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Bebigiby1:
You are not tired of going to court? Hmmmmm well I know I can not convince you so let experience be the best teacher in this case..... Nice chatting with you...

No, I am not tired of going to court, just as I would not be tired if I run to be elected and lose. I should learn to fly better instead of blaming the hunter for shooting without missing.

If I were smart, I would not even wait until it is time to go to court, but would be educating my supporters now long before the election on how to deter election rigging and to gather evidence of any election rigging that does occur so that I could use it in court.

It's why I despair with my Obi. By now he should be organising and educating people for the next election already, but I don't think he's doing enough, and so will not win the next election, sadly.

Experience will indeed be the best teacher. After I suffer from not bothering to use my pvc and vote and instead suffer because I ignorantly sat on my lazy ass and let idiots vote my president, I will indeed one day wake up and stop being a stupid irresponsible fuq and vote and make it count!

Bebigiby1:
You speak as if impeachment is illegal or not an equal constitutional remedy as elections and voting....

Actually, you infer that I speak as if impeachment is illegal. And I think you are just making that up to justify yourself

The process for impeaching a President in Nigeria is contained in Chapter 6, Part 1, Section 143 of the 1999 Constitution, which anyone can go read online.

You may also read about it here, so you may understand how it is not just the people who get to impeach a president, and that you'd need APC senators and representatives to vote turkey for Christmas.

Bebigiby1:
Nigeria is currently experiencing what I will refer to "state capture" under this government.... In this scenario no institution is beyond the direct influence of the president, not even the other arms of government.

That, sir, is democracy! It is state capture of government institutions by a president, especially if the president in power has a majority in the Senate and the House.

You will forgive me for mentioning USA, but it is the same power Trump will have when he's President of the United States of America. He will capture every government institution in America, at least till midterm when I hope he loses the majority.

Fact is, if you can't vote for whoever you want as president, you definitely can not impeach whoever you don't want as president.

Only fools do not learn from the past and improve the electoral process so votes count. And if we don't learn, we'd all just continue suffering until we do decide to learn.

Bebigiby1:
As I said earlier, Tinubu's government is not transparent, the main reason behind subsidy removal and naira floating maybe a selfish one.... It may just be to enable him easily get a loan from IMF/World Bank..... Again one may ask, did he really completely remove subsidy or floated the Naira? What happens when you, many other Nigerians vote and they rig the result again, will you call for a revoltion then or wait again to vote in 2031?

Personally, I don't do maybes. I definitely don't from "maybe" start creating some conspiracy I have no evidence for, because I do not like deceiving myself.

Just read what you posted. First you claim "the main reason behind subsidy removal and naira floating maybe a selfish one", then you "ask, did he really completely remove subsidy or floated the Naira". Don't you think you should go do some research so you know instead of "maybe"?

If we vote and they rig the result, the people who lost will take the evidence to court (and please do bother telling me the courts are compromised too, or I'll just repeat what I said for INEC that our judges are not from Mars), and prove they rigged the result and get them thrown out. But if they can't prove they rigged the result, we will just try again in 4 years time. That's what Trump did and so can you. It is the power of democracy to teach the process of gradual transformation and improvement.

Besides, we Nigerians do hardly revolt. We do alooter instead.

I hope you are aware that we all don't give our contact details to "various establishments surveys", and would therefore not receive what you get sent.

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You are very welcome to think campaigning on tax cuts is not the same as vote buying. As for me, the only difference is whether you get paid up front or after the elections, and going by how little trust Nigerians have in politicians, I can see how they'd rather be paid in advance before the elections especially if they can get paid by all the parties and still vote for whoever they prefer.

If there are loopholes in the elections, there'd be loopholes in your impeachment, but do know that Jonathan did not stand at every poll both ensuring elections were fair, and neither did Tinubu stand there making them unfair. Besides, there's no way you can convince me Jonathan could have beaten Buhari because by the time of that election, most Nigerians were like "PDP? Never Again!" And that's why Atiku lost to Tinubu too. Or have you conveniently forgotten how we were discovering bags of Naira in ghanamustgoes hidden away in soakaways during Jonathan's tenure?

If you want a "highly decentralized governing system", you are going to hope someone campaigns for it and people vote for it, because that's the only way you will get whatever system you prefer in this democratic dispensation we are in.

We are not going to get what we do not elect.

Bebigiby1:
You're wrong when yoy said Trump campaigning on tax cuts is the same as vote buying in Nigeria.... Trump campaigning in tax cuts is not vote buying as he was only stating what he will do if elected which was what many Americans want.... In the case of Nigeria, vote buying is criminal act were voters are paid by politicial party agents to vote for their candidates.... you can not compare that to Trump campaigning about tax cuts.....

