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Christianity Etc › Re: I Transfer The Money I Spend From The Spiritual To My Bank Account - Bishop by budaatum: 1:06am On Sep 08, 2018

newsynews:
I tell you to watch your ways so I can use some of the money to help you and take care of you…” he cautioned them.

https://www.wotzup.ng/2018/09/bishop-daniel-obinim-money-spiritual/

I think his congregation are beginning to see this crooks ways. Their eye is gradually opening.

Islam › Re: Why Does The Toilet In Our Masjid Stinks? by budaatum: 1:02am On Sep 08, 2018

eemjay00:
Remember Not to face the Qiblah when urinating or defecating. This is out of respect for the Qiblah.

And our respect for those you share toilets with!

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Logic!! by budaatum: 12:45am On Sep 08, 2018

Niflheim:
Somebody is asking for pics of EVOLUTION or it does not exist?

This is imbecilic to say the least!!! The words "christian brain" and the words "true vacuum" should be interchangeable by now!!!..............................................................https://www.sciencealert.com/watch-this-amazing-video-shows-evolution-happening-in-just-days

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plVk4NVIUh8

Your video is wobish!

Islam › Re: The Atheist In Islam For Muslims by budaatum(op): 12:20am On Sep 08, 2018

NobodyKnows:
No sane Muslim will engage you in any yèyé argument here sir .
Kindly go back to where you come from .
Thanks

Good. I'm staying. Thanks for welcoming NobodyKnows

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Islam › Re: Nairaland Muslim Newbies: Introduce Yourselves Here by budaatum: 11:41pm On Sep 07, 2018

Salam Alaykum everybody. I'm buda.

Islam › The Atheist In Islam For Muslims by budaatum(op): 11:38pm On Sep 07, 2018

Over in the Religion section there's all complaining that they got too many atheist and wonder why we aren't over here.

I figured they got a point so I've come over. Besides, they are seriously beginning to bore me with their often low mentality!

Hope this proves an upgrade.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Are Needed Here To Explain This by budaatum: 11:25pm On Sep 07, 2018

Reminds me of the New Baby Boy Allegedly Born Holding A Quran, Prayer Bead In Bauchi State (pics)

Christianity Etc › Re: The Scientist And His Dogs: A Modern Parable by budaatum: 3:36pm On Sep 07, 2018

Thankfully, we don't wait for consent from the earth before we use our own brains to decide that we had better be ethical towards it, at least in most instances. There is hope for you yet!

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Logic!! by budaatum: 3:33pm On Sep 07, 2018

EFULEFU1:
I have also seen God

The authors of the Bible must have lied where it is written that Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

Unless you are not 'Man', or you are the God. In which case, I see why you would want to be believed and bowed to and worshipped.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Scientist And His Dogs: A Modern Parable by budaatum: 3:23pm On Sep 07, 2018

JeromeBlack:
I've always seen you and butterflyl1on as people with psychopathic tendencies.

With this your logic, we should be using babies as test subjects.

No morality, no sense

Please be fair. According to the person you responded to, if the babies give consent they can be used as test subjects!

Christianity Etc › Re: The Scientist And His Dogs: A Modern Parable by budaatum: 3:16pm On Sep 07, 2018

LordReed:
That is an unethical and immoral scientist that will allow disease and vector to run unchecked in a human population just to see what happens.

We better keep our ethical eyes and moral guidance on them to stop them sacrificing the weak for their own advantage!

Foreign Affairs › Re: Gay Sex Legalised In India By Supreme Court by budaatum: 1:33pm On Sep 07, 2018

bot101:
Oh! It would be a traumatic experience, no harm in reciprocating the gesture.

Perhaps you might want to consider becoming a Christian. Then you wouldn't be the one slapping first. At the very least, if you think "Please let me prick you" is a slap, you would just turn another hole.

Christianity Etc › Re: Should Christians Eat Pig? Pig Is Not Kosher. by budaatum: 1:27pm On Sep 07, 2018

imran147:
Yes can’t blamed you
Cuz your are Buddhism
We have different life to live and what to believe so it’s up to you man
Enjoy

Thank you. Your permission, though needless, is appreciated.

Christianity Etc › Re: Should Christians Eat Pig? Pig Is Not Kosher. by budaatum: 1:22pm On Sep 07, 2018

imran147:
We know your type
So enjoy your freaking life with maggot meat pork mitchew pple

Yummy. Some nice pork meat!

