₦airaland Forum

IbeOkehie:
On this, I want to make it clear that there's no solution for healthcare in modern society. This is something I've stated REPEATEDLY on this forum. When it comes to healthcare, I don't know much. Because healthcare is not subject to VOLUNTARY demand, free market and economic principles can't be applied. In the long run, nothing works for healthcare in any country under any system. Unfortunately.

Come check out UK's healthcare. It would make you see the good the human race can achieve when it stops relying on luck and places its trust in the sweat off their collective brows.

IbeOkehie:
Mr Gerrard didn't justify racism. That's like saying he justified snow or rain. Come on. Humans are NATURALLY racist and everyone knows it.

Sorry, but I only need to look at myself to know that being racist is not "Humans are NATURALLY".

You are programmed (miseducated) to be racist just as you can be educated to not be racist, and tribalist for that matter. And I hope you bear this in mind so you may program your children accordingly.

raumdeuter:
Someone has to pay for it
The doctors won't treat anyone for free, the hospitals are not free. Medications are not free.
It's either individual use their insurance to pay or govt pays by increasing everyone's tax burden

Someone has to pay for it

I'm very glad UK funds the healthcare system with tax.

I fell ill in Nigeria in 2016 and went to see a doctor. He asked me to go do an x-ray which cost a mere 5k, and on receiving it told me to see how only half of it was shown.

"buda", he said, "look at the quality of the xray. While it shows spinal damage, I would need you to go do a magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) scan to fully diagnose your illness, and likely 3 more while treating you. Each cost about 100k for which you'd need to travel from Osun State (where I lived), to Lagos or Abuja to do them. I hear you are from UK, so I advise you go get cured there".

On arrival back in UK, they first thought I had Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS), and prescribed me 3 doses of an intravenous medication I found cost £500 a dose, but after 2 doses they realised that might not be it. I told them not to bother with the third dose, the Naija in me wanting to save them £500, but they insisted they must, and that it would do me good regardless while they investigated further.

In the end, I had 25 MRI and various other scans and spent 3 months in King's Hospital where I found foreigners were paying £500 a night for just the bed with cost of treatment added on top.

I most likely might have run out of money and died if I'd been required to fund my own healthcare, and I'd have been distressed if I had to deal with a dodgy insurance company to fund it.

Doctors still see me twice a year, and I'm amazed they care so much and that it costs me next to nothing apart from my National Insurance contributions and tax, which also covers the £900 of medical equipment a month that keeps me alive and functional.

I'm very glad everyone gets treated regardless of how much they earn or have, and hope Nigeria's National Health Insurance (NHI) Act of 2022 provides the same level of care for everyone someday, though the fact we can't bother to secure the website is already concerning.

raumdeuter:
I know someone who got insurance and within 2months had a major procedure that cost over 200k. Which the insurance covered, where did you think they got money from to cover that? By denying some people.

I would like to hope that the bulk of the 200k came from premiums received.

Insurance is after all not babajebu or shouldn't be.

raumdeuter:
The high prices are not solely due to capitalism but partly caused by excessive government regulation. The FDA approval process is lengthy and expensive, which limits competition and keeps prices high.

They must be eating the houses In 'blue' state Florida where Biden is governor.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ot1Ck79mRY?si=hI1u58YSWSQI3n6s

Maeve7:
Nobody has argued the opposite.

I would argue the opposite. See my post above.

Gerrard59:
The world today is much wealthier than during the '60s. There is less poverty today than 100 years ago. People live longer these days than 50 years ago. All thanks to human ingenuity and capitalism. Fine, in the face of declining birth rates, something has to change. But we should remember the past and now.

People in the 1900s would be terribly envious of the comforts and standard of living someone in 2024 enjoys. Capitalism did that. Humans are naturally greedy, and so far, that is the only economic system that caters to that trait. Unsurprisingly, it is the only economic system that has pulled more people out of poverty than any other economic system.

Guess you've never heard what supposed communist China has achieved. During my lifetime alone, China went from individuals not being able to afford cars to everyone dumping their bikes.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BT7Th2aV0wM?si=Ng__YBm6Wb_SlKDI

cococandy:
It may not matter to you what he’s worth, but it should matter to you that public funds are used to subsidize their businesses. You guys seem to look at the conversation like people are jealous of them. No we’re saying stop investing public funds into them because they are supposed to make life easier for the simple guy. We’ve seen that they don’t. Whatever profits they making isn’t going back into the public pot.

The billions he received in subsidies could fund a social program that helps make sure middle class families are not being effed over by a small illness or accident. And somehow he would still be a billionaire. His luxuries that he worked hard for would still be his.

What amuses me is the double standard of imposing tariffs on China because China is subsidising companies, but ignore the subsidies they themselves give to American companies who then reduce staff because they can't compete.