You said "What I think is we Nigerians are insufficiently competent to conduct a free and fair election. And instead of learning to conduct elections better, some like you are giving up claiming your vote does not count. INEC after all is made up of we Nigerians...." Again, you are wrong as Nigeria's 2015 presidential election was one of most credible since 1999 by Jonathan's government... this was made possible because Jonathan personally did not want meddle in the election.... Unfortunately, subsequent presidents did the opposite and abused their incumbent powers.... As I said in my earlier post, Nigeria's president have god-link powers as far as elections are concerned because certain constitutional loopholes like for example in the appointment of the INEC chairman and the appointment of CJN (Chief Justice)..... Such loopholes will mean that a person with dubious character like Tinubu who has no regards for the law can easily abuse it to ensure election results favor his party and government..... This is why no amount votes cast by Nigerians against APC can can remove them from power..... Above all, I came to the final conclusion that Nigerians were better off in a highly decentralized governing system not because of elections riggings or corrupt government but because of the systemic injustice that exists as result of the tribal religious sentiments that are rooted in the culture of the major tribes in Nigeria which have been the bane towards uniting the nation since independence....

Bebigiby1:
. Nigerians are not a conquered people per say..... In my opinion the issue here is that many are just too selfish to take responsibility over the mess that Nigeria has become.... The collective effort needed to salvage the country and save Nigerians from impending doom will happen when majority of Nigerians irrespective of tribe accept the ultimate truth that no genunine progress can be made unless they tackle this underlying issues....

See the above? I am saying our collective responsibility is we all vote and ensure our votes count. If we don't, no one will suffer an "impending doom" more than our collective Nigerian selves.

Having said that, I must say that I am very pleased Tinubu removed fuel subsidy and floated Naira. Yes, it came with hardship, but that is the consequence of having not removed fuel subsidy and floated Naira way back when the likes of Obasanjo proposed it.

feedthenation:
------Biden can do one up Trump and MAGATS---to step down and handover to Kamala over the next 2 months---

I thought this too. It would have been convoluted to have her pardon Hunter instead of himself, but I can't see the upside for her apart from being recorded as the first female president.

The downside however is she'd be the first unelected female president, and that's no good.

Bebigiby1:
not a paid government agent or opposition party agent working tirelessly on this platform to push your party's propaganda....

People make this claim you are making because their own position is weak. And the only reason I must be coming up with a stronger argument is because someone must be paying me.

My preferred party at the last election did not have enough to pay anyone. Even where vote buying was rigour, we paid the least and lost.

Do note!

Bebigiby1:
Why do you believe or think that a compromised INEC that will rig the election .....

Why do you think or believe anyone who counts your impeachment votes will not be compromised? And that's apart from the fact no one one will bother.

For your information, I do not believe or think INEC is compromised, nor do I believe INEC rigged the vote. I doubt more people would have voted for Atiku than Tinubu, and my own Obi did not stand a chance having started so late. As for vote buying, when Trump promises tax cuts to Americans if he wins, he is buying votes!

What I think is we Nigerians are insufficiently competent to conduct a free and fair election. And instead of learning to conduct elections better, some like you are giving up claiming your vote does not count. INEC after all is made up of we Nigerians. Or do you think we go and bring INEC people from Mars to come and conduct elections for us?

Nigerians can only push for a national reset by electing, with their votes, a person who campaigns to nationally reset. The other option Is a military takeover of government, but I'm glad you seem far too intelligent to suggest anything as devastatingly drastic as that.

Did you see the fakenews?


Dump is making Nigeria great again

https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.36MX9QQ

Bebigiby1:
If you noticed the title of my thread is "Tinubu Is BAD, Nigerians Must Impeach And Remove....."

Nigerians can not impeach a president. You'd know this if you bothered to read the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria.

What Nigerians can do is rise up and vote at elections for whomever we want, but here you are arguing that we can't even do that because votes, according to you, do not count.

If your votes do not count at election, they certainly do not count for an impeachment that no one is designated to bother acknowledging not to talk of count.

If Tinubu is bad, impeach him by voting him out at the next election, or don't bother and live through another 4 years of his supposed badness.

The choice is entirely ours.

Bebigiby1:
Maybe you will wake up from your unrealistic idealistic mindset by 2027 after a prolonged economic devastation caused by Tinubu's government, you will finally wake up when just like 2023, you realize that your vote did make any difference to stop Tinubu re-election in 2027 which by then he would've consolidated absolute power and all institutions like the judiciary will be totally dead, making it impossible to stop him.... your advocacy for a revolution by then will be louder than mine but it will be too late to reverse the deep damage done to Nigeria and Nigerians.....

