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Christianity Etc › Re: My Nairaland Journey From Christianity To Atheism In Pictures. by budaatum: 12:20pm On Sep 14, 2018
frank317:
everything happens in ur brain. Mind is just a meaningless word people use to describe activities happening in the brain
Aha! "Activities happening in the brain"! Strong enough activity to at least accept it happens. Why say naming that activity is "meaningless"? Is the "activities happening in the brain" not meaningful?
Christianity Etc › Re: My Nairaland Journey From Christianity To Atheism In Pictures. by budaatum: 12:14pm On Sep 14, 2018
HardMirror:
your brain. That is why chemical substances like drugs can affect your thoughts because the alter the networking of your brain cells. Remove the brain and there cant be thoughts. Infuse the brain with the right chemicals and you can alter the thoughts of a man
I don't want to agree! Surely, I have something that transcends (yuk!) the mushy thing in my head called brain despite full well knowing that when that mushy substance is removed, brain activity stops!

There! "Brain activity" is the function called mind! Or is that incorrect?
Politics › Re: Opinion: The South And Its Bigotry And The New DG DSS by budaatum: 12:09pm On Sep 14, 2018
resurgent2019:
Prove to me that Yoruba or forever halt your lies and deceit!

Every omoluabi supporter of Buhari have criticized his ethnic bigotry since yesterday but you continue supporting this nonsense because you are paid?

I am enraged and disgusted about your continuous lies.

This issue transcends my hate for Buhari and borders on basic decency.
buda is Yourba, from the Orolu Kingdom of Ifon Osun in Osun State. Aregbe must fall! The man is useless.

Buhari however, Sai my bubu! The best leader Nigeria has had so far in my lifetime (with the exception of Murtala maybe, but he wasn't there long enough for me to decide).

Provide evidence for his "ethnic bigotry" if you want to change my mind!
Christianity Etc › Re: My Nairaland Journey From Christianity To Atheism In Pictures. by budaatum: 11:58am On Sep 14, 2018
frank317:
There is nothing like mind... There is just brain
Really? You've got me wondering, what it is that thinks in me that ponders things and deliberates?
Christianity Etc › Re: My Nairaland Journey From Christianity To Atheism In Pictures. by budaatum: 11:51am On Sep 14, 2018
HardMirror:
It is a waste talking to someone who does not even know his bible
No, it's not a waste of time please! Many are learning from this conversation! Besides, the person being spoken to will reflect someday, as Martinez19 has pointed out with this thread.

Always bear it in mind please that intelligent and wisely written words are never wasted. They are like good seeds that seek out good soil and even make rain fall so they can grow and produce abundant fruit.
Christianity Etc › Re: Know Ye Not That Atheism Is Within You. by budaatum: 11:07am On Sep 14, 2018
MuttleyLaff:
The world is a canvass
Everything until the work, was a blank canvass
budaatum:
Next time anyone tells me God is an uncaused uncaused, or however they put it, I'm quoting you!

God is Mary's son. She named him Jesus.
Christianity Etc › Re: My Nairaland Journey From Christianity To Atheism In Pictures. by budaatum: 12:04am On Sep 14, 2018
Martinez19:
In the beginning, God created the heaven and earth, meaning that before creation on earth began, the earth and heavens were already established

Before I go to the creation of sun, moon, stars, and plant and animal life, any lack of clarity or disagreement?
Martinez19:
I am sure Christianity is the right one because I have had certain encounter with God. God has never failed me. He is the one who can give you the knowledge of the Bible as I have given you. I tell you, He is real and invisible. I have encountered Him.
You gave me laugh, I got headache. cheesy cheesy

How did you finally see light?
Politics › Re: SEE DANGER: Atiku Raises Alarm Over Alleged Threat To Life by budaatum: 11:35pm On Sep 13, 2018
Atiku, go and buy security, you've stolen enough money!
Christianity Etc › Re: Know Ye Not That Atheism Is Within You. by budaatum: 11:10am On Sep 13, 2018
MuttleyLaff:
Your case is seeing a signed painting in an art gallery and still saying there is no artist behind the painting
The issue isn't quite whether there is a painter behind a painting, but whether there is a painting to start with, and which painter may be behind it.
Christianity Etc › Re: My Take On The Doctrine Of Trinity And Those Saying Jesus Is God Almighty! by budaatum: 10:38am On Sep 13, 2018
Primesky:
cheesy budaatum, it may sound phony, but do not toy with the Holy scriptures!.