Guess they must be glad China can't retaliate. /s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7YbL6l9I7w?si=tVm7MWhS_Fo04mS_

We should in fact promote Governor Okpebholo’s Budget Broadcast Gaffe because it seems to pain am a lot.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y1NW3fdyEc?si=8rKvh9bbu43r93Gx

Zionmdde:
Hope this is a joke
Anyway the people deserve whoever is leading them, illiterate or wicked idiots, the people were given a chance to vote and they made their choice

Before you talk about rigging or vote buying, it still requires the people.

Imagine! Only 20 million voted out of 93 million who registered to vote, and a mere 9 million voted for the president, but they think rigging and vote buying is our problem when its actually sit on your ass and do nothing and then moan you are starvingnism.

Justiceori2019:
Nyesom wike is trying to grab has a legel allocation document since 1984 and from nowhere Nyesom wike has revoked it and allocated the land to the company that is allegedly managing his hotels in Portharcourt,he also gave shares to Kingsley chinda the leader of the minority in the house of reps.

Verydarkman better have evidence for this claim of his or he'd be hiring lawyers to free him from a very dark jail.

Kewtt:
I can assure you Dele Farotimi has no evidence!!!

I am already sure you have no evidence to assure us.

sparko1:
Opec oh!

Must you criticize, he is not the president or NNPC chairman.

First, my comment was not a critique, and did you miss my "though I'm certain that is not in his remit."?

Still, the reduction in worldwide crude oil demand and Americas "drill baby drill" must concern him, and solutions should be in his remit, I hope, since it would affect OPEC, and Nigeria that Exousiang01 has informed me can not meet its current quota as it is.

Exousiang01:
We have enough crude for those.

We have more than enough crude for export and refining...

More over that's not his job.

Get yourself educated.
we are already finding it difficult to meet the OPEC quota and you are talking about reducing export, when our major export as a country is crude.....

Did you fail to read my "though I'm certain that is not in his remit", or is it you who needs to get yourself educated to read?

Regarding your not "finding it difficult to meet the OPEC quota", the Senate have already second read that you must process 30% before you export, so your quota you can't meet will likely never be met.

Oh. And our major export as a country is not crude, but Nigerians who are japaing, and we'd be much better exporting less crude and processing it at home to export finished products.

Gerrard59:
The gender pay gap does not exist.

https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20190831-the-paradox-of-working-in-the-worlds-most-equal-countries
If you notice, the article is dated in 2019. We are almost in 2025. Please let's stop peddling untrue information on Obasanjo's Internet.

The below is from your own link, but I guess you'd like to claim things have changed since 2019

However, there are still surprisingly few women in senior private sector roles. Just 28% of managers in Denmark are female, rising to 32% in Finland and Norway, and 36% in Sweden, according to a report by independent think tank The Cato Institute in 2018. Iceland is the highest-scoring Nordic country, with 40%. But that is still three points behind the US, where 43% of managers are women, despite the US ranking just 51 in the World Economic Forum’s Gender Gap index.

Meanwhile, women in the Nordics trail their male counterparts in attracting investment for new businesses. Only 1% of investments registered in the Nordic Tech List database last year went to companies headed solely by female founders, according to figures analysed by Swedish business news site DI Digital.

I am very certain it is worse in Nigeria where most believe the woman is the man's rib.

First thing is did you even apply for a job with the Civil Service Commission?

SocialJustice:
Who will enforce?

We must enforce, I'm afraid. And I do mean powerless you and I and others like us. And we must do so by staying on top of the data and highlighting where we fail and ridiculing the toothless House until they learn to succeed in saying "let there be", and there is. That's after all why "let us", to show we are all involved.

What's good about this is the ease in tracking our raw crude oil exports, where we must now process 30% of it at home.

9jatriot:
I admit I did not real the article but I will not put it past the nonsense currency Emiefele did, they are the currency that people with basic graphical skills can counterfeit.

If you had bothered reading the article you'd have noticed the counterfeit discovered was mostly "3,366,000 US dollars" that "people with basic graphical skills" can not so easily counterfeit, though Nigerians who don't bother to read can very easily be fooled.

He should start by encouraging less export of crude oil and more local refining, though I'm certain that is not in his remit.

NoIgboSoundTueh:
Finally an Igbo man that i love
"But if they repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, then they are your brothers in religion; and We detail the verses for a people who know."

Pity your own understanding of Islam does not cure you of disliking others when Allah loves those who are fair regardless of their tribe and religion.

You are not only mandated to love your brothers in religion alone, or are you?

Maeve7:
You are wicked.

Only to those who reserve it I hope.

hoeminique:
How will they measure the 30%?

Also, how will yorubas that have ZERO production facilities in their region ....

We must start by processing your brain so it can increase in intelligence by 30% before we export you. That would decrease your tribal bigotry to a mere 70%, which is still too high but a start.

As for how we shall measure it, you just leave that to we Nigerians.

Help needed to edit wiki please, and for the creation of a page for the Professor.

After the demise of the chief imam, Sheikh Musa Muhammad in 2015, the position of a Chief Imam was abolished.[2]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abuja_National_Mosque

Mention me once done please, and thanks in advance.

