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basilico:

Zohran Mamdani: "Our end goal, seizing the means of production" HOLY F

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Bullseye.
Mamdani talks about socialism and seizing the means of production.

I doubt you'll respond to this by asking me how I know whether he means what he said.

I wish you are aware that one "mean of production" is labour. If you were aware, you'd be posting here that Mamdani will seize people and force them to labour as slaves.

Go on. Try thinking a bit with a "maths is racist" reasoning, and you'd see him bringing back chains.

Ibime:
I'm talking free food not free travel

And I'm lumping them together, as you read above.

Ibime:
This is a myth propagated by the food bank industry

In low income neighbourhoods, kids are fatter on average. There is no death of sustenance, only death of quality food.

A simple review of benefit payments shows that feeding is the last problem you expect on any benefits budget and any parent sending their child to school without food is negligent

Speaking as a child from lowest income household as a teenager with my mum working as a teaching assistant when we first returned from Nigeria, and my father in Nigeria, I never failed to have Wagon wheels, crisps and sandwich in my lunchbox. That was a single low income household with 5 kids to support, so I'm not buying any lamba about poverty. Even when I moved out of the house at 16, I got a weekend job that paid me £140 per week. From that £140, I paid my own rent, travelled to college everyday, ate well and had savings. People need to stop making excuses while their parents are puffing 20 cigarettes per day.

Unfortunately it's not Govts job to legislate for quality of food. Hunger is well taken care of by any job or benefits system. On an average day if you offer kids vegetables or fruits, they will hardly eat anyway, same as we did in Nigeria. Thankfully kids mostly use excess carbs and sugar for vertical growth rather than horizontal.

Ibime, when I went to Nigeria, I was at a time selling eggs and can coke at the Lagos end of Ibadan expressway. Danfo would stop on my tiny foot while I try to collect 50 kobo, and when I get home some poor woman will be begging ma for food for her 5 kids. I'll let you imagine who's money they sometimes got.

I got one Naira a week for school, which covered transport to and fro for the five days. Monday, I'd spend 20 kobo on transport, and being flush, 20 kobo on rumbling stomach alleviation. Food was not provided at school, and home rid not provide a packed lunch. Breakfast was ogi. On Tuesday, I'd spend 10 kobo on food and 20 on transport, and by Wednesday morning I'd have 30 kobo left. That left me with 10 kobo to get to school that day and the 2 days left in the week, so no food, and no transport money to get home, meaning I got to walk the 5 miles.

My first job after school was at my uncle's sawmill for food and board, till I returned home to UK and worked at Favourite Fried Chicken for £1.10 an hour.

I support school meals for underprivileged kids because its not their fault their parents can't or just don't provide them with a healthy diet. And investing in those kids makes it less likely they'd be a liability on society, and make them valuable tax paying assets.

Our difference in opinion on this issue makes me glad there's democracy. I wouldn't want you to unilaterally impose starvation on underprivileged kids, and I wouldn't want the power to ban hard up or irresponsible parenting.

And note. Free school meals and transport are simply an extension of the benefit system that is directly focused on the kid.

Truths9ja:
but it never helps in job creation. Yes education is the best legacy, but not helping enough in the area of job creation.

Education does very much help with job creation. It allows you to see the possibilities that exist beyond the immediate horizon.

If you educate yourself to be a doctor, say, you may start a business healing people, and hire others to assist you.

If you educate yourself to be an engineer, you may open an engineering shop and hire others to engineer with you.

Education, see, is the acquisition of knowledge. When Eve acquired it in the Garden of Eden, her eyes opened, and she gained wisdom, and she freed herself and her Adam from naked ignorant slavery from whence they went on to become self employed and populate the entire earth, it is written.

And when a Gospel has it written that, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was God, its basically telling you that worshipping education, or at least learning to read, is the beginning of attaining eternal life, or at least peace of mind in the short life lived on earth.

Pity you'd think otherwise though. Its a damnation on the mediocre education dished out in Nigeria.

Ibime:
That one na for your pocket. You have your own Mamdani in London, Sadiq Khan who introduced it last year to win votes.

When did you become like those lying deplorables?

https://tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2005/june/free-travel-on-buses-and-trams-for-under16s

Maeve7:
There are a lot of people who are unfit to be parents. Whether they can afford sandwiches or not is quite irrelevant when they don’t take the time to get their kids ready for school.

But can we afford to let these children down? I don’t think so.

If it were up to me, people who intend to be parents will sit a test to qualify just as they must pass a test for a driving license. But since its not up to me, I'm glad to live in a country that cares for it's vulnerables.

Ibime:
Parents should take responsibility for feeding their children at school as they do at home. We are not a third world country and there is nobody that cannot buy bread and ham for sandwiches. This £2 Ham will feed 2 children for 2 weeks. If it's Haram for you, Turkey dey. This was how we ate at school.