Jesus Christ is the only way. You will also notice that this offense about who Jesus really is did not start today, it began right from His days here on earth.

Satan hates to hear us talk about Jesus, let alone believe in Him, because doing so will release us from his prison and grip.

That's why we have all manner of religion, all claiming to serve God, but the contention is against Jesus Christ, why?. Because He is the only way to God. You can call and claim to serve God, but if it's not through Christ, you're on your own. So, I am not, neither will I be surprised if and when different kinds of persons bring up religiouly pious discussions, practices, doctrines and creed, but deny the very person and quality or characteristics of Jesus Christ.

I have hope for you budaatum.
Does it sound phony? Don't sound phony to me! That's the "Jesus Christ" we need today, and not the "save you from hell and damnation" one. Those who know Christ should fear no evil.

Hey, we'll continue this I'm sure. At least you're not like some who would have resorted to insults by now. I like you. Be more blessed. And consider 'serving', and 'worship', is more than mere "believing", which even Satan is said to do.
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Hell Fire Does Not Exist by budaatum: 6:50pm On Sep 12, 2018
Hairyrapunzel:
Where is the verse that says those who died in the sea remain in the sea or don't go to hell?
Abi no bible verse?


"Only Jehovah's Witnesses, those of the anointed remnant and the "great crowd," as a united organization under the protection of the Supreme Organizer, have any Scriptural hope of surviving the impending end of this doomed system dominated by Satan the Devil." Watchtower 1989 Sep 1 p.19


"In effect, Jesus also conveys Jehovah’s voice to us as he directs the congregation through “the faithful and discreet slave.” (Matt. 24:45) We need to take this guidance and direction seriously, for our everlasting life depends on our obedience." Watchtower 2014 Aug 15 p.21



During the final period of the ancient world that perished in the Flood, Noah was a faithful preacher of righteousness. (2 Peter 2:5) In these last days of the present system of things, Jehovah's people are making known Gods righteous standards and are declaring good news about the possibility of surviving into the new world. (2 Peter 3:9-13) Just as Noah and his God-fearing family were preserved in the ark, survival of individuals today depends on their faith and their loyal association with the earthly part of Jehovah's universal organization." Watchtower 2006 May 15 p.22 "Are You Prepared for Survival?"


"Is it presumptuous of Jehovah's Witnesses to point out that they alone have God's backing? Actually, no more so than when the Israelites in Egypt claimed to have God's backing in spite of the Egyptians' belief, or when the first-century Christians claimed to have God's backing to the exclusion of Jewish religionists." Watchtower 2001 Jun 1 p.16


"Similarly, Jehovah is using only one organization today to accomplish his will. [b]To receive everlasting life in the earthly Paradise we must identify that organization and serve God as part of it." [/b]Watchtower 1983 Feb 15 p.12

"There are billions of people who do not know Jehovah. Many of them in ignorance practice things that God's Word shows to be wicked. If they persist in this course, they will be among those who perish during the great tribulation." Watchtower 1993 Oct 1 p.19


"In the near future this generation will see the foretold “great tribulation” that will bring an end to this present wicked system. (Matt. 24:21) At that time none of Jehovah’s faithful servants, the only ones surviving, will mourn over the destruction of the wicked. To the contrary, they will rejoice, even as Moses and his people rejoiced at the destruction of Pharaoh and his army." Watchtower 1977 Jun 1 p.345
"Only those who believe our God our way"?

Sounds pretty much like what Christians and Muslims say, to me.
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Hell Fire Does Not Exist by budaatum: 4:15pm On Sep 12, 2018
Hairyrapunzel:
Check your dictionary or ask google. Since you believe that your jehovah will slaughter 8 billion people so you and the remaining 7 million jws can live in lala land because you belong to the publishing company called watchtower organization no problem.
Excuse me, but who told you I "believe jehovah will slaughter 8 billion people"? huh
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Hell Fire Does Not Exist by budaatum: 2:55pm On Sep 12, 2018
Hairyrapunzel:
That's because the Bible which all Christians are bound to follow says that the only way your salvation is guaranteed is by believing in Jesus Christ.
Define "believing". I'm sure he also said "Lord! Lord!" and "toothache" and "I will deny you if you do not do my will!"
Christianity Etc › Re: Are Morality And Ethics Holding Back Science? by budaatum: 2:42pm On Sep 12, 2018
rekinomtla:
huh Galileo and Copernicus died of natural causes?
Ok, not die, exactly, I exaggerate, but only a bit. They at least fought for the validity of their observations instead of "believing what you were told". I'm adding one more name to that list.

