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CoolUsername:
BLM and Antifa are Trump supporters? Wow! The more you know...

You must be right of course. All the Jan 6 insurrectionists in jail today are definitely card carrying members of BLM and Antifa. Even the judges dump appointed are BLM and Antifa, along with the DOJ and the FBI and the CIA.

See some of them below with their non-black masks on!

Wilgrea7:
Dtruthspeaker seems to know a lot about this God, considering he easily and repeatedly gets offended on the God's behalf.

Maybe he can provide some answers

I don't think I can accept any answers about anything from a person who thinks square roots are pointless, and Simple Interest and Compound Interest is A Perversion and A Cover up of God's Established Law.

Good luck if you can.

Wilgrea7:
I think a lot of people got the wrong misconception from the title. When i say question God, i meant questioning claims about God we've been told.

"A lot of people" including my very self, I dare say and you must have noted. So perhaps be more specific about what we are questioning, some imaginary God, or what we read about an imaginary God in a real book.

Below is Jesus teaching the same, question what you have been told.

TenQ:
A Muslim or Atheist is going to hell because of what they have believed:

This is not true, TenQ. The Samaritan did not believe, yet Christ said do as he did!

In fact, Jesus himself did not believe what those he constantly argued with believed. And I'm certain they too would have claimed Jesus was going to hell.

And demons also believe, but I doubt you'd say they are going anywhere else but to hell.

CoolUsername:
Trump was less of a warmonger than most of his predecessors

He s followers were more warmongers than those of any of his predecessors.

TenQ:
Atheism is the total Rejection of God just as a child totally rejecting his parents.

Do not deny what you see with your eyes, TenQ. An atheist may reject God, but still learn from the God Books, as I am showing you.

Jesus taught about the reject God Samaritan and said "go and do likewise", as opposed to like the Levite and the priest who sinned precisely because of their supposed non-rejection of God.

That parable today would read, a Christian and a Muslim for the priest and the Levite, and a pagan or atheist for the Good Samaritan.

Not only roads are bad in the North. They face more insecurity, more unemployment and starve more than we in the South, all because they have been exploited more.

No wonder they are now Obidient. Buhari rained anguish on them too so their eyes are now opening.

TenQ:
Thanks bro!
The fruit of the Holy Spirit does not condone rash and vile behaviour. If it happens, I must have allowed my flesh to rule over me

You'd find that this is the point I have been making about the op of this thread.

You, Sir, are definitely not a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.

TenQ:
Your Parent gave birth to you and poured everything into you so that you would become Economically, Emotionally, Socially INDEPENDENT human in the society.

You could have chosen to go ROGUE and HAYWIRE! If you declared your independence before your nurturing was over, I tell you Buda, you'll by now be useless both to yourself and the society!


This is exactly with us and God as the Earth is a school to prepare us for the future
1Cor 2:9:
"But as it is written, Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God has prepared for them that love him."

There are things my parents taught me that I have gone rogue on, TenQ. Thankfully, my parents do not claim to know it all, so part of their giving birth to me and pouring everything into me included giving me the tools (knowledge) and also paying for me to acquire more knowledge from elsewhere so I may be useful both to myself and the society.

It would have been difficult for me to be "Economically, Emotionally, Socially INDEPENDENT human in the society" if they had kept me at home (in their garden) and refused to pay my school fees so I might go out and acquire the knowledge they enabled me to acquire. I'd be like those begging for manna from heaven if they had not bothered.

TenQ:
I hope I've not insulted you in any way!? It must be unintentional if it I did so. Forgive, it's not in my nature.

My point is precisely that you have not in any way insulted me and that's why we have come so far despite disagreeing.

Trust me. I am very most honoured.

TenQ:
You see why I seek no independence from the One who made me!? My life would be purposeless without Him.

But that is the difference between you and I, TenQ.

God made you, and unfortunately, not even to be fruitful and multiply and subdue, but to work and take care of a Garden of Eden.

My mummy and daddy made me, and they empowered me to be independent so my life would be more purposeful instead of working on a farm as their slave.

I guess that's why they fed me lots of fruits of knowledge instead of making me fear learning. It's so I may be free.

CoolUsername:
Y'all literally can't just understand that there are intelligent and morally upright people who support Donald Trump.

It hard to understand, I must say, especially when that intelligence is missing in their conversations.

If such a person as dump ruled Nigeria we'd be at war today for sure. But I guess there must be 'intelligent people' who don't mind fighting wars and killing each other, though I would question what's supposedly "morally upright" about them.

Wilgrea7:
Any takers?

Questioning God? Don't you need to find God first to question God?

Now, I wish this thread was about questioning what one reads about Gods in books since one can at least see and read the books while the Gods themselves seem to have better things to do unless one wants to believe the answers one comes up with in one's head are from God.