You know very well there's lots of irresponsible or just hard up parents in the unthird world country you live in who can not feed their kids. And that's not a reason to put them in care which costs a lot more than just helping their parents feed them. Besides, they'd be very unhealthy, and a liability to the socialist health care system, so we better feed them before they become a greater liability.

Having hungry children in your child's class will negatively impact your child's education, because their hungry rumbling stomach will distract the entire class.

Truths9ja:
education is never a key to hunger. It's our mindset that needs to be changed.

Education changes mindsets. The more you learn the more your mindset will change.

bemeruca:
Imaging someone ....

I will respond to you when you say something worth my time.

https://www.nairaland.com/8462651/why-exactly-going-school-when/5#135939314

chris81964:
what happened to Mercedes?

Antonelli drives a Mercedes. Russel was 5th.

budaatum:
Verstappen and Antonelli out on lap one after arguing over same tarmac.

bemeruca:
I am talking about a different one.

And I am talking about our current conversation!

Don't bring in stuff you don't want referred to.

bemeruca:
Leave cococandy out of this...

Shouldn't you have said this to yourself before you brought her into "this" ?

Chief2410:
I want a better Nigeria as much as you do but we are too divided to create that.The leaders have successfully divided us that the tribalism in Nigeria is worse than racism abroad. It is divide and conquer rule.

No leader divided me from you or you from me.

It is our ignorance that divides us from each other, and that's for us to solve, and not some leader who reaps benefit from our ignorant division.

One day we will cure ourselves of our ignorance. My hope is its before we kill each other first.

bemeruca:
5 and 11 is not similar. My point is, every nation in the world provide free public transportation.

Nigeria does not provide free transport, and nor does Greater Manchester provide universal free transport for 5-11s.

Chief2410:
all these things you are saying sounds very ideal but in today's Nigeria where we are divided along tribal and religious line,it is almost impossible to achieve.

I agree. Ideal. That's why we continue to be confronted with the realities of joblessness and hunger. The leaders love our division too, as it ensures we'd never organise to solve our common problems. Hunger and joblessness does after all not give a flying fuq about anyones' tribe or religion.

My hope is that it stops being ideal, and we make it a reality. Until then, agbado, lol.

bemeruca:
This is true for every nation in the world. It has nothing to with socialism. Manchester and London just have different age range.

Last time I checked, Nigeria does not provide free school meals for anyone, though I'd argue subsidies on electricity and whatever else we subsidize qualifies as a meal, except its for adults.

London and Greater Manchester have similar age ranges, please. Just that our London mayor seems more socialist inclined and London has more money for it too.

Truths9ja:
A jobless hungry youths can never organise any rallies. He will first solved the issues of hunger before he sponsor any rally here. You seem not to know political settings in Nigeria.

You make me laugh, thank you.

No one is asking hungry people to rally. Nor is rally the solution to hunger or joblessness, nor will it enable us to elect good leaders.

But I guess this proves the point. We can not organise ourselves because we are hungry, lol, which is why the food giving Tinubu, Atiku, babangida, Peter Obi are the ones we elect then wail that we have bad government and are hungry and jobless.

Education is the solution to hunger, as it teaches people to learn what good leadership is and how to elect it instead of us ignorantly uneducatedly voting for a loaf of bread we'd eat today.

We must perhaps not put our bellies first and vote for food, or we'd continue to starve till we learn.

Ibime:
There is hardly anybody in the UK that cannot afford school meals, only children with household income less than £7.4k get free school meals above Year 2. I know of children in my daughters school whose parents earn £20k to £30k and they pack sandwiches. The rest of us pay the school.

As I said, the underprivileged. I'm certain Mamdani is not proposing to feed the children of those who can afford to feed their own children. And New York policies will not be for the entire USA, I doubt.

In England, children are entitled to free school meals if their parent or guardian receives certain qualifying benefits or if they are in specific year groups. Specifically, children in Reception, Year 1, and Year 2 in state-funded schools, free schools, and academies are eligible for universal free school meals. Additionally, children whose families receive benefits like Universal Credit (with specific income limits), Income Support, Income-based Jobseeker's Allowance, Income-related Employment and Support Allowance, or the guaranteed element of Pension Credit are also eligible. Some local authorities may extend free school meal eligibility to all primary school years. In London, free school meals are provided to all state-funded primary school children.

My niece came to London from Manchester for Christmas, and was surprised their London nephews just got on the buses without paying. She said she'd do the same when she went back to Manchester, but I had to let her know London has a free transport policy for certain ages which Manchester seems to lack. Her mother told me a bus driver refused to let a primary school girl travel because she had no money. We'd burn the bus company if they do the same in London.

