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Christianity Etc › Re: Ever Heard Of Atheistic Evolution? by budaatum(op): 2:08pm On Mar 10, 2019
LordReed:
If the universe is determinstic then chance cannot exist.
How can one honestly claim the "universe is deterministic"? Does anyone honestly believe their existence is already determined?
Christianity Etc › Re: Ever Heard Of Atheistic Evolution? by budaatum(op): 2:06pm On Mar 10, 2019
shadeyinka:
I think you are trying to play on words because the question you first need to answer is "what is nothing?"

We also know that for emptiness to be "something" it's got to have dimensional properties. Isn't it?
People tend to say one is "playing on words" when they refuse to consider what is meant by those words. No, I am not playing on words. "My fridge is empty" and "There is nothing in my fridge", could be valid and true statements, but my kitchen in which the fridge stands is not empty, and if I wished to play on words I would claim even my fridge is not exactly empty since it contains a particular 'nothing'. I'm sure there's still air in it for instance, and that air is something, though, nothing, as far as I might be concerned.

Emptiness is a property of something. You must have something to talk about it being empty (of particular things). "Nothing", is exactly that, no-thing, the absence of everything including air and space.
Family › Re: Discussion: Do You Think Women Are Equal Or Inferior To Men? by budaatum: 1:50pm On Mar 10, 2019
AntiBrutus:
ALL HUMANS ARE EQUAL, irrespective of their gender, race or color. Their capabilities may be different, but they are first humans before any other thing.

That anyone would think he is superior because he came out with a dick, something that was obviously not his choice. Something that he might not have if his parents chose to fck on a different day is ludicrous.

If you want to be superior to any human, go out there and work for it. You don't earn it because you have a third leg.
I'd love to agree with you but just can't. Men are pigs! They are in no way equal to the woman! Out of the woman comes life and the human race and if 'man' does not get it we shall farm them for sperm alone. Equal my ass!
Family › Re: Discussion: Do You Think Women Are Equal Or Inferior To Men? by budaatum: 1:45pm On Mar 10, 2019
markdgreat:
but remember God him self makes man the head of every woman ...aspect lk leadership, taking risk, brave , bold, defense etc
Really? The God who in the beginning "created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them," made "man the head of every woman" huh

