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justlove91:
You're probably taking about trance mediumship, physical mediumship is different, read this small book to get an idea of what it is https://www.ghostcircle.com/free_book/gambier-bolton-ghosts-solid-form/ The book is titled "Ghosts in solid form"

And lastly, we require about twelve to sixteen earnest and really sympathetic men and women—persons trained on scientific lines for choice—all in the best of health: men and women who, whilst strictly on their guard against anything in the shape of fraud, are still so much in sympathy with the person who is acting as the Sensitive that they are all the time sending out kindly thoughts towards him; for if, as has been said, "thoughts are things," it is possible that hostile thoughts would be sufficient not only to enfeeble, but actually to check demonstrations of physical phenomena of all kinds in the presence of such specially organised, highly developed individuals as the Sensitives through whom materialisations can be produced. I shall refer to these men and women as THE SITTERS. https://www.globalgreyebooks.com/ghosts-in-solid-form-ebook.html#downloads

On a cursory look, it's hardly the sort of book I'd read nowadays, having read similars in the past and found them equally wanting. His claim to doing science is not science at all, and his sitters are no different to me hiring fake people to shout they are healed when I slap their heads so others can shower me with money. Besides, how does it differ from those who claim they saw crucified Jesus resurrect?

justlove91:
@bolded
So science now believe in telepathy?

One does not believe anything where science is concerned, because science itself is the testing of the validity of beliefs so one may actually know.

As for telepathy. Guess that's not a thing I test further than my own limited abilities.

uncleck:
I might end up single

Your choice dude. And I like your ex by the way, for accepting you for whom you are but wanting you to help her navigate past all those who wouldn't.

You mentioned Buddhism. When a Buddha arrives in a place, they eat what is eaten and wear what is worn and worship the gods that are worshipped, because in so doing others would see their doing and learn to accept them for whom they are. But much more beneficial is that in joining in doing with them the Buddha gets to learn who they are and better teach them.

Learn to be liberal minded yourself perhaps, and compromise a little. It might help you keep the "liberal minded person that is contented with one d***k".

Khyrvxjzy:
the average nigerian is corrupt, when i was an undergraduate my lecturer said for Nigeria to be better, everyone above 18 must be killed because we are corrupt.

Your lecturer was very ignorant by the way, if killing you was his solution. A better lecturer would have taught you how to solve problems instead of killing yourself away from them.

If I were you, I'd very carefully review what he taught me so I could dump the hopeless junk.

justlove91:
Yes, it is annoyingly slow, lol.
I've enjoyed our conversation.

I've you heard or read anything about physical mediumship?? It is an interesting read if you got the patience and time.

Yes I have read about physical mediumship. Some have claimed it's part of my occultism, though my study of it was more psychological.

"The psychical researcher Thomson Jay Hudson in The Law of Psychic Phenomena (1892) and Théodore Flournoy in his book Spiritism and Psychology (1911) wrote that all kinds of mediumship could be explained by suggestion and telepathy from the medium and that there was no evidence for the spirit hypothesis". And I've found that to be true.

That said, I'm not averse to it's use since it works on some. It's psychological effect on those who believe in it that is.

Khyrvxjzy:
am ready to die for Nigeria are you ready?

No, I'm not ready to die for Nigeria and never will be because suicide does not solve problems it just makes one unaware of them.

Better is to not be corrupt. That way I can do my own bit in not increasing the corruption, and if others join in being less corrupt, corruption will significantly reduce.

One does not have to be "average Nigerian" when a little more work would make you an incorrupt Nigerian, and with more work even superior Nigerian.

justlove91:
And I hope we will evolve further past needing legal laws to put us on leash.

Oh we will. Adam, we read, was on a leash, believing he'd die if he nourished himself with knowledge, then along came evolved Eve with her ability to consider the words of a serpent.

She nourished herself with knowledge that opened her eyes so she could unleash Adam from his naked slavish bondage, and see now how far humans have since evolved.

In my short lifetime alone, I've seen us place father's bible on the mantelpiece not to be touched by anyone, to every Bola, Musa and Chukwudi now having their own copy and now we, or at least many, are evolving into unbelievers. Evolution is a descriptively inevitable, I think. It is just so slow that it's not often noticed.

Thanks for this thoughtful thread by the way. I've only read you but will find time to consider others.

justlove91:
It's definitely good to compel at first but we would have to move past that to educating them. Just as it is good to compel your kids to brush their teeth but still need to educate them on why they should brush their teeth, that is more sustainable.

And that's the rub. In the early days of human civilisations, education had not been discovered, so people were compelled, and there was no better compellation than fear. Slapping you is afterall not worth eternal damnation in hell after all, if I believe there is hell.

These days we educate more, moreso because education has removed the veil off the gods, and we've discovered they were created by our fellow humans to compel us, and it does not work so well anymore.