Truths9ja:
do the followers have the funds and the strength to counter this emperor government? Do they have the strength to counter them niiii. It will take 40-50 years when Tinubu, Atiku, babangida, Peter Obi of this world are no more that the new generations will have a rethink to rebuild this nation for job creation. Millions of graduates are home jobless.

Funds are not what elect governments. We the people elect governments.

Our failure is an inability to organise and rally for what we want. And until we do organise ourselves, likely after the likes of the grandchildren of Tinubu, Atiku, babangida, Peter Obi, are tired of being chosen by us, we shall continue to graduate and be workless.

bemeruca:
Cococandy is a socialist but she does not have the power to enforce a socialist utopia does not mean she is not a socialist.

There is a state Governor, city council and state laws, then there is a mayor. He does not have the unilateral power to do most of what he is saying.

He wants to abolish the police and replace them with social workers etc.

Nigeria is not a socialist country. Have one or two subsidies here and there does not make a country a socialist country.

I do not ever feel like responding to you when you lie or try to shove right wing rhetoric down my throat.

Did Mamdani tell you he'd send social workers to go socialise murderers and paedophiles and felon dump, even after you full well know he has no such powers as mayor?

Mamdani having a few social policies does not mean he'd socialise New York. Besides, I can't see why he wouldn't be an improvement on Adams or Cuomo, who seem to have socialised into their own pockets, or Silwa who did what that Jussie Smollett once did.

Sliwa admitted that he and the Guardian Angels faked heroic subway rescues for publicity. He also admitted to having claimed falsely that three off-duty transit police officers had kidnapped him. Sliwa explained at the time his stunts were intended to underscore the dangers of the subways.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Sliwa

Your mischaracterization of cococandy is taken the same way as when you mischaracterize buda. Note.

Truths9ja:
it's bad leadership that's affecting us seriously, this set of government preferred their family first before they take other people serious. It will take more donkey years for the right things to be done.

I beg to differ that "it's bad leadership that's affecting us".

We are a democracy, imperfect as we are, and it is the followers who elect those who lead us. So, if we elect bad leaders, we should perhaps blame ourselves for electing bad leaders, and next time elect good leaders.

Please do not, as some claim, try to argue that we did not elect bad leaders. Even if you did not vote, your not voting let the bad ones be our leaders, and we've hopefully learnt from our apathy.

bemeruca:
Businesses and rich people will leave the state.

I agree. Especially if he is socialist and governmentises private ventures. But what powers exactly is he going to use to do that?

What Mamdani is proposing is no different to school meals for the underprivileged. He can not uncapitalise capitalist New York even if he wanted to, since he'd need capital to provide school meals.

But I might be wrong. Do let me know when he abolishes mortgages and provides free housing, then I'll agree he's as socialist as is claimed.

Incidentally, no one will accuse Nigeria of being socialist. Many would even claim government does not own the majority of businesses. But free education, and subsidized fuel and electricity, and labor subsidy (Youth Corps) are socialist policies, and government officials own the largest companies. Like most so called socialist nations, we are a mix.

You just can't leave the poor and unprivileged to their own survival or their dead bodies will stink up your capitalism and make it unprofitable. And you can't have no social government intervention, or no one will monitor what's in the food capitalists sell you. A mix of both socialist and capitalist policies are necessary for a countries progress, or you'd have slaves.

Thegamingorca:
arguing lol

congrats to norris for reducing the gap from oscar to 15 points

we heaad to silverstone

I don't want to congratulate Norris. Unfortunately for me, he drove impeccably and won, despite me waiting (praying, almost), all through for him to put a tyre wrong and be overtaken by my Piastri.

If Norris wins at Silverstone, I'd have to sadly promote him from number 2 back to number equal, so I'm going to send Aussie spirits to put sand in his engine.

basilico:
Dinosaur aka ...

I feel you. You'd hate school meals for the underprivileged too, and wouldn't mind them starving. Hopefully, New Yorkers won't unreason like you do.

Do let Amazontopaz know that UK that is not socialist has most of the same policies as Mamdani is proposing, and the lights stay on. While USA that is not socialist is curtailing civil liberties, though not where guns are concerned.

AmazonTopaz:
The UK is not a socialist country but a mixed economy. The UK is not even a successful country.

I think if my country Nigeria was doing as well as UK and China are doing, I'd say my country Nigeria is successful, but since we seem not to agree on what a successful country is, there's no point discussing it.

No country is fully socialist, as they all will allow some sort of private enterprise, a la capitalism. And no country is completely devoid of socialism, as Nigeria's free education and fuel subsidy are all socialism.