Where exactly did God change God's mind?
Christianity Etc › Re: The Way by budaatum(op): 1:27pm On Mar 10, 2019
Proverbs 26 Amplified Bible (AMP)
Similitudes, Instructions
26 Like snow in summer and like rain in harvest,
So honor is not fitting for a [shortsighted] [a]fool.
2
Like the sparrow in her wandering, like the swallow in her flying,
So the curse without cause does not come and alight [on the undeserving].
3
A whip for the horse, a bridle for the donkey,
And a rod for the backs of fools [who refuse to learn].
4
Do not answer [nor pretend to agree with the frivolous comments of] a [closed-minded] fool according to his folly,
Otherwise you, even you, will be like him.
5
Answer [and correct the erroneous concepts of] a fool according to his folly,
Otherwise he will be wise in his own eyes [if he thinks you agree with him].
6
He who sends a message by the hand of a fool
Cuts off his own feet (sabotages himself) and drinks the violence [it brings on himself as a consequence].
7
Like the legs which are useless to the lame,
So is a proverb in the mouth of a fool [who cannot learn from its wisdom].
8
Like one who [absurdly] binds a stone in a sling [making it impossible to throw],
So is he who [absurdly] gives honor to a fool.
9
Like a thorn that goes [without being felt] into the hand of a drunken man,
So is a proverb in the mouth of a fool [who remains unaffected by its wisdom].
10
Like a [careless] archer who [shoots arrows wildly and] wounds everyone,
So is he who hires a fool or those who [by chance just] pass by.
11
Like a dog that returns to his vomit
Is a fool who repeats his foolishness.
12
Do you see a man [who is unteachable and] wise in his own eyes and full of self-conceit?
There is more hope for a fool than for him.
13
The lazy person [who is self-indulgent and relies on lame excuses] says, “There is a lion in the road!
A lion is in the open square [and if I go outside to work I will be killed]!”
14
As the door turns on its hinges,
So does the lazy person on his bed [never getting out of it].
15
The lazy person buries his hand in the dish [losing opportunity after opportunity];
It wearies him to bring it back to his mouth.
16
The lazy person is wiser in his own eyes
Than seven [sensible] men who can give a discreet answer.
17
Like one who grabs a dog by the ears [and is likely to be bitten]
Is he who, passing by, stops to meddle with a dispute that is none of his business.
18
Like a madman who throws
Firebrands, arrows, and death,
19
So is the man who deceives his neighbor (acquaintance, friend)
And then says, “Was I not joking?”
20
For lack of wood the fire goes out,
And where there is no whisperer [who gossips], contention quiets down.
21
Like charcoal to hot embers and wood to fire,
So is a contentious man to kindle strife.
22
The words of a whisperer (gossip) are like dainty morsels [to be greedily eaten];
They go down into the innermost chambers of the body [to be remembered and mused upon].
23
Like a [common] clay vessel covered with the silver dross [making it appear silver when it has no real value]
Are burning lips [murmuring manipulative words] and a wicked heart.
24
He who hates, disguises it with his lips,
But he stores up deceit in his heart.
25
When he speaks graciously and kindly [to conceal his malice], do not trust him,
For seven abominations are in his heart.
26
Though his hatred covers itself with guile and deceit,
His malevolence will be revealed openly before the assembly.
27
Whoever digs a pit [for another man’s feet] will fall into it,
And he who rolls a stone [up a hill to do mischief], it will come back on him.
28
A lying tongue hates those it wounds and crushes,
And a flattering mouth works ruin.
Christianity Etc › Re: Ever Heard Of Atheistic Evolution? by budaatum(op): 1:18pm On Mar 10, 2019
shadeyinka:
I think what you have is defining your boundary enclosure as space. But is it?
Yes, I think so too. A space is enclosed in a boundary. A boundary can be empty of things but since it is an enclosed space itself it can't be nothing.
Christianity Etc › Re: Ever Heard Of Atheistic Evolution? by budaatum(op): 8:05pm On Mar 09, 2019
shadeyinka:
I think you are the one to answer these questions!
You can't have an empty space in the sense that you've stated. Once you've defined a space you already have something, a space, which is not, 'nothing'.
Christianity Etc › Re: Ever Heard Of Atheistic Evolution? by budaatum(op): 7:56pm On Mar 09, 2019
shadeyinka:
How indeed is dead budaatum better than a dead chicken?
Why are we talking about a "dead budaatum"? Surely the one is better than the other, you can eat dead chicken for starts huh

shadeyinka:
You have value only when you are alive...of smiles you give and joys you spread.
"Have value only when you are alive"? Surely, that's not true! Some have no value alive and some have none dead but there's quite a lot of people who continue to add value to peoples' lives way long after they've died, or don't Fela, Marley, Aristotle, Jesus, Mohammed, Socrates, Newton and my father to name a few, not continue to add immense value to peoples lives today long after they've been dead? Surely budaatum can be dead someday?

shadeyinka:
If ultimately you die after 106 years on earth. What is it to you.
106 years is a lot of time for me to live and at the end "what is it to me"! Ordinary a decade on Nairaland and I consider "what is it to me everyday", how much less a forever 106 years!

When buda dies, or at least, before, it will be a lot to me!

shadeyinka:
It's like a farmer who built the biggest farm through hardwork and didn't live to eat from it. What are all his effort for?
No, it is not! Whether he eats out of it is irrelevant, though how he could work so hard without nourishing himself from time to time from his own effort sounds rather odd a thing to do. You do know building big farms takes years of farming right? He'd likely not be starving while building "the biggest farm through hardwork" because his smaller farms would still be producing and his barns would not be empty.

It is more like a farmer who built the biggest farm through hardwork so through his efforts others do not starve!
Christianity Etc › Re: Ever Heard Of Atheistic Evolution? by budaatum(op): 7:20pm On Mar 09, 2019
shadeyinka:
Empty space is still something!?
Prove it!
Before I prove it, let's be certain we are on the same page.

