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bemeruca:
They are only objecting because Donald Trump is there. These same people make excuses for things they should be mad for all the time including you.

You know very well that atheist me would object to a state using tax money to buy any bibles, moreso inflated priced dump bibles! And that's apart from the fact that the first amendment forbids it.

bemeruca:
This guy is

And this guy

I repeat. Gas!

Both people you mentioned are objecting for the same reason I am, which is the inappropriate spending of tax money on dump's bibles, as opposed to him selling bibles as you claim

And I bet you'd object too if a state were buying Kamala bibles with tax money, though I don't expect you to be honest and admit to that.

ObaIgwe1:
I wanted to explain the differences between secular, non secular and atheist countries as it relates to the point you raised.. but for you, it will be a waste of time.

I was about to explain the difference too, but also decided not to waste my time.

LordReed:
I don't think anything has intrinsic value. All value is subjective ...

Xavier5, you see the above from my Lord up there?

It's what you've said too below.

Xavier5:
Intrinsic human value is the belief...

"Belief" is subjective, and that's the reason all we subjects don't all believe the same things.

bemeruca:
people who want to put gay practice in the church are angry that trump endorsed bible is being sold.

Gas! No one is angry that dump endorsed bible is being sold. We in fact encourage dump to sell you like ten if you so wish to own so many, and buy a dump watch too.

What is concerning is that a state is buying them with tax money!

Xavier5:
#Xavier

Personally? I think you protest too much in far too many words.

IjeBos:
I think bad things can happen if too many people believe untrue nutty things. i.e. Government aid workers are there to take your land.

You think? Like bad things are happening to people like Guilani and Sidney Powell and Mr Infowars and the pussy grabber who believe dump won the last election or who drink bleach for covid? Really?

Dude, bad things are happening to magas on Truth Social already, and I am glad it is!

IjeBos:
Some people are threatening Hurricane aid workers because of all the mis/disinformation Trump/Musk and co. are spreading.
BIden should really do more forceful pushback on it. But of course, he won't.

Biden can't and shouldn't waste his time attacking people's 1st Amendment. If fuqers break the law, the law will break them eventually.

Whois:
Be careful what you wish for

Wish for? You funny.

I'm looking in my crystal ball that has never ever once been right because it's a fake dodgy made in Aba, China one and has a crack in it. And I'm telling you the inevitable future that is going to happen as certainly as the sun will rise in the morning, that if you think its hard in Nigeria today, you ain't seen nothing yet!

And my reason for making such a claim is that we haven't begun to hear the words below that I've faked coming from of a certain Mr Kennedy who never said any such thing.

But don't you dare let me off easy please. Make a note in your diary to ask me how far in 12 months time, and in 2 and 5 years time too.

You, sir, will live very very long. And that's not a wish or a prayer, but a fact that's not from my crystal ball.

The time to rescue our selves was at the last election, but only 20 million of us decided to vote, and less than 9 million elected the president while the rest of us sat on our lazy asses and refused to vote and are now irresponsibly crying hunger.

Thankfully, we have another election in a couple of years, by which time hunger would have hopefully taught us to be more responsible and get off our asses to vote.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcYSmOnbkp0&pp=ygUPI3JlZGVtdGlvbnNvbmdz

naijaboy756:
Is there disparity now or not?

Good question. Anyone got an answer?

CBN (to) introduce matching system to eliminate FX market distortions

helinues:
Hardship or no hardship, people are making it. So no excuse

People are indeed making it despite the hardship, so no excuse.

Seriously. Every time people think its hard, sooner or later it gets even harder. Some are even crying for the return of bubu's hardship and even Abacha's, and I wouldn't be surprised to hear some crying for the return of Emilokan's hardship sometime in the not too distant future.

IjeBos:
You say a place where a lot of people who believe a man who says the US election was stolen congregate is filled with scammers scamming those people? No, Really?
There's going to have to be some serious discussion, if Dems win about how to meaningfully regulate social media that doesn't run afoul of the 1st amendment.

Why should there be a serious discussion "about how to meaningfully regulate social media that doesn't run afoul of the 1st amendment"? Do you want to deprive magas of their right to be scammed?

Fuq em! They deserve to be scammed if they congregate on a social media platform owned and run by a scammer.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs_xLbWy0QE?si=QMrvfWR6EzH8ahqV

helinues:
Your point is only emphasizing on struggling life .

Talk to people around you when everyone is minding their business lately

How much do you want to keep under your mattress or in your house, not even consideration of 9 figures just for stepping stone before getting things started.