The intellectual level of the conversation on this thread has grown way past that which a stupid idiot can follow and you now feel left out and irrelevant as most have learnt to ignore you.

Up your game, and mind!

cococandy:
Thank you!!

Because that one argument Ibe made about more self made men billionaires compared to women almost made me grind my teeth. I didn’t even know if I should go into replying him or not.

How are we completely ignoring the fact that women in america (since that’s the society we based the income inequality on ) couldn’t get access to credit and loans until the 1974.

How were they supposed to fund the billion dollar businesses and catch up to centuries of men’s unfettered access to collectively owned natural resources?

If we had sufficient collective mental capacity, we'd be discussing how Africa could catch up to western societies after years of suppression, especially in these days of tariffs, which should make us wonder if and why African economies have been tariffied into poverty. Instead, we are finding excuses to justify and perpetuate female oppression.

Same people will of course argue against a woman aborting because she doesn't want her pay hampered by a pregnancy and a toddler. She must identify into the role "nature" has set for her they'd claim, whether she likes it or not and despite having a choice these days.

Thankfully, these, to be men, must first feed on a tit, and along with that can come the ideology they shall live by, which makes it the woman's duty to breed men instead of pigs, just as Eve bred sense into that ignorant naked enslaved Adam and made him the mythical father of humans.

Gerrard59:
You know, that is the beauty of capitalism and the right to choose. Capitalism rewards hard work and dire risk. It is risky to be drilling oil in the middle of nowhere for a short time away from loved ones. So those who choose this option are well rewarded. A reason many men opt for it ......

I think you are completely missing the point of gender pay equality.

No one here is arguing that, say a teacher, be paid the same as "drilling oil in the middle of nowhere", regardless of gender, but that if a woman is "drilling oil in the middle of nowhere", she should be paid the same as men who are "drilling oil in the middle of nowhere".

And women should not be barred from "drilling oil in the middle of nowhere", because there is no evidence that women can not drill oil in the middle of nowhere.

Women in the army has shown how competent we are, but I'm certain someone will throw some selected right wing at me to try to show otherwise.

IjeBos:
And honestly, I feel some of these arguments were used back in the days to justify racism and sexism. Especially the ordered and stabled society argument.

That "ordered and stabled society argument" makes me cringe too. But I recognise not everyone makes the sort of association you've made here.

I can bet you that whites in America earn more than blacks in America (especially if stated as loosely and ignorantly as I've stated it), and I can just about hear the arguments that whites have higher IQs than blacks, and work longer hours than blacks and take less time off than blacks despite the fact that blacks in America earned whips and chains and food and board and no education for centuries, which disadvantaged them just as the equivalent oppressions did women.

Here's from UK:
https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2020/jun/23/white-household-income-in-uk-is-63-higher-than-black-households-ons-finds

And the whys according to some:
https://www.epi.org/unequalpower/publications/understanding-black-white-disparities-in-labor-market-outcomes/

Gerrard59:
That is the Motherhood penalty and it is the major reason lesbians outearn married women. This link: https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2024/03/07/where-is-the-motherhood-penalty-greatest shows studies across countries, developed and developing.

To add to your link, here's another.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0049089X20300144

The fact that women had traditionally been barred from working at all in most societies, and couldn't inherit and get a degree or a bank account till relatively recent, adds a lot to the gap in pay for the same job, note, as no sensible person expects equal pay for different jobs.

Feminism has thankfully narrowed the gap, with more women entering STEM today than men.

kkins25:
That's very much the conservative's talking point---not particularly what someone in the Left wing would say.

It was a funny video. Hmm your loss.

I could not concentrate on the video for some reason, and having watched it now, only in America. No one would ask me in UK if I identify as black because they'd at least trust what they see with their own eyes, though one would need to be rather stupid and ignorant to identify a person by their skin colour alone and ignore everything else about me.

When I was young, people wanted to identify me with my surname, but I preferred to be identified by my first name. So, I simply ignored anyone who called me my surname until they used my first name. My identity is mine to define, and not anyone else's.

Same here where I identify as gender fluid. “Hello. My name is buda. My pronouns are ‘they, theirs, and them.’”, but I can't force anyone to comply.

If I see John, and you tell me your name is Samantha, who am I to argue and why should I?

kkins25:
If I may, my buda, do you identify as black?

I identify as buda. You are however very free and welcome to identify me as you see me with your own eyes. I, off course, reserve my right to not acknowledge your identification of me.

So you understand. You may identify yourself as an idiot, but I do not have to buy in to how you identify yourself.

Sorry, couldn't bother with the video.

kentebemoney:
Dey play!!!!
The women of Afghanistan wanted "freedom" and the men said: nay!!!
And the "nays!!!" Had their way. Why? Na man get power.

As I said, The oppression and lack of freedom that women experienced was due to the backwardness of men who oppressed them.

But you hopefully wouldn't want to be taliban just so you can claim to have power over women you oppress.