Consider an empty space. Where is it? Has it got a size? What is it? Please.
Christianity Etc › Re: Ever Heard Of Atheistic Evolution? by budaatum(op): 6:08pm On Mar 09, 2019
Dhumancanvas:
I didn't post that to address the meaning/reason for life tho. I posted it to illustrate how ones religious belief can lead to/promote some negative/distructive thought processes like 'blow myself up or 'life is meaningless'.
I know you didn't. Though, your choice still amused me. You seemed to leave out the many more who have actually found meaning in religion.

Religion was very "early school". Some people decided to 'educate' people with the knowledge of the day. It has evolved into education and school, mostly, but the seeds of it germinated in religion. I am suggesting that without religion there likely wouldn't be education, society would be worse off and we'd likely all die sooner. Would you agree?
Christianity Etc › Re: Ever Heard Of Atheistic Evolution? by budaatum(op): 5:52pm On Mar 09, 2019
johnydon22:
Naivety doesn't make something false to be true.

You could think from your ignorant position that your assertion is true, doesn't make it so.
I agree. Unfortunately, I am human, an ignorant human at that when all is considered. Prone to asserting what I know, think, or believe, is, until my eyes hopefully open and I see.
Christianity Etc › Re: Ever Heard Of Atheistic Evolution? by budaatum(op): 5:29pm On Mar 09, 2019
shadeyinka:
Actually, science says there but was nothing before the big bang. It was just an empty space with an infinitesimally small but dense singleton. The universe had a beginning: approximately 15 billion years ago. Science agrees that the universe is no eternal...in fact, we know that the universe had been expanding since the big bang.
Sorry, but "science" does not say there was nothing before the big bang! If there was nothing before the big bang, there would be nothing to go bang for starts, and "empty space" is still something, a space with nothing in it.

It is the universe as we know it that a beginning is claimed for. Human knowledge just doesn't go further than that.
Christianity Etc › Re: Ever Heard Of Atheistic Evolution? by budaatum(op): 5:24pm On Mar 09, 2019
johnydon22:
That is exactly the whole meaning of truth.

In Aristotle's words "To assert that that which is is, is truth. To assert that that which is not, is, false"

Or "to assert that that which is not, is not, is truth. To assert that that which is, is not, is false"
Ah! But there is a problem here. You will find that what I assert is 'what is' according to me, unless I were lying by asserting that which I know to be false.

And I could be claiming a truth from my ignorant position is objective truth (as is most often done).
Christianity Etc › Re: Ever Heard Of Atheistic Evolution? by budaatum(op): 5:17pm On Mar 09, 2019
Dhumancanvas:
haha...i totally agree man
But for real pops is a billionaire and actually its 5m i need to borrow grin
lol.
I'll believe you if you'd accept monopoly money and pay back in dollars.
Christianity Etc › Re: Ever Heard Of Atheistic Evolution? by budaatum(op): 5:15pm On Mar 09, 2019
Dhumancanvas:
True but it can promote that line of thought.
Extremist are extremist regardless of religion. But when you have a religion that paints a pretty picture of a sex filled after life when you die in service to God by killing so called hedons then its easy to make leap and actually go blow yourself if you believe it serves the greater good and has a reward at the end.
An ordinarily rational person can logically come to such conclusion if they fully believe that.
But what you describe above (a sex filled after life when you die) is not a life without meaning, although not a very good meaning for living, since it is the exact opposite - a reason for dying! And thankfully, no credible religion teaches such stupidity, (though some people do teach it).

A better meaning (reason) of life would in my opinion be, “[url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+1%3A26-28&version=NIV]Be fruitful[/url] and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.” If you checked you'd find this is the reason most live.
Christianity Etc › Re: Ever Heard Of Atheistic Evolution? by budaatum(op): 5:03pm On Mar 09, 2019
Dhumancanvas:
I like that.
I would still add that one has to be convinced. I could tell you im a billionaire's son and you wouldn't believe me. Then I pull up in a G wagon(which could have been borrowed), you don't have all the facts but you've seen enough to say okay I believe you because you've seen evidence that convinves you.
Yes, convinced, and, not just "seen evidence that convinces me", but scrutinising that evidence, and examining my means of scrutiny too, since I might be deceiving myself, or you might be deceiving me. After all, even though I say I believe you, I would still require more evidence before I loan you a million.