I'd be asking the Christian God why Adam and Eve got demoted to slaves in a tiny Garden instead of remaining "in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground", for starts.

I'd also ask why a God would "Come, let us go down and confuse their language there, so that they will not understand one another’s speech", just because they have "learnt to make bricks" to "build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens", and then say nothing when people are now building rockets to Mars!

And that bit about Only begotten Son. Surely we'd have benefitted more if he'd not been crucified and taught more instead!

But unfortunately, this thread is not about such things but about questioning some God no one has ever seen, which is rather a bit of a pity.

You are very welcome, GayUncle. Though forgive me for being tentative since anyone can claim to be someone else, especially a deactivated account.

Oh! Why did your thread disappear?

wirinet:
Unbelievable. I had thought your only compulsive obsession was Donald Trump first, the MAGA wing of the Republican Party and finally right wing media. That you could come back to mother land and focus on our own problems is quite impressive.

This post summarises all that's wrong with Nigeria. Its the people themselves and not necessarily our leaders, very it political, religious or traditional rules. Afterall leaders are gotten from the people and they represent the character and aspirations of the people. Any religious leader that promotes real values like honesty, selflessness and integrity would quickly become unpopular. Those that promote vain primordial values of greed, selfishness and even narcissism become popular and is quickly pushed up the leadership ladder.

What we need at this critical junction is a moral reset, a moral revolution. We need to stop promoting and celebrating unmerited wealth. We need to start rejecting criminals rather than rewarding them with awards, positions and fame. We need to go back to the days when a good name is better than gold.

Ono surprised me to the point that I'm going to have to show some respect until he gives me cause not to.

TenQ:
Is the Highlight in RED not a wonderful contradiction!?

But back to this. You must try hard I guess to understand, and that includes you acquiring knowledge.

Everything Jesus is written to have taught is immensely powerful knowledge once understood instead of merely believed. I can stand here turning the other cheek and let you slap me till you tire, for instance, and I'm claiming there's immense power in my doing so if you use your brain. But if I detect you don't use your brain, "peace unto you' as I dust myself off and leave your presence, is an option too.

Note how far we've come without actually insulting and needlessly being rude to one another and you might get my point. If we were stupid and could not discuss without the insults we'd not have gotten this far. Just watch my responses to the rude guy and see how they differ to my responses to you and you might see what I mean.

TenQ:
Is the Highlight in RED not a wonderful contradiction!?

No, TenQ, it's not a contradiction, though I'm not averse to contradictions myself. After all it must be a contradiction that atheist me is quoting Bible.

TenQ:
Yellow Highlight 1:
What is TAXONOMY?
Have you heard of Dalton's Atomic theory? How modern is his theory? Does it mean that Dalton is not scientific?
I hardly can recall the common names of 200 animals: Adam named probably 7000 species of animals: his IQ must be about 700. LOL!

I never claimed taxonomy is not science, TenQ. Just that using ones senses to investigate trumps just naming things.

One can name electricity for instance, but naming it does not mean one knows the science of making electricity.

TenQ:
Yellow Highlight 2:
If God created man for His own purpose should He not have His rights over them?

Yuk! What are you? Don't you wonder why God created you with a mind instead of you being some God's useless tool?

Thankfully, you said "if", so God might not have created man. But assuming God did create man, why choose to accept the purpose of "put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it", when you can be "in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground"?

Would you not rather be the boss than the slave, TenQ?

Sixfiguresmart:
Surely you will die if you don't repent. Are you scared already?

Did Mohammed WRITE a book? Hahaha Mr. Knowledge calling others ignorant.

I will die one day, repent or not, since no one lives forever, so why would I be scared? And Mohammed is the one who wrote the Qur'an, or at least is the one they claim wrote it, and not Allah as you seem to think.

ono:
Why are you fond of posting pictures with disjointed information and very often(99.9999%of the time), from unreliable sources?

Sometimes I want to, kind of, focus on your stuff, but they’re always empty!

I'd say the exact same about you, Ono. I did like your Singer post though.

Sixfiguresmart:
Mr. Atheist, hahahaha you are a clown to humanity. You should live in the circus. That is where you belong.
Allah said that you, the atheist is an unbeliever and he is targeting your anus.

Poor you. No Allah said anything about me. At best, Mohammed wrote a book and claimed "Allah said", but only idiots and fools like you believe such nonsense just as you believe some God said you would "surely die" if you ate of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil, so why should I be surprised at your ignorance?

TenQ:
Unfortunately for you, well before Eve ate of the fruit, Adam was doing science!
Well before Eve was created from Adam, Adam was versed in knowledge

Gen 2:19-20:
"And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them: and whatever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him."



If the words of Christ meant anything to you, you wouldn't be an atheist: you would be a "little Christ "!

If you believed one tenth what you preach about Christ, the fruit would have been evident!