Christianity Etc › Re: The Scientist And His Dogs: A Modern Parable by budaatum: 1:16pm On Sep 07, 2018

vaxx:
ignoratiou elenchi spotted

You accused me of wordism which you yourself is doing.... Buda """": how ethical is this?

Thankfully, other people can form their own opinion regarding wordism having read all that has been written.

I'm going to mention this all the same. It seems you see discussions with me as some sort of competition that needs to be won. I noticed this in our conversations about subjectivity and in the one about the four noble truths, where even in your own words, you argue against yourself! Below is an example of you doing similar on here (provided my understanding is not incorrect).

vaxx:
Yes, they have. They are living beings like us, they share our capacity for emotions, joy, pain and love and therefore they should not be viewed as inferior beings who have no rights. Life is life. Whatever difference it is claimed, it's only for man's egoistical advantage. [s]therefore slaughter ethics do not go in alingment with animal decision....they never want it anyway[/s].

I'm not certain, but in the above where you say that animals, who happen to "share our capacity for emotions, joy, pain and love" and therefore "should not be viewed as inferior beings who have no rights", I understand you to mean that they should be treated with ethical consideration, which they just happen to be as shown by the ethical code I gave a link to (though I can't understand the addition of your "they never want it anyway", tagged onto the end). Yet, the entire premise of your argument on this thread is the removal of those ethical moral guidelines for the advancement of science because, according to you, "Every outcome of an experiment is a knowledge" and "morality and ethics can stop science progress which is very bad to the betterment of every society aiming to develop".

Indeed, every outcome of an experiment may well be knowledge. But not all science is for "the betterment of every society aiming to develop" ! Some experiments can be very bad even if they benefit certain societies and most especially if they are detrimental to other societies. After all, while the experiments of slavery benefitted some society and helped their development, we can't claim slavery should not have been stopped by ethics and moral guidelines. Or would we? Do you prefer a dog eat dog world where only the fittest survive?

I see the conversations we have here as experiments, and that in having them, knowledge is acquired and for the betterment of all. And that means one must go about one's experiment with moral guidelines and the consideration of ethical rules pertaining to the experiment. One should not allow one's blinding egotistical need to appear as a winner be the sole consideration of these experiments. Rather than a win-lose outcome, a win-win one is an option. You, yourself once noticed this in buda when you informed someone that buda, though an atheist, does not necessarily go about insulting and attacking Christians.

Anyway, I just thought I'd mention my observation from the experiments you and I have been performing here. Ethics are there as moral guidelines to temper the "egotistical tendency" of some humans to put their desires and needs above everyone and everything else's. And the more intelligent humans fight for the fairer treatment of everyone and everything by ensuring there are moral guidelines that must be followed. And if it those moral guidelines hold back 'science' or the 'acquisition of knowledge' (and wealth, which is really the underlying goal of the egoist in this context), then so be it. No one is currently legally allowed to sacrifice others for their own (societies) "betterment"!

For anyone interested in an example of a list of foundational ethical moral guidelines that many humans live by, please refer to the ten given here.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Scientist And His Dogs: A Modern Parable by budaatum: 11:13am On Sep 07, 2018

Sorry vaxx, but you appear to think plenty wordism will get you out of this, while in reality it just shows how muddled your reasoning is on this issue.

Scientific experiments are done in a society. That society cares about its living organisms, be they rats or humans or chickens or goats, so it creates rules about how they shall be treated when experimented on.

Those rules, where they include the welfare of the living organism concerned, whether the experiment is to save their lives or for them to be eaten, are based on our ethical conduct, and hence there are moral principles created by us humans that relate to the concerned activity.

A clear example is that we shall not cause undue distress to the goat we slaughter. Some others, where humans are concerned, are that we shall only perform experiments that have social and clinical value, are scientific valid, with favorable risk-benefit ratio, which shall be Independently reviewed, upon participants fairly selected, and with their Informed consent and whom we shall respect.

Now, these principles are not laws, but moral guidance. We however, as a society, feel so strong about these ethical standards that we have decided that they shall be legal requirements and enforced by the law. And we do this because we are human beings who care about the life of other beings, especially when they are incapable of fighting for themselves. We are in fact so advanced these days that we do not even allow unethical experiments to be performed on the environment and now have environmental ethical guidance on what is acceptable!

Now, I know you are going to throw some accusation like "democratic", "shift the post", "top-downward" or "bottom upward", and "confuse “law” with “morality"” at me, but I hope I've clearly made my point, that the scientist in Lordreed's op is not being fair, is being unethical and committing a criminal offence. And no, I would not behave in such a way that my need to know, or eat meat, would be done unethically even if those I might 'eat' give their consent!