Shows the poverty in thinking what I believe is the truth, I reckon. I could be wrong.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Way by budaatum(op): 4:51pm On Mar 09, 2019
Anas09:
Buda, Satan is not imaginary. Talking we doing and saying satan is imaginary, is like saying we do righteous acts, yet call Jesus imaginary.
The Master of evil acts is satan. Those things don't just happen without a propeller
Satan is an imaginary creation we create when we do evil. It disappears in a puff of insignificant smoke when the Light of Understanding shines. And Jesus lives when I make Jesus live in me.

The propeller is ignorance (satan). And the Word is the cure for it.
Christianity Etc › Re: Ever Heard Of Atheistic Evolution? by budaatum(op): 4:42pm On Mar 09, 2019
Dhumancanvas:
thats a sad view on life my friend. One of the reasons i dislike religious belief is because it promotes this kind of view.
That life is meaningless? Personally, I would not blame religion for the error of one individual.
Christianity Etc › Re: Ever Heard Of Atheistic Evolution? by budaatum(op): 4:41pm On Mar 09, 2019
shadeyinka:
Unfortunately, life is of a truth meaningless!

We are all in a race we don't even understand.

Life by itself is meaningless!
You should perhaps learn to speak for yourself instead of generalising for everyone else.
Christianity Etc › Re: Ever Heard Of Atheistic Evolution? by budaatum(op): 4:39pm On Mar 09, 2019
Dhumancanvas:
well i thank you for your directness and honesty. Unfortunately 'just believe it' doesn't work for me. Frankly I don't think it works for anyone. Belief is a function of conviction. If you're convinced you're not going to be by someone saying 'just believe it'. On that note i believe that alot of people who claim to believe dont even really believe they only feel that they ought to and answer yes when asked but really belief doesn't work like that and those people are just fooling themselves .

That's alot of believe lol
The statement "I believe" means, "I have absolutely no evidence whatsoever for what I speak of and I just accept it as so with no evidence whatsoever". Another word to describe me would be "very ignorant indeed", if I believed, that is.

"Believe" does not work for me either. It doesn't work for anyone. Things that are believed are things that are not exactly known. If they were known, one would stop believing them and know them instead. In Christspeak, [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+7%3A24-27&version=ESV]believing is like building one's house on sand[/url].
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 3:34pm On Mar 09, 2019
Temple1288:
House votes in favor of illegal immigrant voting.
Illegal immigrants — and indeed noncitizens as a whole — are not legally able to participate in federal elections.
Christianity Etc › Re: Ever Heard Of Atheistic Evolution? by budaatum(op): 3:24pm On Mar 09, 2019
Dhumancanvas:
Man I'd love to hear it. Im surrounded by believers and they all claim there is something there and im open to whatever it is although my scepticism. If you can convince me beyond a reasonable doubt then please go ahead
Lol! Don't miss the quotation marks. Perhaps I should have said "I can't explain it, just believe me" , then you might have noticed the irony in my statement (which I notice you did with your:
Dhumancanvas:
'Unknown and mysterious' yet you know it to be intelligent. huh
Christ advised that one should worry not about the Father in heaven, for, ‘[url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+25%3A40-45&version=NIV;KJV]Truly I tell you[/url], whenever I buda do not do for one of the least of these I am proclaiming that there is no God.’