Adam just named things TenQ, and that is very clearly not science. Looking at things and giving them names is just calling things whatever one wants, and is not the same as the science of testing if what one believes is true!

And Eve being made out of Adam is clearly after "God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them", so I can't see why God would be making a separate female Eve out of some dumb mud Adam unless God needs slaves!

No, I do not believe a single thing about Christ. I test everything myself to know if it is true instead of merely believing without testing because that testing is what knowledge is as opposed to ignorantly believing whatever one is told without checking if it is true or not.

That's why I can quote everything I have quoted in this thread with the confidence with which I have quoted it. It's because there is immense power in the knowledge of the teachings of Jesus Christ which you mere believers have not tested so you may know and have those powers, and why you hate your Muslim neighbour's so much too such that you must twist your beliefs and adopt ignorance to justify your hatred of them as opposed to love your neighbour as Christ taught.

PoliteActivist:
I'm done. I don't want you to keep thinking I'm intentionally being condescending when infact I'm simply expressing my honest disappointment.

The point of the video is that YOU CAN'T TRUST YOUR SENSES! A hypnotist can have you feeling hot when it is actually freezing weather. Then there are uncountable optical illusions.
Anyway I'm done. The discussion is a bit too childish for me, with all due respect.
Have a good one.

Oh. Is that why you've been attempting to make me believe the dream world you asked me to suppose is real because "A hypnotist can have you feeling hot when it is actually freezing weather"? Can they also convince you you are a descendant of Adam I wonder instead of being created in God's image?

I happen to think this discussion is way far above your head to be honest. My argument is that I very well can trust my own senses because I do not believe things that I suppose, unlike you who can not trust your senses and believe what you suppose.

In fact, the mere fact that I suppose is sufficient evidence for me to know I am making up crap, so why the hell would I make crap up and then begin to doubt the senses with which I made the crap up with and then go providing myself with more made up crap videos to convince myself that the crap I made up and supposed is real!?

Thankfully, most people don't suppose and make up crap to believe, and despite your numerous assertions, can easily determine for themselves who is the childish one between the two of us as you too are likely to discover once you wake up from the crappy dream world you suppose is real and step back into the actual real world.

As to your condescending and insults, they are merely dreams you suppose have any effect whatsoever on me, when they are in fact a reflection of your very self, though I don't suppose you'd notice.

MatrixReloaded:
most of all dose niggas born their from Nigeria parents got this sick attitude, look at him want to seduce Whites with his big gbola. Those guys over their think like pigs.

I think you are the pig with sick attitude. Just see how you assume he was born abroad and then tarnish everyone else with the act of one!

I bet you'd also claim all Nigerians are ignorant like you just because you are an ignorant Nigerian, but thankfully most of us Nigerians have brains and use them so we are not like you.

I can't help feel this thread has become redundant.

Never did I think a single person could be the rally pont for what is seeming like large swathes of Nigerians from every tribe and state and religion and gender and ethnicity, and now I can't help feel like John crying out that “This is the one I spoke about when I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’” Except that in all honesty, I never spoke about any one in particular though I am most definitely surpassed.

The labour is only just beginning however, and there's much more work to be done. So let me say, you are all strengthened. And Nigeria go better in our lifetime because we shall indeed make it better.

PoliteActivist:
Bros, seriously, you've been in this forum too long to be talking like this. I'm truly disappointed, with all due respect (there again )

I never presented cogito ergo sum as evidence of anything. I simply used it as a marker. I told you that your type of reasoning was done long, long, ago - long b4 Descartes. They are no longer part of Philosophy discussions - things like "I can feel pain when I hit a table, therefore there must be a table there"! You actually said that! No serious person talks like that anymore.

And now you are talking about ascertaining with your senses. If I didn't know better I'd think I'm discussing with a child. What can you ascertaining with your senses in this video below??

https://youtu.be/8m0.BHrKpohA

Are you for real? Are you suggesting you can not ascertain with your own senses that there must be some hidden trick behind magic?

Dude, its a video! Made by people smart enough to make you think what you are looking at is real, and same as matrix is a video.

But I know your type. And you are not the first to insist what you suppose is real and attempt to hide your ignorance with patronising insults.

budaatum:
When I was like really young, these mates of mine who grew up in Obanikoro Village told me rats talk. Well, even at barely 7, I was atheistic in nature, so I argued that rats don't talk. Now there were like 5 of them, so they ganged up on me calling me all sorts of names and that I know nothing, "rats talk jo!".

One day, about two years later, we were in the home of one of them and NTA was showing Tom and Jerry. "There," they said, pointing to the telly. "I thought you said rats don't talk?"

Turns out oyinbo rats do talk, silly me!

TenQ:
So to you,
knowledge of Good and Evil is exactly the same as knowledge of Science and technology?