We've evolved I guess, and see more clearly.

justlove91:
I mean it just as when I say "Gravity was put in place" not as a prescriptive law but as a descriptive law.

"Prescriptive (or proscriptive) laws are rules that regulate the conduct of the agents affected by them, indicating what is mandatory and what is prohibited, what must and cannot be done."

"Descriptive laws explain how people, or even natural phenomena, usually behave or work. Example: the law of gravity, laws of economics. Prescriptive laws prescribe how people ought to behave."

The karma 'law' is not descriptive like gravity. If I jump into the air I will land on the ground, but if I kick your ass there's no law that says I'd get my ass kicked, especially if I get my girls to join me when I kick you so I'm defended from you kicking me back. So I'd say karma is prescriptive, as in a law you'd hope people believe to be true, and I don't see how it differs from the wages of sin being death.

"Put in place", adds the idea of a putter, and for some that's a god or a supreme being, or the Egyptian Pharaohs who claimed to be gods, or the bible writers who were prescribing how people ought to behave.

justlove91:
You're being dramatic.

Using hyperbole too, and I am delighted you noticed.

kkins25:
You could say, the Buda stared deeply into the Lavenda, and the Lavenda stared back at the Buda.

I wonder, was it only the staring that took place, or the staring was coupled with chants?

Chants? Well, I guess the numerous doctors who saw me daily could be said to have been chanting, though non-religious speak would say they were investigating and using their knowledge plus the juju of the picture to keep me well. I asked at the time and was told the picture was intentional too.

Incidentally, just left them now. They injected botox in my bladder to stop me wetting myself.

justlove91:
Let me explain how I believe this works.

So you have an uncultivated land around your house, you can plant whatever you want. You can plant fruit trees, flower, weed, poisonous plant etc and the ground will support its growth without any question.

But this is not true as any farmer would tell you.

First, you can't just plant "whatever you want" as your soil might not be suitable to what you want. Second, while you might initially think the ground is supporting you, as the years go by the nutrients in the ground would be depleted and the ground will support you less and less till nothing grows on it no more, which is why you need to understand how your plants grow instead of leaving it to some god in the ground.

justlove91:
In my OP I said I believe in the law of sowing and reaping which means for every deed (action) its reciprocal effect is bound to come back, this law tends to our deeds as the soil tends to seed, giving us its harvest sooner or later.

You believe? Now that's odd. Unfortunately, the reason you believe is that you do not know, for once you know you wouldn't merely believe because you know.

Example is you believing the water falling on your head is rain. Once you've looked up and seen the rain falling from the sky on to your head, you'd likely never say you believe it is raining because you have checked and now know if it is raining or not.

Still, not true that "for every deed (action) its reciprocal effect is bound to come back", especially not in the short term, and sometimes not in one's lifetime or even generations later. One just need consider the rulers in many countries today (King of England, Abacha's children, American founders), who's forbears looted from others and they, generations later, are still benefitting and profiting from it.

Thankfully, most humans know the limits of karma, and so have laws to enforce this karma "law" as best we can since it's not some natural law of the universe like say gravity on earth might be.

justlove91:
So, with this law in place, you don't need a Supreme being to tell you what is right or wrong. You only need to know whatever you put out will come back to you, so if I want to reap good I will plant good and if I want to reap evil, I will make sure I plant evil. Nobody is judging.

This "law in place" sounds like it needing to be put in place by some entity, hence the law or the gods, so you may believe or be compelled.

Also, depending on the evil, like say murder or theft, someone is judging, and there's a human imposed punishment is seen.

justlove91:
The only reason I tell people to plant good is because I know people will want to reap good and you can't plant evil hoping to reap good, it doesn't work like that just as you can't plant weed and hope flowers to bloom around your house.

You tell people? Now, if you were organised, you'd have a specific time when they come to you so you can tell them, and unless you have superpowers, you'd not tell them once, but would need to tell them many times over and in different ways too. Can you therefore see how you might become a preacher and have a church so you can tell people? I bet you'd require them to pay for the education you give them too.

justlove91:
So, we don't need a Supreme being to give out morals(dos and don'ts).

Did I say you might become a preacher so you may "give out morals(dos and don'ts)"?

Thankfully these days you can just start a thread, though you'd be standing on the shoulders of the giants who got there way long before the internet and you came along, or you'd have needed to start from scratch.

If you were more able you might become a teacher of morals(dos and don'ts), or a judge, imposing penalties on those who don't conform. You might even write your own bible, because they would be tools you'd need to use to get to tell the most people and "give out morals(dos and don'ts)" to them, and you'd do so because of your love for humanity.

justlove91:
That's true, but not all stories there are good, one should learn to discern, but if I can discern between good and bad already why should I read it??

Indeed, not all stories are good, and that's the beauty of the book in question. A story very early in it introduces one to knowledge of good and evil so one can use one's own mind to discern between the two.