Point is, I don't have to prove anything to you, and if I have a brain and mind should be proving it to myself "beyond a reasonable doubt".
Christianity Etc › Re: The Way by budaatum(op): 3:01pm On Mar 09, 2019
Anas09:
Buda, don't you think it'll be good to add a lil comment after each post?
It would be very good indeed, but I decided not to add my tares to wheat at this point in time so that it remains God's Way and not buda's opinion of the way.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Way by budaatum(op): 2:55pm On Mar 09, 2019
Anas09:
This verses If your enemy is hungry, give him bread to eat;
And if he is thirsty, give him water to drink;
. Agrees with the Lord's teachings But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Matthew:5:44

But i bits me where praying angry violent, prayers against fellow men came from and when it started in Christiandom. Who started it?

We are all taken by this web, but am breaking free.
It's almost a year now! Do you now understand why it is said that "by grace is one saved"?

I often wonder why so called "Jesus in my life" people behave like "satan in their life" people, and rather than use the Jesus super power of 'turn the other cheek', they use the satan weakness of 'slap first really hard before the other lifts a hand'. Do they not like being blessed perhaps, or do they just know not what they do and should be taught?

We started it Anas. We do the evil then refuse to accept responsibility for our acts and blame some imaginary satan. "Let your light shine", says the word. I put it to you that on here, everyone's light shines in their words, but some's shinning is actually darkness that glorifies satan. When I, buda, do not do that which is godly, I crucify God by doing that which is ungodly and when I crucify God I appoint satan to reign or at least try to.

So, a prayer. Make us the salt of the earth so our light so shines that our works glorify the Father in heaven by the Grace of the Lord God Almighty.
Christianity Etc › Re: Ever Heard Of Atheistic Evolution? by budaatum(op): 1:37pm On Mar 09, 2019
TV01:
Yes, I'm aware such views exist. However, I don't agree they can be inferred from the scriptural narrative and contradict it in several ways - which I noted.
The knowledge of God as acquired by humans is very clearly shown in the Bible. In the beginning, no one knew God and page by page our knowledge "evolves", really is the best word to describe it. Even God's nature changed over time from "out of the sweat of thy brow", to "For God so loved the world" with many steps in between. But I would only expect those who began reading their Bible from the beginning to the end one page at a time to see this.
Christianity Etc › Re: Ever Heard Of Atheistic Evolution? by budaatum(op): 1:29pm On Mar 09, 2019
shadeyinka:
Designed and built:
Design because we see interlinked functionalities
Built because we interact with the designs in 3D

Did I say "it exists?'
Surely, a thing "designed and built" exists or must have existed at some point in time huh
Christianity Etc › Re: Ever Heard Of Atheistic Evolution? by budaatum(op): 1:18pm On Mar 09, 2019
TV01:
No sir, it cannot. Not the Christianity of the Holy Bible. The scriptural narrative and TOE present diametrically opposed propositions.
Theistic evolution, theistic evolutionism, evolutionary creationism or God-guided evolution are views that regard religious teachings about God as compatible with modern scientific understanding about biological evolution. Theistic evolution is not in itself a scientific theory, but a range of views about how the science of general evolution relates to religious beliefs in contrast to special creation views.

Supporters of theistic evolution generally harmonize evolutionary thought with belief in God, rejecting the conflict thesis regarding the relationship between religion and science – they hold that religious teachings about creation and scientific theories of evolution need not contradict each other.
Christianity Etc › Re: Ever Heard Of Atheistic Evolution? by budaatum(op): 1:13pm On Mar 09, 2019
shadeyinka:
As it suits you.
But a design must involve a designer and that's the point
But are you not jumping from "it exists", to "it was designed"?
Christianity Etc › Re: The Way by budaatum(op): 1:06pm On Mar 09, 2019
Proverbs 25 Amplified Bible (AMP)
Similitudes, Instructions
25 These are also the proverbs of Solomon, which the men of Hezekiah king of Judah copied:

2
It is the glory of God to conceal a matter,
But the glory of kings is to search out a matter.
3
As the heavens for height and the earth for depth,
So the hearts and minds of kings are [a]unsearchable.
4
Take away the dross from the silver,
And there comes out [the pure metal for] a vessel for the silversmith [to shape].
5
Take away the wicked from before the king,
And his throne will be established in righteousness.
6
Do not be boastfully ambitious and claim honor in the presence of the king,
And do not stand in the place of great men;
7
For it is better that it be said to you, “Come up here,”
Than for you to be placed lower in the presence of the prince,
Whom your eyes have seen.