The search for knowledge must be done ethically. We have not always applied moral guidance to experiments done in the past and have seen where it got us. We don't wish to give free rein to egocentric and barbaric nature, hence ethics, at every level that we can impose it.

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Logic!! by budaatum: 10:22pm On Sep 06, 2018

EFULEFU1:
There is no God because we don't see him. OK

There is no President Buhari because I don't see him

Don't tell me you have seen president buhari because I have also seen God

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaFZQBb2srM

Christianity Etc › Re: The Scientist And His Dogs: A Modern Parable by budaatum: 10:14pm On Sep 06, 2018

vaxx:
I just ask a simple question , what are this moral principle? And you are given me a democratic answer....

I am not giving you any democratic answer. What I gave is repeated below!

budaatum:
Social and clinical value
Scientific validity
Fair subject selection
Favorable risk-benefit ratio
Independent review
Informed consent
Respect for potential and enrolled subjects

And here's a link to the moral principles relating to slaughterhouses in UK

Nothing democratic at all, please!

Christianity Etc › Re: The Scientist And His Dogs: A Modern Parable by budaatum: 10:10pm On Sep 06, 2018

vaxx:
this is political argument and not scientific decision. NOT GOING TO SHIFT POST.

It is not a political argument at all, but a societal one. The society as a whole decides its ethics, and not just the people directly involved! Animals killed in slaughterhouses after all, have never campaigned for their humane treatment and killing, yet society has imposed ethics on how these procedures may legally be done!

I don't post shift, vaxx. You seem to want to discuss ethics as it relates to experiments on living things as if only one perspective, that of the direct participants or the scientist alone should be considered, when in reality, it involves the whole society where the ethics actually prevail.

No one can claim consent allows them to perform any experiment whatsoever if said experiment is outlawed. The outlawing itself is an ethics issue.

I hope we are clear on that.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Gay Sex Legalised In India By Supreme Court by budaatum: 9:59pm On Sep 06, 2018

bot101:
How would you feel if a guy approaches you for a relationship?? It affects others ooo!! I don't want to imagine how I'll react to such scenario, someone would probably land in a hospital with a black eye because the trauma of such an event is one I would not forget in a lifetime. They should do their LGBT whatever, I don't care, just don't bring it in my direction.

So, some man approaches you and asks if you want to be his boyfriend, and you will "land [him] in a hospital with a black eye" just like that? A simple no is way beyond your level?

Na wa o!

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Foreign Affairs › Re: Gay Sex Legalised In India By Supreme Court by budaatum: 9:54pm On Sep 06, 2018

Princeofnigeria:
I spit on your grave

I piss on you!

Christianity Etc › Re: The Scientist And His Dogs: A Modern Parable by budaatum: 9:51pm On Sep 06, 2018

vaxx:
consent is the most important factor iota ethics.......without it, it will be illegal to carry out scientific experiment on human. YET TO SEE ANY ETHICAL RULES THAT OUTWEIGHT THIS. IF ANY PROVIDE IT.

budaatum:
Vaxx, are you saying that with the consent of those experimented on, it is not illegal to perform Stem cell research using the human embryo for example in Germany?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Scientist And His Dogs: A Modern Parable by budaatum: 9:37pm On Sep 06, 2018

vaxx:
The possible outcomes should be knowable and known and the human must understand the possible outcomes for it to be ethical, meaning concernt determine if it is ethical or not .

Even where the procedure itself has not been deemed ethical in the relevant society?

Vaxx, are you saying that with the consent of those experimented on, it is not illegal to perform Stem cell research using the human embryo for example in Germany?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Scientist And His Dogs: A Modern Parable by budaatum: 9:33pm On Sep 06, 2018

vaxx:
Well the same way we have no qualms eating other species of birds and animals, it clearly shows we really don't regard killing them as an issue of ethics.

But we still have ethics surrounding how we may treat them while alive, and how we are permitted to kill them! People go to jail for the unethical slaughter of animals intended for consumption! Or don't they have such laws where you are?

I'm beginning to think you are misusing the word "ethics". I did give a definition when asked!

Ethics are moral principles that govern a person's behaviour or the conducting of an activity.

There clearly are moral principles that govern the conduct of clinical experiments, and there are moral principles that apply to the conduct of slaughtering animals for consumption. Those moral principles are what are commonly referred to as the "ethics" of the field that they apply to. Where I live, if you are caught circumventing moral principles of slaughter houses, or clinical experiments, you would have committed a crime and could go to jail. And claiming you had consent would not absolve you of the crime.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Scientist And His Dogs: A Modern Parable by budaatum: 9:13pm On Sep 06, 2018

vaxx:
And ehnnn buda"" ethics as a whole is not a democracy and treating it as such is absurd.