If, when, Tinubu wins in 2027, which is very likely, I will come here to show you how 100 million Nigerians registered to vote but only like 20 million actually voted and less than 10 milion elected Tinubu while the rest were doing you and your vote does not count.

If like 50 million Nigerians choose not to be irresponsible fuqers and instead assert the power of their pvcs and vote, we will elect our president.

We are ignorant. And that's why we are bigots and subject to divide and rule. If we weren't ignorant, we'd be like the Chinese who don't care if the cat were black or white so long as it caught mice.

Good thing is this suffering is like rain that falls on everyone's head, so when we all get wet we'd all try to alleviate it together or just suffer more until we learn to elect competence regardless of tribe or religion or gender.

Bebigiby1:
It only takes a vote of no confidence to impeach a president through the national assemby.

Really? It only takes a vote that you claim does not count to "impeach a president through the national assemby" (sic)?

Please tell me how it is not naive to expect majority APC members in the national assembly to vote to impeach an APC president. It will help me understand why turkeys vote for Christmas

Bebigiby1:
You're just been naive as if votes in 2023 presidential election made a difference....

I have stated one evil reason to convince you your voting does not count. Another reason to convince you your vote does not count is it I were an irresponsible fuqer who wants to make you an irresponsible fuqer like me. That way, when we are suffering the consequences of our irresponsibly not voting, we can convince ourselves that the suffering consequence is not our responsibility.

Just know that irresponsible fuqers who don't vote can very not remove Tinubu or anyone else by any means from anywhere. All irresponsible fuqers do is try to convince others to be fuqed like they are and moan about it together.

Responsible people do not only vote, they also do what ever is required to ensure their votes count. Basically, they revolt by voting so they can win and restructure, instead of putting the cart of their votes in front of the horse of restructuring.

Bebigiby1:
As long Tinubu, APC government in control of Nigeria, your votes are useless in the grand scheme of choosing the president....

This is what many have been saying way back since Shagari era, and it is what I'd want you to believe if I want to rig and I win. Because while I convince you to sit on your lazy ass and not bother voting because your vote don't count, all I'd need is a mere 9 million of my voters to vote for me so I win.

Votes are how you voice your democratic opinion, and claiming "votes are useless", is you just saying you yourself are useless, which I hope I don't need to convince you you are not.

Next he'd be telling us he raised a dead person.

Notice how he failed to mention where this abroad is so we can check and verify for ourselves.

EmperorCaesar:
Atheists arent smarter. If anything, it takes a greater level of dumbness to think the complex and highly designed multiverse came from nothingness

Enlighten the atheists by telling them the name of the God that created the God that created the heavens and the earth so they fully understand that Gods do not come from nothingness.

They told you your pvc was your power, get it and vote, but you didn't bother and now you are crying that powerless you want to remove Tinubu.

I have no sympathy for you, and hope you learn for next time.

budaatum:
93 million Nigerians were registered to vote at the last election and only 9 million elected our president. 20 million in total voted while the rest sat on their lazy asses at home, and now are crying hungry and impeach.

Sorry, but I call you joker. And I hope you don't joke with your right to vote next time. Because its obvious what not being serious about voting does to lazy fuqs!

She is grooming then for what would follow the programming.

The next person would not be so fortunate because he'd be removing his car, but he'd be more fortunate than those after him who have their house and wife removed.

Passport will soon cost like 100k when he starts taxing japaians.

"He noted that the nation’s intellectuals and experts on whom the nation has massively invested huge resources to train in the interest of our country are migrating overseas in large numbers “at a time their services are most required at home.”

“It is heart-rending and the syndrome is not the solution to our problems,” he said."

Dump already did the same thing, and nominated him as ambassador.

Yeah right. Biden should leave Hunter in prison under dump.

That's what you'd do if he were your son.

Go Guanyu!

Been brewing under the radar since covid.

https://wolfstreet.com/2024/11/30/office-cmbs-delinquency-rate-spikes-to-10-4-just-below-worst-of-financial-crisis-cre-meltdown-fastest-2-year-spike-ever/

apogyizi:
Nothing like INTERNET WEALTH SHARING. Those are just English words thrown together to make it sound intelligent.
These are the same old same old scams of robbing Peter to pay Paul, and only those at the top make the most money.

Definitely Peter and Paul. Its why Peter promotes it so hard, to get paid.

2024 Qatar Grand Prix

He should sue me!

AmazonTopaz:
If people want to be foolish let them be. They will learn the hard way.

Please know that you do not need to mention me in your posts in this thread since I read them anyway.

Mentioning me in your posts gets me mentioned when idiots I ignore quote you, and I'd rather not be made to see the stupid idiot and basilico's tripe if I don't choose to.

Thanks in advance and good morning.