As far as I know, Adam was the first to do taxonomy even without eating of the forbidden fruit!

First. If you as far as you know, Adam was the first to do taxonomy, you might easily see that Eve was the first person to do science by using her senses to check what she'd been told instead of just ignorantly believing it.

Second. Knowledge of Good and Evil is indeed the knowledge of everything, TenQ, and only those intending to enslave one would deprive one of it least one be free to use one's senses like them. It is a fact that is glaringly obvious that those who eat the fruits of knowledge would be the lords of those who don't.

I know this is all impossible for you to consider because it sounds like I am telling you to worship a serpent, especially after centurys of you believing what you've been told instead of what you can see and read with your own eyes. This is why Jesus was very focused on opening eyes so you may use your own senses to check so you may know instead of making or allowing crap to be made up in your head for you to believe.

Fact is, Adam and Eve did not die when they ate the fruit they'd been told not to eat. And I bet if I told you you would surely die if you did something, and then you do that thing and do not die, you will certainly call me a liar. The question then becomes, who lied. Is it God, or is it those who wrote the book? Or would you want to claim evil doers are not capable of twisting things to their advantage despite claiming that is what I am doing?

God can not possibly be a slave owner. And a God who created humans in its own image to be fruitful and rule and subdue the earth would not demote said humans to slaves in a tiny garden. And sensible humans demoted in such a way would most certainly rebel unless they like being slaves.

Do know that belief is not the same as knowledge. And if you believe anything I have said in this thread then I have failed. Please first become as a child as Christ adviced, by which he meant abandon what you've been told to believe, and then go read the wonderful story of Adam and Eve as written in Genesis 1-5, and you might find that God is not asking you to be an ignorant slave but to be the God that God created you to be before some sneaky evil buggers demoted you to gardeners in their tiny garden and who can not say "Let there be light" without crying NEPA!

delzbaba:
You people are so senseless, so we should leave a country we fought with sweat and blood to create and go for an uncertain nation with one demi god as its ruler and end up like south sudan right?

The irony is we will then be fighting each other for supremacy worst than we currently are since those other small countries will be on our borders, while being led by those whose only intent is looting and plunder.

PoliteActivist:
This is the result of half knowledge. It is debunked even further away from your postulate. It is not "I am, therefore I think"! RIDICULOUS!. It is "i think doesn't prove I exist, it only proves that thinking exists". That's how it was debunked. Stop dabbling into what you don't know!

So, you accept it has been debunked, yet you present it as some sort of evidence regardless? Can not existing you think or even dream, I wonder.

Fact is, no amount of supposing crap in your head makes it true, so I don't quite get why you'd be here arguing that what you suppose is the reality, as opposed to what you can ascertain with your very own senses. And your insults are just evidence of you protesting a bit too much.

PoliteActivist:
Please stop being ridiculous and infantile, all due respect (there it is again ).
These are basic things settled long, long time ago. Long before Descartes declared "I think, therefore I am"

What amuses me is you not recognising that you are the one being "ridiculous and infantile", and that it is my respect and regard for my fellow human being that stops me saying so.

Descartes' "I think, therefore I am", has been debunked a long time ago, you'd find if you wake up and stop dreaming. The actually proper thought now is "I am, therefore I think". For if I am not, there would be no me thinking, except perhaps in your world that is a simulation and a dream where your thinking is done for you.

PoliteActivist:
I think you finally get it. A simulation or dream remains indistinguishable to the person in it. It is entirely possible that reality does NOT exist the way we perceive it. That seems obvious. Don't know how you are having problem with it.
As for due respect, well I can't very well come out and say your reasoning is childish without softening it a bit!

Sorry, but I do not get you finally! I am very well able to determine that I am not in a simulation or a dream, and my senses work well enough for me to distinguished and perceive reality.

Perhaps if you do the work to make your senses work as well as I have, you'd be able to distinguish simulations and dreams from reality too.

TenQ:
We are saying exactly the same thing: your advocacy is inline with Islam!

Just like satan said:
"You shall not surely DIE...!"
"...you will become gods (as God doesn't want competition)....!!
"you'll know everything to become independent of God!!!"

Do you know that to poison rodents doesn't take a lot of poison. It takes 99.9% delicious inviting food and 0.01% Poison.

I guess you do not understand that you are gods since you were created in God's image, so it's easy for you to accept you are Adam and Eve created from mud and enslaved in a Garden and unable to rule or subdue or be fruitful.

Take time to consider those who brought you this same Bible. They too were descendants of Adam and Eve until they acquired knowledge and learnt to be fruitful and rule over and subdue the earth. They are currently on the way to rule over and subdue the moon and Mars, while we refuse to eat the fruits of knowledge that would teach us to say "let there be light", and there is light.

It's a time thing, thankfully. We will abandon our childish ways one day and stop fearing death.