriptures of course, you refuse to believe that There is only One true God. God is Creator:{Genesis 1:1, Job 33:4, Isaiah 40:28} Jesus is Creator: {John 1:1-3, Colossians 1:12-17, Hebrews 1:8-12} God is the First and the Last:{ Isaiah 41:4, 44:6, 48:12} Jesus is the first and the Last: {Revelation 1:17, 2:8, 22:13} God is I AM: {Ego eimi}{ Exodus 3:13,14, Deutoronomy 32:39, Isaiah 43:10} Jesus is I AM: {Ego eimi}{John 8:24,58, 13:19, 18:5} God is Judge: {Genesis 18:25, Psalm 96:13, Joel 3:12} Jesus is Judge: {2 Timothy 4:1, 2 corinthians 5:10, Romans 14:10-12} God is king: {Psalm 47, Isaiah 44:6-8, Jeremiah 10:10} Jesus is king:{Matthew 2:1-6, John 19:21, 1 Timothy 6:13-16} God is Saviour:{Psalm 106:21, Isaiah 43:3-11, 45:21-23} Jesus is Saviour:{John 4:42, Acts 4:10-12, 1 John 4:14} God is Shepherd:{Psalm 23, 100:3, Isaiah 40:11} Jesus is Shepherd:{ John 10:11, Hebrews 13:20, 1 Peter 5:4} God is Light:{Psalm 27:1, Isaiah 60:20} Jesus is Light: {John 1:9, 8:12} God is Rock:{Deut 32:4, 1 Sam 2:2, 2 Sam 22:32, Psalm 31:3, 78:35, 89:26, Isaiah 17:10} Jesus is Rock:{ 1 Corinthians 10:4, 1 Peter 2:8} God is Redeemer:{Psalm 49:15, 78:35, Isaiah 43:14, 44:6, 47:4, 49:26} Jesus is Redeemer: {Galatians 3:13} This should sum this up as clear as the Word Of God tells us, its true.. NWT {Revelation 22:20} He that bears witness of these things says "Yes I AM" coming quickly". Amen! Come Lord Jesus. And what does the JW's say in there bible { 1 Peter 3:15} But sanctify the Christ as Lord in your own heart. And Jehovah is a meaning to Lord... Case is closed.
1. How do we know the truth if two people give contrary answers and both claim God spirit told them?
2. Jo 5:20And we know that the (1) Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know (2) him that is true, and we are in (3) him that is true, (4) even in (5) his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. now brocab, pls tell us: 2A. who is "the son of God" in (1) above, coloured red 2B. who is the "him" in (2) above, coloured blue 2C. who is the "him" in (3) above , coloured red 2D. what do you understand by the underlined "even In his son" in (4) 2E who is the "his " in 5 above , coloured blue.
To be honest I don't need your exemption ,because your bible is answering all my questions, without reading the watchtower magazines, the truth is being revealed.
listen to this-I was just reading the NWT Bible and it say's this {1 Peter 3:15} But sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts. Meaning the name Jehovah is Christ. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOwQ9RBlTck
[quote author achorladey post=51813068]Your point of view not mine.[/quote]
You still haven't explained to me, why your bible holds some truth, and yet you don't believe it.
achorladey: Who told you it's my Bible? When last I check I have not authored any Bible. Abi na my name dey there? Oga learn to reason wella, when you are ready contact me. That your reading the NWT is good for you, keep it up.
It already shows us clearly that no bible fits into your structure to know who God really is. Not even the NWT is good for anybody, because of its twisted and removed scriptures. If you were truly a Christian you would read the truth who God really is, instead you would rather chase after a cult, one's that deny's God full stop. But to find the NWT Bible reads out completely to the opposite to your own understanding, really shows, you are not knowledgable at all. Your world is about destroying the world and everyone that exist in it.. Your God had already revealed himself to you, who had come to steal, kill, and destroy.
achorladey: Who told you it's my Bible? When last I check I have not authored any Bible. Abi na my name dey there? Oga learn to reason wella, when you are ready contact me. That your reading the NWT is good for you, keep it up.