8
Do not rush out to argue your case [before magistrates or judges];
Otherwise what will you do in the end [when your case is lost and]
When your neighbor (opponent) humiliates you?
9
Argue your case with your neighbor himself [before you go to court];
And do not reveal another’s secret,
10
Or he who hears it will shame you
And the rumor about you [and your action in court] will have no end.

11
Like apples of gold in settings of silver
Is a word spoken at the right time.
12
Like an earring of gold and an ornament of fine gold
Is a wise reprover to an ear that listens and learns.
13
Like the cold of snow [brought from the mountains] in the time of harvest,
So is a faithful messenger to those who send him;
For he refreshes the life of his masters.
14
Like clouds and wind without rain
Is a man who boasts falsely of gifts [he does not give].
15
By patience and a calm spirit a ruler may be persuaded,
And a soft and gentle tongue breaks the bone [of resistance].
16
Have you found [pleasure sweet like] honey? Eat only as much as you need,
Otherwise, being filled excessively, you vomit it.
17
Let your foot seldom be in your neighbor’s house,
Or he will become tired of you and hate you.
18
Like a club and a sword and a piercing arrow
Is a man who testifies falsely against his neighbor (acquaintance).
19
Like a broken tooth or an unsteady foot
Is confidence in an unfaithful man in time of trouble.
20
Like one who takes off a garment in cold weather, or like [a reactive, useless mixture of] vinegar on soda,
Is he who [thoughtlessly] sings [joyful] songs to a heavy heart.
21
If your enemy is hungry, give him bread to eat;
And if he is thirsty, give him water to drink;
22
For in doing so, you will [b]heap coals of fire upon his head,
And the Lord will reward you.
23
The north wind brings forth rain;
And a backbiting tongue, an angry countenance.
24
It is better to live in a corner of the housetop [on the flat roof, exposed to the weather]
Than in a house shared with a quarrelsome (contentious) woman.
25
Like cold water to a thirsty soul,
So is good news from a distant land.
26
Like a muddied fountain and a polluted spring
Is a righteous man who yields and compromises his integrity before the wicked.
27
It is not good to eat much honey,
Nor is it glorious to seek one’s own glory.
28
Like a city that is broken down and without walls [leaving it unprotected]
Is a man who has no self-control over his spirit [and sets himself up for trouble].
Christianity Etc › Re: Ever Heard Of Atheistic Evolution? by budaatum(op): 1:01pm On Mar 09, 2019
Suggested examples of absolute truths.

1) Humans have volition and can choose between right and wrong.
2) Murdering an innocent person (without provocation) is wrong.
3) Water and food are necessary for animal survival.
4) The universe exists.
5) Humans are conscious.
6) Sunshine is necessary for survival on Earth currently.
7) Lions hunt for food.
cool Gravity exists.
9) Evolution is true.
10) The Earth has an atmosphere.
11) Monkeys are smarter than ants.
12) Some things are denser than other things.
13) Some things cut; some things don't.
14) Each entity has its own atomic makeup.
15) Humans form concepts that represent two or more similar things in reality. (tree, apple, picture, house, etc.)
Christianity Etc › Re: Ever Heard Of Atheistic Evolution? by budaatum(op): 12:57pm On Mar 09, 2019
Absolute truth is something that is true at all times and in all places. It is something that is always true no matter what the circumstances. It is a fact that cannot be changed. For example, there are no round square. There are also no square circles. The angles of a triangle add up to 180 degrees. These are all true by definition. Very similar are the propositions of Euclid, because they are proved once the axioms are accepted. One way or another, these are all truths because they are logically true.
Christianity Etc › Re: Ever Heard Of Atheistic Evolution? by budaatum(op): 12:53pm On Mar 09, 2019
shadeyinka:
For me that "unknown and mysterious" is INTELLIGENT.
A thing that is known to be "INTELLIGENT" is not exactly "unknown and mysterious".

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