Jesus Bruno Galileo Copernicus were scientists who died for causes.
Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Is An Open Declaration Of Evil Intent? Discuss? by budaatum: 12:53pm On Sep 12, 2018
rekinomtla:
OK, so if I slapped you and I believe there's nothing morally wrong about it.

While on the other hand, you believe i'm morally wrong.

Who is correct, is my action morally wrong or not? .
So you slap me and you believe there's nothing morally wrong about it. Can I ask you, does my face not hurt? Don't worry, when I slap you back and kick your head in in return, you can thank me, and say I did no wrong.

rekinomtla:
I insist that a creator is needed to make sense of objective morality, otherwise I don't see how moral realism can make any sense. [s]Most of you atheists here even seem to be arguing for objective morals even tho you claim you moral relativists[/s].
What you are saying is that you need a higher force to tell you the right and proper thing to do or you might just go ahead and do whatever you like whether its right or not. I get you, some people are like that. You can't reason and decide what is moral or immoral for your self.

Other people, tend to reason and think for themselves. They assign high power to their mind and brain and reason so no one gets to be lord over them, they reason by themselves. They do not just go about slapping people and justifying it. Like I said, they reason with their minds and brains.
Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Is An Open Declaration Of Evil Intent? Discuss? by budaatum: 12:38pm On Sep 12, 2018
rekinomtla:
Suppose the following situation then:

One person says It is morally wrong to kill someone for personal pleasure.

Another person says it is morally right.

Question: Who is correct according to moral relativism, is it morally right to kill for personal pleasure or is it not?
It is morally wrong to kill someone for pleasure and anyone who says it isn't is just mad! If that person goes to kill someone for pleasure we, the rest of us, will throw their ass in jail and there'd be no relativism about it!

I don't get this "moral relativism" at all!
Politics › Re: The Toilet At Nigerian High Commmission In London. Photo By Victor Asemota by budaatum: 12:25pm On Sep 12, 2018
hush15:
you don process your passport in the UK before ni? if you dont know anything, you keep quiet and let those that have speak
How much did you bribe?
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Hell Fire Does Not Exist by budaatum: 12:24pm On Sep 12, 2018
Hairyrapunzel:
You are ashamed that you guys preach that salvation is only guaranteed by joining watchtower organization?
Do JW say, "salvation is only guaranteed by joining watchtower organization?

(All religions actually say the same. Primesky, a Christian says it about Jesus!)
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Hell Fire Does Not Exist by budaatum: 12:20pm On Sep 12, 2018
Hairyrapunzel:
The jehovah that is not twisted and all loving says he will slaughter 8 billion people for not joining the publishing company/coporation called watchtower organization and obeying the ever changing Bible interpretation of self appointed 8 old men in new York who call themselves governing body/faithful and discrete slave and also say they are the only channel of communication between God and man today so 8 million Jw can inherit earth and live forever in it because their leaders told them so.


Your God is so all loving yet he can't wait to commit the greatest genocide ever known to man. Clap for yourselves and your jehovah.
Pot Calling kettle black
Are you a JW? Can a JW please explain if Jehovah says he will kill 8b people?
Christianity Etc › Re: Are Morality And Ethics Holding Back Science? by budaatum: 12:16pm On Sep 12, 2018
vaxx:
Either You like it or not, you can never fight me.......

I hope to see you someday, at least talk like a human........it seems we have forgotten that aspect due to internet barrier.
Just yesterday, as I was about, I wondered why vaxx thinks being emotional is a negative thing. Does he think 'passion' is bad perhaps. Maybe he does not see the power in words. They after all are full of passion.

Yeah, I can't fight you. But I will challenge what you say if I need to. Emotionally and passionately too. Nothing is a barrier to the human aspect to a human being worshipper, vaxx. Indeed, one day.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 3:53am On Sep 12, 2018
epub, Fear. Want? Limit...
Foreign Affairs › Re: Saudi Arabia Arrests Man Filmed Eating Breakfast With Female Cowoker by budaatum: 3:45am On Sep 12, 2018
Krissjones:
"I need to understand why men are constantly punished and not women," said Twitter user Malak. "I am a Saudi [woman] and I swear I want them to punish her with him. Laughter, eating at the workplace... where are your limits?"