As for you knowing already, thank the gods that you do, but the pure morality you've introduced here includes considering not only your needs but the needs of others too, and some are not as privileged as you are and so might benefit from the learning.

Also, considering most around you worship the god in said book, knowing their gods would help you understand them better, and understanding others helps one be more moral towards them even if they don't deserve it.

Do note, other books are available. Just that this particular book is much more easily available than most.

justlove91:
I'm not trying to force anybody, it's just nice to be good for goodness sake and if one chooses to be moral for selfish reasons, that's cool also, atleast it will still accomplish our ideal (living peacefully among ourselves).

While it may be "just nice to be good for goodness sake", you'd still need to ensure people see this way since no one is born to even know what's good in the first place. You wouldn't say ordinary please and thank you if you were not taught to, same as most people would not necessarily be good if they are not taught or compelled to be good. So you'd either need to educate people to be good or compel them to be good, both of which any responsible society would do by educating its people and adopting laws to punish transgressors.

justlove91:
A welcome bonus.

The hugest and biggest bonus. The Bible was written by numerous people, and introduces many writing techniques which have been used in various other books, so learning to read and understand the bible helps when it comes to understanding other books like Aristotle, Plato, K. Marx, A. Smith and even mandalas.

Estobi:
@Budaatum and

See my profile please.

LordReed:
Had something like this happen to me too. Wasn't full blown GBS but something along those lines.

Glad you are better my dear buda!

Glad you are better too my Lord.

nairamaniac:
Restructure the end of your post. The last two sentences so we can understand what you are saying.

My sentence is perfectly okay for some people somewhere who can bother to try to understand it. Just perhaps you are in the wrong place.

LordReed:
Kate's in good company though.

Gentle, meek and the best my Lord. She honours me when I'm called upon.

justlove91:
How so?

It's a book with many stories for one to contemplate and learn from.

justlove91:
Indulge me, what do you think I mean by Moral mandala?

You likely mean learning morality by seeing further than one's own selfish needs, though it's not what I think you mean but what it might mean to me since I can only read my mind.

That said, here are your own words

Moral mandala is to be moral not because a God said so or for the fear of hell or the greed for heaven but to be moral for morality sake, to be moral because humans are capable of it and if humanity is to survive for long this is what we should all be doing.

To be "capable" means to understand the need and to know how to, though I'd balk at your "this is what we should all be doing", unless you plan to force or indoctrinate or teach humanity to be doing.

justlove91:
Why wound you want to preach Jesus to people?? By the way, I'm not a Christian.

I don't want to preach Jesus to people and neither am I a Christian. But in the dearth of Plato and Aristotle and Marcus Aurelius et al, reading the easy available Christian and Muslim books would be a step in teaching humanity to be doing, in my opinion. We just might learn to sacrifice for others in so doing, and we'd at least learn to read.

Also,
https://www.iranintl.com/en/202310132841

basilico:
You never seem to get it..CNN is obviously lying about funds ......

See the below and watch to see how it plays out instead of trying your useless qanon strategy of presuming your own subjective factless doubts would be swallowed as facts for anything like you don't have a history of touting debunked 2000mules!

https://en.mehrnews.com/news/207047/Iran-says-has-access-to-unfrozen-funds-in-Qatar

justlove91:
In conclusion, an atheist can not only be moral but has more access than a theist to a purer form of morality if he/she views his/her life as an opportunity to make a beautiful mandala for humanity's sake.

This was what got me by the way.

Actually, the atheist and the theist both have equal access to this purer form of morality you refer to, and as far as Nigerians are concerned, even moreso due to the Bible being in the education of many.

Be one a theist or atheist, one would have had access to stories of a certain Jesus Christ who had this so called purer form of morality so much that he is written to have given up his own life for the benefit of mankind, which to me sounds even a lot more purer than purer morality. Or do you not think we'd be a bit more selfish if Jesus is not preached to some?

We just need learn and understand, and, Mandala, I'd reckon.

justlove91:
This man... Oda, it is the business and all those other things.

But it is now, lol. Like the As I got in my lessons as a child were not for the benefit of the As, but for the love and the gifts and the welldones that teacher and mummy and daddy showered me with when I got As.

All that love and gifts and welldones and favour of all the gods should be part of my motivation as I mature and grow, and I must be smart enough to include their consideration and acquisition and utilisation in building a hospital to cure people, because that's what might further empower me to build more hospitals to cure even more people and get even more money and more gods favouring me.

LordReed:
I was already married when I deconverted so while I don’t have your struggle to find a partner, I understand the whole go along to get along thing. I initially struggled with accepting to still go to church and pray with my family just for appearance sake. I had a conversation with my dear sister (may she rest in peace), she made me see that my love for family should transcend my lack of faith or religion. Also I realised that there was no harm to me to continue to minimally be involved in religious activities with my family seeing as they know I don’t share their faith anymore. So now I go to church on Sunday with my family, say amen to their prayers and it has not changed my perspective at all. I'm even more contented to see that life doesn't give 2 bleeps whether you believe in a god or not or whether you attend religious services or not.