I have not claimed there is anything democratic about ethics! India, today, decriminalised homosexuality but I bet if they had to vote on it, it would still be a crime!

Christianity Etc › Re: The Scientist And His Dogs: A Modern Parable by budaatum: 9:10pm On Sep 06, 2018

vaxx:
my argument is ethics or no ethics, so far the patient consent is attested, the experiment can be carry out. And Nuremberg code of 1, 2 And 4 confirm it which can be found in other code.

You keep repeating this as if by so doing it becomes true!

Consent is not the only code that needs to be satisfied before experiments can proceed. There are others, and which carry equal, if not more, weight that come into question too. And why you fail to see this completely alludes me.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Scientist And His Dogs: A Modern Parable by budaatum: 9:03pm On Sep 06, 2018

vaxx:
have you ever wonder how postmoterm is carry out....do the dead body required pre-informed notice or from the relatives?

I hardly see how this is related! In a homicidal death, post-mortems are usually carried out as a legal requirement, consent or not. In deaths where there is no suspicion as to the cause of death, there might not be. It is pretty straight forward.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Scientist And His Dogs: A Modern Parable by budaatum: 8:58pm On Sep 06, 2018

vaxx:
it is written bodly in Nuremberg code.....and at the same time WHO attested to it. Consent is the most important agreement before carry out scientific experimentation on human.

It doesn't mean that because you have consent you can go ahead and perform unethical procedures! If the procedure itself is considered unethical, you can't perform it legally even with consent of the person being experimented on.

Current issues related to this is the argument we're having over here about canabinoids. No doctor can currently prescribe it even if they want to except illegally, or the law is changed or you're given special dispensation by the home secretary. (MuttleyLaff informs me this is changing soon).

Another is abortions over a certain gestation period after which you can't get a normal abortion, consent or not.

Then there's the ongoing stem cell controversy where ethics is of immense consideration. Different countries even have Stem Cell Laws stating whether they can be used and to which extent. Stem cell research using the human embryo is permitted in Sweden, Spain, Finland, Belgium, Greece, Britain, Denmark and the Netherlands; however, it is illegal in Germany, Austria, Ireland, Italy, and Portugal. And where it is not permitted, consent is a rather mute point!

I just don't see the reason why you insist that consent is a waiver for ethics in experimental procedures, vaxx. That's what you seem to be saying. If so, you are very wrong!

Christianity Etc › Re: The Scientist And His Dogs: A Modern Parable by budaatum: 8:16pm On Sep 06, 2018

vaxx:
Not only does it state that, it also emphasis on the consent! Code 1 of Nuremberg is an evidence.

I don't know where you get your "emphasis" from! Consent is after all only one of many principles, and nowhere is it said that one can perform any experiment on living things just because they give consent!

Just think. Say a person wants to perform an experiment about the chewiness and flavour of cooked human flesh. Can the consent of the individual experimented on make the experiment ethical?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Scientist And His Dogs: A Modern Parable by budaatum: 8:06pm On Sep 06, 2018

vaxx:
what is the essence of ethics that regard consent even when experimentental procedure is way risky? That is even the reasons the standard are not yet implemented or allowed in any country. Well it is still regarded as one of the most brillant idea ever created in medical research.

It is still a big debate anyway. .

First you claim they don't exist, now you've shifted to "they are not implemented", which is just not true! It's a criminal offence to perform unethical procedures and experiments on common rats, not to talk of on human beings!

The debate goes on because new unthought of procedures are constantly being considered.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Scientist And His Dogs: A Modern Parable by budaatum: 7:59pm On Sep 06, 2018

vaxx:
what are this moral principle? You will begin to see the loopholes yourself.

budaatum:
Social and clinical value
Scientific validity
Fair subject selection
Favorable risk-benefit ratio
Independent review
Informed consent
Respect for potential and enrolled subjects

It's not about whether there are loopholes in them or not, but whether they exist, are applied and adhered to, which they are, and where or when they are not, they should, are, and would be, enforced.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Scientist And His Dogs: A Modern Parable by budaatum: 2:54pm On Sep 06, 2018

vaxx:
That further begs the question.....how do you define ethics? I do not want to push you to the wall.

What question?

Ethics are the moral principles that govern a person's behaviour or the conducting of an activity.

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