Television presenter Osama Gaweesh said he was confused with the arrest, asking: "Doesn't [Saudi Crown Prince] Mohammed bin Salman want a new, open Saudi Arabia with concerts and movie theatres and beaches and a 2030 vision?"

While another Egyptian user, Sonia, called it a result of "fragile egos" amongst Saudi men.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-45471549?ns_source=facebook&ocid=socialflow_facebook&ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbcnews


Cc lalasticlala mynd44 mukina2
Kill me die lol!
Christianity Etc › Re: Where Were The Orisha/olodumare During Slavery? How Did Let This To Happen To Us by budaatum: 2:06am On Sep 12, 2018
grin grin
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Hell Fire Does Not Exist by budaatum: 2:05am On Sep 12, 2018
Don't mind them. God, allowing the thing it created to burn in fire! Is it rubbish?

Some think God is bitter and twisted like them.


Restroom:
For thousands of years now, many have been led to believe in the doctrine of hell fire.

Biblically, this teaching has no basis.
Some invoke the expression recorded in Revelation
21:8 and Rev 19:20, I.e. the 'lake of fire' or 'lake that burns with sulfur'as evidence of hell fire.

Others point to Jesus parable about the rich man and Lazarus, recorded in Luke 16:19-31.

While these Bible verses speak of punishment in fire, they are not to be taken literally.

The language in which the Book of Revelation was written, were all symbolic. Also, the story of the Rich man and Lazarus, was an illustration directed at the proud pharisees, who believed they were favoured before God. Jesus used the illustration to let the pharisees realized that, things have changed for the ordinary Israelites, with the arrival of the messiah. God stopped using the pharisees to teach the Jews the law, with the coming of Jesus Christ .With the presence of Gods son teaching the Jews directly about God, the spiritual condition of the Jews became elevated while the Pharisees were debased. Seeing the changed condition of the jews, and the judgment message of Jesus against the Pharisees, they became enraged at Jesus.

Interestingly, Jesus Christ ended the role of the Pharisees as teachers of the law, when he established Christianity.Since the birth of the Christian congregation, the ordinary Jews and later the Gentiles, became opportuned to worship God freely.

Yet, as simple as the illustration of the rich man and pharisees were, the religions of today have latched on to it, as proof that hell fire existed. The Pharisees that Jesus directed the message to knew that Jesus was talking to them. They knew the meaning that, spiritually speaking, their position as teachers of the law had changed forever with Jesus presence. And that the common man they looked down upon is now favoured with the previlegde of been taught the way of Christ, which opens to them the direct opportunity of communicating with God.

Hence, to those who misconstrue, the parable of the rich man and Lazarus as proof of hell fire, it is good to read that account again, to get the import of the parable.

According to first John 4:8, God is Love.

Can a God of love burn his sinning creatures in fire?

What do you think?

To answer it clearly, think about yourself for a moment. Can you burn your child in fire for sinning or doing something you forbid?

Can you ?
Well, I can't.

As a human, how many of us even think about using fire as a possible means to punish criminals?

Few, if any.
How many human government burn criminals alive?

None!
If humans in General Dont do it, why do people now want God to do it?
If human government Dont burn criminals in fire, is it God that we now burn his own creature in everlasting fire?

God is love.
If humans, Dont do it, God can't do it.
We are made in God s image, remember.
If you can't do it, because it looks unjust, then, God cannot do it.

Also, there is no record in the Genesis account of creation, of how God created Hellfire and where it is located.Where is hellfire located ?Who created it? Where is evidence that God created it? The bible recorded how God created everything, including the sun, moon and stars.How come it is silent about hellfire?

Now God told Adam, that if he sins against him, he would go back to the dust.Because he created him from the dust. Now if Adam returned to the dust as God told him, how come his children go the hell fire as popularly claimed by churches of today?

God specifically told Adam in Genesis 3:19- For dust you are, and to dust, you will return.

But churches now say, for dust you are and to hellfire you will return.

Can God lie?

Who knows better, God or churches?

Where do we go at death?

Is Adam in hell fire?
Which hell fire?

According to God is statement to Adam, at death, he returned to dust, to a state of none existence.

Adam was none existent before God created him.

At death, he returned to that state signified by dust.

But churches say no. We do not die. We continue to live but in hell fire.
So a lot of people end up believing the big lie that hell fire exist .