I've been going to church myself, though the habit is not catching.

It's Kate you see, almost 90, who likes walking the 500 metres from her house to church but can't walk there alone. So I've offered myself for whenever she wants and it takes us 45 minutes to an hour to very slowly walk there.

The church bores me but I so enjoy her company, and she appears to too.

No, that's not me in the image below.

justlove91:
As I said you're simply a business man and there is nothing wrong with that.

It is not the businessman in me that cures you, but a combination of a lot of other things too, like my joy and pride in healing you, and the favour of the gods and the money I'd obviously make. And you thinking it's the business and not all those other things is just uninsightful and shows your desire to pigeonhole me and my motivations.

I was once told by a doctor with a hospital to go where I could get free healthcare. If his motivation was his business, I would have been long dead.

basilico:
Iran can do anything they want with the cash.

I expect you to say some rubbish about CNN and then post something 2000mulish, which is why I wouldn't bother too much with you.

While the Iranian government claims it can use the money however it pleases, the Biden administration has repeatedly stressed that the funds are narrowly limited to non-sanctionable purchases like food and medicine, and that they will be subject to strict oversight.

“These funds are paid to vetted third-party vendors for food, medicine, medical products and agricultural products to go into Iran over a period of years. If there is any diversion, we’ll know it and we’ll lock up these accounts,” he told CNN’s Jake Tapper on “The Lead.”

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/18/politics/iran-money-explainer/index.html

justlove91:
In the above scenario, I have a motivation but the motivation is directed at them (improve their living condition) and not directed at me (to gain fame or be viewed as a good person, or to gain favour from God etc).

Like I shouldn't expect fame or be viewed as a good person or get favour from god or earn lots of money when I heal you with the knowledge I acquired through years of expensive study so I can build the hospital in which I cured you?

Why would I bother if I did not expect all the above and more? Was my education free too, and did I build the hospital for free?

If you don't want me to profit from curing you, please go to the hospital that was built without the expectations I have since I'm not the only hospital, you'd hope. For I am not that dumb to not know and expect to profit and fame and favour from humans from curing you, and whatever the gods add is very welcome.

justlove91:
This is not about feeling superior or inferior, it's about making the good an end in itself and not as a means to an end.

The good of say, building a hospital, is to the end of improving health. If an unhealthy person comes for mending, the good is them leaving healthy.

I'd charge you of course, and make myself wealthy in the process, and that might even have been the underlying end to my means of building the hospital, but I'm certain you'd not consider me bad therefore, since you wouldn't expect me not to pay the staff I hired to help cure you, and pay for the investment in my education that enables me to cure you and build a hospital to cure you in.

My fruits you see, and not the ends in my heart.

I bet mine is not cheap. Quality though, as rice get level.

basilico:
The article I posted is dated 0ct 2023. The monies are to cover quarter one 2024.

Here's the same 75m in July 2023 that gop's been blocking since 2021, unless your claim is how ineffective gop is. And note it's for humanitarian aid to Palestine and not weapons buying for Hamas as you claim which Hamas couldn't have bought 2-3 days before their current atrocious action anyway.

It just as you've claimed Biden paid Iran, only for us to find the spending is now being frozen, which couldn't happen if Iran were paid already.

Still.....

https://www.nairaland.com/4508641/american-politics-thread-joe-bidens/3924#126384321

basilico:
In your quest to sanitize Hamas , you become dyslexic. Nowhere did I say Biden gave Talibang any cash.

basilico:
Next. The weapons Biden gave freely to Taliban. .

Cash, weapons, any difference?

And the cash link you posted was same money from 2021, and it was given for humanitarian aid!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m19F4IHTVGc?si=iNVM9hfcGcSJc-A-

Note the date.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/blinken-says-us-provide-75-million-assistance-palestinians-2021-05-25/

basilico:
You will proceed to declare that all funds sent to Ukraine have been put to good use. apnews, wapo, wolfstreet, huffpost will endorse you.

Next. The weapons Biden gave freely to Taliban. They are showing up in Gaza also. Afghan borders Persia which arms and funds Hamas.
Also debunk that one too.

Show me evidence Biden gave money to Taliban please. And do note that I wouldn't accept 2000mules as evidence.

Shyboyk:
😅 ok the Christian’s in Palestine are enjoying abi…it’s same treatment to Christian’s in both country but the koko is that Israel is bombing those terrorist don’t bring religion into it

Religion is the reason Israel was created, and why Palestine is in the state it's in, so I don't see why I should not mention religion that underpins the killings, on both sides.