Abeg, no dey reason like that oo

Asking people around me is the beginning of sufferhead.

One should mind one's own business instead of minding the business of those around one.

Pussyisgud:
I mean budaatum your moniker

"Mean", is the wrong word to describe it. Stand for, or represent, or signify, would be more accurate.

buda signifies a fruit eating Bodhisattva.

Atum is an Egyptian god.

Now, do some alchemy.

helinues:
@ emboldened is just one of the reasons why I I said real good life for average people in Nigeria is questionable even with money. You have the money to buy something but it's not available.

The internet providers would also tell you they have unlimited monthly package which by 25th , they would tell you it expired not to talk of bad network sometimes.

Oga bank still dey there oo, ATM palavas, bank queuing on the money you struggle to save

Why must you use internet when you can be engaging with those around you?

And why must you even use atm when you can stuff your money under your mattress?

My point is, you are complaining that you can't live a certain kind of life you need to struggle for instead of just live the life you can live, and my sympathy for you is zilch.

Dude, please! You got legs, so walk!

Xavier5:
So if I'm not objectively wrong, why did my statement make you cringe?

I never said you were "objectively wrong" (another subjective misrepresentation of yours!), because you can't exactly be objectively right or wrong when you are subjectively stating your subjective opinion just as I am.

Your statements made me cringe because they were jumbled up word salad that made no cogent sense, and would require detailed discussion to flesh out, which this thread is the wrong place for due to its inherent subjectivity.

Just think. My Lord asked for a thread on your view on abortion, indicating he intends to discuss it in depth, and your response made me question your understanding of objectivity and subjectivity, which alone would generate like 5 pages of to and fro. Do you seriously think that can objectively be discussed here, especially when you seem not to understand what you read and claim one said what one never said?

You might as well ask us to discuss in Oyingbo market, which is not what serious people will do unless they want to confuse poor basilico instead of seek to understand one another.

Please know that the only reason I did engage you is because you claimed to be liberal, which you defined as "truth, reasoning, progressiveness, open mindedness, liberty, human rights and value, equality, democracy etc", but you have shown you can be untruthful, and you haven't exactly reasoned, and you are not open minded at all not to talk of all those other grand words you listed, which I'm doubting apply to you or do like hot is 0⁰C.

And on this note, Ijebos, please accept my most sincere and profound apology. I was speaking theoretically, but you were right where this individual is concerned, and I was very very wrong.

For your information, Xavier5, dogs don't sleep on this thread, because someone is bound to kick you awake whether you like it or not, so long as you post here.

helinues:
The definition of good life even with money in Nigeria is questionable

I disagree. Good life is living contentedly, which one can do with little money.

What's 'good' for you is not necessarily what's 'good' for all. But then you are not a Buddhist, and likely know nothing of Dharma.

Pussyisgud:
What's the meaning of badaatum

I haven't got a clue what badaatum means.

Is this all average Nigerian you do, you very lucky git?

Most Nigerians are not average, and this is in no way their routine. Most of us must find time to go shop for food and queue for petrol and educate our children and ensure they do their homework, and we must have time to deal with the unforeseen wahalas and joys that come our way, and sort out our side gig too or we will starve.

There's also that irritating neighbour we must deal with, and the extended family who turn up unannounced and whom we can't avoid.

Xavier5:
So if I'm not objectively wrong, why did my statement make you cringe?

This is the American Politics thread, Xavier, and most don't appreciate it being derailed.

Start a thread.

LordReed:
His definition of Liberalism already had me shaking my head so vigorously it was about to pop off my neck.

I accepted his definition myself because he gave one, my Lord, but what he's done on this his latest is just throw out an incoherent word salad and think he was making sense. And to make it worse and cover up, he strawmans and gaslights, which is a clear sign of a lack of objectivity and the unawareness of his own subjectivity.

He in fact makes me feel I should go and apologise to Ijebos whom I think felt I was defending humptydumtyism when I was merely pointing humptydumtyism out.

Xavier5:
Okay, I'm wrong, and I'm sorry if truly you're not an Absolute Subjectivist 😊

Now back to the question I asked, what is it I said that makes you think I'm objectively wrong? This is like the fourth time I'm asking this questions... if I'm not mistaken 🤨

I never said you were "objectively wrong", Xavier5, so your question is strawmanning and not worth answering.

What I specifically said was your "universal objectivity is making me cringe". And the truth is the entire post made me cringe, and having discussed with you so far, I cringe even more.