It seems you haven't looked into your own bible to even know scripture enough to know the truth about who your God is. Greater-{Genesis 1:1, Job 33:4, Isaiah 40:28, which matches up with, John1:1-3 Colossians 1:12-17, Hebrews 1:8-12} This is only the start of it.
achorladey: Oga wetin concern you, na you get the kweshion? When you don get better lesson on hw to reason wella on top scriptures wey you Brocab dey quote tell me.
Ask them again-but explain to me why your bible holds these truths? Which of course you yourself refuses to accept.
dolphinheart: 1. again you refuse to answer the question asked, how do we know the truth if two people give contrary answers and both claim God spirit told them? 2. The scripture you posted has been addressed long ago, I asked you about four questions on it several times over and over again, you refuse to answer, you bring the scripture up again, if I explain it to you , you will not accept, if I asked you question about it, you will not respond.
Instead of asking these silly questions you should be studying your own bible, this is something you should be doing? Your NWT bible holds a lot of truth-and still you refuse to take note of it. Hypocrite {1 John 5:20} Says it all, the JW's had written it, and of course must believe it.
achorladey: Oga you never explain finish nw, what about Holy Spirit nw? Am waiting for ''Holy Spirit is also called Almighty Holy Spirit''.
Let me show you the truth that even the JW's had written it and of course must believe it. NWT {1 John 5:20} But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us insight" so that we my gain the knowledge of the One who is true. And we are in union with the One who is true, by means of His Son Jesus Christ. THIS IS THE TRUE GOD AND LIFE EVER LASTING. NIV {1 John 5:20} We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know Him Who is true. And we are in Him Who is true-even in His Son Jesus Christ, HE IS THE TRUE GOD AND ETERNAL LIFE. KJV {1 John 5:20} And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understand that we may know Him, Who is true, and we are in Him, Who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ, THIS IS THE TRUE GOD AND ETERNAL LIFE. So instead of judging, try reading your own bible-even the JW's had written "Jesus Christ is the true God"
dolphinheart: now if someone says he too asks God for answers and God told him that that the words of that verse where not inspired by him, what will you do, how do we know which one of you is right?
I am seeking after the truth, and nothing but the truth, so help me God. NWT Bible {Matthew 28:19} "Say's" Go therefore, and Make disciples of the people of all the nations, "Baptising them in the"NAME"{Notice it said Name "Not Names"} In the Name of the father the Son and of the Holy Spirit. "How many names do you see are mentioned? I am finding it strange how the JW's say the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit are separated. NWT Bible {John 10:30} I and the Father are One, This scripture is one of the JW's arguments, denying Jesus, that He had even said such a statement. NWT Bible {John 20:28} Thomas said to Him MY Lord and My God. You JW's claim to know Christ, but you refuse His Word, Dolphinheart claims he believes in the bible throughout, Maybe none of you had read these verses written in your bible-I actually believe none of you realise these scriptures even exist.
achorladey: Where have you been? Oh I see you ve been reading the JWs Bible. Good for you on that. I am only interested in your explanation on this ''Working together as one''. Then, what is that 'word' Christ isn't true to? Let me know.
I was reading the NWT Bible and I found something interesting, about the Trinity how the JW's refuse to believe in Heart, but in Word their own bible believes in {1 Peter 1:2} This is something not even you can deny-either your bible is lying, or the JW's in person are lying? {1 Peter 1:2}"NWT" Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for Obedience and the sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ. It amazes me, how you all swear black and blue-that Christ isn't true to His Word, and your very own bible-proves you wrong. It clearly shows us-all 3 are working together as One..
achorladey: Two holding the very same title, to me there are still two I ams. Are you seeing what am seeing?
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:35pm On Dec 17, 2016