Do let me know when you arrive here so I can ask you again after you have experienced the civil liberties you claim we lack.

uuzba:
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UK people have quality education.
Nigeria is just cram to pass without understanding anything.
So they don't need to further their education more.
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I was busy doing Masters in UK. I never saw a white British student in my class except for one elderly man later on.
They were mostly undergrads. Seems that some of fur Masters coursework was also covered in their Undergrad coursework.
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At my place of work in UK, I met other British natives, who didn't give an "F" about Uni.
They were just looking at me wondering why I left Nigeria to come and stress myself in their country.
One lady told me she was going to do fashion designing, straight after secondary school.
She will follow her boyfriend and they will start their life.
Na that time I carry hand put for waist, dey ask myself question.
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One of my course mates was an elderly British man, about 45~50yrs.
He has already been working for over 30 years since trade school.
But he wanted to apply for one promotion, and they said the candidate must have "Degree".
But he didn't want to do BSc. So he just registered for the Master's.
And was even teaching the lecturer the latest trends in industry.
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The British people wey me I see, face to face, Dem no do Master's O.
University was even too hard for them, as they must take out student loan to fund the studies and PAY back later.
They just use the loan to drink, smoke, carry girls and party. They don't want to pay back that loan.

Well, you saw the stats I posted that claims a larger proportion of UK people have post secondary school education than Nigerians. The bold is the difference, and is why UK creates jobs while Nigerians expect the government to create the jobs, though the government is the actual people who are not creating jobs for themselves.

For your "never saw a white British student in my class except for one elderly man later on", that would depend on the university. You wouldn't not see white Brits in a Russell Group university, as they know which has prestige. And most who take student loans don't "just use the loan to drink, smoke, carry girls and party" and "don't want to pay back that loan". They don't in fact have a choice in the matter, as the loan repayment is deducted like tax (it was in my day when first introduced).

Starting pay for graduates in UK is not the minimum wage a non-educated non skilled would earn. And by the time it takes you to earn what the graduate starts with, barring you learning on the job which can be equally lucrative, the graduate might likely have doubled their pay.

Nigerian education is abysmal, and I do understand why a Nigerian might find it useless, especially if they learnt nothing and paid for grades. But a person who actually bothers to learn will find their degree makes them resourceful and impervious to the glass ceiling a non-degree holder might hit, as shown by your elderly British course mate.

Do note, learning plumbing, mechanics, electrician and the likes in UK will endow one with superior knowledge and earning power than many degree holders in Nigeria can dream of, but its not necessarily better than a degree from a UK university.

basilico:
Socialism: Advocates social ownership and democratic control of the means of production.

According to Google, Whatsapp , Chatgpt, Grok, right?

Now show where Mamdani has proposed "social ownership and democratic control of the means of production" in New York.

basilico:
Budaatum. Stop

I don't want to know what Google, Whatsapp , Chatgpt, Grok thinks or knows, but what you actually know.

Define socialism please.

The shameless Democrats!

https://youtube.com/shorts/DtuBpoaZxDI?si=fyGsLdb6BRMuRPj-

uuzba:
In UK, that's exactly what happens. Their locals are all learbing work.
It is we Nigerians, Africans that are running there to fund their universities with our money as international students. International students pay 5 times what their own local UK students pay.
The money is so sweet for them that they have been coming to Nigeria come and advertise their UK universities. And we keep carrying our hard earned naira to give them.
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To their own locals, they only beg them that, "you are likely to get a better job if you get a degree". That's how their universities are advertised on their local radio stations. I listen to UK radio online. So I hear all the adverts.
Majority of the UK people are either learning work, or collecting unemployment benefit from their government.

I do wonder how true this is. Facts suggest Nigerians do not go to enough school, and our education does not exactly equip us to create enough jobs.

In 2021, 33.8% of people aged 16 and over in England and Wales held a Level 4 or above qualification, which includes degrees and postgraduate qualifications, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS). This equates to roughly 16.4 million individuals. The data indicates a steady increase in the proportion of people with degrees over time.

In 2020, around 17% of the young population in Nigeria had post-secondary education, according to Statista. However, there are concerns about the employability of these graduates, with reports indicating a skills gap and high unemployment rates among graduates.

bemeruca:
Budaatum is arguing

And while you are at it, or rather, while I await your definition of socialism,


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uG6671HVhck

And note, UK like most countries, are mixed economies with both capitalism and socialism, a Constitutional Monarchy and Parliamentary Democracy:

bemeruca:
Budaatum is arguing the UK is a socialist country. Wow

The UK is predominantly capitalist, with private ownership of businesses and industries.

Major sectors like finance, manufacturing, and retail are privately controlled

State plays a role in healthcare (NHS), education, and welfare.

China operates in mixed economy. Na wa.

Mandami is proposing similar policies that UK has thrived on, so if you call him socialist you must claim UK is socialist too, since he is not proposing to abandon capitalism in New York.

But as I asked Amazon, define socialism please.