If you can not see the object I wrote in words, and instead input your subjective understanding and then claim I said what I never said, I find it difficult to accept you can conceive of an objectivity that is universal. And that's apart from us not getting to the point where I ask what you mean by "universal objectivity", which I would for starts as soon as you or my Lord create a thread for the discussion of your post.

No one is an "Absolute Subjectivist", whatever that means. No matter how subjective one wants to be and make up crap in one's head and believe it, as I call it, the objective reality will quickly awaken you from your subjective slumber, just as the objective reality of what I said has awakened you from the subjective slumber you claimed I said. Basically, alternative subjective made up facts are not objective facts.

And no one is an absolute objectivist neither, as the mere fact that we are subjects precludes us being that objective, as you've already shown.

Subjectivity and objectivity are subjects that interest me due to their complexity, as you must have seen from my thread on the subject, so I'm curious when I find minds I think might sharpen mine. I can live with the disappointment though.

budaatum:
Baby tomato, ketchup!

Xavier5:
Somethings are subjective, but you cringed at my "objectivity" statements. Is that not you subscribing to the idea that everything is subjective?

But let's say I'm wrong, I made it up, I'm sorry.

Really, Xavier5, "But let's say I'm wrong, I made it up, I'm sorry"?

No, lets not say you are wrong. Admit you are wrong if you were wrong! That's the objective thing to do, considering you repeated that lie and others more than once!

And be aware that buda does not entertain the dishonest and the intellectually lazy.

Xavier5:
So everything is no longer subjective, ....

When did I claim everything is subjective such that you can input on me that I changed my mind?

Xavier5:
You've not answered any of my questions, I see you're trying to avoid them. Always typical of relativist. Contradict themselves, and avoid the questions.

Now, if everything is subjective, .......

I see that you not only label yourself, you also like labeling others.

You question is strawmanning! Show me where I claimed "everything is subjective" before you "if" me!

Xavier5:
What is objective evidence if everything is subjective? 😏

Everything is not subjective! The post you are currently reading which contains my subjective thought is very objectively in front of your subjective face!

Xavier5:
And isn't the statement that "everything is subjective" subjective also? So what's the truth in that?

I see you've put "everything is subjective" in quotation marks. Is that to imply I said somewhere that "everything is subjective"?

Show where if so, as I can't find it. And please note that if I never said so, its the second and a half time you've claimed I said what I never said.

Xavier5:
Secondly, so your problem with all I said is because I briefly brought in religion

No, your religion is not my problem. And in fact, nothing about your post is a problem for me.

Your use of words like subjective and objective was of bigger interest than your religion, along with a lot else. But now you've gone and added assumptions to your subjectivity, i actually have no more interest unless in a thread of its own.

Xavier5:
Is this an objective claim or a subjective one? 🤔

#Xavier

The fact it's a claim made by a subject makes it a subjective claim based on the objective evidence before me that you subjectively provided.

How objective subject you see my claim is entirely up to subjective you.

Xavier5:
The topic of objectivity is a discussion for another day, but when we get to that, I just hope you have good reasons for your ABSOLUTE SUBJECTIVITY whose opposing view makes you "cringe" 😏.

And for the record, I'm not pro absolute objectivity, because in life we have both objective and subjective morality and truth. But when the time comes for such discuss, we will have it.

Secondly, religion indeed... despite Xavier staying secular. Religion was briefly brought in to give further details, but the explanation reverted back to secular, and stays that way.


#Xavier

Do note that you are asking me for "reasons for your ABSOLUTE SUBJECTIVITY", which I never said I have except for this one particular instance.

A religious person can not stay secular, or at least you certainly haven't! By your own admission, and as is clearly obvious in your post, you reverted after diverting, and if this is what you did with your liberalism, I can see why Ijebos went off on one with you, and I'm very tempted too.

An objective person would know the subjectivity of this thread makes it impossible to objectively discuss either here.

Baby tomato, ketchup!

dawnomike:
Raise the buba behind you and sit on the trouser... That way, if you get to sit on a dirty chair or what have you, your buba will cover your dirty backside.

Also, the wear and tear of constantly sitting on your trouser bum will be hidden by the buba and agbada and prolong the attires use.

LordReed:
OK. Go ahead, tell me your reasons for holding your position on abortion.

My Lord I hope you form a thread with Xavier5's response so it can properly be considered. Preferably in the religious section where it rightly belongs!

His "universal objectivity" is making me cringe.

WhizdomXX:
Obama is known for choosing older white men to support younger black candidates.

Is "Obama is known" your reason for not crediting Kamala with a brain of her own?