God cannot lie.Satan is the only one that can burn sinners in hellfire, an imaginary place he has created to paint God as a wicked person who can debase his human creation by burning the sinners amongst them in hell fire.

Now, did God burn Adam in hell fire after he sinned, and became the first sinner on earth?

What's your answer?

If Adam didn't go to hell fire, as the first sinner, does it make sense to believe that his children and all sinners are in hell fire?
Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Is An Open Declaration Of Evil Intent? Discuss? by budaatum: 11:34pm On Sep 11, 2018
rekinomtla:
Then you shouldn't label anyone action as being morally wrong. It's just wrong for you, your opinion.
No! That's your opinion! Or are we not telling you how wrong you are?
Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Is An Open Declaration Of Evil Intent? Discuss? by budaatum: 11:31pm On Sep 11, 2018
rekinomtla:
That's perfectly consistent with objective morality. I can believe something is objectively wrong in one situation but right in another depending on the circumstances.
Vaxx, do you see a blindness here?
Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Is An Open Declaration Of Evil Intent? Discuss? by budaatum: 11:28pm On Sep 11, 2018
rekinomtla:
No it is not. Relative means it only a matter of opinion.
No it doesn't! Relative means "in relation to", and not, rekinomtla can make it up in the head!
Christianity Etc › Re: Are Morality And Ethics Holding Back Science? by budaatum: 11:20pm On Sep 11, 2018
sinequanon:
The problem is obvious: if your definition of proof is "what the authorities say", then you cannot prove that the authorities are doing anything wrong. You are in a position where you just have to believe what you are told.
You are not "in a position where you just have to believe what you are told"! You were in the position that you needed to handle at the time. And when it got too much for you, you quit! Some people, Bruno Galileo Copernicus, they died fighting not to believe what they were told. They should be a lesson.
Christianity Etc › Re: Are Morality And Ethics Holding Back Science? by budaatum: 11:04pm On Sep 11, 2018
vaxx:
Argument ad hominem fallacy, instead of you to attack the argument you claimed is not universally true, you are now attacking my own personality.
Isn't that what you do when you attack my emotions?
Christianity Etc › Re: My Take On The Doctrine Of Trinity And Those Saying Jesus Is God Almighty! by budaatum: 10:53pm On Sep 11, 2018
MuttleyLaff:
Sheep rather, and not to be mistaken for sheeple
You could have safely broken the fast with me.

See. If you had said, I would have "sare keremọsa" told you to break it.

I dont usually flaunt menu pics or take pics of them.
I hate doing it and hated myself for doing those two

Things I get to do for country and you budaatum sha
We will arrange properly next time.
Christianity Etc › Re: My Take On The Doctrine Of Trinity And Those Saying Jesus Is God Almighty! by budaatum: 10:51pm On Sep 11, 2018
Primesky:
Why did the Jew's pick up stones? Stop twisting scriptures.
The Jew's picked up stone because Jesus was a rabble-rouser who inflamed the emotions of people and made them question their own understanding. The people started questioning why they had to keep paying the priests, not exactly all "the Jew's', primesky, just a few, mainly the priests, and the merchant class at best, all together swindling the people of their hard earned resources with promises of fake afterlife and hell and damnation if they didn't acquiesce.

Jesus told the people not to pay the 'taxes' anymore because the priests were thieves giving stone in place of bread, teaching ignorance in place of God, and that no one is going to hell, "I, Jesus will go to God and tell God to forgive you for free", the peoples' eyes' opened and they stopped paying the tax and levies, so the revenue of the priesthood went down and they couldn't pay the interest on their already heavy debt, so it was added to the principal, then the interest went up and they got further into debt, they said to Jesus, "stop spoiling market", but stubborn Jesus that he was, he told them to go fuq themselves, and they weren't happy about it, so they picked up stones, a few, primesky! And they threatened to stone him.

Do you know what Jesus said to those who picked up stones and threatened to stone him? I bet your version says, "he went and hid"? A whole Son of God! Hiding!!?!

Jesus Christ, the Son of God, with his chest stuck out like he himself was Yahweh, said, "If na tru tru na papa bon you!"

And since they didn't really know the Father, they just slunk away.

Twisted Scripture!
Christianity Etc › Re: My Take On The Doctrine Of Trinity And Those Saying Jesus Is God Almighty! by budaatum: 9:29pm On Sep 11, 2018
MuttleyLaff:
"Abula" - Before and After
Just got back in
budaatum
Pig! I fasted today damn it! shocked shocked shocked

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